I know there's a lot of sport disrespecting this cartridge on the Fire but is it real? Age? Poor performance, myth?

What say you???

I’d bet the 270 win is in the top 5 of hunting cartridges in the US.

No, the "disrespect" is just envy and jealousy because the 270 is so good.

Gay.

I just say anything to anyone and just use one of mine, whenever the urge inspires me to use it...

I seem to like 140 gr Ballistic Tips, with either 30grains of 4198 or 44 grains of 4064.....

or when I need some horse power out of it...

like 62.5 grains of 4831SC, and a 220 grain SMP partition....

Americans love to be told things are New and Improved when in fact most of the "improvements" haver no real-world value but those that think of themselves are Experts and sophisticated will swear they are all about the new thing and how much better it is. The actual truth is the Emperor is naked, and the "new cloths" are just advertisers fooling people. The 270 is going strong and has been doing so for close to 100 years.

The 270 is an easy choice, but it is nearly 100 years old and familiarity breeds indifference.

Before the COVID epidemic, 270 ammo was available nearly everywhere and good factory ammo could be purchased for under $25.

I foolishly sold a beautiful Remington 700 BDL in 270 because I got that dreaded Magnumitis and just had to have a 300 WinMag. Always regretted that poor decision.

Just bought my first one. Timney was delivered today, original trigger was garbage. 7 lbs ready to hurt shiit, got a feelin I’m gonna get a sheep tag here or Oregon so I needed a sheep rifle.

It’s not what the “cool kids” want! 😁 That said, I’ve never been one of the cool kids, but I’ve have never been “wowed” with the 270 Win.! memtb

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Ya right?? Wtf? 😅

Not in my house, it is a go to cartridge. I have played with everything, but the 270 has always worked and been there.

It's mostly from insecure 7x57 fans.

Ingwe loves the .270 Win!

A tingle just ran through his leopard print thong.

If you crunch the ballistics on rifle cartridges, then you find an almost magical sweet spot on the ones based on the 30-06 and 7mm bullets. Having a bore that measures 0.277" instead of 0.284" is the 270's only sin. In terms of performance, it's all but identical to the 280 Remington. The 280 Ackley Improved (AI) outruns it, and around here, that's enough to get it roundly condemned.

It has been on the market since 1925. Up until COVID, you could find ammo for it everywhere. Post-COVID, the 270 comes out on top, at least where I live. If you rely on factory ammo around here, then you'd better have either a 308 or a 270. There's more ammo for them than for anything else around here, including the 30-06. Even during the worst of the shortage, you could still get 270 ammo.


Okie John

Dont see a lot of rifles in 25-06 anymore either

I love my 270 and wouldn’t get rid of it. Most accurate rifle I own and probably the best deer cartridge ever.

But there are too many closet power bottoms F*gs on here hating on it.

I happen to agree with Finn Aagaard. "The true general purpose big-game cartridges used in this country come in but two calibers. 30 and 7mm."

I only have one in Browning BBR and it is accurate as all get out, only need one.

If that shoots as good as it looks .. you won. Somethin' classic about a wood 'n' blue Ruger tanger.

Almost none. True thing. A pity. I've made a lot of stuff dead with a .25-'06. Getting another may go back on my list.

Tom

If I had to narrow my rifles down to bare minimum it would be my 270 Win Kimber Montana (140 gr TSX) and my tweaked LW stainless 375 H&H M70 (270 gr TSX).

I think it’s because they seem so common, like the .30/06 . Maybe changing the name to .277 Whelen would help.

I was a 257 Roberts, 257AI, and 25-284 guy before I got my first 25-06, since then I've become a believer in the 25-06. The Marlin XL7 that I bought from somebody on this site back in 2012 has been amazingly accurate for an entry level rifle. I've loaned that rifle out and had a hard time getting it back 'cause the borrowers had such good luck with it.

I was a 7x57 and 284 shooter before I got my first 270, since then I've become a fan of the 270, as it does everything those 2 cartridges do and it does it easier and cheaper with factory ammo.

I'll bet he doesn't have any problem finding the lands with that bullet; it's got to be pretty long.

Around 1995 I picked up a Rem 7600 in 270. First time in the woods with it I was on a meat mission. Got an 8pt and two doe with it in about 10 seconds.
They all hit the deck right now. Nothing magical that any other cartridge wouldn’t have done but I was impressed. Haven’t been without one since.

You can't hardly swing a dead cat around in the woods here during deer season without hitting somebody carrying a .270. Unless you happen to hit somebody carrying a .30-06 first that is.

Among people who use the 270 I don't think it has fallen out of favor at all. But with all the competition from newer developments that surround and duplicate the performance of the 270, it can be a tough sell for a cartridge that is probably going on 100 years old... What do you think will be the 270's replacement 100 years from now?

Non-loonies have no problem with the .270

I'm a TOTAL loony and I have no problem with the .270 Win. It's a fantastic chambering. The four I own are bracketed by my .257 Roberts, 25-06, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55, 256 Newton on the low side, and two 7x57s, a .280 Rem, and two 7mm RMs on the high side. They are augmented in the middle by a 270 WSM. All of them are great cartridges. There are of course .22s, .24s. 8mms. .338s, .358s, 9.3, .375, and .458 too, but I am just listing the bracketing calibers by chambering. I still need a .250 Savage. Then I'll be complete. Yeah. Right.

The .270 Winchester is an awesome cartridge.

Rex

I do not think I could go quite that low.
How about 22-250, 270, 338-06 and 416 Rem Mag.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They get the job done in a boringly efficient way.
Now if a guy built a 270AI with a long throat and a 1 in 8 twist on a magnum length action.......

What's a 270win?

The last Roosevelt elk I shot with my .270. It's been making meat since it's purchase in the late 60's and will be passed down to a grandson upon my demise....



The .270 is the cartridge I suggest to any new rifle buyer.
It has a ton of good attributes - including pissing off the libtards with the rainbow panties..

I just re-barrelled an '06 Tanger to 270. A few years ago, I went the other way with a different rifle (M98). Both because they needed new barrels, and that's what came up cheap at the time.....

And yeah, I have a 7X57, too.

It’d have plenty of neck to hold the new high BC bullets. Kind of a Creedish Moreish leaning.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt.../winchester-70-supergrade-270-win#UNREAD

It hasn't.

I keep hearing the old 270 is dead so I went to midway the other day and looked at factory load offerings. There were 68 hunting factlory loads. For the 6.5 creedmoor there were 90 some factory loads 60 some od which were sold as hunting ammo (varmint/big game). The rest were match loads some of which I know guys use for hunting however they are not marketed that way. Any case the old 270 is hanging right in there with the most popular, modern load of the day when it comes to hunting ammo. Since the 270 is and always was a hunting round, not a target round, seems to be doing ok. People get all tied up with PRS but I read there are 10 thousand some guys competing im that sport. John Haviland quipped in an American Rifleman article not long ago there are more hunters in 2 counties in PA than compete in long range target. I thought that was pretty jnteresting point given the amount of focus the prs rounds get in press

Lou

When laser rangefinders started getting cheap and reliable enough for normal folks to twist turrets, the 7mm had an advantage--at least among enthusiasts--becuz of the generally faster twist so you can run longer/higher bc bullets. Or just longer heavier bullets.

But most normal folks are pretty happy with their 270s.

I've noticed that among those who don't read gun magazines and log onto sites like this, there are still lots of .270s, .30/06s, 7mm magnums, and .243s out and about during deer season .

It's interesting you mention this. I was discussing this issue with my friend down at camp. He and I are both Buckeye transplants. He moved down 12 years ago; his wife was from the county. She died, and now he lives close to her brother over on the next ridge. He is known as "Blacksmith" on my weblog.

He is a big fan of 45-70. However, we were discussing the various chamberings we'd encountered down here.

His web of kin are all hugely vested in 270 WIN going back at least a couple of generations.

Previously, I had known few male hunters here in the general area that favored 270 WIN. When it was chosen, it was usually what a husband bought his wife for hunting.

The 270 isn't the latest cool kid on the block. I gacked 270 ballistics with the latest wonder cartridges and it hangs with them. I was looking on GB last night for a Kimber MT 270. I'd bet I end up with one in the next year or so. I had one about 4-5 years ago and it got "donated" to a poor 'ute in Kansas City. Apparently Kansas City has a Kimber donation protocol I wasn't aware of. I killed 2 elk with that rifle using 150 gr Partitions and Re 26. Very effective combo. Of course I keep thinking my current Kimber 8400 LA needs to be a 280......

Ron Spomer did a great comparison on the 270 vs the 6.5 Creedmoor.

If you don’t read the whole thing, at least look at the final analysis…

https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/6-5-creedmoor-versus-270-winchester




Whether you choose to risk your inches to wind deflection or bullet drop, you can't dispute the wonderful performance and versatility of both these cartridges. In energy, velocity and drop, the 270 Winchester wins. In wind deflection, recoil, cycling speed, and potentially compact rifle size (short action,) the Creedmoor comes out on top.If you own an accurate, beloved 270 Winchester, you don't need to replace it with a 6.5 Creedmoor.

I have entirely to many deer rifles, but when the season starts I grab my Dad's pre-64 270 featherweight.

I have one 270 left and will keep it. It's a very nice Winchester Pre64 Featherweight that has been unmolested. It's one of my fair weather rifles that's only allowed out in good weather. The Kimber's are for ugly weather.

People always want new things. Nothing wrong with that. Doubt I will ever sell my boring old 270 700 or my even more boring 30-06 ruger tanger. But I will hunt this year with my 7mm08 on most hunts. I hunt whitetail in AL and I have noticed the younger guys using smaller friendlier chamberings on deer. 6.5 Creed comes to mind.

My main rifle is a CA Ridgeline 270 Win.


129lrx ammo is a hammer and perfect for how I hunt.

I've posted this picture of my M70 in McMillan Edge several times.



I have a nice Parker Hale 1200 rifle as well, and a .270 will always be a rifle and cartridge I hang on too. I just don't use the .270 as much since I've started using a suppressor. I can't bring myself to thread either one of my rifles.

The new generation of hunters/shooters spend more time at the range than in the field, this is where the newer cartridges shine like the 6.5CM, 6.5 PRC and to some extent the 300 PRC. The specialty rifles and chassis stocks these new to shooting folks uses lend themselves to the long range target crowd and long range hunting. I see hunting posts on social media and everyone wants to know "how far was the shot?" and there seems to be general disappointment if the shot was under 500 yards. I remember is wasn't long ago that one would be called out for poor sportsmanship if he was boasting about a shot over 300 yards. For me, I'm on the side of sport hunting ethics and I like the idea of close the better but the new age will call you a non-woke boomer if you call them out for their "shooting" and lack of "hunting". Back to the 270, years ago, I experimented with the 6.5s, including 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5-06 and 263 WM and most recently the 6.5 CM. After buying rifles, new barrels and handloading, I came to the conclusion that they all duplicate (or at least try to) the 270 Win. I don't own any 6.5s but I presently have two 270s and won't be without at least one. The 270 is not sexy enough for the new generation and the short 6.5 PRC is ideal for the target crowd but the 270 W is the benchmark for all other "deer" cartridges to measure against. The performance between the 270W and the 6.5 PRC are just about identical out to 500 yards, after that, the PRC has an edge. However, long skinny cartridges tend to feed better than short fatties and often add one to the mag capacity. These days, I shoot 140s out of my 270s as a compromise and could not be more pleased. As much as I appreciate the modern design and accuracy of the 6.5CM, it doesn't have quite the zip of the 270 so I'll stick with what has worked for so many years.

Over the years I have owned more than several .270s. My favorite is my old .300 WM. I have the most faith in the rifle and caliber. However probably 10 years ago, I found a .270 that suited my fancy. It is nothing fancy, and adl with a 26 " custom barrel. It has edged out my .25-06 as number two favorite. I carry the .270 a great deal for coyotes on up. It is a dandy caliber and most useful. I seldom shoot at game over 400 yards so it is pretty reliable and enjoyable to shoot. It will never replace the ,300, but lately I find my self picking it up very often..

It's all marketing.

If you own a .270, you're set. But the advertising guys want you to buy a new rifle.

I have a couple, love them!

They have tried to "replace" the 270 with short mags. And those are mostly dead now. In 100 years the 270 will still be here and I don't really like the 270, since I grew up with the 30-06. Got to respect a cartridge such as the 270 winchester though. Been alive and kicking since 1925 for a good reason.

They keep comparing every new one to the 270. That tells me a lot.

My 270 got me a deer and filled my freezer last fall so I am going to keep using it.

I'm down to just 4 of them!!

Mike

There is NOTHING wrong with the 270 Winchester!

