Planning a Wyoming Antelope hunt next year or next depending on outfitters. What Caliber is recommended?
What do you own?
I have a #1 in 25-06 and a WBY Accumark in .257 WBY that I consider perfect for my style of hunting. My best ‘lope was taken on a mixed bag hunt at 460 yards with a .300 WBY launching 180 NABs. It worked to say the least.
My 270 has worked out well on the last three pronghorn. Honestly they are so small compared to our deer any of the 6.5’s work fine too. Last year we had a guy show up with a 300 Weatherby. He got his pronghorn too but the shot dressed out the goat for him and carried it to his truck.
I've used a 270win and a 30-06. Next hunt will be with a 270win.
I am partial to 6mm and .257” chamberings. We killed them this year with .243, 6mm-06, .25-06 (two guns) and a 7mm-08.
I’ve killed most of mine with a .264 Win mag. 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip and the 125 gr Participation both work well.
Killed a few with a 6mm Remington. 80 grain Corelokt also works well.
Most of my Pronghorn have been taken with a .257 Weatherby, and 100 gr. Barnes bullets. This season, I used a 6.5 PRC to take my buck. With high-BC bullets giving less wind deflection, I think the 6.5 PRC is an excellent choice for the game.
Pronghorn makes me automatically think 25-06 or 257 Wby.
GreggH
Hard to go wrong with a speedy .24, .25, or .26
But if you've got some 30-06 200 NPTs left over from another hunt, they work great too.
Pretty much anything that you use to hunt deer that has a relatively flat trajectory and meets the minimal caliber requirements of the state you will hunt in, will work quite well on Antelope. There’s also pretty much no such thing as too much rifle....at least in a rifle/cartridge that can be comfortably carried and fired from the shoulder! We, my wife and I, hunt Antelope with cartridges that many consider unnecessary for elk, moose, ect! You merely hunt within the acceptable limits of your cartridge and your skills! memtb
Killed my 1st speed goat with a 257 Roberts. Have taken some with my 6.5 Creedmoor and the rest have been with either the 6mm Remington or 6mm Creedmoor.
Lots of things work. I've used 6mm Remington, 7WSM and 28 Nosler.
I have a switch barrel rifle with .30-06, .243, 6.5x55 and .300WSM.
My son has the same rifle in .300wsm
Thought the .243 and 6.5x55 would do the job
My 30-06 w/130gr Barns TTSX kills 'em dead well out past 400 yards....
Just looked through my hunting notes and found that over the decades have taken pronghorns with 20 different cartridges, ranging from the .22-250 to .300 WSM, including some slightly unusual ones, such as the 6.5x57R I used on a buck a week ago, from one of my Sauer drillings. The .22-250 worked fine with 70-grain Hornady GMXs at 3400 fps, taking a 15" buck at 350 yards.
The .300 WSM was used on three, back in the day when it was new Wonder Cartridge, and by the 3rd one I knew that 180-grain bullets would drift less in the wind, and shoot up less meat than the 150s most people picked.
Have also seen a bunch of antelope taken by other people, including my wife and several people I guided back in the 1980s for a local outfitter.
The only problems occurred when somebody was "overgunned," and couldn't handle the recoil. One was young man who planned to become an Alaskan guide, and his only rifle was a .338 Winchester Magnum. He could NOT hit an antelope with it, even at close ranges, and I finally worked him down through smaller cartridges until finding the only one that didn't make him flinch (due to his "training" with the .338) was my .220 Swift coyote rifle. The next morning we found a fine buck, and he killed it with one shot.
One other guy was overgunned with a new 7mm Remington Magnum, which he'd purchased due to being convinced the .243 Winchester he'd left back home in Pennsylvania couldn't shot "far" enough for pronghorns.
One other comment: After new pronghorn hunters find out how good they taste, they often regret shooting up so much fine meat with a larger cartridge and/or violently expanding bullet.
I have a switch barrel rifle with .30-06, .243, 6.5x55 and .300WSM.
My son has the same rifle in .300wsm
I have a switch barrel rifle with .30-06, .243, 6.5x55 and .300WSM.
My son has the same rifle in .300wsm
Any of those are great.
I’ve killed most of mine with a .264 Win mag. 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip and the 125 gr Participation both work well.
