for a derringer double barrel i'm thinking of a 357 mag.

then i'd be running 38 spl to better handle recoil.

what about a 380 or 9 mm, or even a 45 acp?

i guess they'd all work ok.

but which one?

Max .38 Special/9mm would likely be wise.

High Standard in 22 or 22 mag. They’re small and flat enough to actually be less cumbersome than an extra Jframe. No hammer to have to cock. And a generally decent enough DA trigger pull that you can actually hit something with one.

There was a copy of the HS with a steel frame chambered for centerfire cartridges. I can’t think of the name of the company but I do remember they were nice but also expensive.

Realistically you’re going to be money ahead and better equipped with an LCP. They aren’t much if any bigger and hold 3X the ammo.

None of the above. Derringers might have been practical 30 years ago when a Walther PPK/s was considered a small, light gun, but for the cost and weight of a derringer like a Bond Arms, you're better off with an LCP, G42 or any of the small 9mms.

Agreed.

I would agree also. In this day and age, when you can get a reliable, shootable 10+1 9mm that fits in the palm of your hand (think Sig 365/SA Hellcat etc) it's hard to make a case for the relevance of a 2 shots-then-throw-it, hard to hit with derringer.

The size of a Derringer that is in a cartridge of relative effectiveness is fairly close to the size of some smaller revolvers and semi autos that would likely be considerably more useful in a fight.

Think about this, If you are down to your backup, you really are in a bad way and absolutely need a handgun that is going to work 100% of the time, firing a cartridge that is going to put an end to the trouble you are in, versus a feel good talisman, which is what most derringers and mini revolvers really are.

Do you really want to be in a gunfight with a NAA single action mini revolver, with its 1" barrel and non existent sights, against an opponent who is armed appropriately? Why choose to deliberately handicap yourself? Gunfights happen fast. They are ugly, and you need every advantage you can get. Choosing a derringer is not unlike choosing to load blanks in your gun while the other guy holds all the advantage. Screw that.

Yep, guns can be uncomfortable to carry. Beats being dead or crippled for life. I have a former co-worker who is now in a wheelchair because he let his guard down. Others who are dead.

A 5 shot J Frame, Glock 42/43 is about as small as I would go as a BUG, and not as a primary. The question I always ask people is "what is the smallest gun you are willing to get into a gunfight with 1 or 2 people with?". Don't go smaller than that.

That may not be the answer you wanted to hear, but it is what it is..

If your set on getting one, get a 44 special.

My 19 oz Charter Arms Bulldog .44 is hard enough to handle. No way I'd want a derringer in that caliber.

My mim carry is a 5 shot 44 special with 200 gr hollow points. and I would aim for a center chest hold . if I have to shoot some one I want them dead as fast as possible.. If you can't do that then learn to run very fast..

If I was going to fool with a two-shooter I'd opt for a 45 Colt/410 Bond Arms.

I've owned derringers in 38 Spec., 22 LR and 32 ACP. One was a Texas Derringer, which was a very quality gun that nobody would be ashamed to own. It recoiled fairly heavily even in 38 Spec. Not something that I would want to shoot for fun and I'm fairly tolerant of recoil. The other two were Davis derringers, IIRC. They were not nearly as quality but were recognized as okay for the last ditch guns that they were. They came out with one that may have been a larger framed gun, and it was 38 Spec. The problem with the Texas Derringer, was already related. Just too big when you could probably have a Colt Officer's model in 45 ACP (back in the early nineties) or a J frame Chief's Special and not take up much more space on your person. Much better guns for either an initial fight or even backup. The Davis derringers were smaller and would've taken less space. Probably more viable for something smaller than the aforementioned guns. Not as good of a gun though. All of these were Remington type tip-up two shots. This said since "derringer" can mean different types of guns. These days I would not recommend any of them nor would I recommend an NAA type tiny revolver.

My smallest gun is a P938 SIG. That's as small as I want to go. It's a 9mm and a serious fighting gun. IIRC, it's 7 shots so it's not a hi-cap. I like it much better than any Kel-Tec I've ever owned, though the Kel-Tec may be a bit smaller. Kel-Tec was not reliable for me. I also have a Smith and Wesson M&P Compact in the same caliber. It's a high capacity and the current iteration holds 13 round mags. It is only nominally bigger than the 938, but there IS a difference. When I bought the SIG, I laid a bunch of different pistols out on the counter and the Kel-Tec was the only one smaller in 9mm, than the 938 that I can recall. The Kel-Tec was never reliable for me and was a wicked kicker. The SIG has always been reliable with everything and doesn't recoil badly. The Smith is even better but is bigger. The Smith and Wesson Shield is essentially a slimline M&P Compact that only holds 8 rds. It is a bit smaller but to me, the slight gain in compactness is not worth the loss of rounds between the two. The SIG gains enough in compactness that it is worth the loss in firepower...to me.

If I were to go this way right now, I'd give the SIG P365 a hard look. It is only a bit bigger than the P938 and holds more rounds. IIRC it is smaller than the Smith M&P Compact. Smith also offers their M&P's in .40 and .45 ACP if the 9 doesn't float your boat. They also offer the Shield in a version which touts EZ slide racking for the elderly and infirm. I think they also offer it in 380.