In fact, it is simply one of the very best! Period, end of story, print!!!

270 also doesn’t get much credit in the accuracy dept since it’s seldom used as a target round. But three of my most accurate hunting rifles have been 270’s.

I would be interested in the 129 LRX performance on deer and elk. I set my buddy's 270 up with the 129 LRX and told him to go shoot anything. I'd think it would be close to perfect from antelope to elk - but I'm pontificating.

I've only slayed a handful of whitetails with that bullet so can't speak to the larger stuff, but there isn't much walking in North America that I'd fret using that bullet.

It gave this one a bloody nose.

I am more of a .280 Rem fan, but I’ve owned more .270’s than almost any other caliber. I used to say I’d never own one, as I got a .270 WSM shortly after they came out and saw no need to own one. Then I bought one for a steal and my wife won one. I sold the one I bought to a buddy like an idiot, but still have the Ruger American the wife won. The Ruger American is a tack driver with 140 gr. Berger VLD Hunter and Magpro powder.
While my son has claimed the Ruger American, when he finally leaves for good and takes it with him, I’ll replace it, but with a nicer one.

There's nothing a .270 can do better than a 30/06. And my uncle never cared for Jack off O'Connor.

I am 6 critters into the 129lrx. So far they have been flawless.

The 270 is not as popular because it sounds old and outdated. The younger people need to have a flashy name and the 270 sounds boring. I bet if you took the cartridge and made one minor improvement, it would become instantly popular as long as the new name fits. Maybe have the letter X in there somewhere. XTX, XT, or something like that. It’s just like the Creedmoor. It’s no better than others we have, but add the name Creedmoor and watch it take off. The 270 happens to be my favorite. I have accumulated lots of rifles in my life and many are custom sporters but I seem to take my original 270 on hunting trips and leave the high end customs at home.

I think most articulated "disdain" is mostly presented as tongue in cheek. It's also one of those that many people proclaim to be the "be all, end all" of cartridges. That simply stirs more debate and opposition. On another more practical note, as old as it is, there have been many alternatives introduced into the market thus providing more alternatives since its inception. That's just my take.

I just started shooting the 270 maybe 10 years ago. I believe that it is as good as the 280 on most game. I shot a cow elk with a 270 this last fall and it worked well. The difference in diameter is small.
The 270 bullets cross sectional area is 0.076729 x Pi square inches.
The 280 bullets cross sectional area is 0.080656 dpi square inches.
Which amounts too about 5% difference. I just reviewed my math and it’s wrong but I believe the 5% is right.

I used to often say that the 280 had better bullet selection. Maybe it still does, but that gap is much narrower now.

My first 280 was in the 1970’s. My first 270 was in the past 10 years. The 280 is a favorite of mine. The 270 is very good too.

I think that if a shooter had good luck with one or the other they “prefer” it.

Just a boringly old proven effective round that will always be around and always keep working.

LIKE all the above^^^

My Dad left several 270's all NIB sold every one. Do I regret it, hell no. Just not a fan of the 270, is it a bad choice no just don't like it.

Thanks Scott.

Now what rifle is that........?

Thanks. I have 2 boxes sitting on my bench. All I need is my own 270

Nosler has seconds on SPS for those with 270 love.

I usually have 2 or 3 around the house. Use one of them occasionally. A lot when I lived in Wyoming but nowadays I play with a 7-08, 308 or 7-08 mostly because they are lighter shorter rifles and handier in box blinds. Still a favorite round though.

The current infatuation is with all things Creedmore and Grendel along with a host of other newcomers.

The 270 is a pure hunting round developed nearly 100 years ago by Winchester to kill big game animals at long range. It’s never fallen out of favor.

I agree pocono..

Damn straight.

7mm-08


30-06

Liking my .270 with 110gn V-MAX for coyotes.

Good enough for O’Connor good enough for me…. Even though I’ve never owned one. I do fancy the weatherby version.

Just me, but I don't care for long action cartridges. I hunt a 7-08.

Same thought here too. It’s only getting better as bullets and powders are better.

This is why I would like to see factory .270s modernized. All it would take would be for manufacturer’s to quietly start releasing .270s with 8” twist barrels. Would still shoot lighter bullets well and would allow the use of high BC bullets too.

John

Same here John. Wouldn’t have to change anything other than the twist and you’d be able to capitalize on just about everything. The current throat works excellent for the long noses on the higher BC bullets out there.

Sold the only 270 I ever owned, hunted with short action calibers for many years although my Rem 700 .280 was there in the safe. Like said above , the 270 loading supplies were plentiful so I just bought another 270 this year.
After reading about the velocities on the 270 topic I loaded up some 150's ABLR with RL26 and was very surprised . Averaged 3050 fps. with great accuracy. What's not to like.

Owned one for about 5 years.
Loaned money, it was collateral. Sold it to a young kid.
Never even had any ammo for it.

Always prejudiced against it. City relatives all used 270 or 06 pumps.
They were...different.

Got an 06 pump, got over those issues.

Now, I'd love to get a nice old fashioned light 270.
Like a Husky or something. Just to give the old girl a whirl.
Like my Sweede, but maybe a 270 could be "The One".

30-30, 243, 308, 7 mag, 300 mag, 30-06, Sweed, thought all of them might
be "The one" too!

because it matches the .277 Fury ballistics?

This right here.

It took me several years to come around to it, but in the last 5 years I have come to the realization that the 270 WCF is ideal for the whitetail deer and pigs that I shoot. Factory ammo has been, and will be plentiful. I'm well satisfied with my 270 for filling the freezer.

Like most here, I have a great variety to choose from.
Some new, some big n' little, all types, really.
Four of those are .270 wcf's.
For my purposes, the bulk of the time I take the Browning BLR/ .270.it provides enough of everything I need and matched with the right bullet it always meets expectations....for decades.
There are lots of great chamberings out there, but variations of the 30/06 can fill every need in North America, brass can all have an '06 headstamp and send .25, 27, .28, 30, 33, and 35 bullets with good efficiency.
Reliability and trustability just doesn't keep the marketing machines in high gear though. So, the great deception continues over a need for new shiny stuff .

Hmmm. I'm not calling you a heretic, but I don't recall St. Finn ever making such a comment.

To the contrary, he had a lot of admiration for the 270 as a general purpose big game round.

Chapter and verse please!

If so, it makes sense as the 270 is technically a 7mm, 7mm = .277"

From Coyotes to elk, the 270 simply works. I was slow to accept it, but now consider it the perfect deer sized cartridge with a 130 Nosler Combined Technology bullet.

Coyote at 520 yards, elk at 230 yards...

I’ve always thought the 270 WCF as a multi purpose, quasi magnum chamber. It gets very impressive velocities that are close to magnum speeds from all available bullet weights. It does so with a 22-inch barrel as well. As a mountain rifle you could shorten a barrel to 20” with 130, 140, 150 or 160 grain loads with 1-10 twist and still keep up easily or surpass the 6.5 Creedmoor, 7-08 Rem and 308 WCF utilizing 24” barrels. If custom set up in a 6lbs+- rifle you’d be hard pressed to find anything better as an alpine or plains rifle.

This 7x57 fan considers the 270 to be one of the best cartridges out there for Joe Avg. shooter. We just think we're cool because we shoot oddball stuff.

There really hasn't been many that were better than the 270 since it was rolled out.

For the un-churched who may never have read St. Finn's excellent treatise on the 270 - once again, here it is... (click on photos to see them in postimage, and click again to enlarge):

Growing up my cousins all had 270's. I thought how could they be any good because I hunted with a magnum. That was 50 years ago and about 10 years ago I finally figured out the 270 is a pretty good caliber, even if it is a 270 WSM.

Have taken many whitetails, hogs and an Audad with my 270, a Tikka Whitetail Hunter with Zeiss 3-9X42 Diavari. Cold bore shot placement is always on the money, and it shoots tiny groups with 130 TSX's. I won't part with it, despite favoring my SA rifles (7-08AI and 338Fed) lately for carrying in the woods. The Tikka wears it's original stock and is a tad heavier, and I'm getting old and weaker

The other side of that coin, I came by a Creedmoor via a customer who backed out of a build. Finished the build, couldn't find a buyer. I like it...but I would trade it in a heartbeat for a good ol' .270. My only criticism is with the old fashioned cup and core bullets we used to use..it will bloodshot meat pretty bad.

I have a marketing and communications background - I say that because the topic of this thread has more to do with demographics than cartridge performance. And to get this out of the way - to say something like, "a cartridge doesn't perform like it used to" is utterly ridiculous - think about it. That's almost like saying that cartridge (bullet) performance is emotional, not physical.

Now to demographics. I'm not going to lecture the topic, but instead just give a few quick bullets -

- Seasoned hunters who have been at it for a while and choose to carry a .270 (or 30/06 and the historical-like) are past their influential stage. They don't cling to everything they read about the newest product on the market like those who are still trying to choose what to carry. I dare say they probably don't read many (if any) gun magazines either. Gun magazines have useful information, but most weight heavily on product promotion.

- Those who are influenced by marketing hype, and that includes 1950's and '60's .270 buyers, are sometimes boisterous about their choice. This is probably because they are excited to own the whizbang 2000 everyone has been talking about, and perhaps also because they feel the need to defend their decision. And as we know about the .270, sometimes the hype is real and their decisions work out for them.

- These bullet points can go on but I'll stop with this last one - old dudes who carry .270s sometimes type on chat rooms like this, but otherwise don't get caught up in social media, technical data, computer programs, field ballistic calculators, etc. etc. They range their deer, hold accordingly and take their shot.


Buying the latest and greatest is cool. I'm all for whatever keeps our shooting industry going! But when one looks at recoil and effectiveness on big game as far as most people would care to shoot, it's pretty obvious cartridge technology has not come very far in the past century.

Yep. The .270 Winchester is the poster child for psychosocial behavior.

My views on the .270 have basically comes full circle and for bullets outlined above.

It seems like not so long ago, I was the young buck of the communal hunting & shooting clan. Many of those folks shot .270’s (including my father) but I was too immature to learn from elders and my quiver void of any sort of emotional intelligence.

The .270 Winchester was my first centerfire rifle. I killed a couple of animals with it but soon grew weary of it and was seemingly always searching in greener pastures. I needed bigger, better and chased all kinds of chamberings.

Despite all that, experience & knowledge still somehow managed to seep in though osmosis and experimentation.

25 years layer, what’s old is new again.

Bob may he Rest In Peace loved the cartridge, that's all I will say.

They make great donor rifles!

Newer generation brainwashed by advertising latest and greatest for sales dollars 💸

Nothing wrong with the 270

270 adequate for all game here in Texas less some of the private ranch exotics such as Nilgai. Fairly mild mannered, reasonably priced commercial ammo that is readily available under normal circumstances. Good enough for Jack O’Connor and we have the benefit of premium bullets.

first I bought was .270, never been with out one, I would like a bit of a faster twist.

Thanks Brad. A couple statements I found very interesting:

"The 7mm Rem mag will boost a 160 gr bullet to the same velocity and trajectory that the 270 with the 140 gr bullet, but it takes an additional 2" of barrel barrel and a lot more powder and recoil to do it. Many hunters feel that the big 7 is a vastly superior cartridge, but I must say that I have been unable to detect much difference between it and the 270 on game."

BobinNH and I had a spirited conversation on this exact statement. With Re 26, I was able to get an honest 3000 ft/sec with the Nosler Partition (3020 if memory serves me). It shot as flat as the 7RM and carried very similar energy as the 160 launched at the same speed from the 7 RM. Needless to say Bob was a 7 RM fan. Still miss his posts.

A couple more:

"The 30-06 with its heavier bullets may have an advantage over the 270 when it comes to breaking massive bone and achieving the deepest penetration on the larger beasts, but not by any great margin."

"...I would simply use the 150 gr Nosler Partition at about 2900 ft/sec. That is also my idea of the best all-around use-it-on-anything load, and is the one that I would choose if I were taking a 270 to Africa or Alaska."

I bought a used Herter's J9 rifle in the .270 Winchester to got out west hunting and leave my Savage 99 250-3000 home. It did the job on antelope and mule deer. My uncles put together a Moose hunting trip up in Ignace, Ontario and I got an invitation. While speaking to my Grandfather about the trip he said "those 130 grain bullets your shooting ain't going to work on the moose. Come on in to the den and I will show you a gun that will work." He pulled out a Winchester Model 70 from the gun cabinet. It started life (circa 1949) as a .270 but he had Emil Koshollek, old gunsmith from Stevens Point, WI, rework it to a 7x57mm. It had a 24" Buhmiller barrel.

"Buy you some 175 grain Remington Core-Lokt's and go shoot a moose."



Do I want another 270 Winchester, no.