Killed a few with a 6mm Remington. 80 grain Corelokt also works well.
Antelope aren’t hard to kill, in my experience.
Yeah shoot whatever you like. They're easy to kill. Just know your windage.
“Overgunned” as eluded to by Mule Deer is certainly a problem..... though, a shooter problem and not an Antelope killing problem! No one should be shooting any game animal with any firearm/cartridge that they are not competent or confident with .... no matter the cartridge!
I also agree, that shooting Antelope (or any game animal classified as eatable) with a highly frangible or violently expanding bullet @ high velocities .....IMO borders on a criminal act! In Wyoming “Wanton Waste” of a game animal is considered a crime. Knowingly using a cartridge/bullet combination that creates massive, unnecessary damage to edible portions of a game animal should be classified as “Wanton Waste”!
I’m certain that this opinion is not welcomed by some hunters(?) / sportsmen(?) ! memtb
Nothing special.
If you've got money to waste look at a .264wm, .25-06, any of the 6.5s,... Those all come to mind when I think of antelope.
-Jake
Use whatever’s comfortable for you. My grandpa only ever used a 30/30 with open sights, anything else would be better than that.
One other comment: After new pronghorn hunters find out how good they taste, they often regret shooting up so much fine meat with a larger cartridge and/or violently expanding bullet.
Very true.
One of these days, I'm going to have to make a trip for the pronghorn.
I’ve killed most of mine with a .264 Win mag. 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip and the 125 gr Participation both work well.
Killed a few with a 6mm Remington. 80 grain Corelokt also works well.
Antelope aren’t hard to kill, in my experience.
Hit one wrong once. They have to be about the toughest animal in the entire World with a bullet in the Paunch
A fast twist .220 Swift has taken a number of nice bucks for me.......
I've always considered the.257 wby the quintessential antelope cartridge. Wish I still had mine. But my .270 wby and 6mm creedmoor will kill em deader than Biden's brain cells just fine.
.224 TTH with a 75 grain A-Max has worked well fore me.
I used a 270 quite a bit then switched to a 7-08, and then, for the past decade or so it's I've used a fast twist 243.
I've guided for them quite a bit. We've had guys use 22-250 to 300 Win Mags. They all worked if the hunter could shoot.
Something in the 22-250/243/6.5 Creed/7-08 range is good medicine.
I’ve never killed one but if I were to go on a lope hunt.
I’d be taking my 6.5 CM with 130s or the 270 win with 140s as I’m consistent to 600 yards
.243 and .25-06 are the first two cartridges that come to mind for me when I think antelope. I’m hoping to use my .25-06 for them next fall.
Antelope are easy and fun to hunt. Almost anything will work if you hunt them in the badlands and away from the crowds and roads. You can sneak up a coulee and get close, more fun that way.
Now wide open plains with roads and other hunters.... well , fast and flat with high B.C. bullets is your huckleberry.....
I guess in campfire tradition I didn't answer the op's question..... soo the caliber I choose is 24 cal. followed by 26 cal. Case doesn't matter much, a fast twist barrel and a high B.C. bullet helps as does velocity.
Shot my last one with a custom 1/8 twist 240 Wby. with a 115gr Berger vld. Next one will be a 1/8 twist 220 swift with a 75 gr Amax
I guess in campfire tradition I didn't answer the op's question..... soo the caliber I choose is 24 cal. followed by 26 cal. Case doesn't matter much, a fast twist barrel and a high B.C. bullet helps as does velocity.
Shot my last one with a custom 1/8 twist 240 Wby. with a 115gr Berger vld. Next one will be a 1/8 twist 220 swift with a 75 gr Amax
I think that the majority of people did give an answer! Most gave the cartridge/caliber they use and have success with. I probably gave the least specific answer, or perhaps I answered most appropriately! 🤔 memtb
Well, at least you didn't say .375 this time.. Ha ha.. We know Mrs. memtb would be using a .338 too..
Between my wife , myself and a hunting buddy. We have used .223, 6mm rem, 257 roberts , 30/30, and 300wby.
When my buddy shot a decent buck at 75 yds with his 300wby and 180 partitions, I was thinking alot of wasted meat, nope nice little hole in and out and d
DRT.
