I'd like to get one of these two rifles for my daughter and wanted to see what everybody's thoughts were on the two. Ruger has a special run of 10/22s with a pink laminate stock and CZ has a special run of pink stocked 452 Scouts.

I currently have full-sized models of both and thought about just upgrading them, but I haven't bought a rifle in a while.

Thanks,

Dan

Go with the CZ. It will be good training for her to learn how to run a bolt gun. The CZ was very helpful in teaching my son to shoot well. CZ 452's accuracy does not hurt either.

GreggH

I'd go with the cz. I really wished I'd never put my youngest sone behind a 10/22 as he seems mostly interested in making empties rather then connecting.

I love buying guns for the kids, just wish my wife understood how rewarding an experience it is

CZ-- I have had both--Teach her to use the bolt action, then the semi...

+1 on the CZ.

No doubt on the CZ...
If you want you can put a Rifle Basix tirgger in it and make it slick...

You don't want to get a beginner an auto until they learn trigger control first. A bolt gun will accomplish that.

The bolt gun is definitely the way to go. I may have to check out the pink stocked version for my granddaughter.

Have to agree with the others. Go with the CZ. My nephew started with one and has done very well.

+2

Whilst not a CZ fan, I do agree with the above postings regarding a SA in the hands of a youngster. That combined with the fact I would never buy a new 10/22 ... they went on the cheap with them & the prices haven't come down.

Good Luck with the little one and envy the experience which you're about to embark.

Thanks guys. Not often that everybody around here agrees on something.

Ok, part two of the question. What about optics? I'm definitely putting some sort of scope on it, but what are everyone's thoughts on something like the Vortex StrikeFire vs. a Leupold 4x?

I am a Leupy slut .... but I think the next rf scope I'm going to try will be the Weaver ... looked as good "in the store" as the Leupold rf and 1/2 the price ($100-ish).

If one desires accuracy of of the box, I'd stick with the bolt action. Among our hunter safety classes, young males are typically into "lead in the air" and "who cares where it hits." Ladies are more prone to the challenges of precision shooting.

On optics... To maximize accuracy from say 50 ft to 100 yards, a variable with an adjustable objective would be primo. On our western ground squirrels where youngsters might only be field mouse size, a 10 X image is a much better target. Parallax really kicks in with fixed optics, especially with the higher power. Cheap variables though will often exhibit point of impact changes with power shifts. If one is just going to do plinking though, any 4 to 6 X unit should suffice.

Regardless of the choice, test several brands of ammo for accuracy. Some brands will shoot nice 4 inch wide patterns at 50 yrds while others can stay within a dime. Good luck and have fun. 1Minute

CZ and try various sub-sonic loads. Scopes? Up to you, but get something that balances well on the little Scout. My son has one, and it is a VERY accurate rifle. I love the Leupold 3-9x EFR rimfire scope with the AO. It is pricey, but can be transferred to another rifle down the road, and you will never need to upgrade from it, forever.

One thing about the CZ, the action was pretty stiff. It polished up working the action a lot. Worked it a bunch while sitting on the couch. It comes with a single shot clip, so you will have to eventually purchase a 5 rounder. Also, the safety works in the opposite direction than most rifles, but it is clearly marked.

I also see the logic and safety in starting the youngun with the bolt CZ, but what about this suggestion ..... ?

Get her an adult-size CZ452 (the heavier non feather weight barrel?), but put a "Scout" stock on it until she grows into the walnut stock! Also be sure to get the 1-shot blind (Scout) magazine to make the M452 a singleshooter, until she graduates to the 5 and 10rd mags.

If you need to, the Scout stock is rather light-colored and can be repainted to a more girly color - like pink or even lavender! How many young female shooters have a lavender or periwinkle-colored rifle!!?? I don't have a daughter but would seriously consider my own advice if I did.

I seriously considered going that route and in fact contacted CZ to see if I could buy the Pink Scout stock directly from them, but they wouldn't sell it separate from the rifle. So...I bought the rifle. I just picked it up about an hour ago. Very cool little rig...single-shot adapter, 12" LOP pink stock, ~16" barrel. I picked up a box of Federal Gold Metal Match and some sub-sonic stuff to try out. Now I just need to find some pink ear-muffs and a pink gun case and I'll be set.

