I have a Remington 700 in 7/08 that I am planning to sell. It was sold to me as a "Custom Shop" rifle. Through my own ignorance I thought it was a KS; but, I have since discovered I was mistaken and that is not the case. However, before I sell, I need to confirm whether or not this is indeed a custom shop rifle. Because of their current status, phone calls and e-mails to Remington are now going unanswered. Are there ways to tell if this is a custom shop rifle?

First, I will tell you what I do know. The guy I bought it from bought it new and assures me it is a Custom Shop rifle. I know, people can lie; but, that time has passed and before I sell, I wish to be sure. On to what I do know. It is a stainless, ADL, in 7/08 with a 24 inch barrel and an X-Mark Pro trigger. It wears the stock that Remington put on their Ti rifles and the stock weighs a scant 23.2 ounces. It is a Bell and Carlson that, according to Brandon at B&C: " We sold those to Remington for their titanium series mountain contour barrel. They put them on a few other small runs for the custom shop". According to the date code on the left side of the rifle (KO) the rifle was manufactured in May of 1994. The entire rifle weighs 6 pounds 3 ounces.

I would be happy to answer any questions that would enable someone to confirm the custom shop status of the rifle. I provide all of the information above in the attempt to eliminate any of the anticipated most basic questions. I guess someone might ask "how does it shoot?". I don't know. It's one I have never fired after acquiring it. What other things are there, if any, at which I can look to make my determination? Thanks in advance.

I believe most custom shop guns had the caliber stamped with hand stamps on the barrel instead of the normal roll stamp that is used on production guns.

a picture is worth a thousand words but i am thinking it is not....during those years it was the long action KS model and the model seven in short action

Kid is correct. My 7mm Mag just has caliber stamped on it , none of the other markings. Mine came bedded from the factory.
GreggH

I've owned two and maybe a third.

All three have the caliber in very small letters stamped on the barrel shank, the two letter date code, and nothing else.

One was .300 Win Mag, and it was not stamped level, or clearly - but Remington verified the serial number as a Custom Shop receiver.

The current rifle I have in question has the same small stamping in 375 H&H - but a call to Remington (before the passage) resulted in a no - it's not a Custom Shop serial number.

Yours sounds right, but there's apparently other custom shop "type" marked rifles.

Mine does not look it's been taken apart, looks factory - "OE" date code with a "B" pre-fix.

Pics??

I did not post pictures originally because everything that is stated so far does not exist on my rifle. For example "Custom Shop" being stamped is not on my rifle. My research shows that wasn't necessarily done on all custom shop rifles. I've also learned through extensive research, that most of the indicators in this thread weren't an across the board "inclusion" on all custom shop rifles. Additionally, it is my understanding they did numberous "custom shop runs" of various configurations. Here are pictures though. Thanks for all input so far and for any further input.

That looks like part of a special run for Gander Mountain or Cabelas. Think they called it the “mountain guide”

Desirable setup of a mountain gun in an original Ti BC stock

That is not a Remington custom shop rifle.

Agreed - I believe you a Gander Mountain rifle - special run rifle.

The older custom shop guns I've had were not stamped "Custom Shop" - they were only marked the tiny caliber stamp, a date code, the proof, and none of the warning or address stamps.

Interesting. I have been corresponding with a few of our members more knowledgeable than myself when trying to identify the stock. A couple of them also suggested that they thought it might be a Gander Mountain "Mountain Guide".

It is a Gander Mountain Guide - They have the same stocks as the 1st gen Titanium rifles.

I just held a M7 stainless in 7/08 today at a local shop and thought the stock was the same as the one on my Ti.

Gene270 is correct. The M700 KS rifles were long action only and the short action KS rifles were done in a Model Seven.

What is the barrel length on your rifle? All Mountain Guides were 22" IF I remember correctly. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I may have the muzzle thickness written down somewhere, but I'm sure someone here can check theirs for you to ensure it has the "mountain profile" barrel.

Either way, it's a very nice rifle.

StudDuck, it has a 24 inch barrel. This had me scratching my head too as my research showed the GM Mountain Guides had 22 inch barrels.

I'm fairly certain this is a rifle that's been "pieced together", not that that's a bad thing! The X-Mark Pro trigger doesn't match a 1994 action which as we all know it's easy enough to change a trigger but all the Gander Mountain Guide rifles had 22" mountain rifle contour barrels. What's the muzzle diameter of this barrel? I could be wrong but I believe all stainless mountain rifle barrels have been 22". Either way this a nice little rifle.

Here's a picture of the trigger. I'm not an expert; but, I think the X-mark Pro trigger came out around 2007 or 2008. I believe this one to be an X-mark Pro Adjustable which would mean at least the trigger is post 2009. And to answer your question HC, if memory serves me correctly, the outside diameter at the muzzle was something like .66 or .67.

Is a Remington model 700 PSS the same as the
40X?

