Well, maybe not completely. It's not going up for sale any time soon. After all, the Shield Plus cannot accept all double stack Glock 9mm mags from 10 rounds up to 33, but apart from that, it's got my Glock 26 (Gen 5) beat as my secondary carry choice. My primary carry choice is still my Glock 19, Gen 5, but my 26 has been my secondary choice for a while now. It's been replaced by the Shield Plus, however, which does everything the 26 did (apart from the magazine thing), but in a sleeker and more compact (and more concealable) package. Might even be more shootable.
This is rough, because I had a lot of affection for the 26.
I want to check the Shield Plus out soon, have heard people are liking them (like you have said). Would have already if there were normal gun shows like there used to be. I had an original Shield in .40 for a minute, it failed miserably at my "it must be 100% reliable" 1st trip to the range. 4 malfunctions within the first 50 rounds using high quality factory ammo. Sold it immediately. I am harsh like that when it comes to my EDC gun. I carry a Sig 365 in an uber thin IWB suede-like clip holster that was originally made for a Colt Pony. I have never warmed to the Glock 26/27, but I am a smaller person and it just felt chunky and hard to aim (never programmed myself to the grip angle of a Glock). I carried a H&K USPc for 16 years and it was 100%, but was even more chunkier than the Glock. Their new P30sk suffers the same "fat kid" syndrome as the g26, but I shoot it well.
I have a standing agreement with the wife that if H&K ever makes a single or 1.5 stack carry pistol again I am buying the 1st one I can get my hands on no matter the cost.
Your thoughts on magazine compatibility with the Glock are well thought out.
I want to check the Shield Plus out soon, have heard people are liking them (like you have said). Would have already if there were normal gun shows like there used to be. I had an original Shield in .40 for a minute, it failed miserably at my "it must be 100% reliable" 1st trip to the range. 4 malfunctions within the first 50 rounds using high quality factory ammo. Sold it immediately. I am harsh like that when it comes to my EDC gun. I carry a Sig 365 in an uber thin IWB suede-like clip holster that was originally made for a Colt Pony. I have never warmed to the Glock 26/27, but I am a smaller person and it just felt chunky and hard to aim (never programmed myself to the grip angle of a Glock). I carried a H&K USPc for 16 years and it was 100%, but was even more chunkier than the Glock. Their new P30sk suffers the same "fat kid" syndrome as the g26, but I shoot it well.
I have a standing agreement with the wife that if H&K ever makes a single or 1.5 stack carry pistol again I am buying the 1st one I can get my hands on no matter the cost.
Your thoughts on magazine compatibility with the Glock are well thought out.
Yeah, the great thing about the 26 being my secondary carry choice and the 19 being my primary choice was that I only needed one spare mag to ride in the car's glove compartment, i.e., a Glock 17 magazine, which worked in both the 19 and 26. Now I have to have one of each in the glove box, which, when you think about it, is no huge deal, and you're not likely to accidentally reach for the 17 round Glock 17 mag when you intended to reach for the 13 round Shield Plus mag. They are very different in appearance and feel.
The new Shields seem to be selling like hotcakes. It is a big disadvantage that they don't take the original M&P mags...evidently. I don't have one, but that's the info I've got.
The new Shields seem to be selling like hotcakes. It is a big disadvantage that they don't take the original M&P mags...evidently. I don't have one, but that's the info I've got.
No, they cannot take those mags, because those mags are way too wide to fit. It seems to defy the laws of physics, but somehow they do a 1.5 stack rather than a single stack, and almost fit it into the same exact frame as the original Shield.
I am really liking my plus. When you compare it to my Gen 1 you can hardly tell which is which. I also feel that I hit the jackpot when I got mine because it came with 1-10 round and 3-13 round magazines.
Well, maybe not completely. It's not going up for sale any time soon. After all, the Shield Plus cannot accept all double stack Glock 9mm mags from 10 rounds up to 33, but apart from that, it's got my Glock 26 (Gen 5) beat as my secondary carry choice. My primary carry choice is still my Glock 19, Gen 5, but my 26 has been my secondary choice for a while now. It's been replaced by the Shield Plus, however, which does everything the 26 did (apart from the magazine thing), but in a sleeker and more compact (and more concealable) package. Might even be more shootable.
This is rough, because I had a lot of affection for the 26.
Have you shot it enough yet to know how reliable it is?
How does this compare in size to the original M&P 9c?