Bob loved the 270 win as well. He was a shooter and knew his chidt. If he said something I'd take it to the bank. I'm sure he may have been discussing the attributes of his Mashy and that would walk all over the 270. That may have been his point. Although, he thought very highly of the 270. Good choice on the 150gr partition though. I totally agree about that one.

I would have sworn that I’ve read the exact same words from St. Finn. And so it was, in his article on the 338-06 in the January 1986 edition of The American Rifleman:


At least for a while, you can see the words here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/133989148256

He’s not slagging the 270, but including it among the 7mm cartridges.


Okie John

A hole through the good stuff in the front portion of an animal results in death.

My grandfather was a 30 cal guy and so was my dad. When I started deer hunting my grandfather gave me a 30-30. I soon graduated to a 30-06 and that led to a 300RUM.
Then one evening when I was about 60 I saw an ad on GB for a M70 FWT in 270 and having just reread one of JOC's books for the umteenth time, I put a bid on it. What the heck, it was cheap and someone will surely bid more. Nope.
After shooting several deer and an elk I keep wondering what took me so long to wise up.
Maybe my handle should be "Slow Learner".

I was hoping someone would dig up that article!

I remembered that line and it was driving me nuts!


Okie John

Hawg,

Interesting to hear your opinion on the .270's adequacy on nilgai. About 20 years ago I was one of several writers invited on a nilgai (+pig) hunt on the King Ranch, along with a few other folks. The cartridge involved was not the .270 Winchester, but the new .270 WSM, and the bullet the also-new 140-grain Fail Safe.

When we we showed up the guides all expressed sincere doubts about the adequacy of anything ".270" on nilgai. Many of them believed in at least a .300 magnum, and some the .375 H&H.

By the end of the hunt 30 nilgai had been taken, a bull and cow for the each of the 15 hunters. The guides were all saying the .270 WSM was one of the greatest nilgai cartridges ever.

Now, some here may believe the .270 WSM is very different than the .270 Winchester, but I have shot plenty of animals with both--and also watched my wife kill animals up through bull moose with the .270 Winchester and plain old Nosler Partitions. I never could see any difference in the way either .270 killed (or for that matter, the .270 Weatherby) as long as a good bullet hit the right place.

In fact, the longer I hunt the less difference I see in how various rounds kill big game.

I can also remember Finn stating something like he "would draw a hard line under 6.5mm as an adequate all-around big game caliber." Probably could find it, if anybody's interested. Or even if they aren't. In fact might just look it up now, since I believe it appeared in his chapter in the same book on the 6.5x55.

I bet those 130's would've worked fine

Just sold a new in box Win Model 70 to a neighbor kid. Really did not need a spare spare.

I own a 338-06 and a 416 Rem Mag and have killed a fair bit of game with both. I'm still good with my selection above.

John, this might be it from the 270 article I posted on page 119, left hand column.

Good find! I'd forgotten about that article.

So my friend Roundoak is misusing the sacred text by not quoting it in context!

BTW, if anyone wants to read or print Finn's 338-06 article, it's available here:

http://nitroexpress.info/ezine/NickuduFiles/Members-PDF/Aagaard-338-06.pdf

My left hand Rem KS chambered .270 will be my last center fire rifle... The .270 just works...

I started out with the 270 Win as my first gun. It has been a great gun. I also have a 120 WSM.

My notes read: American Rifleman, December 1986.

Indeed - Okie John figured that out and gave the entire quote

I’m back to “What’s the first rifle you had that was accurate and always worked well?”
I can only think of a couple of times what I’d call a failure has happened to me, but it was poor choice of bullets, not cartridges
I shot an antelope 6 times through the chest with 105 grain 6mm bullets before he dropped. His rack is in my gun room. Those bullets did very little damage. The first bullet hit him as he was doing his morning stretch and he ran around me as I kept firing.
The second failure was with a 30-06 and 165 grain bullet on a doe. The bullet hit the shoulder and never entered the chest cavity.
Those were a couple of my first cartridge/rifles. I like them both!

I’d like to have a rifle chambered in every cartridge ever made. I won’t, but I’d like too. I’m trying.

The difference between the cartridges we’ve been discussing don’t mount to a hill of beans as far as deer cartridges.

I am trying to take a different rifle and cartridge out deer hunting each year. The smallest was a 22-250. The largest was a 300 Win Mag. The smallest deer I ever shot was at maybe 5 yards with that 300. It startled me and I shot it as it jumped out of bed. My hunting buddies somehow don’t ever forget that occasion

If you’re hunting out of a stand and you’re shooting maximum 100 yards just about anything from a 357 revolver on up will work. If you’re hunting the plains and the Mule Deer you’re trying to get is 300 yards with a 30 MPH side wind and you are not going to get closer you’ll want something bigger/better. Some might say it’s the 270, some will say it’s the 7mm RM.

Just to be safe get a 8mm Rem Mag or a 300 RUM and you’ll be covered for everything. (🙄).

Brad,

You might also buy a copy of either AAGARD'S AFRICA, published by NRA Publications in 1991, or AAGARD'S AFRICAN ADVENTURES, published by Safari Press in 2008, which includes the same content as AAGARD'S AFRICA, along with Berit's recollections on the same era.

Finn's chapter in both books, titled "Guns of the Settlers," includes this final paragraph:

"I had the great good fortune to be in the East African game fields in their heyday and thereby the opportunity to see how a great variety of cartridges performed on all manner of beasts. When I think back on it and browse through the journals that I have kept since 1956, one inescapable fact emerges. Within reasonable limits, the choice of a cartridge is not all that important. Whether a gnu is thumped with a 6.5mm, a 7mm magnum, an 8x60 or a .375 H&H seldom makes a noticeable difference. It will run about as far when shot through the lungs as one as with any of the others. Even today, as it always has been and ever will be, it is not the rifle or its cartridge that matters so much, but rather the skill and knowledge of the rifleman-hunter who is using it."

I must also note (as Finn does in the books) that he was not talking about "modern" 6.5mm rounds and bullets, but what were then the dominant 6.5s, moderate cartridges such as the 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, or 6.5x55, used with cup-and-core bullets of 155-160 grains.
This is an interesting observation, which somewhat contradicts his other quotes about caliber/cartridges--but was published later than the book you have.

What I found interesting was that my experience in Africa has been very similar. The "gnu" he mentions is the blue wildebeest, which many consider perhaps the hardest-to-kill plains game animal, which on average is a little smaller than elk, but not much. My experience with blue wildebeest, in four African countries, is perhaps not so oddly the same as Finn's: Hit right with a bullet that penetrates sufficiently, they die just as quickly with, say, a 140-grain from a .270 Winchester or 7mm-08 as a .300-.375 magnum. It also took me a while to realize (and accept) this, just as Finn did. But the longer I hunt, the more my experience matches his.

Mule Deer -

King Ranch is an interesting place for sure! At my skill level, I prefer a bit more margin of error for an animal of that size. I was surprised at how good Nilgai was to eat.

How did they work for you?

John yes, I have Aagaard's Africa. In fact I was in the middle of it when my son was born on a cold December night in 1992. I marked the page I was on, with the date and time of his arrival in the world. It'll go to him when I'm gone. Berit kindly offered to autograph it for me, and I might just send it off to her for that.

Finn was the voice of common sense and reason as I was coming up in the gun/hunting world. Of course I read JO too, but Finn had so much experience, was such a practical old Norwegian, as well as an honest reporter of experience, that I really took to him. A decade or so after I found Finn in the 80's, I stumbled onto this guy from Montana who struck me similarly... and of course, that's you!

Thanks for sharing the above. My hunting experience is far more limited than yours or Finn's, but even in my lean experience I've come to regard the endless cartridge/bullet debates as entertaining, but detached from reality. Put a good bullet in the right spot and its lights out, and I'd be perfectly happy with a 270 and any number of bullets to arrive at that end.

And just like that, there was no more point in being a rifle loony.


Okie John

These 2 sentences took me 40 years to come to grips with. As Brad stated, my own limited experience indicates it's not the cartridge but the nut behind trigger. I honestly didn't want to buy into the last statement for a LONG time. I made rifle/cartridge choices based on an extra 100 ft/sec thinking I was buying some kind of new magic. As a burgeoning rifle looney, the first rfle I bought was a Ruger 77 in the what-the-hell-is-that 280 Rem in 1982. A 7RM soon followed, then various 300 magnums, a couple 338s, a couple 375s. Little did I realize how right I had it 40 years ago. Wish I had all the rifle money invested in the stock market

I grew up reading the "big 3" hunting and fishing magazines, Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, and Sports afield. Outdoor Life was my favorite, and Jack O'Connor was my favorite writer. So, I read all about his experiences with the 270. When the Remington 700 Classic came out, I bought one in 270. That would have been around 1978. For the next 25 years it was my whitetail rifle.

My favorite load is 60.0 grains of H4831 and a Sierra 130 grain SP. The rifle always did shoot better than I was capable of. I killed deer with it from 15 yards away, all the way out to 450. Over the years I became interested in other cartridges, especially the 6 and 6.5 mm's, which are easier on a bad shoulder, but I've also used a 7-08, 7X57, and 308. Compared to others, my experience is certainly limited, as all I've hunted are deer here in Kentucky, but I have seen more deer dropped in their tracks by the 270 than by anything else.

My rifle hasn't been used for hunting in about 10 years, as I've gotten away from wood stocks and blued metal. But, if I'm ever lucky enough to draw a Kentucky elk tag, it will me the rifle I use.

Not at all - rifles are a thing to themself, and don't necessarily have to be enjoyed in light of any actual hunting. This forum is full of guys like that.

Never took a 270 Moose hunting but I've met a few guys who have.

Factory ammo, reloads, what bullets?

If the 270 has fallen out of favor, I sure haven't seen it locally? It probably has more to do with campfire silliness than anything.

The one cartridge I don't see as much anymore is a 30-06? Not knock on it, but when you get to 30 cal there are lots of options and maybe that's why?

The young guy down the road has a nice range set up and he was shooting recently with two buddies. I drove over to BS for a bit and all 3 were shooting 270's. Two were almost new Tikka's that looked to be shooting great.

The one I remember used 130 Core Lokt. It was what his guide told him to bring. He was happy with the results

Guys who want a .30 these days seem to be going for the 308 and the 300 WM

I've been in on the taking of moose, and have certainly taken and seen taken a lot of elk. I've said it before, I've seen more elk taken with the 270/130-whatever factory load than any other single combo. While not as big, I think elk are bit hardier than moose, and I'd have no hesitation sticking a bull moose behind the shoulder with a 130 Corelockt from a 270. Wouldn't be my first choice (I'd load a 130 or 150 Partition), but I know it would work based on what I've witnessed with elk. Friend of mine who grew up in the bush in AK, living off the land, uses a 280 Rem with 139 Hdy's for everything. No different than a 270/130 except for mouse turd sifters.

If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue...

Just updated my sig line.


Okie John

Well at my house we still favor them, many M70/.270's here between the kids and I...in fact I just bought another...A NH SS classic.

I'm honored!

Yeah. I missed my alarm!

Great buy; glad it was you.

Randy, I've got a NH 6-digit (1996) SS Fwt in pieces here I need to put together. My plan is to put in a fiberglass stock with a blind magazine/670 trigger guard, and Talley X-Low lightweights and a Leupold 6x36 LRD. Might just work

My buddy's daughter killed a cow on permit last year with a 270 Winchester. Distance was under 50 yards, one forward lung shot, about 25 yard travel distance. Bullet type unknown, possibly 150 grain / possibly Federal. Another one fell to another buddy's son-in-law with a 270 Winchester. Bullet type unknown.
I knew another guy that used a 270 Winchester with either 130 or 150 grain Nosler Partitions. He killed several moose with it. The 270 Winchester still seems pretty popular in my area.

I have nothing against the 270 Winchester. I think it is a good cartridge. I have always favored a 7mm in that bore class. My real interest is in 8mm and larger bores.

Sounds like a great plan Brad, but you know what works so I'm not surprised.
AK, glad you were sleeping, it will get tucked away for now....

This guy....

Just did a search on GB for Senderos in 25-06 and 270 WIN.... yikes

I could be too, but I am not there yet! Someday I may get down to four hunting rifles, right now my goal is get into the teens! When I get to the point where I am down to two, thinking I probably will not be doing much hunting.

But I will never be without a 270.

This is one of the better threads, in my opinion, to offer the succinct rationale of the old guard as genuine then as it is today. Love this part of the ‘fire.

Thanks all - I learned a few things today.

For any other blind mag fans there is a reasonably priced trigger guard currently on eBay. These are sometimes challenging to source.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3044858316...r=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I'm just thankful that this isn't another 6.5 Creed thread.