How well does the barrel fit in the inlet of the stock? If I had to take a wild guess, this could be an early SPS Stainless 700 which did have a sporter contour 24" barrel. Like already mentioned the Gander Mtn Guide which was stainless and the blued version which was sold at Cabelas all had 22" barrels for their short actions. Basically the Mtn Guide was a special run Mtn rifle in a 1st Gen Ti stock. I've had a couple and foolishly sold both of them.

Its possible someone took a Ti stock inlet for one of the SAUM Ti rifles which has a heavier contour barrel, thats why I asked about the fit. I had one of those stocks on a 7MM-08 and fit was pretty good, the barrel channel didn't need any work to fit.

Regardless of what it is - its a nice rifle. It has the makings for the perfect "faux Ti" with just a barrel chop to 22" and a Ti flute on the bolt.

Really?

And your answer is?

No they aren't the same. For one difference the PSS got production line hammer forged barrels. The 40X rifles got button rifled, lapped barrels.

The 40X also had the 40X externally adjustable trigger. The PSS got the regular 700 trigger at least until until the XMark era.

I have one of each, with the PSS in .223 and the 40x in 308. Both hit what I'm aiming at ,even using Leopold's.

Thank you mathman.

I have the shorty version, an LTR. It shoots very well.

That's just an ADL stainless that someone put in that stock.

I read on here that no matter what gun you have or scope is used, chances are you must some sort of dummy.

Only thing I go buy is that I can still hit anything I want to and still take a few bucks off my grandson when we are shooting prairie poodles.

The little chit is getting damn good however.

W. Bill

Date code not right unless it was sent in for trigger replacement, X Mark Pro wasn't even dreamed of in '94.

Smooth stainless like the original Remington stainless rifles or does it have that rough ass stainless finish?

Hey Frank, I appreciate your input. Here are a couple of pictures of the of the barrel channel, and, to answer 10gaugemag's question, the brushed stainless finish.




As I stated in one of my posts up above.



I did talk to the original seller today and he does state that he put the X-mark Pro trigger in because it had a crappy trigger. I guess out of the frying pan and into the fire so to speak.

I have nine rifles from the custom shop ranging from.22 rimfire to .375 H&H and a couple have “Remington Custom Shop, Illion, N.Y.” stamped on the top of the barrel about halfway to the muzzle. A couple have the assembly codes on the left side of the barrel just in front of the recoil lug and the proof marks and magnaflux stamps on the right side; most don’t have them. The chambering stamp is in different fonts on different rifles and is stamped within 3” or so forward of the recoil lug. None have the “warning” stamps.

Thank you for the pictures - that barrel appears to be a perfect fit. Still think it could be a 1st Gen TI SAUM stock and a SPS stainless, it should fit pretty good IMHO. I know it can't be a early stainless Mtn rifle since you said it has a 24" barrel and they all had 22" for a short action. Its a really nice rig though that could make for a great hunting rifle but based on everything posted and your pictures I have to believe its probably not a Custom Shop rifle.

I'm going to agree with Oregonmuley on this one.

Where was all of this information at when I walked away from a 300 H&H last year because I wasn’t sure it was a factory KS. I wish I was better at this google-fu crap.

Sooo, the SS Mtn Guude was Cabela's and the blued, Gander. No? Obviously not one as it's not Mtn rifle.


But, is there indication of the barrel channel being opened up? Looks like it from here. Mtn Guide or Ti stock and a SS SPS or SS ADL BA, and a chit trigger... $600. Nothing CS about it.


Only folks who put an X Mark on a rifle do so to trip it.

Reverse that boomer. SS was Gander.

Agreed, basically. And they'll feel a little front heavy.

My phucqking memory is going! I had SS 243 and 308 and today would swear all ya'll are wrong, lol.

Right here on the Remington 700 forum, even though a few guys are missing in today's discussion... But, there's oddballs (guys and guns) and parts guns galore.

Limited run BDL Guide Gittr. LOL

That is a standard issue SS ADL in a Ti stock. Hybrid, nothing more.

That’s what I was looking at yesterday, but it looked original not put together.

As several have mentioned, my initial thought or suspicion when I started this thread was that I had an SS ADL in a Ti stock. I thank all of you for your input and information. If nothing else, hopefully, this thread will be beneficial to someone else also. It has been both a good education and a good refresher for me.

Did the guy you bought it from own up to it not being what he sold it as?

OK I have a question - picked up a Remington Model 7 that was advertised as a Custom Shop model. It has a wooden stock that has exceptional figure and appears similar in grain and figure to others that I’ve seen from the Custom Shop in that time period (1993 according to barrel date code if I remember correctly). What doesn’t make sense are the barrel markings - it has the roll stamp of a typical production model.......however, the bluing is the high luster blue typical of the Custom Shop and it shoots like a Custom Shop model. Any thoughts? I will try and get pics up - I tried to contact Remington but never got anyone that could definitively answer. I don’t really care if it is as the quality of craftsmanship is above average and the wood and accuracy are extraordinary but would just like to know....would it be possible that they hand selected a rifle that shot well and gave it custom treatment?

