Anybody else seen this? Winchester has finally released their 22 WMR sub sonic rounds for sale. I use my 22 WMR to dispatch nuisance alligators with my silencer. It's going to be nice to see what the subs do.

https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/wi...p-22-win-mag-45-grain-rimfire-ammunition

The irony........

Doesn't that make it ah.............................22LR subsonic.

I'll let you know after I dispatch a couple of alligators if it is any better than a sub sonic 22lr .I will be happy if it is the same. At least it will be quieter than a full power 22 WMR most shots are less than 2 feet.

Is this Troy as in Troy Landry?

P.T. Barnum was right...

Jacketed .224's dig much better,than lead.

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why would anyone buy a 22 mag then download it to 22lr velocity ???

Jacketed .224's dig much better,than lead.

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Kinda kicks the whole idea of the .22 MAG in the teeth, doesn't it?

Jacketed .224's dig much better,than lead.

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Aren't all alligators a nuisance?

I was raised on a farm, we killed hogs and cows with a 22 LR every year, one shot and they went down and then were bled out. No one ever said we needed anything else to shoot them with as it always worked ok.. I shot a Horse with a 44 special that had to be put down because that was all I had to do the job with, but I am sure a 22 LR would done just as well as a horse has a very thin skull compared to a Hog. I do own a 22 mag but use it to shoot groundhogs at a longer range than I use the 22LR for.. I have fell in love with the 17 mach2 for groundhog shooting mainly for its accuracy and instant death for the groundhog.

For Long Range,the 22LR has no equal,due it's Precision.

Hint................

At subsonic velocity I've not seen a lot of evidence that favors lead or copper in regards to penetration. Form probably has a big influence but anything aside from pure lead doesn't upset much, if at all.

Jacketed .224's dig much better,than lead.

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Let us know how it works out.

I bet they don't bounce off................(grin)

The Aguila 22LR 60gr subsonic would be my choice before the 22WMR sub load.

i think i understand what of you speak. for instance a 16 yr. old deer poacher could expect better penetration with the jacketed bullet. if it was suppressed it would be the cat's meow. but given the clientele in this instance, it probably wouldn't be suppressed.

something like that for hog hunting ought to be a good thing in the thickets.

Metallurgy plays a factor,as does Sectional Density,at said speed limit. Hint.

Jacketed WMR rounds,upset to a lesser extent and have a better pile driving ass.

None of which is subjective.

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The Aguila 60 SSS's bane,is twist rate....................

They are iffy in 1/16.

My Single Six is 1/14, they are stable there, but probably just barely.

Green Mtn was offering 1/9 barrels for the 10/22, don't know if they still are or not.

Thus the WMR subsonic indulgence.(grin)

They's a given..................

The only subsonic 22 WMR I'm aware (the Winchester offering) isn't jacketed. It's a 45gr lead hollow point.

They's coming along..............

It does seem to me to be a bit of an oxymoron.. 22WMR subsonic??

Speed Thresholds,unite projectiles in an easy to savvy ranking.

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Stick,

I've actually tested several .22 LR loads for penetration.

If it is penetration someone is after, stay away from hollow points... subsonic or not.

The only possible advantage I see to a 22 WMR subsonic is if you do not own a 22LR.

Generally all 22 LR labeled 'subsonic' has a HP, whereas if it is labeled 'standard velocity' (which are sub-sonic) it is always a RN... so if this 'subsonic' WMR is a HP it is not going to "dig" as well as a standard velocity 22 LR.

Now if it is a 50 grain load, then I could very well be wrong about it's penetration capability vs a 40 grain 22 LR.


Jerry

link to my old expansion/penetration tests;
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150808

Twist rate makes a difference at the 2 feet the OP is shooting alligators?

Is a regular .22 mag all that loud through a can, especially at two feet? When I've shot something up close like that the report always seemed muffled.

Shooting any caliber that breaks the sound barrier is much louder than a sub sonic round. My 22 WMR is a bolt action rifle. I use it on alligators because I've had several failure to fire events while using my 10-22 with sub sonic ammo. I will play with the subs this weekend and report back.

Troy,

Remington subsonics perhaps?

If not Remington Sub's (which are basically crap) or the old (as in not available for the last 8 to 10 years) PMC 'Moderator', which are very good, just so low powered that they will not cycle a semi-auto action reliably.

If not and this is regular, something is awry.

Time to try and figure out what is wrong with your 10-22. Most likely you just need to 'Mod' your 10-22 bolt for subsonics. Out of several 10-22's, I have had only one that would not function with subsonics no matter what.

There are youtubes on how to modify the bolt, basically you are just radiusing the lower rear of the bolt so that it glides over/cocks the hammer easier.

Also a 10% lighter recoil spring would be helpful.



Hopefully you will report back here with your results using the 22 Magnum subs.

Jerry