Interesting combo, and you could use the same bullets.

Too much alike ?

I'd have to say that these two rounds are too close to the same to own one of each (in a bolt action rifle). The .338/06 has a sligt edge in performance, but the .338 Fed. is available in factory ammo and is VERY close in ballistics.

The exception to the "not enough difference" would be if you planned to chamber the .338 Fed. in a rifle type that was too short to handle the .338/06. Examples would be the Savage 99 or Remington 742 (longer cartidges don't work so reliably in the Remington semi-autos.....even if the factory did chamber them that way).

Some may argue for the short-vs-long action bolt rifles, but to me the 1/4 pound in weight and 1/4 inch in bolt throw advantage (in a short action) isn't worth the effort.

Of course, don't let logic detirmine what rifles you own. I have rifles in .270, 7x57, .280, 7mm Magnum, .308, and .30-06......and I can't explain why I felt the need for any one over the other except in very special circumstances. Oh, I can make an argument for every one of them, cause that's what Rifle Looneys do......but in the real world they all do basically the same job.

What does NEED have to do with buying guns anyway!!!

I've got 204 Ruger, 243, 270, 30-06, 338 federal, and a 9.3x62

The -06 is the back up rifle for the 270, 338 & 9.3

I was thinking of making the 06 an 3338/06

I rebarreled a new Laminated Sav 111 from .30-06 to .338-06 several yrs ago. It's a great rifle. Sav is a dream to rebarrel. If I'd of had the option of the .338Fed or .325WSM, I'd have bought a factory one of them instead. Not whining, just stating my feelings. I like those short actions. I think a Browning BLR in .325WSM would be a great rifle. Good luck.

My thoughts are they overlap in roles, just the distance is different. I'd use a 338F up to around 300 yds, on the same game I'd use a 338-06 and WM on. The '06 is strong to 400 and a Win Mag has been used to much further, then there is the 340, the 338 Lapua, and various wildcats.

The Federal is best at utilizing 185-210/215s. The 06 I shot loved 200 B tips at 2900mv and 225s were doing 2670. The latter with Partitions was my go to load for elk, and double on Mulie. The 200 FLATTENED whitetails. Many use a 250 in the '06, and Elmer Keith loved 275 Speers in 33 bores on the '06.

A 200 Hornady SP is cheaper bullet for deer than the Barnes, as well as paper punching. The 185x or 210PT/TSX is what I would use on game like Elk, Moose, and Bear. Large bear like a Grizz I'd feel better with an '06, and with a 225 if not a 250.

Chub Eastman I believe downed a Grizz that popped up point blank with a 338/06 and 210PT combo, he was after 'bou IIRC. Worked fine, as I would think a 338F would if needed.

Just understand the limits of range that the bullets can expand reliably as you don't want to try sniping say a 400-500 yd elk with a 338 Federal. If one needs longer range than the 338F and in a short action, a 350 Rem Mag, as well as various 270/7mm/325 WSM's are good to go.

I love the little 338F as in the mid 90s before the 260 was intro'd, I stuffed a 6.5mm bullet in a 308 case, and a 200BT in a one for a 338-08. This was after I had a 338/06, and thought it would make a neat carbine round, efficient in a bbl around 20". Time revealed those 2 became Saami'd/commercialized wildcats, the 260/338F. Odds are the commercial success would have been greater with good rifles and good ammo in 338/06 vs. the 338F which was intro'd when SHORT was the rave, WSMs/WSSM's/RSM's/SAUMs.

As MANY 30-06 fans out there, they might have latched onto the 338 version w/quality bullets like 200 Bts/ABs, as well as 225 Partitions/Tsx. Weatherby made a short run at trying to push the '338-06 A'Square but I never saw Rem and Win nor Ruger follow w/rifles. Let alone Federal and other major ammo makers.

That was a missed opportunity and if the Federal never catches on, I feel the '06 version may not have the same success it could have, if the arms/ammo makers would have been more united in mfg. the 338/06. That round truly flies well i.e. good trajectory, and has a hard impact when it arrives, even at 400 yds, where MOST game is not taken. It is very capable, and my rifle shot 1/2 MOA all day any day with every bullet.

