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My Lilja 1-7 twist Montana dupe should be done in a couple weeks so looking to use it on antelope and deer this year possibly. What bullet would you try first?

It will be a 22-250 AI as I already have brass and dies for that cartridge and other rifles so chambered with slower twist barrels.

Under 400 yds

Thanks

I have 80 and 88 ELD-M
75 grain Swift
75 Hornady HPBT
63 and 75? Hammer
90 Sierra
Not opposed to buying others if I can find them
The 77 TMK from Sierra is an instant sorta killer.

Probably won’t exit but man stuff hates them.

The 62 TTSX is good too if you wanna drill bones and like thru and thrus.
I can’t see either of those ELD-M not working just fine.

The Hammers have an excellent reputation as well.
Originally Posted by beretzs
The 77 TMK from Sierra is an instant sorta killer.

Probably won’t exit but man stuff hates them.

The 62 TTSX is good too if you wanna drill bones and like thru and thrus.


I love how sleek that 77 is and it passes the FBI's penetration tests. I'm running the 77 SMK OTM in my 22-20 and it shoots great.
62 grain TTSX
If the 75 gr Swift will shoot in your gun , that is the one I would go with
My go to .224 deer bullet is the 65 grain SGK, but there are several others I'd like to try. I have to remind myself that, despite all our agonizing over bullet choice, for the most part C&C bullets are more alike than different, as are mono's for that matter. Given that you've got a fast twist and a big boiler room, I'd think about anything from 64 grains on up would work just fine. I think I'd go with the 77 grain SMK, just because I'd like to try it.
Originally Posted by irfubar
If the 75 gr Swift will shoot in your gun , that is the one I would go with

That’s a great one, IF it shoots for ya.
Originally Posted by irfubar
If the 75 gr Swift will shoot in your gun , that is the one I would go with

If they behave like the .243,.257,.277, and .284 Scorocco's I'd be all in. Fingers crossed.
You might pm GregW if he doesn't weigh in. I believe he has killed multiple Coues deer with his 22-250 AI.
70 gr TSX.
Can’t say I’d be scared of the 75 eld but the 62 ttsx might be friendlier.

77 LRX would be worth a look as well if you run across any.
We’ve used a 1-7” plain 22-250 on a couple of coues deer with the 77 Tipped Matchking. I’m happy with the performance. It’s not a hot rod load, likely quite a bit slower than the AI can push them though.
Same gun with a 77LRX worked very well on a mule deer at 450 yards. I wish they’d come back in stock
Originally Posted by hanco
62 grain TTSX

These bullets absolutely work, I have killed 2 deer with 2 shots with them in a unit were mono's were mandated. they have a horrible B.C. but if the OP is limiting his shots to 400yds.......

Of what the OP has on hand I would try the ELD's, my current 22-250AI prefers the Berger 80gr VLD
I’ve killed a pile of deer with the 88 eld outta my 22 Creed
As has been mentioned, the 62 ttsx is a great bullet. Killed multiple mulie and wt bucks, one out around 450 yards with my 22-250. Might have been ai at that time, I rebarreled to saami but getting same velocities.

Actually been planning on rescoping mine and dragging it out this winter. I haven't shot it much since moving to the woods lol.
I load 62 grain Bear claws for my 22-250. They are hell on pigs.
Originally Posted by Higginez
Can’t say I’d be scared of the 75 eld but the 62 ttsx might be friendlier.

77 LRX would be worth a look as well if you run across any.

I've got a box of these to try and coax some sort of stabilization out of either of my 1-8 22-250s at my altitude of 5300' which is iffy at best.

Those 77's are long sumbitchs at 1.182 inch. By comparison the 75 eld is 1.113 and the 70 Accubomb is only 0.992.
I'm still questioning this build as I've seen way too many deer and antelope smashed with 55 grain BT's and Hornady SP's out of 223's and 22-250's to even contemplate that any heavier would kill any faster.

I guess I'm just feeding the loonie.
Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
I'm still questioning this build as I've seen way too many deer and antelope smashed with 55 grain BT's and Hornady SP's out of 223's and 22-250's to even contemplate that any heavier would kill any faster.