I shot a doe at 200 with my 300wby and no wasted meat.
But the trip I enjoyed the most I shot my 257 bob in Ruger #1
Jeff
.24, .25 and .26 at just about perfect calibers for pronghorns in my opinion and experiences and any of the others mentioned are just fine also. They are small and typically shot a little further away so flat trajectory and accuracy are helpful. Like MD indicated though the less meat you waste the happier you’ll be. Pronghorn is probably my favorite game animal relative to table fare.
That said I have used a .250 Savage,6mm Remington and .260 Remington several times and a .240 Weatherby lately.
PennDog
Id like a .25-06 Ruger #1B if i get out to chase em some day
I've taken them with a .243 Win, .257 Roberts, 270 Win, 264 Win Mag, 300 Win Mag, .338Win Mag and seen them taken with a 25-06, 30-06 and 300 WBY. The.264 and then the .270 are what I mostly carry now. Something to buck the wind and carry the mail out to pretty good distance. The problem with that idea is I don't think I have killed an antelope past 250 yards. The terrain I hunt in is broken up enough I can usually get close. My favorite way to hunt them was to use the terrain to get close and even low crawling (military guys will know) to get past little to no concealment and have been within a herd one time and within 25 yards on several occasions. The lighter rifles are great for that, but I did it once with the .264.
With older age and more limiting mobility coming on shooting at distance is becoming a better option so I'll stick with the .270, .264 and now a .257 WBY.
I had to come back to fix a mistake. The farthest was at 360 from the .270 Win.
I've killed a couple with a 270 and a couple with a 308. Both were fine. My Grandpa used a 30-06 on them
Id like a .25-06 Ruger #1B if i get out to chase em some day
I remember when the 25-06 was the Premier cartridge for antelope IN the Gun Rags.
Jerry
Well, at least you didn't say .375 this time.. Ha ha.. We know Mrs. memtb would be using a .338 too..
I was trying to be “politically correct”! 😉 memtb
If antelope are evolving like elk, I think you'd start at 375HH and would really be safe at 470NE. Can't risk the bullet deflecting back at you if you hit shoulder.
If I was to build an ideal antelope rifle from scratch it would be the 6mm-06. Lots of good bullet choices, velocity to spare, easy to shoot and easy to find and make brass.
Come to think of it I already did and have since got bored with it. Now the Mrs. uses it all the time.
I can put anybody on that gun and they seem to shoot it well.
I've shot over 70 head of antelope. Nothing over 25-06 is needed. 243,6 mm, and 257 are all good. Anything more you are just beating on your eating. Yeah I said that fug anyone who don 't like that. Mb
I used a plain old .270 Win. on my one and only antelope hunt. Worked just fine.
Paul B.
The first two antelope I shot was with my Dad's 243. Then I got a 270 Win for Deer hunting. I used the 270 for all my antelopes after that. I would like to shoot another one with the 243 again. Normally anything you have for deer will work for an antelope. I do have a 7-30 Waters that might be fun antelope hunting with it does not have the range I am looking for. If I was to build a gun for antelope hunting I would look in the 6, 6.5 or 7 mm. I have been hunting with people using the 30.06 and it kills them too.
Classic cartridge for this is .257 Wby magnum. I like the 115 grain Nosler.
I have a switch barrel rifle with .30-06, .243, 6.5x55 and .300WSM.
My son has the same rifle in .300wsm
You've had lots of good advice here. I echo that "goats" are pretty easy to kill, so any your rifles are fine. I would take whichever rifle and load you can shoot the best with. If there is a tie in that contest, take the rifle/load with the better BC, to make dealing with the wind, which unless you're very lucky, WILL be a bear in Wyoming.
Good luck - I leave for Montana for pronghorn on Wednesday myself. It's windy there too.
Rex
Id like a .25-06 Ruger #1B if i get out to chase em some day
I remember when the 25-06 was the Premier cartridge for antelope IN the Gun Rags.
Jerry
Yep, WY resident Bob Milek used, liked and wrote about the 25-06 for pronghorn quite a bit. I'd take his word on it.
257Roberts, 260Rem and 7-08 are my choices for antelope
If I ever go, I’ll probably take my best windbucker, my 6CM with long pointy bullets like 115gr Bergers…
Or a .270…..