For ME and how I would use a 338, on larger game, I'd pick a 338 in a heartbeat over a 30-06 myself when given a choice. Very effective at putting game down, some say better than a 30cal.

Widen the gap with a 338-06 Improved

I wonder if anyone has a 7mm-08 and a 280 Remington?
The Loon is our state bird by the way!
I could get a Model 7 in .358 Winchester to go with my 700 Classic in 35 Whelen I guess. I could use the Model 7 out to 200 yds and use the Whelen for those 250 yd shots........
whelennut

Not unless the .308 and 30-06 are 'too much alike'...but it's a great topic to bring up, lots of room for nit-picking, name-calling, and just plain arguing

A few thoughts here...even though the performance of the two rounds is very similar, I think you can make a good enough case for differentiation if you work at it. The .338 Federal is clearly at its best when shooting 180 - 210gr bullets, while the .338-06 will handle the longer 225 - 250gr bullets with aplomb. If you wanted to differentiate the two, you could make your .338 Fed a fine deer/elk/black bear rifle by going with the lighter bullets such as the 180gr Accubond or 185gr TSX. You could then make the .338-06 your "heavy" gun by developing loads for the 225gr TSX and 250gr NP.

Another thing you could do is make the .338 Federal a "walking around gun" that would be perfect for deer, elk, moose, bear (anything really) by loading it with premium 200gr or 210gr bullets. You would lose a bit of long range trajectory by going to the heavier bullets, but for mixed-woods hunting, you'd still have plenty of reach (300 yards +), and the gun would be a little sledge hammer so loaded. Then, you could make the .338-06 a long-range gun for deer and elk by loading the 185gr TSX or 200gr Accubond. You'd have a 400 + yard rifle that would flatten all hooved North American game.

It would be pretty easy to know which rifle to reach for if you did either of these approaches.

One other thing to consider, at least for me, is the level of need for a "back-up" rifle. By going to the .338-06, you'll have a better back up for your .338 Fed and 9.3x62, but not quite as effective for the .270.

One other very real thing to consider is that as a back-up, the .30-06 may indeed be the very best you can choose. It can almost anything reasonably well, and if you're going to find rifle ammunition anywhere on this planet, it's highly likely to be .30-06 ammo. Translation: If you really feel the need to have a true back-up rifle, it should be chambered in .30-06...period.

Yes and no. Yes if used in the same style of rifle and no if not. For instance, the .338 Fed in a very light mtn. rifle like a Kimber Montana. And the .338 in a heavier sporter.
No also if you believe, as I do in having very similar, but not the same, rifle as a back up. My 7.5 lb. .280, for instance, is very similar to my 7 1/4 lb. '06. Both are near perfect elk rifles. Or anything else rifles for that matter.
Or how about my 7.5 lb. .308 w/ 4X scope and my custom iron sighted 760 Remington, '06. Both are near perfect heavy cover rifles. Similar, but not the same. E

the 338 fed is pretty much going to be dead in 5 years or less, it doesn't offer anything, one can just download a 338 win mag if they want 338 fed speeds, its too small to handle very very large game and too big and not flat shooting enough for smaller game. with the high quality mono metal bullets these days moving from a .30 bore to a .338 just means your shoot slower and with less trajectory in most cases.

I don't know anyone who buys a .338 Win Mag in order to download it to .338 Fed levels. Why buy the extra 2 -4" of barrel, extra 1" of actin and extra 2 lbs to carry?

I know lots of folks who like the way the .338 Win Mag kills, but hate the way it kicks. Some have even given up on the cartridge as just too difficult to shoot. The .338 Fed gives these folks a chance to shoot .338 cal bullets at a more modest velocity that is deadly on all hooved game out to 300 yards or a bit more, but with the recoil of a .30-06.

Remember, the 7mm-08 doesn't offer anything over the 7x57 or .280 Rem, but it has sure done rather well for itself.

I had a WM and sold it, kicked more, held less rounds, and did not give me anything I needed that the 338/06 did not do and I roll my own.