I guess I'm just feeding the loonie.

It’s a good thing! Still a bigger killer than most suspect. One of our members is doing a Middlestead and planning to use 55 TTSX’s. I’m betting it’ll wallop deer real well.
I’ve killed Whitetails, pigs and ‘yotes with 75gr Amaxes from a 22-250 at 3200. It was the proverbial lightning bolt. Having a 22GT barrel spun up. Will start with 88gr ELDs in that.

John
I have a non AI Ruger 77 Mk 2 in 22.250...

I've taken down deer ( blacktails) with a 68 gr and/or 75 gr BTHP Hornady.

They worked just fine...the 80 grain A Max is also a damn good bullet for that kind of service..

Don't ask me why, but I think they are more accurate than the 75 grain A Max.
HAMMER
Originally Posted by Hondo64d
I’ve killed Whitetails, pigs and ‘yotes with 75gr Amaxes from a 22-250 at 3200. It was the proverbial lightning bolt. Having a 22GT barrel spun up. Will start with 88gr ELDs in that.

John
John,

What twist did you go with on the .22 GT? I'm thinking 6.5T 5R 0.219"-bore for my next .223 that'll shoot 88s.
I would also run hammers
Originally Posted by Hondo64d
I’ve killed Whitetails, pigs and ‘yotes with 75gr Amaxes from a 22-250 at 3200. It was the proverbial lightning bolt. Having a 22GT barrel spun up. Will start with 88gr ELDs in that.

John


Should be a bad azzed rifle right there. I have a lot more respect for the .22 cal, since shooting it out past 600. Was shooting some 69gr SMK out of one of my new AR uppers just a little while ago and that thing is boringly accurate at 400 yards. I need to take my new Tikka 1 in 8 22-250 out more often. Waiting for the range to be extended to 1,000 yards here locally, then I'll start wearing out some barrels. Been shooting with some guys running 6GT's and those things are lightning bolts, if there ever was one. That 22GT probably in the same boat.
I would use some 75 gr Gold Dots if you could find some.
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by Hondo64d
I’ve killed Whitetails, pigs and ‘yotes with 75gr Amaxes from a 22-250 at 3200. It was the proverbial lightning bolt. Having a 22GT barrel spun up. Will start with 88gr ELDs in that.

John
John,

What twist did you go with on the .22 GT? I'm thinking 6.5T 5R 0.219"-bore for my next .223 that'll shoot 88s.

Went with a 7” twist .219 bore. Couldn’t find a Bartlein, Krieger, or Brux anywhere so went with an Osprey Barrel Works from Patriot Valley. Pretty new, but seem to be establishing a good reputation. I have read so much about the 88gr ELDs grenading in flight that I considered a slower twist but then you have marginal stabilization. I’m going 20” barrel to make things a little handier with a can, so should be looking at 3000 to 3100 fps. Hopefully the RPMs will be low enough to let things hold together.

John
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by Hondo64d
I’ve killed Whitetails, pigs and ‘yotes with 75gr Amaxes from a 22-250 at 3200. It was the proverbial lightning bolt. Having a 22GT barrel spun up. Will start with 88gr ELDs in that.

John


Should be a bad azzed rifle right there. I have a lot more respect for the .22 cal, since shooting it out past 600. Was shooting some 69gr SMK out of one of my new AR uppers just a little while ago and that thing is boringly accurate at 400 yards. I need to take my new Tikka 1 in 8 22-250 out more often. Waiting for the range to be extended to 1,000 yards here locally, then I'll start wearing out some barrels. Been shooting with some guys running 6GT's and those things are lightning bolts, if there ever was one. That 22GT probably in the same boat.

Considered the .22 Creedmoor but barrel life is reported to be pretty short. Sounds like guys are getting a little more life out of the .22GT without much loss in performance.

My best load in my 8” twist 22-250 Criterion barrel was R15 pushing 75gr Amaxes to 3200. The numbers said my 6.5x47 should have been better in the wind, but if it was, I couldn’t tell it. With that 22-250, I shot more than one 3” five shot group at 700 yards. I think that was the easiest rifle to hit with I have ever shot.

