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Posted By: nmitchell Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/21/19
Title says it all. I installed a 21# mainspring and no joy.
On ftf I can recock hammer and it will usually fire the 2nd time.

Today I took a small plastic mallet and whacked the rear of the slide 2-3 times before pulling the trigger and they all fired this time.

My next thought is to get heavier recoil spring. Is there something else I should be looking at???

Thanks

Neil
Who would have ever expected a Remington pistol not to be reliable.
I also converted this gun from series 80 to series 70.


Neil
Posted By: RJM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/21/19
When the hammer drops and it doesn't go off, have you pulled the round and see it there is a light strike or no strike at all?

...also why did you put in a 21# main spring...stock is 24# I believe...

Bob

Originally Posted by RJM
When the hammer drops and it doesn't go off, have you pulled the round and see it there is a light strike or no strike at all?

...also why did you put in a 21# main spring...stock is 24# I believe...

Bob



Yes, primer has no mark.Not a light strike it is no strike.

I put the 21# spring in because it is heavier than the one I took out.

Neil
Posted By: RJM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/21/19
You said in your post that you "converted" the Series 80 firing pin block fire control to Series 70... Did you just pull out the firing pin block or did you also change out the hammer, sear, firing pin and put the spacer in where the activator was...

...also did you shoot the gun before you "converted" it???
Originally Posted by RJM
You said in your post that you "converted" the Series 80 firing pin block fire control to Series 70... Did you just pull out the firing pin block or did you also change out the hammer, sear, firing pin and put the spacer in where the activator was...

...also did you shoot the gun before you "converted" it???




Pulled the firing pin block and put the spacer in.I did not replace hammer or sear.

Yes I shot it before conversion but had the problem then also.

Neil
Posted By: RJM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/21/19
When a Series 80 to 70 conversion is done a pre-Series 80 hammer and sear should be fitted. The Series 80 hammer doesn't have a half cock notch only a shelf. You can have a nice UD mixing the incorrect parts.

Pull the slide off and use something small to push on the firing pin from the rear where the hammer would strike the end and see if the firing pin is moving smoothly and how much of the pin extends out of the breachface.

It almost sounds like you have a sear/hammer interface problem. As in when the hammer releases and starts down it is being caught by the safety shelf. Did you mess with the overtravel adjustment on the trigger...

If you were having this problem before you converted the gun you really should have contacted Remington.... My suggestion is put it all back to original and contact them for a warranty repair....and if you don't want a Series 80 gun, replace it with a real original non-Series 80 style 1911... I have both kinds and never had any issues with either....

Bob
When you whacked the slide, could you see it move forward on the frame?
Posted By: RJM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/21/19
It may be going into battery enough to deactivate the disconnect but out just enough to cause a misfire...but usually at that point there will be a firing pin indentation on the primer...
Originally Posted by doubletap
When you whacked the slide, could you see it move forward on the frame?



No
Not enough info to diagnose the problem from long distance.

RJM is right if it did it as a new gun, send it to Remington & don't waste time & effort.

MM
21lb recoil spring may have come with an extra power firing pin spring, did you install that? If so, that’s likely your culprit. Especially if you have a reduced power mainspring.
All springs work together, gotta know how changing one affects the others.
I know it's fashionable to hate on big green. Shot an R1Carry and it ran like a scalded dog after a spray of Lucas gun oil beforeshooting.
Posted By: RJM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/22/19
I have several friends with Remington 1911s...no complaints at all...
Originally Posted by nmitchell


I put the 21# spring in because it is heavier than the one I took out.

Neil


How did you make that determination?

Do you have a known 24# to check wire gauge, coils & length to for comparison?

As RJM said, a stock 1911 mainspring is 24# unless Remingtons are a rare exception for a stock factory gun.

21# is generally what I go down to for an everyday use gun with the hammer hook depth set to around .021-022". All with a 16-17# recoil spring & with a square bottom firing pin stop...................never don't work if all the internals are right, never.

I've gone as low as a 17# mainspring in certain setups............but not advisable for everyday use.

And in a standard chamber 45 ACP, 1911 there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to go higher than an 18# recoil spring if the balance of the gun is properly set up.

That setup will function just fine from +P loadings down to 230's at about 750 FPS or a little lower.

MM
Posted By: GF1 Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/23/19
I have a bone-stock Remington 1911 R1 that functions perfectly, and is quite accurate. I’ve had it a couple years, expected very little from it, but have been pleasantly surprised.
Today I noticed on misfires the hammer is not going all the way forward. It stops before hitting firing pin.

Help!!!

Neil
Posted By: EdM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/24/19
Originally Posted by Daverageguy
I know it's fashionable to hate on big green. Shot an R1Carry and it ran like a scalded dog after a spray of Lucas gun oil beforeshooting.


My experience as well and very accurate to boot.
Originally Posted by RJM
I have several friends with Remington 1911s...no complaints at all...
A gentleman I know who deals in 1911 parts just bought 50 frames and slides from Remington and they all look very nice.
Originally Posted by nmitchell
Today I noticed on misfires the hammer is not going all the way forward. It stops before hitting firing pin.

Help!!!

Neil

Someone has messed with the fire control group who didn't know what he was doing. Take it to someone who knows what they're doing. If you can't diagnose the problem yourself, I strongly recommend against you trying to "fix" it. Just pay up and get it fixed right.
Amen Brother
Originally Posted by RJM
I have several friends with Remington 1911s...no complaints at all...


I have one. It's never even so much as jammed
Posted By: RJM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/26/19
Originally Posted by nmitchell
Today I noticed on misfires the hammer is not going all the way forward. It stops before hitting firing pin.

Help!!!

Neil


That is why I asked if you have messed with the overtravel screw in the trigger... If it is out of adjustment the trigger won't let sear clear the notches on the hammer and will do just what you described. There should be a small Allen wrench with the gun and if there is back the screw out and see if that changes things...

Bob
Posted By: RJM Re: Rem R1 1911 failure to fire - 12/26/19
Also to make things clear...

The spring that is under the barrel in the slide is the "RECOIL" spring.

The spring that powers the hammer and also controls the unlocking of the slide is the "MAIN" spring and it is in the mainspring housing on the frame...

It sounds like you replaced the 18# standard .45 recoil spring for a 21# to try and get the slide to lock up...should not be necessary.
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