.300 PRC at least, don't want those tough ass speed goats shrugging it off.
What do you own?
I have a #1 in 25-06 and a WBY Accumark in .257 WBY that I consider perfect for my style of hunting..
These are my first choices as well except a M-70 fast twist 1-8" .257 Wby. and a Ruger No.1 with a 28" barrel 1-10" and another M-70 with a Bartlein 25-06 Barrel 1-9" twist. Two others are the 6.5-06 AI and 280 AI.
Really anything from 6mm to 7mm Rem Mag. is ideal. I don't like more recoil than the 7 mags as you may be shooting from an awkward prone position. The 22s from 223 on up are also viable but if traveling a long ways I would only go with the bigger 22s and longer bullets as you can almost count on wind being a factor.
Wyoming is where a lot of the using a plow chain (or insert any heavy object) for a wind gauge jokes come from. Even the 25s with conventional bullets will be affected, less so for heavier VLD type bullets.
243-257-264-270
Seems like a 25-06 is to antelope what a 7mm RM is to deer. 25-06 is just a real sweet/fun cartridge.
lately, I use .240 Weatherby, .257 Weatherby or .264 Win Mag. They are what I have been playing with for open prairie hunting. Love them all. They are not tough. They have great eyesight and they are fast. You need something you can shoot accurately and possibly out to some distance.
I know what you did there !! lol
Jerry
I know what you did there !! lol
Jerry
Hee hee hee. Me too….
Planning a Wyoming Antelope hunt next year or next depending on outfitters. What Caliber is recommended?
If you have a 30-06, .270, .280, 7mm xxx Mag or .300 xxx Mag you have what you need. So pretty much everyone that hunts out west is good. Just pick good bullets with high BC. to fight the wind.
BUT.....IF I was going to go out and buy a gun specifically for Pronghorn it would be a 25-06 or its big brother the .257 Wby. And still pick good bullets with high BC to fight the wind.
I've shot most of them with a 7mm Rem Mag, which is way more than you need. Reason being it is my primary big game rifle and shoot it better than anything else, so I take it for everything. The last one I used a 150 TTSX which didn't ruin near as much meat. I shot a couple with the 150 NBT and it left softball size exits even out past 350 yards. I shot one with a .30-06. Partners have used a .222 Rem, .243, .25-06, .270 Win and .300 Win Mag.
I might use my .223 with a 62 TSX on the next one. They aren't hard to kill if you hit them right the first time, otherwise they are tough buzzards to be sure.
A fast 6mm or .25 is probably about perfect. I had my son shoot his first one with a .25-06, DRT, not a lot of meat damage. Hard to beat that. He had the same result on his first whitetail using a .223.
have taken all of mine with handguns.
I'm partial to the 25-06.
Works for me, as do many calibers.
Let’s see 223, 22-250, 243, 250 Savage, 25-06, 257 Wby, 260, 6.5x55, 270, 280, 308, 300 WSM, probably forgot something.
All that to say cartridge doesn’t matter, shot placement does.
Ironically the longest shot I’ve ever personally took a pronghorn at was 309 yards with the 223 coincidentally.
The last one I killed was with a 240 Wby Mag, almost perfect in my opinion. Starting new, I'd go with a 6mm Creedmoor.
I've killed most of my antelope over the past 35+ years here in Wyoming with a 30.06 Some with a 25.06 and even a couple with a .35 Whelen. Nowadays after shoulder surgery I'm using a .243 or a .223. A .223 Remington with a mono bullet works just fine.
I shot my first one ever this year with a 6.5 Creedmoor with a 16" Q Fix and a 140gr S&B bullet I paid about $13 for per box. Dropped immediately, kicked and bled out for about 45 seconds.
If I ever get the chance to do it again. I'll take my Fieldcraft in 224V.
6mm creedmoor if u just want an excuse to buy a new rifle.
Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps. Rather impressive drop/drift and still over 1100 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards. And it’s kid friendly for an added bonus.
Beyond 300 yards, a 6CM is a lot more than just another factory 243.
6mm creedmoor if u just want an excuse to buy a new rifle.
Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps. Rather impressive drop/drift and still over 1100 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards. And it’s kid friendly for an added bonus.