I actually sold my Trainer model to help fund this purchase, so I'll be running the 4x Leupold Rimfire off that rifle. Can't wait to see the smile on her face...

Good luck then, Clark98UT

Thought I had seen kid-size replacement stocks at Brownell's, altho they might have been from Boyd's and not CZ.

I have actually seen kid-size 10/22 replacement stocks advertised at Brownell's.

If you indeed succeed finding everything "pink," your wife's expression is one you also need to photograph too - when your daughter first see's her new rifle.

Hope that family moment is a huge success!

Having run or helped in running 4H Shooting sports classes for the last 14 years I have to agree that the last thing you want to give a kid for their first rifle is a semi. It usually goes how fast they can get the next magazine loaded.

The CZ Scout is an excellent rifle. It has the following drawbacks however... The stock is Euro shaped which is great for shooting the open sights that come on the gun but put a scope on and the line of sight is way too high for a natural cheek weld. I ended up putting a Cabela's leather lace on cheek rest to solve that problem. Put on a slipon recoil pad for bigger kids...like us...

Second is the bolt throw...it is too high and one has to use a fairly high ring to clear the ocular bell with the bolt handle. Choose a scope with the smallest bell possible so it can be put in the shortest rings possible. I put one of the old 10X Weaver K10s on and although it looks funny with all that scope the kids really like the Mini-Sniper...





This was a groups shot at 100 yards using Walmart Federal bulk ammo. The right hole isn't counted as I was still bringing the group to the left... Great rifles...



The gun should also come equiped with sling swivels...

Bob

Here's the one I ended up with...

Yeah, that scope goes look studly!

How's about the CZ Trainer for her, those are neat little rifles, or are the stocks full sized on them? Really like the sights they put on them. Train her with irons first and then go to a scope. It will be a piece of cake for her then, and everybody should be able to shoot open sights well. I'm afraid it's becoming a lost art.

I have both and love them. The CZ will shoot anything I put in it but the 10/22 does not like some Remingtons or Winchesters. It feeds well with Federals and CCI. Both guns are accurate and a pleasure to shoot.

Purchased the Scout for my 6 year old Grand Daughter about 6 months ago, mounted a Leupold 4x Rimfire Special in Warne 7.3 rings. This scope set up fits well, a Nikon 2-7x, or Weaver 2.5-7 should do as well. Great little rifles.

I'm sure one will get more accuracy from the bolt action. If they would just tuck that clip/magazine up so it was flush with the flow of the stock, I'd think about one. Good shooting, 1Minute

I just gave my son one of these CZ's as well, and the drop at the heel is horrendous. In order to get it to fit I sawed the pistol grip in two just behind the tang and then installed a wedge to bring up the drop. Even after that I had to add a cheekpiece so that he could get a good cheek weld. Whoever did the design on this stock has his head up his azz, otherwise it's a slick little rig for the kids to learn on...my boy loves his.

Well, I finally got around to mounting the scope. I was having some interference with the rear sights on this setup, so I took a file to the sight. Problem solved.

CZ 452 Pink Scout, Talley rings, Leupold 4x Rimfire...

Sweet rig for a sweet girl, no doubt!

My son and I went squirrel hunting yesterday afternoon. He carried his Scout. Fun! He shot 4.

I have a Leupold fixed 4x on it (not the rimfire). We stopped to make sure his gun was sighted in before hitting the woods. I am using the SK subsonic HP's in his rifle and in my Anschutz 54 Sporter. His gun shot lights out at 50 yards. You could cover a 5 shot group with a nickel.

Here is the link for SK's:

http://www.championshooters.com/store/product.php?productid=608

Beware, the CCI 40 grain SS HP's are a tight fit in the Scout chamber. They will chamber in, but will not extract a live round because of the tight fit and single extractor (unlike my Anschutz with a double extractor). Getting them to chamber in the Anschutz was ridiculous.

I now only use the CCI's in my .22 handguns.

Could do without the t-sip sticker!!

Gig'em

again go with the CZ. I very good starter for future hunters...

Thanks guys. I'll post pictures when she opens it up.

-Dan

Also makes a nice trapline rifle for a old man who stands 6' 4" Also, a great canoe gun.

GMD1950 definitely knows his way around rimfires (and probably alot of other gunny things too).

Welcome to the 'fire GM1950! (read your posts over on rimfirecentral)

MtnHtr