I experimented and shot 3 deer this year with a 7mm08 with 120 grain barnes x bullets at 2700 fps and all ran at least 50 yards (one about 100 yards) with good chest hits. There were no good blood trails as well. A couple of deer shot last year(one this year) with the 45/70 with 350 grain bullet at about 2100 fps all went less than 50 yards (some 0 yards). Big Bores slam the animals and when they do run(rare) what a blood trail to follow. I know it is not scientific but In thick parts of Alabama which is most of it, The 45/70 is King with less deer lost!! Thats my story and I am sticking to it

Sonny

why were you running them so slow??

It is a funny story,points awarded,for humor..............

Damn... 7/08 vs. .45-70...

Apples vs. oranges...

Hardly...............

What part of bama are you hunting. I am not big on 7-08 myself I think it is a great gun just not well suited for bama but the long shot does exsist in alabama that 45-70 going to sink like a rock

GPS coordinates,affect performance?

This might could get GOOD..................

Hey a 45-70 will buck brush...................grin

Less spin drift too,because velocity is more sedate................

Eskimos do not know anything about shooting through privets /sweetgumm saplings do they

Have Shot deer in thickets,swamps,and open.
A clear lane to get the bullet thru is king.

jc; you don't shoot THROUGH stuff often... through holes and gaps in it, yes, but not through the stuff.

BT/DT, and yeah, we know a bit about those things up here, too.

I guess I should keep this post to myself, but of the 10 or so deer I have shot with the 7/08, only one took a step after catching that little .284" sleeping pill. It was a 130 grain Speer HotCor, that was loaded on the mild side. Otherwise, they tend to look like someone jerked a rug out from under them.

I admit to having never shot a deer with a .45-70, and while I am sure it is a fine deer, hog and black bear slayer, I am also sure that the thickets in Alabama aren't a whole lot thicker than they are in Kentucky. Further, I doubt that the deer are on steroids or crystal meth down there.

If you are happy hunting with the .45-70, then keep at it, but I would never be afraid to shoot deer for deer with you. I will give you 20.00 every time one of mine runs, if you will do the same every time one of yours runs. First man to collect 100.00 wins.

yep but you know it is not always that simple im going to say clear lane with a 300 winny for back up is king

Id take a 7-08 hunting over a lead sled 45-70 in bama any day but neither is king

it is like comparing a porsche to a vw bug

Know nothing about the 7-08,X-bullets,Venison,nor brush.



Enlighten me,I'd like to learn about them things.............

LOOK LIKE GRAS TO ME LOLOL

What was your GPS coordinates on that moose? Probably wouldn't work in Kotzebue.........grin

standing in a cane break a 150 yards

That was my svelte presentation,to get the hook into your now wide-open mouth.

I'll take the hook out easy and we'll see if you can see the next one coming.

I've my doubts.....................

That is a moose im from Alabama enlighten me i thoght they were considered big game (or is that just a real small one) LOLOLOLOL

Name a State in which Deer are not classified as Big Game?

I can learn you,but I can tell none of it is going to stick....................

Yer moose looks like a unicorn. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Apparently, you musta shot it a couple times with that "poor, weak, not-sufficient-for-whitetails" round. 'Course, moose are nowhere's near as tough to kill as those armour plated Alabama bucks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

It will stick you just got to me about the gps cordinate comment ,brush makes a hell of a difference on cartridge selection

Brush makes zero difference,as does GPS coordinates....................

Ya, like if there's brush, it don't matter what cartridge you're shooting -- DON'T! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Forgot to mention,that'd be two casts in a row,into that gaping hole.

I reckon it won't take me long,to become an Ace....................

smaller faster bullets are easier deflected than heavier slower loads

That's been disproven in just about every study done on the subject. Both small/fast and heavy/slow suck going through brush. Pick a hole and shoot through it.

AMEN!

3 casts in a row...and I'm CERTAIN #4 is just around the corner..................