Nothing at all wrong with the .270 - I've kilt a lotta' whitetails and hogs with mine. In fact, I'd say that it's easily in the top 3, if not top 2: .30-06 being № 1 & the .270 № 2. The .270 simply works - and works well. I've never been enamored with new-fangled cartridges anyway.

Screw the 6.5 Creed & all the marketing hype - I'd choose my 6.5x55 SE over the Creed any day.

Ever think that the .270 Winchester WAS the 6.5 Creedmoor but 100 years ago?

It's my version of the 6.5 Creedmoor today. Oddly I've just come into having an 270win and I'm pretty new to it. Bought it here on this forum along with an Minox scope and lotsa bullets. A member here gifted me some brass for it and a friend of mine gave me some more brass, more bullets and a set of dies. Locally I've scored some Nosler. Partitions, and lots of Hornady Interlock and Speer bullets and plenty of factory ammo ready to reload after use and it was dirt cheap.

Mostly ignorance

Dave

In the real world the 270 hasn't fallen out of favor. It's only here on this site, mostly by guys that wear their hair in a bun

Wrong. The anti-270ites are led by a guy who wears a leopard print thong. And his followers are of a certain age to not have enough hair to wear in a bun.

I have 10 270's in the house right now. Would like to get down to 4 or 5 but have separation anxiety.

Post partum syndrome isn't a women-only issue

I've owned/used/played with a total of 13 .270s through the years. I have never killed but 1 jackrabbit and helped to finish off a Spanish goat my Godson shot. I just seemed to have something else in my hands when Game was spotted, ha. My last one was a Kimber 84L Classic that turned out so well I gave it for my youngest grand daughters future use ( her dad is a Marine). They are still very much in use and popular out here. If I see another one I "just can't live without, I'll get another .270 in a heartbeat, ha.

Lots of good points here. In my opinion, the 270WCF is still the king of cartridges for deer sized game, hunted under typical conditions. The blend of velocity, recoil, trajectory, and availability is really as hard to beat now as it was 100 years ago.

The reason why it's not the "go to" for so many these days is that it isn't a great dual-purpose round for those that are part-time shooters and part-time hunters and aren't interested in having a safe full of different rifles. Guys used to would have their 270WCF for killing and other rifles for their range days and varmint time. The younger crowd want's to do it all with one chambering and today's marketing tells them they can. They want to go shoot the longer range steel with moderately-priced, higher-BC ammo and also be able to go hunting the next day. Many (but not all) young guys that are just hunters don't care as much, but they see how their buddies are having good success at the range and in the field with their Creedmoors and .308Win rifles, so when they buy something new, they often figure that they might as well go that route, both to take advantage of all the ammo and because those chamberings are available in all the new rifle models. That begins to weed out the purchases of some of the older, more traditional, big-game rounds, especially those with slower twist rates.

No kidding!

We have used our 270's from gophers to elk and most everything in between. Have shot 85gr TSX's to 180gr Woodleigh bullets through them.

Here is a list off the top of my head.
Gopher, Prairie Dog, cottontail, jackrabbit, squirrel, rockchuck, rattlesnake, beaver, coons, fox, coyote, hogs, turkeys, TX rams, blackbuck, axis, pronghorn, whitetails, mule deer, bighorn sheep, black bear, caribou, and elk.

The newer hunters/shooters look straight at the Bullet's BC to see what is best. Most of us older hunters know that the majority of our shots on big game have been 300 yards and less, so the BC issue is moot.

Guys that hunt in horrific winds of the Western Plains want BC and Speed, and they need all they can get.

I still have two of the 270's with 10" twists, and both of these rifles love the 140g Nosler ballistic tips with 58g of H4831. My 280 Rem custom, 8.75T with 180g ELD-m's(.796 BC) at 2700 really shows up the 270 at 300 yard, and at 400 yard targets, my 140g 270 loads suck hind tit. So, I tried the 145g Hornady eld in the 270, but so so accuracy was all I could muster, barrels will like what they like. I need to re visit the 145g Hornady's in the 270, BC and speed without accuracy is a waste, and I test my loads at the 300 and 400 yards, with a final test at 550 yards.

There are the Expectations for the Hunter to shoot further with today's high quality bullets and scopes. As the 270 barrels get shot out, faster twist barrels with longer throats will allow HIGH BC bullets to be used in the 270 for special purpose, long range rifles.

I have hunted Mule Deer where we shot ridge to ridge, and also hunted antelope in the 30 mph winds at some distance, with wind and elevation doping a given.

Early on, we learned to put a bullet where it is supposed to go and animals die quickly. I hunted cow elk with a Ruger 243 with it's skeleton stock shooting 100g Partitions, never had a problem. We rode mules and horses, and usually did not have to shoot over 150 yards on elk.

I don't have a man bun, but if you are killing deer 450 yards and over, you can see some difference with higher BC bullets, but it has to be a MUCH HIGHER BC....think .625 and better.

The Vast majority of hunters do not shoot over 200 yards, and for those hunters, the 270 is darn near a perfect fit. The 160g Partition in the 270 is very, very accurate with decent speed in both of my rifles. In fact, I found the 160g partition to be an easier bullet to tune vs the 150g partition. Noslers accuracy load for the 160g partition is VERY accurate, I just tweeked the seating depth for each barrel and got 1/2" groups at 100 yards.

For the 270 freeks, I urge you to try the 110g TTSX using H4350, IMR 4350, and R#17. In both of my rifles, the 110s outshoot all other bullets in accuracy, and 3300 fps does impress at the 300 yard line, makes you feel like you are shooting a 220 swift when it comes to flat shooting with 1.5" groups(300 yards) in my rifles jumping the bullet .050 off the lands. I have yet to shoot a deer or hog with the 110g TTSX and recover the bullet. The speed of this bullet sets up hydrostatic shock in the animal that just flattens them on the spot, the vast majority of the time. I shot a 140 lb doe straight up the azz with this 110g TTSX and the bullet exited her front shoulder, she was laying in her tracks.

I have purchased a number of used 270's over the years from friends that have "moved on". Please never put WD40 in your rifle barrel, Pitting will be the result.
4 cartridges will outlive all of us, the 270, 243, 30/06, and the 308.

Wow! You could qualify for the Lou and Charlie adventures and hunting stories in FFG. One of them got a polar bear with a 270

moved

The military determined that the 150 gr. @2800 fps M2 ball round was about all the average marksman could shoot accurately, out of a moderate weight rifle, for extended periods and improve over time.

The .270/150 gr. is that round, utilizing a high SD expanding bullet.

An elegant solution.






GR

It hasn't fell out of favor, it's only gotten better with age...110TTSX at 3500 fps or 130 TBT at 3225fps and mild recoil, what's not to like?

I don’t have one because everybody else does.
FTR I think it’s a great round. If it was good enough for Jack O it’s good enough.

I'm pretty darn happy with my 270 and 130gr bullets. I still shoot a lot of other guns, but my 270 isn't going anywhere.

30+ years ago virtually everyone who bought a bolt action rifle bought it for big game hunting. In the last 10 years the number of hunters has declined significantly, while the number of rifle shooters has increased. Most new shooters don't hunt. And the ones who still do hunt spend a lot more time shooting paper and steel at the range. And at greater distances than ever before.

The 270 and 30-06 are undisputedly great hunting cartridges. But for guys who spend most, if not all of their time shooting paper or steel there are better choices that are more accurate, are cheaper to shoot, and have less recoil. The rifles and optics to shoot them have changed as well. Even the guys who still do hunt are going to take the rifle and cartridge hunting that they shoot the best and have confidence in.

Both 270 and 30-06 fell out of the top 10 cartridges some years ago and are now lumped together with "other cartridges" on the lists of rifles sold every year. Several new rifle offerings aren't even available in 270 or 30-06 anymore.

And there is still a butt load of rifles in both chamberings out there. Everyone who wants one, already has 1. Or more. That isn't helping sales of new rifles in those cartridges either.

My first big game rifle was a Ruger M77 MK ii in 270. It killed deer rather handily.

The .270 Win was my dream rifle as a kid. My first hunting rifle purchase (trade?) was for a Parker-Hale .270 Win. Killed lot's of deer with it.
Shop I worked in got some new Parker-Hale's in. I stupidly swapped my original for a new one. Wish I had the old one back, alas....!
When we married, I bought my wife a Ruger No.1 .270 Win.
Wife seldom hunts.
I seldom use the Parker-Hale!
Wish I had purchased another No.1 .270! LOL!

The .270 isn't the do-all, kill-all, be-all, end-all cartridge.

Are there "better" cartridges out there? Probably!
...but the "average" American hunter can't do much better than a .270 Win as a one rifle hunter.

Wonder just how many deer, elk, moose, bear, buffalo, caribou, etc have fallen to the lowly .30-30 Win?

You can only kill 'em so dead!

I'd say the biggest detriment to the .30-06 Spgfld class cartridges right now is the short AR cartridges.
Heck! I even went to the 6.8mm Rem SPC....which IS a .277" bullet!

As a teenager, I was first exposed to Outdoor Life magazines while helping at a church paper sale. I read all the O'Connor articles over and over. It's become my "go to" for years from antelope to elk. While I have deviated and now rely on the 6.5CM, it is really a workhorse for all N.A. hunting including brown bear.

Never been without a 270 I'll die with one. I've only killed 11 elk, 2 with a bow. The other 9, 8 of which all fell to a 130 NPT in front of 60gr. of H4831, all DRT.

The .270 is the do-all, kill-all, be-all, end-all cartridge.

I just held a beautiful 1949 M70 in 270 not an hour ago in a shop. Gorgeous.

Hard to argue with that isn't it?

Have Four in the hut, but Two belong to family members.

Makes reloading a snap.




GR

I took a couple 270’s out this morning to shoot some loads with 130 grain CL’s. The both shot under 1 MOA. But I was surprised when I recorded the shots. I thought I had three 270’s. It turns out I have four. (700’s of course).

"James Bond in a Brass Suit," as it were...




GR

Have an old M700, a recent M70, and Two Mossberg Patriot Synthetic - Vortex Scoped Combos.

All generally shoot bug-holes w/ most 150 gr. loads, factory or hand.




GR

That’s a true testament right there. I knew you were a damned good fella

And well said Keith!

Ha!

When I first graduated from college in 1991, all I had was a 270, so I used it for everything. That is all my Dad has used since 1972. Naturally I started the boys off with reduced 270 loads once they graduated from the 22-250.

The 270 is a very pleasant recoiling cartridge in it's own right, but if you go with middle to low charge weights, it is a pussycat.

Now, I have churned through so many 270 rifles that I have lost count.

I know it is not the latest, greatest cartridge, but I am very comfortable with it. The 270, along with my other favorite, 338-06, I am set for most anything.

Just ordered some 180gr Nosler BT's from SPS to try in my new 1:8 twist barrel that is coming from Pac-Nor. This will be a new path, as this will be my first fast twist 270.

I know Barnes makes a 150gr TSX that requires a 1:9 twist. That bullet at 3000 fps, wowsa!

What about the 160gr NPt? I have had a few 1:10 twist rifles that did not like the 160gr Nosler.

I also have some 180gr Woodleigh's on the shelf, and they did not do so well with the 1:10twist.

So a looney being a looney. Plan is to have one rifle set up for 110gr Barnes at 3400fps, most with 130gr, another with 140, 150, and one for the heavies.
Where the 270's leave off, the 338-06's will pick up. Then a 22-250/222 for below and a 416 Remington mag for above.

I like where your heads at. I’ve had a #2 1-7.5 Krieger .277 barrel sitting around for awhile. Originally I was set on a 27 Nosler, then thought about it on my old 270 WSM and now, well I’m still trying to figure out what I wanna do with it.

I’ve always thought the 270 Win and the 6.5-06 were the best low recoil high performance chambers. The 6.5mm Rem Mag was ahead of its time and with proper bullets and magazine length would have been a smash hit. Today the only cartridge that would possibly give the 270 Win a run is the 6.5 PRC, which is essentially a 6.5-06. To me those two chambers with 22-inch barrels move bullets at similar speeds and deliver long range performance while being light to carry. Both can be shot with fairly low recoil, the 6.5 PRC at 2.995” COAL would fit real nice in a WSM SA, which is a slight premium in my opinion when putting a rifle on a diet.

If you don't know what to do with the barrel, I am sure I can find a use.

Agree w/ the step.

Was set to build a .338-06, but a Ruger African 9.3x62mm followed me home.




GR

A 1:8 twist .270 Win. is an alluring proposition.

Was set on a 1:8 Pac-Nor 24" Rem varmint contour for the M700, with an end product similar to this:



But IF I can get the 150 gr. ABLR to shoot well out of the M70 EW/SS, I don't think there is much payoff besides loony-ness.

