I picked up a new 84L Subalpine 30-06 yesterday and am wondering if there are any alternatives to Talley LW's. I do not want a rail. TIA.

Never heard of an 84L. Hint.




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The DD's are a good choice and always seem to stay put but I would rather have something on a Weaver-style base. Doubt that it would work any better for fishing though. GD

I've only used them on 84M's but Warne 2 piece bases with Warne Mt Tech 30mm lows have become my preference. Should be noted that the bases are weaver width....and the Mt Tech's mate well with them.

https://warnescopemounts.com/m889-843m-kimber-m84-with-8-40-screws-matte/

https://warnescopemounts.com/7213m-warne-mountain-tech-30mm-low-matte-rings/

Ed, last time I used something other than Talley's, I used Warne steel Weaver-style bases with Burris Zee's in low. Worked great as I was looking to add a bit of weight to the 300 WSM. Must have been over 12 years ago. I've used something like 30 pairs of Talley's with no problem, but I do lap them and use a torque wrench rather that making them Neanderthal tight.

I've only had (8) sets of LW's puke on me and I don't know anyone who Hunts/Shoots a smidge,that hasn't puked a set. I realize that ain't apples to apples,because Bradgelina has never even shot 8rds by herself,in a year. Hint.






Don't forget to lap them Reupolds in! Hint.







To the chagrin of Crying Karens eveywhere,Hay Bales and High Heels ain't that tough on Riggin'. Hint.

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Stick...TFF

The turrets do make nice handle for lapping..

Yeah. Leupis track like Stevie Wonder on a blood trail.

All over the phuuucking place ...

I've been happy with my DD. Zero issues but also - the rifle leads an easy whitetail life in MI.

You boys sure are hard on Reupold,Hay Bales and High Heels. Hint.








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I appreciate the replies gents. A forum member offered a set of new Leupold Back Country rings dirt cheap. They are mediums (Leupold does not make lows) so we shall see. I have Talley LW's on my Montana and they have been just fine installed as Brad does his.

I’m happy with filed Warne Maxima bases and Burris XTR Sig rings.

Yes, Warne steel bases and Mtn Tech rings. Many other good US Made rings too.


Looks like you're set with the Leupolds...

I do wish that Warne offered Maxima's in 1913,for more than a few flavors. No thang as mentioned,to open 'em up same and Signature's with 40 MOA added to the equation,only sweetens the pot. Hint.




While the Burris Zee's are steaming piles of fhuqking schit,the Signature tend to be robust +P+. Hint.





Just saying.

Hint.

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Talley bases and split rings.

Never had a issue with the Redfield or Leupold base/rings with the windage adjustable screws. I have them on two Kimbers now. Aligned windage so cross hairs start out centered in the tube.
Ring height choices to allow scope mounted as low as practical.

Talley’s don’t turn my crank much…but to each his own. They do work. Warne is what I’d prefer but they do weigh more than the Talley’s.

Now as far as EPIC Bottom Of The Fhuqking Barrel Dog Schit Mounting "Systems" go,LW's are assuredly a Train Wreck,Burris Zee's are HILARIOUS,Millett Angle Loc's akin to same and STD's an Absolute Fhuqking Joke. I've puked multiples of each,but admittedly High Heels and Haybales ain't my gig and Safe Queens are of less than ZERO fhuqking interest to me. Hint.

It's never been difficult to cypher who shoots and who don't,if only as per always...Spent Primers remain The SUPREME Tutorial. Hint.

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I have been slowly changing over to the Warne Weaver style rings, Burris Tactical bases Stick led me to, and other of that style including Picatinny bases on many of my rifles just because I feel they are a lot more secure and lock up is substantial. I've also gone to more substantial rings after watching what works and I have much fewer scope issues these days. I've had too many Leupold and Redfield STD with rear windage screws slip or have the screws come loose or break to trust them on anything that matters. I've tried a few of the Burris Zees and I just can't get a warm and fuzzy for them. They just seem like a child's toy once you've had a substantial base and ring combo on a rifle you trust explicitly....

I have to laugh like most of you when Stick throws his stuff around, in creeks, and across the ground- but he tests his stuff like none of us would dare to in most cases. You don't see his scopes falling off or even getting out of adjustment since very early in his testing . If he says it works it probably does...

Shooting day in and day out,will learn a guy something. Especially when one's vocation,entails said wares being in tow. Nice to shoot before,during and after work,with reloading equipment by the side. Hint.

Schit happens and that's part of the fun. When said events repeat,they become trends. Add some like minded individuals along the way and some good R&D happens by literal default. I've never met anyone who likes their schit to puke,so there's more than a few MAINSTAYS,established along the way. Few could even begin to grasp the volume or the rigors associated and I'm pretty certain I was just having fun and still am. That to the chagrin of Crying Karen Melting Snowflakes the World over. Hint.