The price is not bad if the gun comes with couple magazines. Nothing about the gun excites me, but if one has M&P 9mm double-stack subcompact what is shown weights almost 5oz less which is significant. If I was to get rid of Glock I would rather have Walther PPQ SC.
The price is not bad if the gun comes with couple magazines. Nothing about the gun excites me, but if one has M&P 9mm double-stack subcompact what is shown weights almost 5oz less which is significant. If I was to get rid of Glock I would rather have Walther PPQ SC.
The Walther is not real popular. Some like them. The significance here is, the S&W is probably the #2 plastic gun behind the Glock...so people are buying them and like them already. This is a big improvement over previous models for people who already like S&W's.
The regular model comes standard with two mags and the night-sighted model comes with three. This info courtesy TRH.
Almost find this new crop of slim pistols a bit "too" slim for my hands and grip. Im a fat guy but i still need something to be able to fit my hand and not get lost in a fat roll. Theres little doubt for the vast majority of people it will fit hands and profile very well but for some the doublestack pistols of older design still work.
Almost find this new crop of slim pistols a bit "too" slim for my hands and grip. Im a fat guy but i still need something to be able to fit my hand and not get lost in a fat roll. Theres little doubt for the vast majority of people it will fit hands and profile very well but for some the doublestack pistols of older design still work.
The Plus adds just a tad bit of width to the Shield grip, so some like you find it an improvement.
Almost find this new crop of slim pistols a bit "too" slim for my hands and grip. Im a fat guy but i still need something to be able to fit my hand and not get lost in a fat roll. Theres little doubt for the vast majority of people it will fit hands and profile very well but for some the doublestack pistols of older design still work.
The Plus adds just a tad bit of width to the Shield grip, so some like you find it an improvement.
Thats interesting. I found the Glock 43 really tiny feeling and the Hellcat feels narrow. I will look into the new Shield plus. Im old school and my small pistol is an 3913 Ladysmith and old Beretta 950 Jetfire. Those feel smallnas well.
Almost find this new crop of slim pistols a bit "too" slim for my hands and grip. Im a fat guy but i still need something to be able to fit my hand and not get lost in a fat roll. Theres little doubt for the vast majority of people it will fit hands and profile very well but for some the doublestack pistols of older design still work.
The Plus adds just a tad bit of width to the Shield grip, so some like you find it an improvement.
If its any consolation I wear extra large gloves and I find the grip comfortable in my hand.
Slim Shield is good for me. I have two of the 1.0s. I also have a MP 2.0 with short 4 inch barrel (i think), and it seems a lot lot bigger and heavier with the double stack mag. Maybe the 13 rounder Shield would fit in the middle as far as comfort. I really never notice the shield 1.0, really comfortable. S&W did a good job with the Shield and MP.
Slim Shield is good for me. I have two of the 1.0s. I also have a MP 2.0 with short 4 inch barrel (i think), and it seems a lot lot bigger and heavier with the double stack mag. Maybe the 13 rounder Shield would fit in the middle as far as comfort. I really never notice the shield 1.0, really comfortable. S&W did a good job with the Shield and MP.
It's more accurate to call the Shield Plus a 10 (+1) round gun. To make it a 13 (+1) round gun you need their extended magazine. It's a nice extended magazine, but it does make the grip longer than does the flush fitting 10 round mag. That's a 10 round flush fitting mag vs the Gen-1 seven round flush fitting mag. The Gen-1 had an optional extended magazine that held 8 rounds. But to compare apples to apples, you need to stick to flush fitting magazines across models, which is 10 vs 7.
When I got one of my Shields, they had a rebate offer that gave more magazines and ammo. Anyway I use the 8 round mag and again it is very comfortable in a OWB holster. Same holster fits the MP2.0 with shot barrel, but that one feels heavy, and I do feel it is there. Maybe if I wore that one all the time I would get used to it, but I always carry the Shield.
Just bought a plus, right out of the box the trigger is half a pound better than the Apex I put in my first gen Shield. I put together some test loads today, anxious to put it on paper.
Just bought a plus, right out of the box the trigger is half a pound better than the Apex I put in my first gen Shield. I put together some test loads today, anxious to put it on paper.
Cool. I just ordered a C-Force IWB holster for it from El Paso Saddlery. That's the holster model I've been using for my Glock 19 (Which also works for my Glock 26, of course).