The M700, though a pencil Bbl., shoots great in the field and the bore is fine.


600 yard Elk is not really a problem that I need to solve, and the 150 gr. ABLR should be fine at that range for up to mule deer.




GR

My experience found the 145gr ELD-X and 150gr BT to shoot better than the ABLR. Settled on the 145gr ELD-X. This in a 1:10 twist. Really looking forward to playing with a faster twist.

I do not need a 600 yard hunting rifle either, but I sure enjoy stretching the distance and banging steel with one of my favorite cartridges.

270’s are very popular here. Mine is retired. It will go to one of my sons.

GreggH

Tested 150 gr. ABLR from a 1:10 twist shows marginal stability and a BC (G7) of 0.279.

That BC still adds right at 100 yards to the 150 gr. NP at range, if you can get'em to shoot.


And because it would be a dedicated long range load, was considering the ELD-X and Sierra GameChanger/TGK as well.




GR

I'm more curious than anything, what do you consider marginal stability.
I shoot the 150's ABLR in a 1:10 twist and accuracy is good.

Then that would be, for your load and rifle... stable enough.

Nosler - pushes their factory load at 2,900 fps.

Wonder if it would shoot as precisely at 2,800.




GR

Nothing wrong with a 9.3x62.

Because easy is too hard for some folks.

Go buy it.

If the .270 win. ever "falls out of favor" it will be because marijuana has become legal in so many places.

It does seem to provide, w/ manageable recoil, everything a med-lg game hunter could want out to 400 yds.

... except a short-action and wokeness.




GR

Stevens223: The wonderful 270 Winchester cartridge has NOT "fallen out of favor" with me - nor with any of my many Hunting partners/friends who actually use and continue to admire this caliber!
The last 7 Whitetailed Deer I have harvested were all taken with one shot from my Remington 700 Sendero in caliber 270 Winchester at extended ranges (out to 450 Lasered yards).
Over the years I have also taken Black Bear, Bull Elk, Blacktailed Deer, Mule Deer and Antelope with my various 270 Winchester chambered Rifles.
DO NOT be confused or influenced by any anti-270 Winchester blather (bullschit!)!
In fact cast a disparaging eye and tend to distrust ANY "nimrod" who even tries to discredit the 270 Winchester (especially the dickwads who call the 270 "gay"!)!
Long live the wonderful 270 Winchester.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

The only problem with the .270 Win. is that it is now and always has been so unassailably good that no legitimate criticism can be mounted against it and only name calling remains. It's a fire joke. We all know different, even the Poobah. ;-{>8

Why is everything always shock-and-awe news to you?
Nearly everyone on this site pokes fun at the .270 with tongue-in-cheek.

You had to be the most unintuitive cop on the cot-damned planet.

Sheesh.

Based on the rounds I’ve got hoarded for a 270, I should be shooting one for a while…..at everything.

I have my Rem. 700 ADL synthetic I bought for $300 in 1999. No reason to sell it. Have not shot anything with it since 2013 but will never sell it. I have a few bucks and a few bear with it. I will likely use it again for bear here in Wisconsin this fall.

The 270 Win carried on the back of writers skillful as JOC and others mentioned here gave us the hunting stories I grew up reading. The 270 is based on the 30-06 case. Any cartridge based on the '06 case can't rightly be called gay. It's the most ungay cartridge ever developed. That and the 375 H&H. They were developed with one thing mind. Deliver the goods while functioning reliably. Interestingly enough the 30-06 is the most powerful main battle rifle round ever handed to infantrymen in the world. Let's just say the 270 has good genetics

Oddly as I'm just getting into the 270win I came across some ballistic survey website that is telling me the 270win runs out of steam on game past 200yds. Seems I can never quite get it right. Oh well, at least there's plenty of bullets in have stored up for it on practice days.

Wonder what their definition of "steam" is...and for that matter, what would be their definition of "game" is...

That ballistic survey guy writes like he has been in on every kill this century but his cluelessness knows no bounds. Everything is very vague and ill-defined.

Don't think it has fallen out of favor just more options these days. Still capable at 97.

~ 100 whitetails with one. Been shooting it since 1994. Still my go to rifle.

Compare it ballistically to some of the new craze and it will surprise you.

There's always been fads. Some time ago it was magnums and high velocity. Now its fantasizing about shooting game at unrealistic distances (for most) with heavy high bc projectiles that have a poor maximum point blank range necessitating fiddling with your scope dials before you take a shot. Another current fad is ultralight rifles. If you stick to 130 or 140 grain projectiles that have a reasonable bc at 3000-3100 fps at reasonable hunting distances such as up to 350 yards, the .270 Win is hard to beat.

Agree: Regardless of cartridge, I have found that bullets between say 100 to 140 grains, with a BC of about .400 and MVs in the 2850-3000 range, work very well for my needs.

And, the 150gr. PSP factory loads, from a 22" Bbl., produce M2 ball ballistics.


From Sgt. Alvin York to PFC Hector Cafferata.




GR

The .270 Win. has fallen from favor just like big boobs did when Twiggy showed up. No-one told the folks that matter.

Fashion v. Style.

... and boobs.

Perfect.




GR

No good reason. Just good old fashion marketing. Need to promote new & likewise good cartridges. No need to promote & old great cartridge where the market is nearly saturated.

Similar story. When in Texas last December on a work trip, Nilgai was one of the animals on the menu. I’d brought a 270 as my rifle for the week and I was told it wasn’t big enough. They wanted me to use a 300 Winchester Magnum (with Hornady American Whitetail 150 grain as the ammo!) instead of my 270 with the 130 TTSX. I assured them my set up was more than adequate. The Nilgai was about 75 yards away at the shot, through lungs and exited off side shoulder. He ran 30 yards and flipped.

Darrik, that is a phenomena apparently unique to Texas. They are under the impression their game is Kevlar coated. I just got back from a pig hunt where nothing under a .243 was acceptable...so I took my .243...never saw a pig over 100 pounds, and ruined some meat on the tasty little ones. I usually like a .17 Rem. or a CF .22 of some sort for pigs and they never let me down.My one and only nilgai fell on the spot with a heart shot from a .30-06...which wasn't " big enough".

Tom - taint just Texas. Any deer camp I've shared in Saskatchewan or Manitoba, 3/4 of the hunters bring/brought .300 Winchester magnums because the'd all read/heard/seen the deer are a lot bigger than at home. But that's more on the hunters than the outfitters - the outfitters in those places know better.

fixed

Is there a 7x57 in your closet?

Quit projecting Jorge.

As for me, I simply do not like long action rifles. A 7-08 does all I need and is enough for elk.

Fallen

No, but maybe a 275 Rigby....

It hasn't, and never will, this thread is going to make me dig 'Sugar' out of the safe, dust it off and shoot a buck this fall, it wears on old Lyman receiver peep with twilight aperture, a pre-64 M-70 that's an American version of a British stalking rifle at only 7.5 lbs loaded and ready, it and a pre-64 FWT in 270W shoot the same load, 150 npt's at 2900 fps for the win

My old 270 is still my favorite rifle

150 gr partitions available right now on SPS. My preferred do anything bullet for the 270win from antelope yo elk.

Some are just stirring up conversation. The .270 is still a popular and widely used killer. It's among the group of American classics (30-06, .300 Savage, .270 Win.) that caused 30-30 hunters to want upgrades. I will always like them a lot!

As the OP I can assure you that my question was one of understanding. I guess you may be more in touch with what others shoot than I. Most of the conversations on here involve the latest and supposedly greatest chambering and when I look at the ballistics of them I see only minuscule differences. Thus my question to achieve some sort of explanation. That's all.

I sold my 270 when I moved to the Northeast where shotguns/bows were the norm for deer hunting. When I moved back to Texas, I got a 6.5CM because it promised similar performance on deer with less recoil. I have found both to be true against deer (Axis and Whitetail). My hunting buddy uses a 270 and knocks them down as well.

Bottom Line:
1) if I had a 270 I wouldn't sell it for something "better".

2) I wouldn't buy one unless something bigger than deer was on my list. There is no reason to have the excess recoil just to knock down a deer or hog. Frankly, my wife's 243 is plenty.

3) There is nothing wrong with it.

My 270 groups the 150 grain partition about and inch and a quarter to sometimes a little bigger. It shoots the 130 partitions almost into bug holes. I still might load the 150's up and take it to Wyoming this fall.

The .270 Win is a great cartridge.

What a lot of people don't realize is that when you specify a particular cartridge, such as the .270, then, in addition to a certain range of bullet weights and muzzle velocities, you are also specifying chamber dimensions and twist rate, all based on SAMMI specs decided at the time of cartridge acceptance.

Preferred chamber dimensions/twist rates have evolved over the last decade or two towards longer throats and faster twists as long range shooting has become all the rage. However, the SAMMI specs on the older cartridges do not change. Consequently, anything but a custom barrel will have the "old fashion" specs, and thus not interest the long range crowd. That old cartridge then falls out of favor with the young and hip, even though it is as good as it ever was. The young folks are the ones buying the rifles, which then makes the industry tend to migrate away from the older classics.

The .270 bore, always having been an outlier bore diameter, is even more susceptible to this inexorable shift in cartridge/shooting preferences.

shinebone, it's a helluva round, i pulled mine out of the safe last week, blew the dust outta the twilight aperture on the Lyman receiver peep and took two cold bore shots at 200 and 300 yard steel just holding a bit high on the 300 yard plate, had a decent West wind firing dew North, held a bit for that, i took pics and sent to BSA and beretzs, that's two dead deer, man that old pre-64 270 is a fun rifle, 150gr partitions at 2900 fps will get a lot done.

^^^^^….except the US Army just jumped on the .277 bore size. In the future, will the 308 be an ‘outlier’, with the 264 going back to obscurity?

NONE of the new, ‘cool’ cartridges was on any new bore size, and most drug an obscure one into the ‘mainstream’, or attempted to. Maybe it filters to the 270 Win, or maybe it doesn’t….but I’m betting there’s some movement towards ‘insider’ with the .277 bore (in general), if things stand.

If all else is equal, the 270 CAN provide equivalent or better performance for most ANY requirement one can dream up for a medium game hunting cartridge…even lower recoil, if that’s what you need. A 5# rifle isn’t the best rig for game over 400, and there’s not too much dif in recoil with 7-8# rifles in comparable chamberings, anyway.

There ain’t nothing I wouldn’t tackle with that combo myself Gunner. It’s just a good one that’ll work fine on way bigger stuff than folks give it credit for.

My old Raider buddy is 96-97 this year. After WWII he was assigned to the Alaska territory as a Fish Biologist. I asked what he carried for bear and moose.

Model 70 - 270 Win. Whatever ammo he could get took moose, bear, caribou, for 30 years he ran around with that rifle and he never mentioned a problem.

Whiskey, i had a couple guys on here tell me that a 150 partition at 2900 fps is used for elk, moose and all kinds of game from the Western US to up in Canada all the way to Alaska, sure made me feel a lot better about my little deer load ; ]

I’ve got 120 or so 140Gr A-Frames that I doubt I’ll be worried about putting through anything I’d ever hunt, and there’s also a couple hundred 130gr SST BTs that should tackle most stuff, as well. Other stuff is for practice….but I may send this early 700 Mtn to Mark Brown for fitting into a stock and some other stuff, since my ‘shop’ is packed in storage for a bit longer…I’ll have to slum with my 308s and such until it gets back home. Lol

270 is not going anywhere, it's a magnificent cartridge. But there are better options these days. Ballistics development did not stop in 1925.

Especially with pride month!

Well. It does now have to share the gayness with the 6.5 Creedmoor

Mine hasn't taken any game yet because I'm new to it but it did go bear hunting and all I ran into are sow/cub combos. No dice there but I'm hopeful. Still I've practiced a good deal with it and attached a rifle sling on it. I know for certain a large Samsung phone is in danger of being a casuality at 400yds and I've taken it to 500. After that it runs lower on mass and energy than I like but I appr3ciate it's mild nature and recoil. Just enough to feel like a serious rifle but not at all punishing.

You must know about that topic, I reckon. I thought this was about ballistics. Sorry, "bud".

It’s definitely not flashy but completely capable. And components for reloading are relatively easy to find. Hard not to like in my opinion.

Yep

It hasn't in real life. Only on the campfire forum.

For sure, half the guys I hunt with have .270’s, have two myself.

I've bought LOTSA 270's,simply because they are GREAT Donors. That being said,I've never met anyone who took one seriously,let alone used one as a "mainstay". I've killed more schit with fhuqking 270's,than most guys who LOVE 270's. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

Bullets matter wayyyyyyy more than headstamps,if only to the chagrin of Window Licking CLUELESS Kchunts the world over. Hint.................