Beyond 300 yards, a 6CM is a lot more than just another factory 243.
I've had those ballistics in my 6mm Rem a long time. No new rifle needed and NO man bun.
Jerry
6mm creedmoor if u just want an excuse to buy a new rifle.
Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps. Rather impressive drop/drift and still over 1100 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards. And it’s kid friendly for an added bonus.
Beyond 300 yards, a 6CM is a lot more than just another factory 243.
I've had those ballistics in my 6mm Rem a long time. No new rifle needed and NO man bun.
Jerry
What bullet and twist rate? To match the ballistics cited at 500 yards means you must be shooting a pretty slippery bullet in your 6mm Rem.
Jordan I don't remember xactly if the Rem 6mm has a 9 or 9 1/2 twist ?
" Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps"
Wesley2 used 100 Sierra Gamechanger and
3100 fps is no trip for a 22" bll 6mm Rem.
Jerry
Jordan I don't remember xactly if the Rem 6mm has a 9 or 9 1/2 twist ?
" Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps"
Wesley2 used 100 Sierra Gamechanger and
3100 fps is no trip for a 22" bll 6mm Rem.
Jerry
I think what Jordan meant is you could easily get the 3100 with it Jerry but your M6 doesn’t have the twist to handle that bullet. But I get what you meant.
Lope aren't hard to kill, but can be hard to hit with the wyoming wind...
I’ve taken em with 257 AI, 6mm-250, 257 Rob, and 7-08.
.25-06, .270 Win, .30-06, .243, .260, .308, whatever.
They’ll all work.
I’ve killed most of mine with a .264 Win mag. 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip and the 125 gr Participation both work well.
Killed a few with a 6mm Remington. 80 grain Corelokt also works well.
Antelope aren’t hard to kill, in my experience.
Hit one wrong once. They have to be about the toughest animal in the entire World with a bullet in the Paunch
Pronghorns are thin skinned (practically tear the hide with your hands), fragile muscle (tear that with your hands too), hollow bones. But if not hit in the front half can be very tenacious. I learned that lesson myself.
[quote=jwall]Jordan I don't remember xactly if the Rem 6mm has a 9 or 9 1/2 twist ?
" Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps"
Wesley2 used 100 Sierra Gamechanger and
3100 fps is no trip for a 22" bll 6mm Rem.
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I think what Jordan meant is you could easily get the 3100 with it Jerry but your M6 doesn’t have the twist to handle that bullet. But I get what you meant.
Thanks B, IIRC Rem's twist in the 6mm is 1/9. How much faster twist OR how much diff is 1/8 over 1/9 ?
Jerry
6mm creedmoor if u just want an excuse to buy a new rifle.
Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps. Rather impressive drop/drift and still over 1100 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards. And it’s kid friendly for an added bonus.
Beyond 300 yards, a 6CM is a lot more than just another factory 243.
My 243AI will drive a 100g Partition almost that fast.
6mm creedmoor if u just want an excuse to buy a new rifle.
Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps. Rather impressive drop/drift and still over 1100 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards. And it’s kid friendly for an added bonus.
Beyond 300 yards, a 6CM is a lot more than just another factory 243.
I've had those ballistics in my 6mm Rem a long time. No new rifle needed and NO man bun.
Jerry
🙄 Post up a link to a new 6mm Rem the OP can buy that will stabilize that bullet…..I’ll wait. This post is about the OP’s caliber of choice, not your antique.
If the 260 Rem had the proper twist, the 6.5 creedmoor wouldn’t exist, same for the 6mm Rem and 6CM.
[quote=jwall]Jordan I don't remember xactly if the Rem 6mm has a 9 or 9 1/2 twist ?
" Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps"
Wesley2 used 100 Sierra Gamechanger and
3100 fps is no trip for a 22" bll 6mm Rem.
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I think what Jordan meant is you could easily get the 3100 with it Jerry but your M6 doesn’t have the twist to handle that bullet. But I get what you meant.
Thanks B, IIRC Rem's twist in the 6mm is 1/9. How much faster twist OR how much diff is 1/8 over 1/9 ?