You running Gamakasu trebles? They'll near about snag anything. Sticky little devils... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

A man could go barbless,in these waters...............

True. Have noticed here of late, the fishin' is way easy.

Or "catching" is I should say...

There are no casts being made though. Only Trolling.

Weagle

Here is a sponner bait LOL
COMMON HORSE SINCE
the more energy a bullet has the more brush can take away from it and the bullet remain lethal

Setup an experiment and try it. The problem ain't remaining energy, it's that the bullets deflected off course. Size doesn't matter, they all get deflected by even a tiny amount of brush.

4 in a row,there's no stopping you................

A toyato hits a cow it is knocked off course a frieght train hits a cow and never knows it

Stick,

Would that 7mm08 & boolit be the sames you use for clubbing baby seals?

Just wondering ...

- A fellow afficiando of .284 copper boolits

Will Rogers said it best:

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

This ain't a cast...more of a flip.

The 7-08 makes and retains more energy,than the 45-70................

And an RPG probably wouldn't deflect off course when traveling through brush. When it comes to hunting rounds they all deflect.

I am as stubborn as the anyone but ill tell you what when the weather clears up ill put some cane,privet and brush in frot of a target test my 300winny and my 7-08 if it does not make a difference i ll take you on a bama deer hunt if im right you take me on a moose hunt but i want to shoot one with horns like bullwinkle

Whoever you are,you're a BRILLIANT Actor,because noone is that stupid.

#5,looking for #6...............

#6...looking for #7................

Repeats don't count,no matter how funny...initially.

#6 and counting.....................

I've found that the harder you jerk the trigger, the faster the boolit flies..................






But only in certain locales........

ALASKA

dogdoc

I see your new here and may not yet be aware that this forum is dominated by the fans. Since your a player and have actually used the subject rounds that does not count.

Don,

You are the King of [bleep] advice and your reign conitnues.

Congrats!......................

I tried the 7mm-08 and I didn't like the results at all. The .45-70 is 10 times better for deer sized game IMO.

FWIW, center chest hits are pretty much a guarantee that a deer will run. It matters not what you hit them with, provided it is from a shoulder fired rifle.

CAS pretty much sum'd it up. Once in a while a deer will just tip over from a center chest shot but pretty unusual.....

I guess a BMG would be your minimum for elk?..........

Moonshine and keyboards don't mix.

Speaking of chest hit.I've hit a couple of moose in the heart.They jump up on their hinds run 20 feet and tip over.Anyone had that with deer?I'm usually a shoulder breaker but sometime you get lucky.

Generally I like to break shoulders too as to not waste meat but I shot last years moose in the neck and he dropped like he'd been hit with a 10 ton hammer......

When mine come out last fall I was calling and he stood just inside the timber.The wind was wrong but I could see him the rack and the top of the shoulder.He was standing in a hole.Hit him in the top of the lung he fell so fast I didn't know what happened.

He started hacking and I could see the willows waving back and fourth were he fell.Got um but man it happens fast.

Thats the way it should happen, quick and painless...

You bet...My kinda thinking

As I get older, 10 ton hammers get harder to swing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I've gone for a lighter hammer and swing it faster, but I've found that the dern things keep getting deflected by brush on the way to the nails. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Either the slow heavy one, or the light fast ones. I have come to the conclusion that it is not dependent on the size of the hammer, or the speed of the hammer. It is dependent on the brush. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Killing is as easy as you make it and the 7-08 puts a man right in the Stupid Easy Department.

It's a nice place to shop..................

Old myths... die hard... but dead they are, to those that try.

