His words, not mine.

That boy is a slow study, It's been obsolete since the 23 was introduced.

I think the assertion that the G19 is obsolete hinges on the availability of those Shield Arms 15 round magazines. And from what I understand those S15 magazines are a little hard to come by.

Obsolete is one of those words that means something different to everyone. He's using it as a synonym for "less efficiently packaged" and that's at the very least quite a stretch.

So if Shield Arms made a 20 round mag for the G19 it'd be back in good graces?

It’s one of the most produced and used handguns in the world, so no. Another narcissistic YouTuber that has an opinion on the smallest end of the facts.

One has to wonder how much these youtube videos affect sales.

The 23 comment was in jest. If a fella has a carry gun of any variety that he can shoot well and run on autopilot, why fix something that works? I don't even like Glocks, yet my most carried & shot pistol is an old Gen 2 G22 with carefully zeroed night sights, just the way I like them- bright in front and dim in back. Yeah there's newer, neater 40s out there, with better grips, triggers and a round or two more capacity.

I don't care. I'm used to this one.

G19 isn’t going anywhere, but would like to see Shield offer a mag upgrade as they’ve done for 43x/48.

FWIW, S15 mags are only 1 week backorder, easy to get.

Saw it yesterday. Left my comments on his ridiculous proposition under the video.

He's getting a lot of grief for it in the comments.

Smaller, thinner, lighter....can't really argue with those facts.

Easier to shoot????……..I'm not so sure I'm buying that.


Either way, it's always a good show when someone gores a sacred cow.....grin.

Great! Now let the price fall back to $300 and I'll buy another.

If G19s are obsolete , pack those pieces of schitt up and send them to me, I'll pay shipping...

I don't think a Glock 19 is obsolete. But the price of a Glock 19 is obsolete.

Interesting.

Psa dagr 9...wait it used to be $299.00 then Covid/biden and ammo companies slowed production so we're all screwed. Not a rocket surgeon but if we had ammo for ww2 Korea Vietnam the gulf wars war on terror and now very little? Somebody's lying to us.

Tons of brand new Glock 19Gen5s in my area for sale

Online, too. Prolly cheaper.

I have both a G-19 with Glock 15-rd. magazines and a G-43X with 15-rd. Shield magazines. They both function 100% and both hold 16 rounds. The 43x is noticeably easier to carry than the 19, although the 19 is by no means a problem to wear.

The 19, for me at least, is MUCH easier to shoot accurately in rapid fire drills. I would much rather have the 19 in my hand if trouble rolled around than the 43X. But I like them both.

Good to know because I've been on the notify list for months and nuttin. Ordered some on backorder and we'll see what happens.

So far neither of the 43x's the wife and I have are near as controllable as the plethora of 19s and a good bit behind my 26 which is easily as accurate as any of the 19's or 17's. That hump hits my palm in a great spot.

Hell I'd like Shield to make a 19x capacity mag on the size of a 12 round 26 mag.

I suspect that a Shield-type upgrade for the G-19 might not be a simple proposition at all, because the G-19 magazine is already a true double-stack magazine. The Shield upgrade for the G-43x is simply a steel magazine with enough internal room to hold a double stack of cartridges, as opposed to the factory 43x magazine, which holds a stack that is only slightly staggered and is not much more than a single stack magazine.

If Shield, or anyone else, made a steel magazine for the G-19, G-17, etc., the internal volume would be such that you would be making a 2 1/2 or maybe even a triple stack magazine. I would expect that perfect function would be difficult to achieve.

So the meme seems to be...buy a compact gun for concealed carry, hang a bunch of tactical junk all over it so it's too big to carry...complain that it's obsolete because of size.

JL
I believe ordering is key, their fulfillment prioritizes orders over a notify list. Good luck !

During the high cap ban I bought a steel 15 round mag for the G19.

Piece
of
Chit!

Pretty consistent jams.
Smashed it flat and sent it to the dump.

10 rounds, available on the trigger, beat 15 stored in the butt
of a jammed up gun.

