yeah ive got mags of WFN hard cast.....looking for a good tough JHP as well

Oh man, that's a tough one.

Lemme think about it.

You don't have to think too hard............Fed 230 HST's of Remington Golden Sabre Bonded will do just fine. As will a hard cast similar to what Mackay showed.

I hear good thinks about Hornady Critical Duty as well.............not fired one though.

My EDC 1911 is loaded with the Fed HST unless I think I need the somewhat better possible penetration of the HC.

YMMV though, especially since you don't like 1911's

MM

You don't have to think too hard............Fed 230 HST's of Remington Golden Sabre Bonded will do just fine. As will a hard cast similar to what Mackay showed.

I hear good thinks about Hornady Critical Duty as well.............not fired one though.

My EDC 1911 is loaded with the Fed HST unless I think I need the somewhat better possible penetration of the HC.

YMMV though, especially since you don't like 1911's

MM

Got a Glock 21 that stays in my camper looking for a factory +P load
Reality where camp is porcupines or rabid skunks/raccoons but potential of 2 legged trouble grows everyday and black bears and mountains lions are common and a possibility.
Thoughts on Hornady critical defense? Hornady XTP ? Buffalo Bore 185gr Barnes?
I want some expansion but gotta have penetration for the worst case car door or bear skull

Underwood 255gn SWC +P or equivalent handload.

230 gr. XTP+P is good.

Also have some Speer Lawman 230 gr. FMJ/TFP +P.




GR

The 230 gr. XTP +P is a solid choice for a dual duty round.

If you're more likely to encounter the rabid skunk, sleepy weasel or occasional pirate racoon then maybe some 185 +P will do just fine. If you think that black bears are a good possibility then you can't go wrong with the Buffalo Bore hardcasts or equivalent.

But for a dual purpose round the XTP's get my vote, they don't expand much but they penetrate pretty good.

It's up to you. You know better than we do what you're facing up there.

The 230 gr. XTP +P is a solid choice for a dual duty round.

If you're more likely to encounter the rabid skunk, sleepy weasel or occasional pirate racoon then maybe some 185 +P will do just fine. If you think that black bears are a good possibility then you can't go wrong with the Buffalo Bore hardcasts or equivalent.

But for a dual purpose round the XTP's get my vote, they don't expand much but they penetrate pretty good.

It's up to you. You know better than we do what you're facing up there.

I look like the 230 xtp loaded hot for a dual purpose load. The xtps open reliably but not as wide as some other hp bullets. That tends to give them a bit more penetration because they don't over expand. I also carry the 200g xtp most of the time in my 10mms. The 200g 45 xtp is a good one too.

Bb