Yeah…and a 270 uses paper patches and round balls. LOL

The very same ‘ballistic development’ that’s good for ANY other metallic cartridge is just as good for the 270….

which could arguably make the 270 ‘a better option’ than some newer, lesser stuff. ;)…..along with other obsolete stuff like the 30-06, 35 whelen, 308, 280, etc.

You CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqktards are HILARIOUS! Hint.

Simply conjure up your BEST "ballistic development" "better option" 270 Load and prepare to be bitch slapped endlessly,time and again. Then dangle pics of the Delusions. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Hint: Feel free to go head-on against the free market.

Joan Average ain't very fhuqking bright,as you obliviously attest...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Pardon Facts and Physics being wellllll out of your wheelhouse and "means". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Shape matters. You're not getting a Swift from a Kardashian, and vice-versa.

Do you really have any clue?

TopperStupid,

I'm the only one in the conversation,that isn't guessing...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Again,simply cite your "Amazing" 270 Win concoction and I'll slap you silly with your own fhuqking STUPIDITY. You Brokedick CLUELESS Crying Karens are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint.

P.S. and by the way dangle pictures of "your" wares. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

I suspected you don't have any clue about Physics...You're just Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

TopperStupid,

You'd need a co-signer,to make the down payment on your first box of bullets...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon wares that exist as you Google a FIRST Fhuqking Clue. Hint.






Typical 270 Win 700 donor,wearing a Bart' 8" RPM spout in 280 OEM. MacaMillion,S/S Shilen Double-Ouncer,Nightfarce 1913 rail,Bushie LRTSi...yada,yada,yada. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Nice rifle Big Stick! I mean it.

TopperStupid,

You suck a mean ass,you Brokedick Day Dreaming Fhuqk...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Donor 270 with a 7" and change RPM Bart' 280 SALAMI and magfed .838 BC Smooches. Hint.







You Drooling CLUELESS Brokedick Crying Fhuqktards are a HOOT! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Yeah, keep laughing and enjoying yourself.

TopperStupid,

Your replies are getting lesser and lesser,as you realize your Glaring Dumbfhuqktitude...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Knock it out of the Park and dangle pictures of "your" wares,you Lying Clueless Fhuqk. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Still waiting about the Physics question? I take it you answer by posting pictures?

TopperStupid,

Physics isn't a "question",but rather a KNOWN quantity which escapes your Drooling Brokedicktitude...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon wares that exist,as you furiously Google a FIRST Fhuqking Clue,with zero "luck". Hint.

What do you "do" for a "living",which "rewards" you in sucha' fashion? Hint.

A 20" OEM 7-08 crushes an OEM 270 Win rather soundly. HINT.





Dangle some pics. HINT.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

More pictures? You are a waste of time.

I dig your hair-net,you Brokedick Minimum Wage Fhuqk,I mean...you "luckY" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

A .697 BC contends all thangs .277" nicely. Google as you MUST. Pardon wares that exist. Hint.

FHUQKING LAUGHING!





Pardon reality. Hint.






Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even a Whining Brokedick Crying Kchunt can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Gee, 190 grain MATCH bullets in a 7mm must be good for shooting paper targets at 600 yards from a bench...but a .270 shooting 130 or 140 grain hunting bullets shoots much flatter and kills game better at normal hunting distances like up to 350 yards. And you don't need seven or eight magazines and a stupidly heavy ,bulky scope to do it. While you're playing around with the dials on the scope the animals are long gone.

When I think about all the things I’ve killed with a 385 grain conical muzzleloader bullet and open sights I have to laugh at these discussions. Use whatever you want but killing things with (insert your favorite caliber) isn’t that hard, despite what the over invested might say.

SniffleKchunt,

I enjoy that your fhuqking Imagination and Pretend,have "seen"and "used" said projectiles...you LYING Clueless Kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

PLEASE cite "your" favored 130 and 140's,along with scopes you can't afford. Hint.

Bless your heart for TRYING.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............






'a,

Physics is Physics,despite your inability to recognize same...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Not all things are "equal" nor even "close" and bless your heart for misunderstanding. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............



Fhuqk your 385gr roundball,I'll take a .224" 75gr HPBT(Hornie). Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Yep I’m retarded. You win.

Sometimes those weapon restricted season actually provide opportunity to kill things in areas you simply can’t with modern centerfire rifles. You know, if you ever get out of SE.

For putting medium to large game in the freezer, out to ~ 350 yards - nothing beats the .270 Winchester cartridge.

Others may do this or that a little better (or worse), but your freezer will not notice the difference.

Easy on the wallet, and easy to find/get/shoot.






GR

aRetard,

Your "stance" yor dumbfhuqktitude...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Here's hoping your stance against The Second Amendment "grants" you more "freedom". You STUPID fhuqk. Hint

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........



Garand STUPID,

You are fhuqking CLUELESS...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart for trying though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..........

Yessir, the 270 is just about right…

gumkchunt,

Simply cite how "your" 270 "performs". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

Then dangle some pictures,of these "advantages". HINT Fhuqking LAUGHING!

You Brokedick Crying Fhuqktards are a HOOT! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

😂

I was out for dinner tonight and bumped into Stick…
Cute little fella didn’t have hims 7-08…
He was only armed with hims bottle and a shiitty diaper…

Fhuqktards,

You gals Googled yourselves...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you Fhuqktards can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

gunkchunt,

Your Drooling Brokedicktitude is HILARIOUS...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon wares that exist,as you Fhuqktards Google a "clue". Hint.







What can you Minimum Wage Retards do? Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!!..........

Hey Little Stick, are you still "wondering" whether your 2.600" cartridge will fit in a 2.5" NULA Model 20 Short magazine? I can't believe anyone could be so dumb.

SniffleKchunt,

Be SURE to cite your Dumbfhuqktitude aloud,as you "navigate" yourRetardation. Hint.



Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

One of the reasons the .270 became popular was because the recoil with a 130 grain projectile was a lot less than a 180 grain projectile out of a .30-06 case. It was found that most hunters could place their bullets better on distant game with the mild recoiling .270. So how does the 190 grain projectile from the .280 case, which is a necked down .30-06 case compare in terms of recoil to a 180 grain .30-06 projectile? And another reason the .270 became popular was because you could hold dead on out to 300 yards and hold on the backbone at 350 yards if you sighted the .270 3" high at 100 yards. So in other words it has a very good maximum point blank range. How is the MPBR with a 190 grain .280 projectile? And of course there's that saying bullets matter more than cases, so why doesn't Little Stick discuss terminal performance when he talks about these high bc match projectiles? I suppose metal plates and cardboard targets don't need to be killed. And Little Stick still hasn't answered my question on another thread, about how he gets any relevant hunting experience with each of his rifles when he has so many of them, and so many different projectiles for each rifle...unless they're mainly for the photographs to display on the internet forums.

SniffleKchunt,

Simply pardon wares that exist and paragraphs,you Drooling Dumbfhuqk. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Those same advantages work in favor of newer cartridges such as the 6.5 CM and others. You can kill an animal as dead as you do with the 270 at those distances, all with even less recoil. For longer ranges the short magnum and the PRC type simply outperform the old and venerable 270.

More options mean a smaller market share.

There are only a handful of legitimate, standard cartridges, 270win being one of the best of 'em. I can't think of much I haven't shot/killed with my old Rem700/270win. That being said, Long Live the King of them all, 30-06!

In fairness,Lapooey Twat-Six Virgins are a rather nice way to arrange finite headspace control,for the good stuff. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................

A number of years ago I bought a new Mod 70 stainless classic in 270 WSM. Topped it off with a Shepard's scope. Getting rid of both of them were two of the better decisions I ever made.

The 7 Whizzum do to the 270 Whizzum,what the 280 do to a 270...none of which is pretty. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

You mean it makes a half inch difference at 600 yards and is a complete exercise in mental masturbation because I shoot deer at 200 yards with a bullet that actually works on game?

The 6.5 CM starts off several hundred feet per second less than the .270 with the same weight bullet e.g. 130's...it doesn't have the same MPBR, and it doesn't have the frontal area that the .270 has. if you accept the argument that there is a slight difference in killing power between various cartridges, then the .270 kills better at normal hunting distances by reason of its faster velocity and bigger frontal area. The 6.5 PRC is a better comparison to the .270, but then the .270 WSM is better still.

No, no! We argue about which fly is better and then we remove the hairs from the fly's ass and split them down the middle and argue about which half is better.

I would never be able to notice the difference between a 270 and a 280. About half the time I have a 30-30 or 45-70 in my hands. I haven't shot past 150 yards in ages

That’s a good illustration of my point. More (similar, or at least arguably similar) options, that leads to a smaller market share, which was the OP’s question.

Ladies,

Some folks actually shoot,but you gals get to read about it...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The 130gr 264 JLK offers a .620BC and just "happen" to fly rather exceptionally and do Critters no favors,despite the .013" diameter "difference". Starting speed,ain't arrival speed. Now you CLUELESS Kchunts know too. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

Bless your hearts,for your GoogleFu.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Everyone fanning the flames in each other’s fire pits. It’s great reading material. Thank you!

That is correct, Big Momma. Ballistics development did not stop in 1925.

TopperStupid,

Fortunately for you,Imaginastion and Pretend are free,so even you can "afford" to "contribute"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You CLUELESS Kchunts are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint.

Pardon wares that exist,as you feverishly GooglFu for your First Fhuqking Clue. Hint.



Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though. You are doing "GREAT!".

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Wow. You're right, Larry. You knowledge of physics is extensive! So, for a typical hunting situation, a 130gr bullet with a BC of .62 and a MV of 2900 will, at 300 yards, have an arrival velocity of 2465. A 270 with a 130gr bullet (BC .45) and a MV of 3060 will have an arrival speed of 2445. Now THAT'S a "difference"!!

BTW, where did you study physics? Cal Tech, perhaps, or maybe MIT?

kchuntexas,

I get it,that you are a Google Gal and the only things you "shoot" are your mouth and Imagination...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'll take the shorter action,lesser rifle weight,reduced ES/SD,increase in accuracy/precision,the increase in terminal effects,reduction in recoil and greater ability to fend atmospherics. If only for starters. Hint.

At least now you can say you've "seen" one,which makes this a rather BIG Day for you. As an aside,3050fps is a breeze ala '26. Google as you MUST. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Especially like the .270 Win./150 gr. cup-n-core hunting loads.

They shoot like .30 M2 ball, and kick around the same, but perform very well at the lower, 2,800 fps muzzle velocity.

Inexpensive meat'gitters.






GR

Larry, you're exactly right,,,if one needs or wants to hit targets at longer ranges, then BCs rule. Yes, all of us dummies have figured that out


But it's all about selecting the right tool for the job. If your situation dictates that shots won't be more than a couple hundred yards, a BC of .4 (or less) is all that's required. Amazingly enough, all of us "lucky" kchunts have figured out what works for us,

I suppose you use a chainsaw with a 40" bar to cut saplings?


Oh, did I miss your answer as to where you studied physics?

Garand STUPID,

I've never seen or shot M2 Ball,PLEASE "tell" me "more"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



It will only come as a "SURPRISE!" to someone as Fhuqking Stupid as you,that every projectile I've cited is cup/core. Hint.

Bless your heart for TRYING though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................






kchuntexas,

You are sucking the wrong ass...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

There's no such thing as a 40" bar,yet saplings are doable and your Magnificent Fhuqking STUPIDITY is hilarious,only because you are doing your BEST. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!





It is funnier than fhuqk,that you Melting Snowflakes ALWAYS turn plural. Don't "forget" that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery either. Hint.

Be SURE to rattle your PomPom's if you find me "mistaken". Pardon my simply being afforded the luxuries of not being forced to guess,while all you can "do" is guess. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

With the .270 you can can shoot the 130's and 140's fast and flat for about 350 yards with a b.c. of over .5 for the 140's in a 1 in 10 twist. If you want to reach out further than that you use an 8 twist and shoot the 165's, 170's with a much higher b.c. or the longer 140's that require an 8 twist and have a bc of around .620. The .270 case is big enough to hold around 62 grains of slow burning powder to push those heavy's at a reasonable velocity. And of course there's the 150's for excellent penetration. Now if none of those options kill enough, you go to a bigger case, or a bigger case and jump to .338 and use 250's or copper 225's, or even 300's if the case is big enough.

SniffleKchunt,

Mainstay 264 Kreedmire 147gr Factory Fodder has a .697BC and now even you "know"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon it besting the .277" 170gr Berger's BC and now even you "know". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

It ain't even "fair" that .284's get a 180gr .796 BC and a 190gr .838 BC,not that you "shoot" ANYTHING other than your mouth and Imagination. Hint.