I don't know how they affect sales, but marketing companies sure do see the benefit of having YouTubers shill their clients' products to their audience. MAC just makes his shilling super obvious. And yes, the word "obsolete" basically means nothing at this point. Have a look at this graph by Leviathan media group:

And that’s the whole point...get attention with his assertions...it’s how he makes money. It’s no different than the days of gun writers stimulating newsstand sales to the perpetual beat beat of “.45 vs 9mm!!!!!” “THE 16 GAUGE IS OBSOLETE!!!!!!!” “REVOLVER vs AUTOMATIC!!!!!” “THE 16 GAUGE- PERFECT ALL-AROUND SHOTGUN!!!!!!” “.38 vs 9mm!!!” “THE .38 SPECIAL IS OBSOLETE!!!!” “THE .38 SOECIAL IS STILL THE IDEAL REVOLVER CARTRIDGE!!!”

Can you hear the churning?

I have a few Glocks, from “no Gen” to Gen 5. No Glock is obsolete and the truth still holds that the guy working on wearing out his Glock or any other pistol of any generation is more likely to prevail when it counts than is the guy who obsesses over magazine capacity and other minutiae.

I know that at least one pair of YouTube reviewers was outted for selling favorable reviews. They charged companies $1500-$2500 per review.

Well said.

I would not replace my G26 with either G19 or G48. I can see how civilian would pick G48 for daily carry with factory magazine over G19. There is no question the G48 it is easier to carry all day gun. Glock brought out the G48 in anticipation of 10 cartridge magazine requirement. I think of G48 as obese persons with small hands CWW gun.

Obsolete? No sir!

The G48 replaced the G19 for me. I love the gun and I am not a fat guy with small hands.

Obviously it has become obsolete for Mac, but for the people who have been there and done that it obviously hasn't.

As soon as all black versions of the 43X hit the market, I bought one. I was enthusiastic, and planned on also ordering some of those 15 round magazines for it. It seemed ideal. Took it to the range, and it cut the heck out of the top of the web of my hand with slide bite. Took it to the rage a few more times, and had the same thing happen, regardless of how I adjusted my grip. I sold it. That never happened with any previous model of Glock that I've shot, not even with my 42 or standard 43. Inexplicable, but it happened. Don't know why.

That aside, I actually preferred the feel of the 19, and have no trouble carrying it concealed daily, so my attraction to the 43X was more novelty-driven than anything else.

Glock 19 is about as obsolete as the .30-06.

Yeah, I was kind of thinking that myself.

All the extra trash kind of defeats the purpose of going smaller for the carry piece. I have a light on the bedside/house pistol, not on my daily carry.

My everyday carry, lately, is the G19, with tritium sights, and a Hogue grip sleeve. It's a nice clean package that conceals easily, carries easily, shoots easily, has good ammo capacity with standard-length issue magazines.

Right. The 19 is right in that Goldilocks zone.

Mac "jumped the shark" on that video.

Don't tell Glockdufus.. LOL

Yep.

Obsolete has a meaning, and G19 doesn't fit it.

Since I've switched to the M&P 2.0, however, the 4" compact has made the G19 irrelevant to me.

😜

One thing that *should* drive down the price of polymer frame handguns is the technology that's appeared since their introduction 40 or so years ago. The high speed, high precision CNC machining centers of today can produce injection molds that are ready to go right out of the machine. Manufacturers are catching on to the fact that there's money to be made by producing and selling high quality polymer framed auto pistols for $300.

I'd bet that the price of manufacturing one is under $100.

As I've mentioned on here, I recently bought a Ruger Security 9 new for $300. It's obvious that it was designed to directly compete with the Glock 19.,..which sells for considerably more. Other manufacturers have came out with quality, low price polymer frame 9mms that closely mimic the size, shape, and weight of the Glock 19.

Taurus introduced a model that was selling in the $200 range before the gun shortage pushed its price up a bit.