Multiple assailants today are common. Ruger LC9 with an extra mag is advisable.

Nice hole.

That thing is beautiful!

Those little pocket-sized 1911 style Sigs are cool. I've got the .380 ACP variant (the P238), which pretty much looks like that one, but a little smaller in all dimensions. I've never had a jam with it.

Get a Ruger LCP, Beretta Pico or a Sig 238.

The first time I saw one of those P938s was about 8-9 years ago now. I was teaching a civilian class, which I had swore off doing but my buddy John Shaw was double book with a military outfit coming in and needed help so I agreed to (John has always been such a good dude, it is hard to say no when he needs a favor).

Anyways, one of the students had one of these micro 9s, and I did not expect much, as most of the time, folks with mini guns don't shoot them well, and they don't run well. That was not the case with the 938 or the guy. The thing ran like a sewing machine and was quite obviously accurate, based on the guy's target. He was punching little fist sized clusters with it.

Impressive little thing.

That's what a good hollowpoint can do...

The first time I saw one of those P938s was about 8-9 years ago now. I was teaching a civilian class, which I had swore off doing but my buddy John Shaw was double book with a military outfit coming in and needed help so I agreed to (John has always been such a good dude, it is hard to say no when he needs a favor).

Anyways, one of the students had one of these micro 9s, and I did not expect much, as most of the time, folks with mini guns don't shoot them well, and they don't run well. That was not the case with the 938 or the guy. The thing ran like a sewing machine and was quite obviously accurate, based on the guy's target. He was punching little fist sized clusters with it.

Impressive little thing.

I used derringers for carry for a while--38 sp--but now I'm either carrying my Glock43X or my Kimber micro and I feel I'm more secure plus those pistols don't feel any bulkier than the derringer

Ya only got two shots.......make the most of them! Go 45 Long Colt! memtb

I'd not pack a one- or two-shot gun and feel prepared for much. Like others have said, with the available micro semi-autos available now in 9mm, there's no reason to handicap your backup.

thanks for the insights. i'll have to re-think. that's what i've always liked about this site. different folks with different views and lot's of experience.
maybe carry two ruger lcp's. not a reason not to do so that i can identify.

the idea of a derringer stuck into the top of a thick sock just seemed appealing somehow. i've never been in a gunfight. and have only been shot once.

Getting shot.....
Takes a lot of the fight out of ya! 😁 memtb

Nope. I bought a Pug a long time ago but never viewed it as more than a novelty or a third or fourth gun. I joke about it being a bathing suit or hot tub gun after leaving ammo in a glass of water for 3 days and finding out that they all still fired.



Yep.



Agree.

I have never had so much as a bobble with mine and it doesn't recoil badly. To me it's a serious fighting handgun in a backup package. It only lacks firepower.

My wife loves her 938! memtb

sometimes its hard to hide a consealed carry pistol in the summer ,thats when i carry a Bonds Arm derringer 410 3 inch with buckshot.

The old COP .357 4 barreled derringer was semi-popular back in the 1970s. Good thing about that one is after you've finished the 4 shots, it made a terrific projectile when thrown!

Now that you mention it, I remember my father bringing one of those home and showing it to my brothers and I. I agree that it would likely be effective if thrown.

There are plenty of better guns out there that are just as easy to conceal.

This. A TX Defender weighs about 3 pounds to boot.
Had one come through when I worked at the gun shop. Pretty neat and like you say heavy. I even shot it a little and couldn’t hit much past bad breath distance with the mile long trigger pull. It brought a bunch of money when we put it on auction though.

I'm breaking some of the cardinal rules of the BUG. I carry a SIG P-220. My BUG is a Bond Arms 45Colt. I really should shoot a 45 ACP. If I need a BUG after 19 rounds of 45 ACP it might be too late. Be Well, RZ.

A four barreled .357 COP derringer to shoot .38 Special through. When you run out of ammo it can be used as a skull crusher.

I picked 45 ACP.

Yeah, but Pete's got style and that Bond 410 will "leave a mark".

Good, 44 or 45 at spitting distance in my opinion is the way to go. Think of it as a Liberator 😂

But it's a lousy epitaph.

Seriously???????????

Have you ever shot a derringer in 357?

Or even a lightweight J-frame in 357 (S&W 340PD) ?

'Cause if you did, you'd likely scratch that option...............

MM

This. The recoil would simply be unmanageable.

Recoil is not unmanageable, but is unpleasant.

i was thinking of running 38 special through the 357. but now i've got the .410 shotgun plus shifting toward a compact 380 or nine. lot's of choices for sure.

The derringers dont make much sense now days with all the other small CCW guns out there. Especially Bond Arms. They are like bricks. They look fun to play with but not very practical for small CCW with only 2 rounds

A 45/410 might be handy in snake country.

Governor.

Lots of 380's are just as big as small 9mm's. I see no point in one. I had an NAA 380 and it didn't work well. There are good 380's out there, but you might as well have a 9.

The 410 shotshell kicks mercilessly in a derringer. It will rock you pretty good in a Governor.