I REALLY enjoy,"heart endorsements" by folks who haven't whistled halfa fhuqking box of ammo through said wares and are never gonna complete same. MUCH of Mechnical Integrity is easy to see,with even a casual glance. Then are some wares which make senses,but the Metallurgy is compromised,which is something that must be experienced and can't be discerned visually. My favorite is the High Pitched Whining High Heel Gang,crying "foul!" as their Do Nothing Dumbfhuqktitude is slapped upside their pointy heads. Key is to keep lotsa slack rope available and welcome all to partake,but for "some" reason,it just don't ever go the way they "think". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

I've flogged on more than a few Montuckies and have shot more than a few barrels outta same,mainly because I LOVE 'em. They are dirty duty ruggedly reliable platforms,but due their very nature,are oft saddled with mounting systems and glass that CAN'T fhuqking work. The Paper Hat Brigade might get that halfa box of ammo out of same,over the course of years and "think" they've Lightning in a bottle,but that ain't how the chips fall. If only for starters. Pardon decades of that,on every outing. Hint.

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I’ve been thinking about this thread and mounts for Kimber rifles. Seeing Big Sticks experience with LW’s. I have two with Talley LW’s and thought they could stay for now. Have to scope my 223 Montana.

Except, took out my 84L classic 30-06, scope in LW’s, this afternoon after cleaning a few rifles I have been away with .. last time I shot it was way off what was sighted in a couple years ago, and with wet conditions and Covid haven’t shot it until a month ago at range and had to adjust scope. Today I noticed front right mount had fractured top ring right across both ring screws! Bugger.

So now probably Burris Signatures. Learnt the hard way but at least wasn’t my 6.5CM Hunter with Talley LW’s I was away hunting with.

After having two sets of Talley LWs break on a .300 WSM and a .308, I'm done with them. On the other hand, all my experiences with Talley QDs have been stellar. After the LWs broke on my Adirondack I switched over to QDs and then installed a front sight so I can use the rifle scoped or with their peep. Now I use one scope with 150s at 2800 up in the alpine, and another scope and the peep for 200s at 2350 for my woods hunting. Easy peasy.

Very disappointing to read. I have Talley rings on almost all of my rifles, I sure do not want to go about replacing them all. Luckily, I dont shoot any single gun all that much.

I have Talley’s on 223, 6.5, 30/06, and 9.3.
It cracked on the 9.3. If I can’t sell the rifle, I’ll
Probably get DNZ one piece for that one.
The 06 has seen hundreds if not close to 1000 rounds with out a failure.
The costumer service at Talleys is top notch and took care of me in a hurry.

Don't overlook S&K mounts and rings I feel better now after hearing I'm not the only one that's had alley lightweights break.

I’ve had Talleys go tits up as well. Talley replaced them and so far so good. I do have one set that is a 30 mm set on a 270 WSM and I will see how they hold up. That being said, they are the last ones I’ll own. I’ve also had Leupold bases and rings go bad on me in the last year as well.

I'd go with Talley LW. I haven't broken any yet. There are possibly stronger options but those are generally steel and I see no point in going with a high dollar rifle to cut weight, then using heavier steel when lighter aluminum parts that work well are available. Counter-productive. Then again, I don't put a 30 mm hubble-esque scope on my UL rifle either, rather, I use set-it-and-forget-it scopes that come in between 11 and 15 ounces on my Kimbers.

These days, I save steel mounts/rings and 1.5 to 2 pound scopes for 10 pound rifles.

Others' mileage may vary ...

You'll have a change of heart when you get a Talley lightweight crack on you. Good luck with them.. If you don't shoot much, they will probably work out alright, but if you use it you'll eventually find yourself schidt out of luck..

On my two rifles with broken Talleys, one was a Leupold VX II 2-7, and the other was a Leupold 3-9 ultralight..........just sayin'.

The rifle my LW's broke on wasn't shot much, as mentioned 84L Classic. With Leupold 2.5-8x. Not much use or scope weight.

I really don't think it is a matter of use, and maybe scope mass, but the strain on the aluminium being too much. Also, mine were torqued correctly with a torque wrench.

So many people on here have had issues that I think I won't be going forward with them, so much of a problem if they go tits up on a hunt.

And people talking about a weight difference don't really know what that difference is between something like the steel Warne's and Burris Zee's vs. the Talley lightweights. The difference in strength is far more important IMHO vs. the extra 2 oz's in weight.

I use the Talley Fixed Ring with the separate bases. A couple of Oz's heavier and a little pricey but strong as hell. I sprung for the Stainless Steel and they look great an a Montana!

Stick, what's your experience with the steel Talleys?

.885 Nf ultralights, and these for bases. Almost as light as ultralights, but wont fail. Fairly low(same as talley mediums).

https://store.kimberamerica.com/84-two-piece-picatinny-bases

You’re welcome....

I use some Talley steel bases and some alloy 1913 rails. Hint.

20MOA 2pc 1913? No thang,even on the fly. Hint.












Bases don't puke,rings do. Hint..............

Awfully proud of them. 😂
Wonder who makes them?

S&K

I have been using the Talley Stainless Steel Fixed Rings and Stainless Steel bases, strong as hell and really don't add much weight. I have then on my Fieldcraft and Model 70's and even a 10/22. They look great, pricey but IMHO worth it.