I know a lot of people look down their nose at Taurus products. But they've sold a trainload of them and it's hard to find a bad review of them.

Basically, they're a fairly simple thing to produce. Once a manufacturer gets tooled up to produce them they can crank them out like shelling peas.

They're a huge moneymaker,..and the manufacturers who are still selling them in the $500-$600 range are making a killing on them.

But that price range isn't going to last.

^^^^^^^^^^^POTATO

Why people give any credibility to the opinions of that guy are beyond me. The local school crossing guard's opinion has about the same level of value as this internet attention seeking mouth piece.

I did not watch the video, nor will I as he is not worth my time.

Glocks are of an antique design. They have been left behind by improved technology and manufacturing in both arms and ammo.

The real question is why civilians ever bothered with them. Our needs were met with the first DAO J-frame. A better tool for the job is yet to come.

How many years have you been saying that now? Why should Glock lower their price when they can sell all they make at the current price? You're always busting on Glock but never on the other makers like S&W, CZ, etc., who sell at the same general price range.

You forgot to add "sarcasm" to your post.

Thanks CD. Got my notice today that they've shipped. Time to switch out mag catches.

Hey that’s good news, glad I could help !

My G19 became obsolete when I got a S&W M&P Compact 2.

MM

I always go back to Glock.

To each his own, I sold both of my M&P 2.0 Compacts, complete with Apex triggers, when I got my first G19.5, still have it, another one and an MOS version.

Nothing really wrong with the M&P's but I hate aftermarket parts on a carry pistol and couldn't live with the stock triggers.

If the G-19 is Obsolete - What is the 1911?

~ Pre-Historic?

Nothing is obsolete, unless parts support or industry compatibility cease to exist. The vast majority of shooters will themselves become obsolete before any of our current carry guns.

I don't think so.

Exactly. My 19 will stay but it won’t be carried. The 2.0 compact is perfect.

Simply inane clickbait

This is what I meant when I said that the Glock 19s price was obsolete.

Glock 19, $620

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/106729/glock+g19+g5+9mm+15+1+4.0+mos+fs

Ruger Security 9. (with 2 magazines) $347 (I bought one for $299 at Rural King about a year ago) Same weight as a Glock 19. Virtually the same dimensions as a Glock 19. Same magazine capacity as a Glock 19. Trigger is very compatible to a Glock 19. Very good sights. Mine has been flawless through 400 rounds or so,..various hand loaded HPs as well as 115 grain factory FMJs.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product...r+3810+security+9+9mm+15+1+black+polymer

I don't believe someone is any less armed with a Ruger Security 9 than they would be with a Glock 19 and you can buy one for 56% of the price of a Glock 19 and get a spare magazine in the bargain.

All glocks are wrong for me because they do not point where I look, the S&W M&P format easily beats glock in this regard.

Shoot a thousand rounds with one and it will.

M&P shoots where I look from the start.

I shoot Glocks, M&P’s, 1911’s and revolvers, they all point where you aim. It’s not the gun…

If you say so, but like many others, Glock grips feel square clumsy and don't point where I look.

I was in that club, myself, till I decided to buy a Glock and wring the heck out of it for a few weeks at the range. Next thing I knew, it pointed as naturally as my 1911 or Browning High Power. Been that way for me ever since.

LOL

You don't agree?

I have owned 6 Glocks of various models from 9MM to .45 ACP, hoping to find one that worked for me. Sold or traded 5 away, and gave the G-27 to friend of mine who loves Glocks.

Plastic...give me the Sig 320.

Just because a gun is ""old"" or has been around for a while, doesn't necessarily mean it's outdated or less efficient.
I've owned a few Glocks myself, but I'm more of a Sig guy myself. I just love the feel of those 320s. But to each their own, right?
If you're in the market for something new, have you checked out the BERGARA BXR .22LR SEMI-AUTO? It's a great gun for hunting and I think it's even possible to use it for self-protection.
If you want to see it for yourself, you can check it out at walkeroutdoors dot net. It's one of my favorite guns.
Take care!

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