I guess I did make it sound like i shot one deer 2 times, one time last year and again this year.I was posting at work and did not proof read.That would be a good trick but to clarify I shot two with the 45/70 last year and one this year. I will join you and laugh at myself. I am amazed at the response of the post. I shot none of the deer through brush however and was not commenting on ability to accurately shoot through a screen of brush. rather my point is that big bores seem to kill faster in many instances or at least make it easier to track as the blood trail is better. If a deer runs into a young pine plantation or cane swamp ,the blood trail is critical to retrieving the deer (especially at night). My 7mm08 and 243 win leave very little blood trail. I think many so called misses are hits that leave no good blood trail. I do not believe the 45/70 is over kill at all even bear loads like I have been playing with. The meat destruction has been less than with some 30 caliber ballistic tips I have used in the past. It will horrify some that I use a 375 H&H on occasion for deer. Let me at least dream i am shooting a Cape Buffalo. It is all great fun to try different guns and loads on our plentiful Bama
deer.

Sonny

Stick:

The one thing you missed is the the 45-70 has been WAY more cool than the 7-08 since my buddy, Randy, and his Dad and I went out to the desert and shot an Original 45-70 trapdoor carbine when I was 12.

Ka-BOOOOM . . . . . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I've loved the round ever since.. . . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

BMT

I've killed Deer with the 378Wby and good bullets.

None were any deader than those I've shot with the 7-08 and good bullets.........................

Smokepoles are fun too,but they ain't something they ain't.........................

Since the new "primitive" weapon law in Mississippi made the handi-rifle in .38 cal and above, I've killed several with the 45-70 and 444 marlin. Both kill, but neither compare with 7mm-08 performance in thick brush or beanfields.

Does a lightbulb eat its young?

Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?

I think those two questions make more sense than comparing a 7-08 and 45-70.

Good looking swamp donkey, Stick....

He took The Dink Tourney.................

Lazy little bugger.Hadn't shed his velvet.I perfer to shoot the young ones or a 3 year old for table fair reasons.

If we can align schedules this year and have some weather to work with,The Dink Tourney will be on again................

Same as us if no draws.They have open bull seasons which I always take advantage for any bull.I don't see many spikes.I believe our moose hunting regs are modeled after yours with spikes and draws.

Alaska is big,Regulations diverse,for that reason.

Filling a Moose Tag,is just a matter of having the time and weather,to get to them......................

Odd comparison here...I regularly hunt with 7-08's and many big-bore leverguns. I will tell you flat out, bang-floppin' a deer has way more to do with where you hit 'em than what you hit 'em with. Nothin' I shoot at runs far, if at all, with any cartridge...The more experienced you get, the more you find that aiming in the right place for a fast kill becomes second nature, you just do it automatically...........

Kinda lucky live smack in the middle of moose country.7km from my door last year.Since I was off the tit moose was my first solid food.But as time passes I am really digging hard core deer hunting.As long as someone pops a meat moose I'm happy.Got lots of elk but the last bull was so gamey it was sausage stuffers.

The last four deer I killed with my puny little .250 Savage went a grand total of zero yards. I've killed deer with seventeen different calibers, funny thing is putting the bullet in the right spot has always worked regardless of what chambering was used. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Course we don't have thick woods or undergrowth in Georgia like our fellas from Alabama have <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Nothing I shot this past Season,via 223AI,took a single step.

Ranges from under 100yds to I think 486(shot him in the head).

Killing is as easy,as you want it to be................

Almost any rifle will kill quickly with correct bullet placement but when that bullet placement is a little off is when the big bores shine. They allow a LITTLE less perfection and usually leave a good blood trail to follow if needed . I know that many, myself included ,do not always hit them in just the right place. Hell, I even shoot at moving deer both running or walking from standing positions. This type of hunting seems to be frowned upon today. Everybody wants a standing broadside from a rested position or they think it is unsportsman like. This type of hunting was the norm a generation or so back, just read hunting books from the 50s and 60s. In my part of the country (Alabama) where the shots are mostly under 150 yards (less than 50 if you hunt in the woods much) this is a very relavent comparison. I have seen to many deer lost with small bores with less than perfect shots that leave little blood trail in very thick woods.

That's the kind of territory we have up here to hunt in. No such thing as an long range open field shot. We got swamps.
No 10x Binox needed, or big variable powered scopes. I settled on 4x scopes as best for our woods.