Bless your heart for Lying,Trying and Whining,you MAGNIFICENTLY Stupid Fhuqk.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

I'm talking killing animals with hunting bullets, not putting holes in paper targets that stay still with MATCH bullets.

SniffleKchunt,

I'm talking the Reality of stopping heartbeats,which is something you MUST read about...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Pardon the magfed 8" RPM Bart' Square Smooch and the box mentioning Match. As well as my typical.003" constriction ala TiN. Google as you MUST. Hint.




Bless your heart for Lying,Trying and Whining,you MAGNIFICENTLY Stupid Fhuqk.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

And how many animals have you lost and crippled shooting them at unrealistic hunting distances and not hitting the vitals with MATCH projectiles?

SniffleKchunt,

Your HILARIOUS Inabilities and Insecurities are not mine...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Spent Primers remain THE Supreme Tutorial and you Google Gals will never have a First Fhuqking Clue,that your Minimum Wage Blues ain't shared by all. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.

It is VERY easy to fhuqking KNOW what's gonna happen,before the trigger is even touched,for them who actually fhuqking shoot. That you've less than ZERO inkling to same,is more than a touch "telling" and here's to the HILARITY of your sanctity in cardboard labeling! Hornie .224" 75gr HPBT Match here. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!



Bless your heart for Lying,Trying and Whining,you MAGNIFICENTLY Stupid Fhuqk.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Those high bc bullets must have been very useful in that old, often posted photo. 20 yards away?

That being said,I've never met anyone who took one seriously,let alone used one as a "mainstay". Well, count me in that class of those who "took one seriously". I'd hunt anything in NA with a 270 without reservation. J.Y Jones did it with a 30-06 and 165s, I'm sure a 270 with 150s would work too!

SniffleKchunt,

Is this where you "reveal" that you FEVERISHLY follow my EVERY word and Splendid Pixel,like it's a "surprise"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

75 A-Max here ala 7.7" Krieger 22-250AI and it stands for Advanced Match Accuracy,if only to your Brokedick Chagrin(BC). Them puns,be intended. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!



Bless your heart for Lying,Trying and Whining,you MAGNIFICENTLY Stupid Fhuqk.

Your edit is cute.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............










257',

The LESS you "see","know" and "do" the "better" something is...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

One of my MOST Prized Possessions is a Winny Turnbolt Hornet,that a Sourdough Of Repute used to shoot Bald Eagles and Seals for Bounty. He told me he killed "over a "hunnert" Brown Bears with same,if only because it was what one did. Hint.

The 270 isn't much to laude,from any/all angles,if only in fairness. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

I remember another thread where you were "wondering" (again!!!) whether 75 grain MATCH bullets would "nuke"....but you just used them anyway. After-all, there's no photos of lost or crippled game is there? .22 Hornet on 100 brown bear...he's just bullschditting you stupid.

SniffleKchunt,

Be SURE to cite said Imaginary Thread...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

.243" 105 Hornie HPBT Match here,though at barely 3300fps. Hint.




Bless your heart for Lying,Trying and Whining,you MAGNIFICENTLY Stupid Fhuqk.

Your edit is cute.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

"The 270 isn't much to laude,from any/all angles,if only in fairness" - Stick, I've got no bone to pick with you but in "fairness", the 270 W has been getting it done for 97 years and counting...That's a very nice blackie BTW

'Bob,

I don't spook easy and am fluent in ALL things The Rifle. Hint.

Mormons have BELIEVED for far longer than that. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

So lets cut to the chase and simply talk Facts,rather than subjective fhuqking bullschit. For many moons,bullets simply sucked. For many more,scopes did too. More than that,chronographs didn't fhuqking exist. Nor did LRF's. Hint.

In ALL "fairness" the 270 Win was a rather nice option in 1925,just as electricity and running water were. In 2022 and for quite sometime,the 270 has been a rather schit choice,none of which is "subjective". It's easily whooped via smaller vessel(case size) and superior projectiles(bullets). Hint.

Hillary and Biden have a long career in Politics too,none of which is "redeeming". Hint.

Simply pull blinders,see what do what and keep it real. The 270 Win is simply a poor choice,for obvious reasons. HINT..................

B'

I think I have acquired a couple rifles chambered for the 270 Win you've not seen!

You got any good recent pix I've not seen?

Quien Sabe,


GWB

LMAO!!! 🤣

Stick, I don't challenge your fluency, that settled, as much as the shiny and new 6.5PRC is the darling of the internet crowd, the 270 matches step for step, at least out to 500 yards which is about 200 yards further that I prefer to shoot at live targets. The PRC being the newly fashionable design, the 270 being the old reliable, funny how everything old is new again!

270 W 145 ELDX 2970 FPS / .536 BC / 0 -1.5 / 100 0 / 200 -3.0 / 300 -11.0 / 400 -24.8 / 500 -45.1

6.5 PRC 143 ELDX 2960 FPS / .625 BC / 0 -1.5 / 100 0 / 200 -2.9 / 300 -10.7 / 400 -24.0 / 500 -43.4

G',

Your "unveiling" your newest Retard,only fascinates you..you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'm VERY "surprised" that you follow my every Word and Splendid Pixel. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

Keep "living" vicariously. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

'Bob,

I'm not a PRC Guy,if only obviously. Hint.

A Vanilla 280 will squirt a 180gr ELD .796 Smooch at 2800fps and it do thusly. Hint.



Bullets matter wayyyyyyy more than headstamps,if only again. 1000ft lbs to 1200yds is an indicator. Hint.

Just sayin'................

Well, as this thread has run 17 pages, I figured you might be involved.

Truth be told, after 14 years or so, I'm pretty much familiar with your standard repertoire of retorts. However, I am guilty of skimming to see if there are any new pix that are "marvy".

Ya!

GWB

Well, a 180 .284 at 2800 is an impressive killing machine but a 140 .277 at 3000 will do all I need doing...

G',

I'll feign my "SURPRISE!" that you follow all of my words and pics,with such loyalty. Hint. LAUGHING!

Having accidentally seen your pics,you undoubtedly have tried to "convince" yourself,that you "could too". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

Proficiency CAIN'T be purchased,as you extoll obliviously. Hint.

Same goes Trigger Time and relative aptitude,if only for starters. Hint.

Keeping it "fair". Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............






'Bob,

Funny how the things you are oblivious of,are "too much". Hint.

If only for conversation,dangle pics of said piece of fhuqking schit and let's muse particulars. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Tell it to the judge shortcakes….

The majority of moose that I have taken were with the .270 and 150 gr. bullets, mostly Partitions.

Jim

Well, I'll have to extract said piece from safe which is presently at home. For starters, subject #1 is a Win 70, stainless Shilen #2 at 24", McMillan stock and your favorite Leupy providing optical services. Subject #2 is a Christensen Arms carbon in a McMillan with another of the aforesaid favorite Leupys. I've owned about a 1/2 dozen over the decades, most became donors to feed the fire.

nunkchunt,

I'm VERY "surprised" they don't exist...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........






Canuck'Jim,

It's tough to wake DEAD critters up.(grin)

The .277" NPT in 150gr,is hardly "rugged" and you could bolster "odds". Hint

Just sayin'..........





'Bob,

Are you bitching. Or bragging? Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..........

One of the nice things about "operating within a narrow band of mediocrity" is.....



that one has nothing to prove!

ya!

GWB

sticky……Your so short your shoelaces hit you in the face don’t they….????….???

🤣🤣🤣


You little pecker pounder…..

Just when did we get to the point of insulting people over a cartridge or caliber...it makes no sense shoot and own what makes you happy...if you like high bc bullets use them if you like your 270 use it....they all will kill and fill your freezer and will long after we are all dead...I think some of you need more attention or demand more respect than warranted

G',

That piece of fhuqking schit wouldn't last a Tide Change,let alone an afternoon of use...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart for TRYING soooooooooo hard though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............






nunkchunt,

I'm HAPPY to be whatever you NEED...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Perhaps extoll on what you "do" for a "living" and why you are amongst THE Cryingest Of Kchunts? Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................







'270,

You Crying Karens are a HOOT!...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Don't "forget" your punctuation Fhuqktard. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Sticks been showing the same tired pics of the same 6 deer and bear for the last 20 years. The little fat bastard doesn't kill diddly shyt except with his bad breath and BO..

Joan,

You MAGNIFICENTLY Crying Kchunt,I've made more this year to date,than you have in the last 10 years...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Do NOT "forget" your Heralded Imaginary Pretend Ignore and how you "can't read this",you Drooling Fhuqktard. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Well….. I sell midget clothing, I’m sure we can shorten them just for you!

LMAO ! Stick in Drag !

nunkchunt,

As THE Resident Do NOTHING Fhuqk,your Imagination and Pretend are "honored"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart for Lying,Crying and Trying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

No need to fret, B,



At +/- 1,500' elevation, tide changes are not a problem.

ya!

GWB

Very nice as usual G!

lil sticker… I can’t seem to make the ‘270 bullets bounce off as of yet.

Just nuts ain’t it!! 🤣🤣

You little fish lickin’ ankle biter…

Bahahahaha…

Aww hell. I guess that deer I shot with my 270 and ate all winter wasn't really dead.

I can’t believe you guys haven’t seen the light!? Maybe pigs don’t need high BC bullets like blacktails and black bears. 🤷‍♂️😂

yes, whenever I employ a 270 Win,




The bullets seem to perforate with aplomb!



That's just nutz'



perhaps it's the lack of salt water.

Quien Sabe,

GWB

Holy Sore Sack! That just looks painful G!

Damn….

I'll see you a pair....




and offer a toast!



to perforating critters with a 270 Win!

ya!

GWB

Lol…. A fist bump and pinky promise. 😃

gunnut308-

LOL. That looks like the front end of the Faulk Monster!!!!

Ha!! Did you ever see the movie “The Legend of Boggy Creek”


https://www.legendofboggycreek.com/

Hey nut licker, whats your 7-08 pig load?

A bit of a derailment but who cares.

I didn't read every post in this thread, but this generation's 6.5 man bun is our fathers generations 270 Win.

You Crying Karens are a TRIBUTE,

You "Lucky" Kchunts.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

2800 fps with a 180 grain bullet in a .280. What barrel length and what powder?

I have three 270's presently and all have been used to kill feral hogs, whitetails, mule deer and 2 of them have taken elk. Mostly used the 150 grain flat based spitzers from Hornady, Speer and Nosler. Some shots were as far as I will shoot at game that being 450 yards or so. Everything died quickly and penetration/destruction was plenty good enough. I just can't see how my 280AI or any other cartridge would have done better. I just started using 130 grain bullets and they work splendidly also. But then I am not short and have no fetish issues with long bullets. I don't "dial" with my hunting rifles and won't take long shots when the wind is crazy. I got into the 270 and 30-06 back when the field was pretty narrow and they worked perfectly then and do now. If it were not for my 7-08 I would probably use my 270's for everything I still hunt.

My go to load for the 7mm-08



Has been the 140 Gr. Accubond.






some rifles chambered for the 7mm-08






I recently have also had good luck with the 150 gr. Hornady ELD-X bullets.

I am now using those in the full stock Sako




as well as the Steyr-Mannlicher Carbine.





and the full stock Model 7 Custom Shop rifle.

ya!

GWB

Geedub, ya could always chisel that wart looking thing off the butt.

GW,

I sorely regret not buying the MS last year. What a beautiful little rifle. I love mine in 308. Also, what is that other full length stock rifle with the LPS on it in an above picture? Beautiful rifles per usual.

Yeah. Then touch it up with tru oil after buffing.

Any kills with the ELD-X yet?

I didn't read through this mess, but assume Larry (Big Stick) didn't put up a picture of any animal he's taken with the 270?

Could be wrong, and often am.

A trapper is known by his furs, not by his mouth.

Lil Fish,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the 130gr 6.5mm JLK does not have a BC of .620.

Figured I better set you straight as to "wares" that exist.

But use your imagination as you please.

You may thank me later.

John.

He's going to be so disappointed. Imagine the effect of a lower bc on his 20 yard shots at deer.

That is a Custom Sako AIII. Like most rifles I own I got that one pre-enjoyed. I was told by the seller that the work was done by IT&D Custom Guns(IIRC).

The top Rifle is also a Sako, chambered for the 222 Rem Mag.

ya!

GWB

These two have counted coup on a few. ( Ya' I know that counting coup was touching a live enemy, but they were alive when perforated.)



Due to circumstances I've not been perforating as many critters lately.



nailed this guy last season.

The Dakota 10 is a Shooter






But so far......




only targets of opportunity.



ya!