Jerry
No sure you can run the Gamechanger in a 6mm Remington SA and not be seated too deep. I have some at home I should seat to 2.8" and see if the ogive is getting below the case mouth.
Since you have that switch barrel rifle ( I'm jealous BTW) I would set up two out of the three best- .243; 6.5 Swede; 30-06. But would load the Barnes 80TTSx to 95 NBT in the 243; the outstanding 120 NBT for the Swede (or 125PT) and either the Barnes 130TTSX or 125 NBT in the 30-06 (but don't go over about 3000 n the 30-06 with the 125NBT). The "Wind" out on those short-grass praries are demons from hell! ha Take shooting sticks and take your shots from the sit (hard to get prone most of the time what with taller grass/weeds, cactus and more cactus) Hopefully you have the right tastebuds for them. I don't...may as well be roadkill for me, yuck! ha I get it processed then give it away to those friends who do like it. Its beautiful meat, just too "goaty" for me.
Take two rifles if possible or at least shoot your partners rifle so you can use it as a spare, scopes go out, trash gets in the trigger, several things "can" happen to any rifle, I'm sure you know this, just saying. have a Ball! They are so pretty, move all during the day, a great hunt to take a youngster or first timer out to hunt.
6mm creedmoor if u just want an excuse to buy a new rifle.
Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps. Rather impressive drop/drift and still over 1100 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards. And it’s kid friendly for an added bonus.
Beyond 300 yards, a 6CM is a lot more than just another factory 243.
I've had those ballistics in my 6mm Rem a long time. No new rifle needed and NO man bun.
Jerry
🙄 Post up a link to a new 6mm Rem the OP can buy that will stabilize that bullet…..I’ll wait. This post is about the OP’s caliber of choice, not your antique.
If the 260 Rem had the proper twist, the 6.5 creedmoor wouldn’t exist, same for the 6mm Rem and 6CM.
The Ruger American should handle it but if buying a new rifle I would go Creedmoor if something other than a 243.
10 gauge
My 6mm is a Rem M Six and NOT a short action in the true sense. Magazine is long enuff.
On top of that, I have loaded and shot 'compressed' loads for years. ie 7828 in 270 under 130 s.
Mule Deer has talked about this principle more than a couple of times.
I don't own nor will own a true S A rifle.
Jerry
17 fireball in a long action just makes so much sense......
10 gauge
My 6mm is a Rem M Six and NOT a short action in the true sense. Magazine is long enuff.
On top of that, I have loaded and shot 'compressed' loads for years. ie 7828 in 270 under 130 s.
Mule Deer has talked about this principle more than a couple of times.
I don't own nor will own a true S A rifle.
Jerry
Wasn't talking compressed. Was talking about the sleek ogive being in the case mouth. Doubt it hurts a damn thing just mentioned it.
And I was talking the diff in a Pump rifle magazine compared to a S A bolt plus compressed loads.
No Harm No Foul
Jerry
I should get out and try some in my BDL 6mm. They are loaded to the lands and won't fit the mag.
Should see how they shoot or look like a shotgun pattern.
Tomorrow I will measure my magazine for the Mod Six 6 mm.
I have no doubt it is longer than a S A bolt mag.
Jerry
Have also seen a bunch of antelope taken by other people, including my wife and several people I guided back in the 1980s for a local outfitter.
The only problems occurred when somebody was "overgunned," and couldn't handle the recoil. One was young man who planned to become an Alaskan guide, and his only rifle was a .338 Winchester Magnum. He could NOT hit an antelope with it, even at close ranges, and I finally worked him down through smaller cartridges until finding the only one that didn't make him flinch (due to his "training" with the .338) was my .220 Swift coyote rifle. The next morning we found a fine buck, and he killed it with one shot.
John, as an aside, I believe I was in 8th grade when I read the hunting story you wrote about the young hunter and your .220 Swift, approximately 1984 if I remember correctly. I remember that story well, as it was one of my favorites and led me to one day owning a .220 Swift, which I still have.
Greg Perry
And I was talking the diff in a Pump rifle magazine compared to a S A bolt plus compressed loads.
No Harm No Foul
Tomorrow I will measure my magazine for the Mod Six 6 mm.
I have no doubt it is longer than a S A bolt mag.