Factory ammo needed, WM hands down, an '06 #1, but I truly cannot find a liking for 30s myself. 6-7mm do all up thru deer nicely and I'd even shoot elk/bear with 6.5s and 7mms, save Grizz. 338 and 35s for elk on main menu and up.

As to the 338F not shooting flat enough for small game, well if your talking prairie dogs and chipmunks?

So CC, if your talking NA game like elk, moose and bear that have been taken at ranges with 338 WM would have residual impact speeds of a 338F up to 300 yds, you still think it is not powerful enough? Less trajectory and slower with 33s, sure but with fatter heavier bullets. A trade-off. If one is into LONG range, as in 400+ yds, then a 338 Win Mag, 340, or 338 Lapua is where you start, esp. on LARGE game, but that kind of LR shooting is not they way I HUNT. It may be for others.

I simply think Magnumitis of many in this country disallow their minds to understand it's not all about Horsepower, but how you use it. Place your bullet....that's the biggest variable.

Seattle, your right. The 7/08 has proved itself, to many, inc. me LONG ago, and I'd never use a 280 over it. Perhaps a fast steppin 200 in a 338/06, at 2900 mv it'll hit like a hammer at 400 yds and further. Right with factory 300 Win Mag IIRC, and that ain't bad, in fact, again, larger cross section bullet.

If you like them both then get them. In particular if one rifle is lighter or somehow different.

Too much alike! I know a guy near here who has 10 .358 Winchesters. He seemed happy.

How close would the 338-06 be to the new 338RCM.

About the same...though Hornady claims the .338 RCM is equivalent to the ,338 WM. It really can't be, simply because the .338 RCM case holds less powder than the .338 Win Mag. I know this, because I have a .338 RCM, which I would vastly rather have than a .338 WM, for a whole host of reasons that no one needs argue with me, because no one's argument will matter to me.

I also have a .338 Fed, which I like a lot for other reasons. It is just dandy for what it is, and that's all that needs to matter. FWIW, I'm quite sure it will still be around in five years -- because a lot of people actually like to shoot it. Gun makers and ammo companies would rather sell more varieties rather than less, simply because they get to sell more if they have wider appeal. In today's world, with computer-operated systems -- it's pretty easy to make more rather than less stuff.

I might get a .338-'06 built some time, even though I have the .338 Fed and .338 RCM, as well as a .35 Whelen. I buy rifles and cartridges because I like them, not because I'm looking for some sufficient distinction from something I already own to look "reasonable" to someone else. I could do all of the hunting I'm ever likely to do again with my tang-safety Ruger 77 .280, which I like a lot, but what in hell would be the purpose or value of that approach?

Of course, I am a guy who once had three .280's, and still has three .308's... .

Dennis

I had a brief love affair with the 338 Federal. In reality, its a 300 yard mini sledge for critters up to Elk size. Its pretty much a short action 30-06 with the 180 NAB with a slightly worse BC.

Someday I'll build a 338-06. I've got a couple buddies that gun them. They can launch 210 Partitions at an honest 2700 FPS from 24" tubes. Thats sufficient horsepower for anything that lives in the lower 48, and most of AK, and not with excessive recoil. If Kimber really does build a LA 84M I'll be either buying one in 338-06 or screwing a tube on one



There is factory ammo for obth calibers... You can get 338-06 A-Square ammo from Weahterby and a couple other offerings if you're so inclined.

A .338-'06 that shot 210 gr TSX's at 2700 fps would be good for anything in Alaska, including musk ox and brown bears... .

I guess that's the diffence between .338-'06's and .338 RCM's -- my RCM shoots 210 gr bullets to 2750 fps out of a 20" barrel...

Dennis

Crap....

That'd work just fine I thought the two were pretty close in capacity?


Now would you use a 210 @ 2700 on the really big bears??? What about on Land Hippies??

The high quality mono-metal bullets that supposedly make 338 cal ctgs obsolete also mean that you'll be shooting the 30cals alot less. Who can afford 'em?
Get a 338 Fed in a Kimber Montana and it'll change your love life.

