https://youtu.be/H3lc6yN0KNU

......again......

He just didn't want to give up the ghost.

Either .44 Magnum is woefully inadequate for the largest ungulates, or it was a terrible bullet/load selection for the job. That was painful to watch.

H O L Y ....M OO L Y !!!

Make you think twice about WHAT rifle/cartridge to
take Buff hunting. !!

Thnx JWP


Jerry

How about a head shot. I quit watching after 6 shots

Was kinda hoping the buffalo would have taken out one of those dipshits.

But I guess it's OK since it was a live bullet test and not a hunting scenario.

That was sick, shoot that sob with a pellet gun.

Yeah. Fair Chase. What a coupla azzholes.

Wow, sad as hell and why anyone would share that...

Not a good look...

If that was a bullet test, it FAILED.

Disturbing, on several levels.

Not a good look at all.

I counted 12 rounds, and it seems those were finishers after tracking the already wounded buff.

At least they found him, and finished the job.

That was hard to watch. I hope they pull that video because it's horrible and will only serve to turn more people against REAL hunting. They should be ashamed of that cluster flap......

Someone should take that Super Redhawk from them, and beat them with it.

WTF.


That was about like some Texan snicking up on an Angus bull chewing it’s cud.

[bleep] happens, to everybody.

But, what kind of asshat would post this?

Heck, I would probably put that video in the trash.
I've been front and center in a couple rodeos's, one involving a 45 Colt
and a whitetail buck. I....do..... not....want to re-live it.

Hell, I told my Dad afterward
"If it was always like that, I would quit hunting".

Wow, is this a PETA forum? I was alerted by JFS that this video was still causing a ruckus. A little perspective is needed but I shouldn't have to explain.

First and foremost, this is a personal vendetta for John Parker. He cares not for the truth, only his agenda. Remember that when you read his rhetoric and don't fall for the bullshit. I don't know why he has a hard-on for me but it's getting to be embarrassing. I reckon he has nothing better to do.

Secondly, as was stated, this is a live bullet test. The buffalo was dead on its feet after the first two shots, really the first shot. Which broke its shoulder, punched a large hole in the heart, made mush of the lungs and made it all the way to the hide on the far side. It took a minute and a half for it to lay down. Don't we shoot everything else once and let it run off to die? Waiting a half hour for it to expire? I didn't pay $3000 to shoot a water buffalo twice. We pursued it to test more bullets, because that's what we're there for. The only difference here is that instead of waiting a half hour for it to bleed out, we went after it, shot it as many times as possible and filmed it.

Third, buffalo aren't deer. They don't fall over when you shoot them. They run. Their low heart rate and blood pressure allows them to absorb punishment and stay on their feet.

Lastly, the bullets performed superbly. The only thing missing here is perspective and that is clearly lacking. If this really had been a SNAFU, I wouldn't have posted it. That said, I'm not going to get into a back & forth over it.

Parker, do you have the hots for me or something? Is it because you haven't done anything with a handgun in 30yrs and the effect of the same five pictures you post over and over again is wearing off?

Why are we relitigating this????

Torturing that poor animal to death. WOW

Why don't you do something productive with your retirement? I know you haven't done anything with a handgun in decades but this idiotic agenda to bring down your former friends is not going to make you relevant or help you feel any better. It just makes you look like a deranged lunatic who needs to start a club with that buffoon Jim Miner. You two have a lot in common. Are you a drunk too???

Didn't know this was CraigC's work...….the dots start to connect.

I don't give a schit whose "work" it is and Craig could use a bit of common sense and not post such a video in a public venue with access by everyone Tom, Dick and Harry.

Why is that? Because we followed the critter and shot it more than once, rather than just letting it die? Do you think one or two bullets provides as much information as 10-12? If we had waited 15mins it would've been dead with no blood pressure and it wouldn't have been as meaningful a bullet test. I mean, you do realize that we're killing something here and doing it as quickly as possible??? If you have no issues with bow hunting, you should have no issues with this.

What exactly is wrong with it, specifically?

I obviously used enough gun and the right bullet, judging by the postmortem. They broke major supportive bones and destroyed the vitals, so no issues with the cartridge/bullet used.

Shot placement was perfect, so no issues there.

So is it the fact that it was shot multiple times? The fact that I filmed it? Or the fact that I uploaded it to YouTube?

I had to check out the full length version.

A legal commercialized livestock shoot......sold as 'hunting'. Bunch of fat dudes traipsing along with more go-pro's than guns, jibber-jabbering nonstop until they run the livestock up to the fence, then put 12 rounds all over one. Followed by high-fives for great shooting, and a one-shot kill.

Amazing.

What video are you watching? You're apparently seeing what you want to see, or what Parker wants you to see.

1. Water buffalo are not livestock. They don't like being hunted and are more likely to charge than Cape buffalo. They certainly don't stand around waiting to be shot.