I have measured and taken pix of TWO diff pump rifle magazines (clips grin)
First, some people mistakenly believe there are S A & L A in 760s, 7600s & Sixes.
Here are the mags from a 30-06 (L) and a 6mm Rem ( R)
NOTE: the OAL of both magazines are the same. The followers are different to accommodate diff cartridges.
I can take pix of my Model Sixes in 6mm Rem, 270 W, & 30-06 > the pump mechanism is the SAME length for all.
There is no bolt stop to shorten the pump throw (action) in a 243, 6mm Rem, 308 W etc.
Second >> here's a pic of the magazine for the 6mm Rem.
I have measured to my BEST ability using one hand to place the micrometer and the other to take pic.
I apologize for some glare. That's the best I could place things for the pic.
The 6mm Rem INSIDE max length is 2.955
UIM (unless I'm Mistaken) that is longer than most S A bolt magazines. That allows for longer seating of
long 'slippery' bullets.
NOTE ! Due to photo management of my Imgur account >> These pictures will disappear in a week or so.
Jerry
So I am not the only one that ran into the 6mm mag length thing in my Remington.
All the more reason to use the 85hpbt I guess.
Still have a few loaded but will have to revert to 100 Pro Hunters because of the damned shortages.
I`ve been lucky enough to have killed a few with my 250AI and 100 grn Sierra`s. One year I felt the need to take the Sharps, 45x110x 450 PP bullet using irons only. No range finder at the time.That was a challenge, and balls of fun. Try it.
So I am not the only one that ran into the 6mm mag length thing in my Remington.
All the more reason to use the 85hpbt I guess.
Still have a few loaded but will have to revert to 100 Pro Hunters because of the damned shortages.
You can always run it as a 2 shooter like I do if loading to the lands. 1 in the barrel and the one in mag isn't actually down in the box.
I have some 90 grain Ballistic Tips that are at mag length and shooting under 1/2" so I am no longer worried about loading long.
I have a switch barrel rifle with .30-06, .243, 6.5x55 and .300WSM.
My son has the same rifle in .300wsm
abbydog,
Is your switch barrel rifle user friendly and easy to hit with in the field? If so, any barrel that you put on it will be good to go
For a lot of years I carried a Ruger 77 .243 as my primary hunting rifle wherever I went. And I mostly used an 85 or 90 gr bullet for about everything I shot.
I choose my rifles based on looks almost as much on performance. And it's gotta feel good in my hands. And it's gotta shoot where I look, and do so from field positions
If you've got a rifle you like to shoot, take it with you wherever you go and make it your antelope, deer, coyote, and bear rifle
If I'd started life with a .250 Savage (or a .243) in a model 99, I'd likely still be stuck there. Because I wanted to be.
And I am a fan of High B.C. and velocity...
But give me a good looking good handling rifle that I can hit with at 200 yards or so and get out of my way while I hunt.
Bring the one you shoot the best.
It's 98% about your abilities and 2% about the tool you use.
I have killed pronghorns with the following.
243 Ruger #1 Scoped
6MM Remington Scoped
25-06 Mauser Scoped
6.5X54 M/S (iron sights)
6.5X55 Swede (2 different rifles, both scoped)
6.8 SPC (2 different rifles both scoped)
270 Winchester. 5 different rifles 2 of which had iron sights only)
7X57 scoped
7MM Weatherby Mag Scoped
300 Savage (2 different rifles both with iron sights only)
308 Winchester (3 different rifles 1 with irons and 2 scoped)
30-06 (2 different rifles, Iron sights only)
30/378 Weatherby Scoped
303 British (Iron sights)
8X57 scoped and irons
357 mag (3 handguns all stock with factory iron sights)
35 Remington (with iron sights)
9.3X57 iron sights
9.3X74R Ruger #1 Scoped
375H&H Scoped
44 magnum carbine with iron sights
44 mag handguns (4 of them, all with only factory sights)
50 Cal flintlock
62 Cal flintlock
Laminated long bow with wood arrows.
I enjoyed all my hunts and the ones I feel the best about were those I got at close ranges with iron sights.
But no matter what you bring, remember it's about YOU not your gun.
I say again: Bring what you shoot best
A 270 Win via an older M700 ADL in a first gen B&C LW take off and 130 gr Hornady American Whitetail...