Don

Must be nice to hunt in a sparsely vegitated place like that picture. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

dogdoc, try shooting them in the head, they won't go as far........Blake

I love to hear from all these people is always shoot them in a perfect manner. It is when your shot is not perfect that big bores shine. I too have killed alot with perfect shots but I have also made less than perfect shots. Many make less than perfect bullet placement.

Sonny

where you from down here, doc?

This is not a slam,take it for what it's worth.
Get more trigger time.

DD, you are truly clueless..........Blake

Iffun ya can't make good boollitt placement,
DON'T pull da trigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Cain't be more simpler dan dat!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


George

Geez Stick, That's just an Eatin' sized meese! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

They's ALL eating size,. Just more chewing in some'n others. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Eating size is the best size....

Only thing better is who shoots closer to
mechanized extract.

I got tell my wife this! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

My thoughts are , a lost animal is the only loss of meat that bothers me. Put 'er on the ground and you lost nothing.
I like shoulder shots.

I almost always see deer run after a double lunger.

They're on my "someday" list!
I'd be damn happy with an easily extracted eatin sized one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

No matter how good you are shooting, anybody can ,on occasion, pull a shot. I see it every year in various groups I have hunted with. I do shoot alot but anybody can pull a shot, especially in a hunting situation.I shoot handgun competitively and definitely have pulled my share of shots in matches. It is not a perfect world that I live in so I do have a clue. My point about blood trails seems to have been lost.

Fish280,

I am down near Auburn and hunt Lee and surrounding counties. I do not get to go near as much as I like due to work
but go as much as I can. It is about time to start calling coyotes down here. I think I will even use a 7mm08 on them rather than my 45/70. War Eagle !!!

dd, you oughta get along fine with a couple of more heavy duty aubs here.

war eagle and roll tide.

have yet to see a deer run very far with both shoulders broke......Blake

i'd not call it runnin'. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

more like pushin'. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In that case use a 12 gauge rifled barrel with 400 grain slug. Now you're going to say that since that is bigger/heavier than the 45-70 it will deflect less? Should I show you a picture of a branch with a half moon from the slug? Oh, and it DID deflect the slug...

I do a couple Georgia whitetail trips each year with a good friend. He shoots a Ruger #1 45/70 loaded hot as you dare for a #1. I use a Model 7 Remmie 7-08 for that thick southern cover. He drops them where they stand most of the time. The ones I hit make me walk 10 to 20 yards from where they are hit but they are just as dead.

Bang-floppin' deer ain't hard................

1) Placement
2) Bullet selection
3) Cartridge selection

There,you now have a clue,regarding order of importance,as per dealing death.

Thank me later.....................

I guess if the 45/70 is so great then, I wanna know how many people would choose it over the 7mm08 for billy goats......for me it would be the 7mm........no thinkin that one.

Within the range I can shoot it well, I have found no better deer hunting caliber than the 45-70. It's a sure-killin', blood-trailin' mo fo. It gets a bit iffy for me past 150 yards or so, but it ain't cause the gun lacks for whomp. I usually don't load it as hot as the thread starter describes though. I usually keep my 300 grainers around 1900 fips and my 400s around 1500. Did jack some 350 Hornadys up around 2000 for an elk hunt but didn't get a chance to try it on elk. Did try it on deer though. Big hole in through the left front shoulder and a big hole out just in front of the right ham. Everything in-between was just the awefullest smellin' goo. Gotta watch them angles better.

I would imagine that the 45-70 would make some darn big holes in stuff!!

Not just in, but through.

Hit-'em in the chest with anything legal and they're gonna run a bit. They're dead but don't know it. 45-70 just makes it easier to find 'em in the puckerbrush. Heck, I've had as many twang-flops with stick and string as bang-flops with any rifle.

This had to be one of the best posts I've read in a while.....if only for "Stick-isms"......too funny..and so right...

I'll take my 7-08 thanks...