2. It's not sold as "hunting". It is seen for what it is, nothing more, nothing less. It's a live bullet test under conditions that are as close to hunting as possible, without spending $15,000. Do you want to hunt Cape buffalo with something based on theory? Or something you've seen actually work in the field?

3. Fat dudes? How old are you?

4. All over one? My first two shots were placed perfectly while the buffalo was in a trot, then a dead run. All subsequent shots were placed into the shoulder and spread around a little so as not to hammer the same spot into hamburger. Because it was a bullet test.

Craig, you've always come across as a guy with a lot of good knowledge on the big revolvers. At the same time, you always come across as a bit of a condescending know-it-all. Your buffalo shooting vids just add another perspective.

I always gave you the benefit of the doubt, and still do.

I don't know anything about the dustup between you and JWP, hopefully you can both get past it.

Craig, you are very full of yourself and which you have proven to be full of BS. This would be one of those threads where I would feel my IQ dropping if I continue to read/comment. Bye

Seems reasonable that something that big would take awhile to die even with perfect placement and adequate penetration. If that’s not acceptable neither is bow hunting ever.

But I probably wouldn’t post it on YouTube for the world to see.

There's something to be learned in just about everything.

That type of situation might end badly for the shooter on a more aggressive beast like a cape buff.

They’d have better backup in that scene.

Exactly! They don't even leave a blood trail. I've seen videos of buffalo hit several times with a .577 rifle and they still ran off.

Here's the thing, JWP's tirade started a year or more before I processed the video and posted it. Like some of the rhetoric here, it was based on third hand information from people who weren't there. The videos were posted to prove JWP's claims as false, which they did. He's still clinging to his argument because he's committed to it. I honestly don't care.

JWP's vendetta is old. I've proven him wrong time and again and he cannot accept it. The three bovines I've taken in Hondo, TX proved it. All his conclusions were made 30yrs ago on limited information but he thinks it is gospel and not to be questioned. He has made enemies of most of his friends by his own doing and probably belongs in a mental institution. This forum is the only soapbox he has left.

Cape buffalo have a herd mentality and despite the rhetoric, are less likely to charge. We've had several at this ranch that charge the feed truck as it goes by. Don't get me wrong, it ain't Africa but contrary to what many seem to believe, water buffalo are not like domestic cattle.

And every person in our party was armed with a big bore revolver capable of stopping a charge. I don't know why some seem to think it's amateur hour out there.

That was my thought.

I have never seen an animal soak up punishment like that.

Had it been charging, would the shooter been able to stop it? Disabling it looked like it would've been the only recourse, that rascal wasn't going to die for anybody.

Yeah, all of those.

Seems like the kind of animal the .375 H&H Magnum was made for rather than any handgun. Maybe it's just me.

Put yourself in my shoes. I spent about $7000 on that trip. Not as a hunt of a lifetime but to gather information before a hunt of a lifetime. I did all that to test bullets on real critters, closely approximating what would happen on a Cape buffalo hunt. I had a great time with friends. The bullets I had high hopes for performed beautifully. My shooting was right on. I actually shot the second buffalo just to donate the meat to Texas flood relief that year. So all in all, it was a fantastic experience. Then this petty a$$hole John Parker goes on the warpath and does everything in his power to spoil the whole thing, FOR NEARLY THREE YEARS! He has slandered me, my friends and anything associated over a petty personal disagreement. Not because he has some moral or philosophical problem with what happened. Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with what happened in the video. Had he been there and everything was cool between us, he would've been high fiving with the rest of us (which we don't do but I digress).

You guys don't know this but Parker threatened to drive to Hondo JUST to kick my ass, over a petty argument on this very forum. Think about the mental stability of someone who'd make that threat and mean it.

I would consider the .375 a downgrade.

So you would've been okay had I shot it the first time and just let it run off to die? So you're okay with it happening, you just don't want to see it?

Are you okay with JWP going on a 3yr tirade telling the world that I had to shoot a water buffalo 20 times to kill it, based on something someone who wasn't even there told him? Because I don't recall any resistance when that happened.

Must have been quite a .44 Magnum load, then.

Not near as bad as some asshat sticking critters with an arrow then watching them run off to die in obvious panic and pain

It appears we have a battle of the BIG EGOs going on here...

CraigC, What’s the purpose of the video post? What were you intending to achieve when publishing it on YouTube? I ask because it’s not obvious.

I had always intended to upload the video and share it. The whole purpose of our trips to Hondo is to experiment and find what works. I had never edited a video before and it took until about six months ago until I bought the software to do it and tackled processing it into something you'd want to watch.

That's all you got? If your smear campaign and vain attempt to be relevant is to be successful, you'll have to do better than that.

This is defamation of character, my ego has nothing to do with it. Pretty sure I was minding my own business when this video from a hunt nearly 3yrs ago was brought up.

No, it's not. It's in response to this video and the other, opposite thread that you started.
I find it telling that not even everyone involved knew what the "purpose" was, since at the :57 second mark you can hear someone say "shoot him halfway between the horn and the eye". That would have anchored him right there but I guess that's not what was wanted. I'm out of here, I've seen enough.
BTW It's not "defamation" when the details are included in a video that you posted in the public domain. It might be defamation if someone printed up false stories about you. No reason to though, you put it all on video...