Keep in mind that Hickok45 is 6' 7" tall, so he's got huge hands, and admits that this causes him difficulty when dealing with very narrow gripped, flat, semi-auto handguns, which problem causes him to have trouble holding steady left/right, i.e., thin/flat gripped semi-autos shift left/right in his hand more vs with thicker gripped guns of the type.
on a side note, has anyone seen any of the 13 round magazines in the stores yet? Last word I heard was they were supposed to be out in stores at the end of April
on a side note, has anyone seen any of the 13 round magazines on in the stores yet? Last word I heard was they were supposed to be out in stores at the end of April
Nope, not even the big ones, like Midway or Brownells.
I carried a Glock 27 FDE for a few years as an undercover gun and off duty gun. Same as the G26 except .40 S&W. I liked this gun a lot (still do). When I retired in 2018, my two brothers bought me a Glock 43 as a present. I've been carrying it about 95% of the time since. A +1 Pearce grip extension on the carry mag, and a Tango down/Vickers +2 on the mag in my pocket. 147 grain HST loaded in both. Easy to conceal and shoots great. I'd have no problem with the M&P if I didn't already have this one.
I carried a Glock 27 FDE for a few years as an undercover gun and off duty gun. Same as the G26 except .40 S&W. I liked this gun a lot (still do). When I retired in 2018, my two brothers bought me a Glock 43 as a present. I've been carrying it about 95% of the time since. A +1 Pearce grip extension on the carry mag, and a Tango down/Vickers +2 on the mag in my pocket. 147 grain HST loaded in both. Easy to conceal and shoots great. I'd have no problem with the M&P if I didn't already have this one.
Ron
I don't see me ever carrying my G27 again after getting the Shield+
The Shield+ makes a 26/27 sized gun (that holds less ammo) seem enormous.
I carried a Glock 27 FDE for a few years as an undercover gun and off duty gun. Same as the G26 except .40 S&W. I liked this gun a lot (still do). When I retired in 2018, my two brothers bought me a Glock 43 as a present. I've been carrying it about 95% of the time since. A +1 Pearce grip extension on the carry mag, and a Tango down/Vickers +2 on the mag in my pocket. 147 grain HST loaded in both. Easy to conceal and shoots great. I'd have no problem with the M&P if I didn't already have this one.
Ron
I don't see me ever carrying my G27 again after getting the Shield+
The Shield+ makes a 26/27 sized gun (that holds less ammo) seem enormous.
Agreed.
PS I just shot it again today. I notice that I can shoot it noticeably better with the 13 round mag than the flush one. When the mags become available, I will definitely be picking up five or six 13 rounders. The two ten round flush mags I have will only serve for when the least potential for printing is of the highest priority.
I carried a Glock 27 FDE for a few years as an undercover gun and off duty gun. Same as the G26 except .40 S&W. I liked this gun a lot (still do). When I retired in 2018, my two brothers bought me a Glock 43 as a present. I've been carrying it about 95% of the time since. A +1 Pearce grip extension on the carry mag, and a Tango down/Vickers +2 on the mag in my pocket. 147 grain HST loaded in both. Easy to conceal and shoots great. I'd have no problem with the M&P if I didn't already have this one.
Ron
I don't see me ever carrying my G27 again after getting the Shield+
The Shield+ makes a 26/27 sized gun (that holds less ammo) seem enormous.
Agreed.
PS I just shot it again today. I notice that I can shoot it noticeably better with the 13 round mag than the flush one. When the mags become available, I will definitely be picking up five or six 13 rounders. The two ten round flush mags I have will only serve for when the least potential for printing is of the highest priority.
I actually was shooting the ten rounder the same as the 13, so I've been carrying it with the ten.
It blows my mind that, at that size, it's effectively the same as my G26.
I shot mine again today and I have come to grips with the fact that I shoot it better than my Sig 365XL which I love. Just want some more 13 round mags
TRH, I have to admit. You have me looking real hard at the Shield plus. There may be one in my future. Small package with that much capacity is very tempting.
I'm just thinking basically the same size as my G43 with more rounds. That's a real plus in my book. With a 13 rounder in your pocket you'd have 25 rounds ready to roll.
The new shield and even single stack is not as nice in hand to ME.......as say a PPS, Hellcat, or P365/XL.
For my hand the Sig fits me best in the small double stack's, but love the Hellcat sight pic.
I am sure the new Shield will run as well as any, they have done a good job with all models, reliable, accurate and decent triggers. Ergo's better for me with the 2.0 compact..........4". I know, not a sub-compact.
Folks probably should just try out a few models and then decide, perhaps rent before buying.