GWB

Ooooopsie! 25gr V-Max here and only 3900fps. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

Sticky .... Wut u doing behind the deer ?

My god! Nobody has as many beautiful rifles as you! Thanks for sharing! Just beautiful! Best part is they kill stuff!

35gr V-Max Square MagFed Fire Form Smooches here,at at 3050fps. Hint.







Safe Queens all. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Dink you wounded and found a day later...... Good lord Mr. Hormel Ballistic God shoots a buck at 40 yards and proclaims bullets matter more than head stamps! haha Any rifle on earth could'a kill't that buck. Loud mouth fktard... Paper punchin ballistic app biatch... Your disabled right? 4' 10".

Kill them in a spot light and drag em to the river?? haha out the window of your Prius.... Haha god lord your a douche bag

Haha as soon as you posted this he dug up his poaching pics.. Good lord. Shots a buck out the window with a spot light and drags them to the river the next day!!!! haha epic douche bag schitt! lol I'm dying here. What a chcunt!

The Brokedick Blues NEVER disappoint,in their High Pitched Splendor...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Do NOT "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Oooooopsie! Too late! Hint.

75gr A-Max Square Smooch here,ala 7" RPM Rock. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

OMG! Good thing that bullet mattered at 30 yards!!! hahaha old bacon throat doing the best she can! dying here!!!

Whoopy fuggin shyt. I killed my first deer with an iron sighted .22 LR when I was 12 and the retarded Alaskan dwarf thinks he's accomplished great feats with his scoped centerfires. LMFAO

Yet a 'nother KHorn Form Load here,ala 33's this time. Hint.



Fortunately,punctuation is free,as compared to Pixels,for them who are farrrrrrr less fortunate. Hint.

Don't "forget" about your Imaginary Pretend Ignore Ladies.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................

haha! again good thing bullets mattered at 60yds! poor kid dealing with your sawed off ass his whole life...

Your copious Brokedick Insecurities are fhuqking HILARIOUS...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'm rather "tender". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!



75gr A-Max Fireform Magfed Square Smooch here,ala 7" RPM Mike Rock. You'd need a co-signer for the tape. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!



Groovin' on your Brokedick Whine.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Good god ! haha your shrimp dick ass posting that old [bleep]! Your standing there like my [bleep] ass is tougher than your [bleep] ass! haha good lord that's not impressive! Haha you live in the van by the river? My god your a sorry assed fk! Your daughter must be so proud of all 4' 10" of you. Trust me your kids wish that pic would go away.

I enjoy how deeply your WELL founded Insecurities effect you...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Your Whining Brokedicktitude is rather soothing,if only due a "life" of "practice". DO tell what you"do",if only for more LAUGHS. Hint!



CONVINCE yourself,that you "could too". Hint.

P.S. and by the way,a $320+ tree. Hint

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Haha still reaching as deep as you can hoping you'll wake up taller! LOL good god save your kids the troubles! Sawed of lil yappin Jack Russel douche bag. Bet your daughters running around showing all her friends your sawed off hickory pic! OMG Not! shes ashamed as fk. But hey i bet your next kill at 40yds is gonna be like fk! Can't believe he just hit me with a bullet that mattered!!! fkin dyin here.

I've only cut 100+ Million Board Feet myself and your copious Insecurities are heart warming...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

75gr A-Max Square Magfed Smooch here. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!

Hint...................

Nice fuucking spike!!!😂😂😂

Diggin the coop pics from 15 years ago when he didn't have a choice, but to "like" you!! Haha


Any killin pics since he started hating your guts you washed up bitch???😁👍

Droolers UNITE,in your "Victim Status" and cry aloud...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?




Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Thanks for response. You have a stunning collection of rifles. That seem to cause lots of casualties in TX!

Ya know...if my dick was that short I don't think I would post that picture.

LMAO. Always figured Stick for a Mental Midget.
Didn’t know he was a real midget. 😂😂😂

Hung like a ken doll.

You Prick looking Kchunts are a HOOT! Hint.

Yet another $700 day,with a stapler. Hint.



At least Imagination and Pretend are free,so you Brokedicks can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Saw is taller than you. Not that that would be much of an accomplishment.

Show us your thighs again, Danny Devito Of The Woods.

LMAO !

Ladies,I've long been at ease in The Magnitude,you be CERTAIN to cite your Insecuities...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?



You gals lament your Brokedicktitude aloud. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

Time has done you no favors, that’s for sure!! Haha

Plug your c-pap back in and go ni ni hog neck. 👊🏻

When that fat sumbich starts sweating…

He smells like bacon fryin’

I haven't used mine in years. I might have to pull it out next season.

I built one on an Arisaka action years ago. Nothing fancy, cheap Gunparts barrel.This was for once in a life time sheep hunt on Pikes Peak. I killed nice ram with it at about 400 yards then gave it to my niece for a whitetail rifle . It worked about as good as any 06 I had . I don't think it fell out of favor.Today's rifle buyers are just lured to all these XYZ chamberings by the market hype.

I liked the 270 because it would shoot most bullets and most weights to the same POI without much fuss

JudLady,

You keep "living" vicariously...you "lucky" Kchunt. Hint Congratulations?!?

I was there and you WISH you were. Hint.






Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

Oh stop it liar Larry, lazy bitch ass bushelor.. haha

From the couch last week, tough living, I was “there too”. Keep waving poms poms reliving days gone by, as these are the good Ol days.

Sol duc springers Nancy, try it👊🏻

JudLady,

i "barely" catch 1000 Salmonids a year,didn't buy a third boat and have "only" conjured your EVERY thought for decades...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

But you're still really little (in every respect) and nothing can change that.

New to this forum, don't have any dog in any fight, don't know anybody. Seems to me Lady Stick is what Hemingway wanted to be, sans the book writing schit.

Hint.

Blah blah fuucking blah… notice the bait and bobbers? We “catch” fish down here, no snagging or flossing. Haha

PS, was Burns right about the jlk bc? 😘😂

Pretty funny when our cutthroat are brighter than your steelhead!!! Haha

Sorry bout the pic quality, but most folks will get the point. 👍

Fuuck!!! 270’s, that’s right! Only took me 47 year to get my first one, I’m excited about the possibilities!! Another plus, ammo is cheap so I can really shoot up the hillsides!! Haha

My favorite bullets in the 7-08 are the 140 gr. Partition and the 150 grain Ballistic tip, both sourced in the past from Shooters Pro Shop. Bought a bunch and stuck with em.

Cool, that is a big one.

Brother Jud that is a beautiful cutthroat...
It's funny now reading post by Big Stink these days is like a time warp... same old bullshit, same old pic's etc....
Kinda reminds me of the dude that peaked in high school and never moved on... kinda sad..

awwww man, that is a fawking gorgeous trout !

Couple twins out back a bit ago, instead of fuuckin with em, posing window lickers for pics etc, I simply leave them the fuuck alone and watch em. Hint

Thanks Brian, love the big sea runs👊🏻

All do respect, that sack of shiit didn’t peak at anything, that ain’t a guess. Here o go “acting tough” and “commenting on stuff I don’t know about”!! Haha love the campfire and the emotionally charged jealous Nancy’s, never not funny though. Got oh 5 or 6 rifles I’ve never shot, gotta get to it, including my svelte new 270!! Got lotsa ammo so I can shoot the living fuuck outta the hillsides again!! Hell ya!! 👊🏻

Good luck this year, hope you get after some pike and cuttys this year. 👍 pics are always handy brother.

JudLady,

I enjoy how "REAL" your Imagination and Pretend are to you...you "lucky" Kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Be SURE to Start a Thread,if you ever shoot a round! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Hog neck, as mentioned before, I got hanging steel to 500 right out my back door, I’m not like you and your biitch fanboys that have to “load up and go to the range” with all the other dumbcuunts. I’ve the luxury of having a “nice” place…

26th anniversary dinner.


Feel free to start a thread if you get married again and make it to 26 years.. nawwww, that lard laden heart will give out before you can make it that long!! Haha

Obviously “shooting “ isn’t too high on my priority list. Hell the secret squirrel campfire Bitchboy pm crew thinks I don’t know how to twist a turret!! Haha

1 thing is for certain, I will continue to stack bone and furs with relatively ease, as you know. 👊🏻

Of course.

It's my shtick.

Be right on all things ballistic.

Liar Larry, was burns correct or you feedin the no killin donkeys shiit like the “phantom” hornet that’s killed over 1,000 brown bear!??? Haha 😂

You poor stupid fuucking dummy!!! Lmao

JudLady,

Your copious Insecurities are a HOOT! and you can almost punctuate for yourself...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Pardon wares that exist. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

High B.C 200 grain stuff here!

Hopefully hog hammers come fall!

10Gouge,

25 'Max here and barely 3900fps...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?




"Hope" ain't required. Hint.

Fhjuqking LAUGHING!.............

Bacon throat, is burns correct? If burns is lying, I’ll leave you alone and never fuuck with you again.. pinky promise!

Haha he looks like he just got stumpfukked by a real man.. yet hes so proud. Just got done spitting out bubba's load. kills bucks with bullets that matter at 60yds! oh fk you guys are a hoot!

JudLady,

It's your Imagination,simply Pretend with it as you MUST...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Now you and Joan Squirms can "bask" in the "glory"of never having even seen said projectile. Hint.



Pardon wares that exist and against your "worth". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Typical lying fuucking thief… how many Pards you fuucked now??? Haha

Hey, the city slick flatbill fanboys think you’re the shiit though!!! Lying cull. Oh but you’re nice on the phone!!! Lmfao

Great guy, I’ve learned sooooooo much from you!!! Haha

Haha Nicks big bull died last year a 462yds with a bullet that didn't matter outta a .270! And old bacon throat is having a tough go of it killing bucks at 65yds with bullets that matter! 4'-10" driving a compact!!!! oh fk dyin here!!!

Hey, liar Larry saw a elk once!!! Haha

This thread still,has legs ? LMAO

Typical liar Larry bullshiit. The kelpbed and Crockett boat sluicing crew never disappoints!! Haha 😂

Lil Fish,

Well a 130gr JLK 6.5mm with a BC (G1,G5 or G7) of .620 does not exist.

That's simply a fact.

Pretend as you will but such wares don't exist.

Lie some where else.

Thanks.

JudLady,

Pardon a simple weekday,exceeding your "Imagination"...you "lucky" Kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The Company handed out 3000+ checks for 75K$ each,last year. PLEASE fascinate yourself with punctuation,you can't perform and add your schitty pictures. Hint.


Fhuqking Laughing!.................

The imagination and pretend is real. But so are head shot spikes and beach killed button bucks.. rather fuucking amazing. But hey, she’s such a nice bitch on the phone!!! Haha

Liar Larry, don’t ignore John you lying fuuck😂

Haha nobody including your kids or future husband is impressed by your paychecks! Lol when your a douchebag your a douchebag,,, Haha 4'-10' riding in a compact! haha Under 100yd dinks with bullets that matter! omg! too funny

Btw, there’s a thread up top, you and 260 can talk about $$$$ all you want, some of your vicarious fanboys are there too.

Oh how’s Kerri like the alimony?? I’m glad you got to keep the shack and all (18) broken boats!!! Haha 😂😂👊🏻

Danny Devito of the Woods does not have to answer your questions. He is busy putting his rifles in the streams and taking no new pictures.

Gotta give him credit. He didn't skip leg day.

I think the reason he loves BC so much is because he is so ballistically inefficient. Not long and skinny.

He gets it all done even though he is a round ball.

Izzat efficient...?

18 broken boats! omg laffin my azz off!

26 years cuunt, spent primers can’t buy that! You gargling fat necked washed up fuuck.

i wish u were here quotes

Jesus Christ, straight Indian rez shiit!!! Haha

75k ? That’s like 45k in 2022. Wanna be a balla!

Why are you staring at her legs?

Well she posted it and I thought something looked odd. Turns out what looked odd was weird 9 inch legs and no dick that was apparent. Lol

I'm cryin here!!! omg!

KchuntNozzles,

Your CRIES are "real".Hint. Congratulations!?!

I "barely" make 250K a year.

You gals are "mean".

Hint

LAUGHING!....................

It's not how much you make, it's how much you keep.... it's called wealth

If I looked like a three foot gay ken doll I would have to make 250k so I could keep from killing myself in my trailer, surrounded by guns and stickers so I wouldn't have to realize no one gives a fug about me.

Ghetto trash can't help but brag about the "paycheck" lmfao

Osh kosh b'gosh, there, Devito. That's a lot of money. Hope it makes you feel less like a POS.

Rest of us got people who love us. But you got BC. And that's cool too...

Making $250k a year is great .... until you can no longer work... then what?

I barely make 25k. I come here to vent.