John
75 grain swift scirocco
Originally Posted by Hondo64d
I have read so much about the 88gr ELDs grenading in flight that I considered a slower twist but then you have marginal stabilization. I’m going 20” barrel to make things a little handier with a can, so should be looking at 3000 to 3100 fps. Hopefully the RPMs will be low enough to let things hold together.

John
From what I’ve seen, going to a 0.219” bore seems to solve that issue for most folks.
Originally Posted by Hondo64d
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by Hondo64d
I’ve killed Whitetails, pigs and ‘yotes with 75gr Amaxes from a 22-250 at 3200. It was the proverbial lightning bolt. Having a 22GT barrel spun up. Will start with 88gr ELDs in that.

John


Should be a bad azzed rifle right there. I have a lot more respect for the .22 cal, since shooting it out past 600. Was shooting some 69gr SMK out of one of my new AR uppers just a little while ago and that thing is boringly accurate at 400 yards. I need to take my new Tikka 1 in 8 22-250 out more often. Waiting for the range to be extended to 1,000 yards here locally, then I'll start wearing out some barrels. Been shooting with some guys running 6GT's and those things are lightning bolts, if there ever was one. That 22GT probably in the same boat.

Considered the .22 Creedmoor but barrel life is reported to be pretty short. Sounds like guys are getting a little more life out of the .22GT without much loss in performance.

My best load in my 8” twist 22-250 Criterion barrel was R15 pushing 75gr Amaxes to 3200. The numbers said my 6.5x47 should have been better in the wind, but if it was, I couldn’t tell it. With that 22-250, I shot more than one 3” five shot group at 700 yards. I think that was the easiest rifle to hit with I have ever shot.

John
I believe it man. I've seen the same crap with my creedmoor vs my 22-250 at 600 yards. Hard to explain why the 22 cals shoot like that. Good choice on the gt. I look forward to hearing more about it.
I killed lots of stuff near and far with that cartridge and an 80 grain Berger VLD. Worked well.
Thanks for all the suggestions. I have some of most of the bullets suggested and my barrel is supposed to be done pretty soon.

Thanks to many on here for bullets to test. If I shoot all of these it will be time for a new Lilja

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I’ve had the same barrel ordered a few months and hope it is finished soon too. Mine will be kid brother though and chambered for 223. The 75 amax has done great for us in 223 223AI and 22-250AI. I’ll use it since we have so many but I will still try the 88’s. Especially with the bigger 22 chamberings. I look forward to your report.
Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
... If I shoot all of these it will be time for a new Lilja ...

The truth is there are many good choices that will work, which is great!

To add one more to your picture, mine would be the 77gr TMK Sierra.
Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
Thanks for all the suggestions. I have some of most of the bullets suggested and my barrel is supposed to be done pretty soon.

Thanks to many on here for bullets to test. If I shoot all of these it will be time for a new Lilja

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Those Berger hybrids look like good bullets. I'm curious to see how your rifle shoots when you get it. Keep us posted..
Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
Originally Posted by irfubar
If the 75 gr Swift will shoot in your gun , that is the one I would go with

If they behave like the .243,.257,.277, and .284 Scorocco's I'd be all in. Fingers crossed.
That would be my first choice as well.
I’ve killed several critters, whitetail, Muleys, Blacktail, antelope and finished a shot to fuuck coues buck with 75 eld’s in my 22 cm, worked well. 😎 great combo speed/bc. 👊🏻
I've killed a bunch of critters up to 250 lb hogs with the 70 gr Accubond, excellent performance every time. Damn accurate too.
Originally Posted by beretzs
Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
I'm still questioning this build as I've seen way too many deer and antelope smashed with 55 grain BT's and Hornady SP's out of 223's and 22-250's to even contemplate that any heavier would kill any faster.

I guess I'm just feeding the loonie.

It’s a good thing! Still a bigger killer than most suspect. One of our members is doing a Middlestead and planning to use 55 TTSX’s. I’m betting it’ll wallop deer real well.

Took a buck with that bullet out of a 22.250, hit in the chest and it came out on the rear hip, at about 200 yds...