Thanks,
PennDog

Of the few (4 or 5) Custom Shop rifles I've owned, none had the full "roll stamp" marking.

The roll stamp is not on mine or the ones I have seen. Only proof and caliber.
GreggH

Poor poor(literally) BigCry is soooooooo stumped by an ADL,that she needs to start a Thread to bolster her Imagination and Pretend,so she can transform it into a "Custom"! Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless her heart,for doing the best she can,with what INCREDIBLY little she "has" to "work" with.

hint.

LAUGHING!.................

Hey little buddy. I hope you are well. My apologies for starting a thread without checking with you first. Just so we are clear, the "ADL" status was never confusing. It was just the combination of all parts that had me confused. Just look at all the positive input I got from other members.

I can just see you perusing threads on the forum and then thinking to yourself, "self, here's an opportunity to poke fun at someone and assert my superior intellect". You and you above all others should recognize that experience is our greatest teacher.

Big Stick, I'll bet if you take a viagra, you just get taller.

See what I did there little buddy? Now you can type "LAUGHING" again. I'm going to go out and put about 1000 rounds downrange now. You go back to surfing threads that will enable you to make yourself feel superior by targeting others rather than doing something productive. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving and I hope you have a great day.

BigCry,

It weren't my intent to swipe ANY of your "thunder",if only because Imagination and Pretend are all that you "have"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Kudos to you,for the lofty aspiration of conspiring that a fhuqking run of the mill ADL,was somehow a Custom Shop "creation". Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute". Hint. LAUGHING!

Rest fhuqking ASSURED,that nobody can "make" you out to be a Dumber Fhuqk than you can,by simply doing your BEST. I enjoy the fact,that you are powerless in that "much" refrain. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. LAUGHING!

Yet another slow day here,as this unseasonable heat and arid conditions cast dust about. Prolly an intended pun there,as I vacuum the couch and mend cameras. Hint.

LAUGHING!





Pardon a Sunday Morning Jaunt,eclipsing your "Life's" efforts. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your heart,for playing the perpetual "victim",which is assuredly no fhuqking "act".

Hint.

LAUGHING!...................

This ^^^^^^^^^^^

Nothing more, nothing less, & I hope you didn't pay a custom shop rifle price, either.

1994 dated BA, in a Ti stock................Ti's didn't appear until 2001 so someone put it together after that.

MM

I did not pay custom shop price. Actually, I paid ADL in a Ti stock price.

That's a good thing then...........it does approximate a KS Custom shop rifle, with a little heavier barrel contour & the Ti stock instead of the KS stock...............the most notable difference being that the KS has a considerably slimmer wrist & is bedded correctly in the CS.

KS rifles are some of the most accurate factory rifles I've ever shot but some of the Ti's are very accurate as well.

Here's a pic of a Custome Shop KS in 270 & a Ti in 7-08...............
hard to tell the wrist difference in the pic, but easily discernible in your hand. KS forend is also just a tad slimmer than a Ti stock.

At any rate, you have a nice rifle & you should just use it an enjoy it.............maybe bed it.

MM

KS (with a little work done on it)


Ti

I sold it, which was the purpose behind this thread. I wanted to sell it honestly with true and correct information for whomever the subsequent buyer would be.

Yeah, got that you wanted to sell it; guess I just missed that it was already gone.

Oh, well......................

It should make whoever bought it a nice gun, anyway.

MM

I just sold it today MM, based on all of the input on this thread. I even referred the buyer to this thread so he could read about it.

Congrats.

BigCry,

Did you tell her,that I'm the gent who knows what a run of the fhuqking mill ADL looks like,as you filled out more Hurt Feeler Reports...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fascinatingly HILARIOUS,that the only thing you can "do" in the first hand is Whine from your couchbound kchunt. Hint. LAUGHING!

Pardon my opening Mail and going Retrostalgic,mainly because I can. Hint.

LAUGHING!



Bless your heart,for doing your best,with what INCREDIBLE little you "have" to "work" with.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...............

I did little buddy. I also told him that if he didn't believe me about how great you are that he could just ask you. Have a great night my friend.

BigCry,

Being great ain't easy,but it's worth the effort and fortunately for you and your ilk,you get to read about it and gawk the Splendid Pixels as you "live" vicariously...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

In fairness however,run of the mill ADL's are VERY fhuqking "tricky" for you and your ilk. Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford' to "contribute". Hint. LAUGHING!

Gotsta' tie up more rigging,Reload a smidge,open more Mail and yank a spout so I can send a receiver to The Plumber. Don't worry,I'll take pics,you can "partake" too,if only because it's as fhuqking close as you will EVER get to "doing". Hint.

LAUGHING!



Bless your heart,for doing your best,with what INCREDIBLE little you "have" to "work" with.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..........

That's what I was going to say, the Ti stock wasn't around in 1994.