[quote=jwall]Jordan I don't remember xactly if the Rem 6mm has a 9 or 9 1/2 twist ?
" Run the numbers on a 100gr Sierra Gamechanger moving along at 3100 fps"
Wesley2 used 100 Sierra Gamechanger and
3100 fps is no trip for a 22" bll 6mm Rem.
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I think what Jordan meant is you could easily get the 3100 with it Jerry but your M6 doesn’t have the twist to handle that bullet. But I get what you meant.
Thanks B, IIRC Rem's twist in the 6mm is 1/9. How much faster twist OR how much diff is 1/8 over 1/9 ?
Jerry
You might get away with the SIerra. Just depends. They call for an 8 on that bullet. You’ve got plenty of Mag space.
Planning a Wyoming Antelope hunt next year or next depending on outfitters. What Caliber is recommended?
.257 caliber
.244 caliber
.264 caliber
A 6mm will drop them like a bad habit.
A 6mm will drop them like a bad habit.
This.
A 6mm will drop them like a bad habit.
I remember reading in the gun/hunting rags in 80s and 90s that the 243/6mm
set the bar high for 1 shot DRT.
Jerry
A 6mm will drop them like a bad habit.
This.
The .240 Weatherby Magnum. The supreme 6mm for Antelope!
Not an expert by any means, but I've shot deer and one antelope with my new favorite .270 with 110 gr Barnes ttsx. Can't imagine needing anything more unless you plan on extreme long range
25-06 , 7-08 , 6.5x55 , .243 would all do well . If I knew my shots would all be on the long side I would take the 6.5x55 or the 25-06 in that order . If all shots would most likely be under 300 yards the 7-08 or the .243 would both easily do the job and have the very slight short action advantage of a few ounces less weight.
All I use on goats and deer out here, (wy) is my 6x6.8, 90g bullet and a 6x45 with 85g sierra.
6mm is my go to for them. No thing more needed.
A lot of shooters I take out use a 708, 6.5 variations, 270 win, 2506, nothing bigger 98% of the time. They are not hard to drop.
I have a Kimber Montana in 1:8 22-250 that shoots 75gn A-max's well. I suspect that'll be what I use when I finally draw a tag.
[quote=abbydog]Planning a Wyoming Antelope hunt next year or next depending on outfitters. What Caliber is recommend
CERTAINLY no expert but I have seen them shot with 223, 243, 257 Roberts, 25-06, 6.5 creeds, 270 WSM, 270 win, 7-08, 280 rem, 7 rem mag, 308, and 30-06. they all seem to breathe their last the same, makes no difference!
With antelope, it is not “how tough the animal is,” but, rather, “how tough the wind is.”
This years antelope
22 creedmoor in Wyoming
6.5-300 Wby in Montana
7MM-08 shooting 120 grain BT's works pretty well on antelopes.
A different 6mm, a 6 XC worked on this one just fine
I hate to restart a dead thread but I've been researching this same deal and wanted to thank everyone for all the info. I also found this webpage that had some good insight as well if any of you or others finding this thread are interested.
Here is the link I was talking about.
Top Pronghorn Cartridges
My first wife and I killed well over 225 antelope in our lives.. I like the 6mm/25's but I have had some run quite a distance shot through the lungs.. I remember one standing doe at 400 yards, lazered, .257 WM 100 gr. NBTBT, 6.5-20 Leupold with dots to 600 yards.. perfect lung shot.. She ran 250+ + yards.. It was easy to follow her as we were in a flat area.. In rough country it would have been different.. I like the .270 win. my late wife's favorite was our old 7mm Rem. Mag. with 140 NBTBT.. Some folks just love antelope meat.. It also makes the best jerky you will ever taste.. This fall I only shot 2 one with my 6mm and one with a .30-06. We have shot them or seen them shot with everything from .22LR to 375 H & H and .45-70..
7mm-08
Or a 7mm-08
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300WM. Last one I shot, held 12" over his shoulder at 500 yards.
I miss that rifle
I shot mine last year with my .264 .......certainly worked.
This year .260 Rem with 129 ABLR.......actually have shot at least 3 with the .260.
Lefty
THAT is a great antelope
Lety