Deer collapsed like it had been unplugged...
The 88 ELD at 3200fps+,is simply fhuqking wicked. 90 Beer Cans rate a thunk too. Hint...................

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I got the rifle today. I'll start with 75 grain Hornady HPBT because I have quite a few of them and it will give me a little info on where to go with powder charges. Starting with H414 and Superformance because I have a lot of that too. Once I get an idea on what charge weights should be I'll test 4350 and RL 17.
I have shot 4 rounds off of the front porch and the new Lilja is cleaning up pretty easy.
This

https://hammerbullets.com/product/224-cal-73g-absolute-hammer/
Fotis, where are you getting load data for the Hammer bullets?
Basically very close to TTSX data for most hammers. Start lower.
For the Absolute hammers--due to very very small bearing surface you must go down a power burning rate or two in order to get the velocities they are able to achieve.

Think 30-06 that launches bullets at 300 Win velocities.

Also

https://www.longrangehunting.com/attachments/absolute-hammer-post-9-18-22-pdf.395242/


additionally Hammer does have a forum like this one and there are tons of data.

http://hammerbullets.boards.net/
I have a 1-7 Hawk Hill destined to become a 22 CM that might be an adequate bullet launcher for such an animal.
My Wilson 1:7 barrel chambered in 22-250 is shooting 88 ELDMs into nice little clusters out to 625ish,…which is as far as I’ve had a chance to shoot them. Load is a moderate charge of H4350 clocking right at 3,000 fps.

The more I shoot it, the more I like it. No recoil to speak of, and no unexplained flyers. I’ll be carrying it during deer season here in Idaho this fall. Hope to test further on game.

Dave
62 grain Barnes TSX is excellent for such use
Originally Posted by szihn
62 grain Barnes TSX is excellent for such use

I agree. The 62 grain Tipped version has been awesome for about anything. It'll fool ya on how capable that little bullet is at 35-3600 too!
Showing promise with 73 ELD-M
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I know it is only 3 but in this heat and with the light profile Lilja I am just going to shoot several groups and verify that it wasn't a fluke. The first group was in the mid .4's

88's went high .5's with my first charge of 34 grains of RL 17.

I'll try to get some velocity readings shortly and work up a bit on powder charge with the RL17 and 88's
Thanks Fotis.
My favorite two bullets for my 1 in 7 twisted barrel on a Ruger 77 Mk 2 action...

33.3 grains of 4064... 80 grain A Max or Hornady 75 grain HP/Match...

fastest velocity and the best on accuracy also, of any powders I've tested...

I thought powder like H 414 or 4350 would give me that.. but it didn't.. 4064 did.
Just some data. 22" Lilja 22-250 AI

41.0 grains of H 414, 73 grain ELD-M 3310
39.0 grains RL 17 88 grain ELD-M 3179
I'm going to run with this load for now and hope I can come across an antelope. I only have about 60 rounds through it so I expect I may have to back off a shade with this load. 38 grains shot nearly as well at 3148
The largest group of 3 groups with this load went just under .6"

88 Grain ELD-M
39.0 RL 17
CCI 200
BTO 2.060
3178 FPS
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I’d imagine that’ll make meat!
Well the 88's worked pretty well. Antelope did not take a step. 366 yds.
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Exit wound.
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POW!
80 ELD-M's and H100V fireforming shoots pretty well too

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Very nice. I’ve need to order my stock but I’ve got the action and barrel ready to go. Can’t wait to get it all together.
73 ELD-M's shoot pretty well too. Yea the .356 is pretty optimistic.

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Originally Posted by beretzs
Very nice. I’ve need to order my stock but I’ve got the action and barrel ready to go. Can’t wait to get it all together.

What stock are you going with this time?
Originally Posted by Kaleb
Originally Posted by beretzs
Very nice. I’ve need to order my stock but I’ve got the action and barrel ready to go. Can’t wait to get it all together.

What stock are you going with this time?

Probably a Banser.

Unless I found a deal on a used McM in a pattern I liked.
Hammers
Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
80 ELD-M's and H100V fireforming shoots pretty well too

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Chronographed it today and velocity average was 3276 with this fireforming load forming some Norma brass.
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