It is defamation and that is the only reason it was even brought up. I posted this video months ago and we went through this months ago. It's defamation because it's not presented in a "just the facts ma'am" context. This is like getting your news from CNN, except it's filtered through JWP's smear campaign, rather than a liberal/progressive agenda. Remember the whole thing with Nick Sandmann? How they showed the video in such a way that everyone though HE was the a$$hole? But once everyone saw it in the proper context it totally changed your perspective? Same thing here. Sometimes just watching a video is not enough when you really don't have a clue what you're looking at. Which is obvious here. Everyone wants to have just an emotional kneejerk reaction and the facts don't really matter.

Everyone involved "knew" what the purpose was, we were all there for the same thing. The point was not just to kill a water buffalo, else I would've just brained it on the first shot.

Do you really think that 2000lb water buffalo should just fall over when hit?

Well, you could've just gone to the local slaughterhouse and asked them if you could shoot Elsie, Buttercup and Betsy.

If you think that's the same thing, you're just as clueless as everyone else. Lots of experts here that weren't there and have never done it. Do you guys even hunt with handguns???

That wasn't hunting.

That was shooting livestock.

It was a bullet test, try to keep up.

If all you critics have a suggestion on a better way to test big bore revolver bullets on critters comparable to Cape buffalo, I'm all ears. Because all I'm hearing is a lot of keyboard commando bullshit.

Whatever it was supposed to be it was a stupid thing to post online.

Keep up wouldja

So I was just supposed let some asshat slander me on multiple forums with lies and falsehoods???

I have no interest in 'keeping up' with your 'hunting' party, or MEAL Team Six, or whatever that was.

No, you're just another armchair critic comfortable with just running your mouth and slinging insults from a distance about something you obviously have no clue about.

I have no interest in having this discussion myself but here we are.

Has anyone actually watched a Cape buffalo hunt? I'd love one of you keyboard commandos to post a video where they just fall over when shot.

It's all good. I'm not here to gain anything either. I'm just having fun being a dickhead, and bustin' yer balls.

Thanks. I'd prefer to be left alone.

Nice thing about these internet socials, it's easy to unbuckle if it gets too boring.

I would think someone with your hunting experience would not feed the antis whatever some asshat said about any bullet.
The buf could have been shot with cast lead and the video would not have looked much if any difference.
Hunting isn't always pretty, why feed anti crowd was my point.

Why post anything on youtube? That's what people are trying to say. It's like posting a video showing you drunk (or worse, sober) screwing a really fat girl and then complaining because people are making fun of you. Do what you have to do, but keep it private.

Then why did you title it a hunt on the video; which you have now blocked access to?

Whoa now, that sounds like defamation of character!

Consider posting such videos as unlisted and share the link with targeted groups rather than to the world.

WTF!🤣
[bleep]....now I'm gonna spend the next hour searching CraigC's previous posts for more comedic gold!

If that’s the way a critter has to die then I’m out.

I had to shoot a cow once that was in enough pain already, I shot her in the head. I don’t even like to see a coyote do the death spin from a bad hit. Yes it happens but I sure ain’t gonna post it on youtube.

They charged the feed truck because they were hungry and they knew that's where the good food was.
Some people just don't know when to fold...

charged the feed truck?? did I read this right??

Yeah, them fat fenced in feeders are more dangerouser than cape buffalo.
Comedy gold alright.

Neighbors dairy cows got out in the road the other day. Glad I locked the doors and drove on by real quick. I coulda been killed!

I’ve seen a dairy cow hit by an F250 going fast. The driver didn’t survive. You could have been killed.

Again... Again... Again... Again... Again... Again... Again... Again... Again... Again... Again... Again...

Water buffalo are commonly used as draft animals, dairy animals, pets.

I've never seen a cape buffalo used in any domesticated purpose.

Personally, I'd like to hear more about this petty personal disagreement.

I lived in the Philippines for three years and the water buffalo is a common animal used by farmers to pull plows and wagons. I was always led to believe that they are very non aggressive. I'm no expert on this animal so perhaps the one in the video is a different species. If not then it's not a dangerous animal.

Does the truck have a Popeye's sign on the door?

I wonder if CraigC and Tom264 are acquainted? They deserve each other.

Your right... hit `em again....again....lower....reload..... Who was that masked man???

I'm sure we will...
From now on, when either starts expounding on how such-or-such bullet works on game and how many critters they've shot with them, I'll look on it in a very new light.

This is good shooting with a 44 mag

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtlvt5

the 375 h&h…...is a down grade from a 44 mag...……..how so?...……...bob

If that was you in the other thread with the catch-and-release shooting of the hog, you're no better.

Its about the amount of shots on a target, or so I hear.

Time to bring out the 9mms....

Private video?

Is now.