Dennis, I was gonna say after your last post, yep, very close the RCM and '06, based on speeds I have seen posted. My '06 w/4320--GO TO powder did 2790 w/215, Hart 23". MANY 338 fans look no further than the 210PT, myself, I opted to select the 15 gr. heavier bullet for a few more lbs of energy and better S.D. with only 1-2" more drop at 400 yds. 2670 not too bad, and there are those who like 250s, slow out the bbl but they keep moving like a freight train.

Dan, if Kimber (or Sako) made a 338/06 I'd be getting a loan, as it stands, I am still debating a Sako or Montana in the F round.

What were your take aways with the 338F? Did it meet your expectations? Limited to a few powders to achieve desired speeds? I don't believe the rumors factory ammo cannot be matched, though I am sure like all rounds there are a few that outperform most others.

Last fall I shot a nice 4x3 muley in Montana with the 185 gr TSX out of my .338 Fed, at about 200-225 yards. It fell over dead and stayed dead in the same spot, so I'm fairly sure it worked .

For all practical purposes, I do think the .338 RCM and .338-'06 are equivalent short action/long action cartridges. The RCM may get 100 fps or so more velocity with equal barrel lengths, but that's really not enough to get concerned about.

Given my 18.5" barrel on my .338 Fed, I'm having no trouble matching factory bullet velocities. I've fired the Federal 185 gr TSX and 200 gr Fusion rounds in it over my chronograph, and have no trouble slightly exceeding them with no indication of pressure issues.

The reason I made the crack about the 210 gr TSX's is that I just don't like Partitions, but that has nothing with their validity as a good bullet choice. I don't like Dodges either, but that doesn't make them "bad" trucks -- just ones I won't buy. Kinda like belted magnums... .

Dennis

Yes indeed, the RCM is doing it in a shorter package. I'd bet a 350 RM would too, but it might lose a tad more sizzle downrange with those fatter slugs, but they do cut nice fat holes.

Thanks Dennis, I hear you, my first rifle was a 7mag, didn't know better, it was/is a great round, but I love to shoot, and it would not allow me to do enough of it! God that thing spat 115s at 3375 with lazer like trajectory, but the bark and bite on my end were still unpleasant, dropped her down a bit to 3k and still turned a yote upside down....or inside out

I prefer unbelted rounds for most uses, but the 350 RM I have no issue with but you can't put as many in the mag well, and when you have a 'magazine' rifle as Rigby called them, it seems natural to fill it up! Hence another reason I liked the 338/06.

Anyway, I got off the phone with my cousin in Gustavus a couple of hours ago. Caught Kings, Halibut, recently and crabs, he lives 2 miles from the bay literally. Moose season is down to 2-3 days he said, but they fill their tags of 50 for the area typically in one day! He said it's a miserable sunny day in the 80s.....sorry to hear!

I am hoping to do some fishing, but the Moose tags, I believe he only gets 3 per his family......will see if that ever yields me an opportunity..

Hope all is well. Btw, is your F the rebored/bbl Ruger RSI I seen pics somewhere on the fire?

My take aways...

The 200 Fusion load is a screamer. it'll do 2600 and small change out of a 22" tube, and at 25 bucks a box its the cheapest load to shoot for brass. The factory 210 PT load only steps at 2490's as did my reloads (at least the ones that didn't loosen primer pockets after a couple loadings)

You can run 180 NABs at a legit 2700 FPS, but neither one of the 338 Federals I had much liked that pill.

TAC ain't the magic pixie dust that its cracked up to be. One gun ran substantially slow with that powder and the other flattened primers and made for a very sticky bolt lift once it was loaded with enough TAC to shove a 200 Hornady 2550 FPS.

RL15 and H4895 are your huckleberries with the 200's, and Benchmark can shove the 180s spooky fast if you use Hodgdons data. Both my 338 Federals (one was a Tikka T3, and the other a Kimber Montana) loved 200 grain Hot-Cors over 46 grains of Swedish made RL15, lit off by a Federal 210 and an OAL around 2.800". I substituted 210 Partitions for Montana's General Season. Both loads shot into 1/2" vertical of each-other at 100 and right around 2500 FPS

Necked up WW 308 brass is a lot thinner in the case head, and the necks thin out to around .012-.013" It don't last that long... You can get away with stuffing about a half grain more powder in it though and milking it for another 50 FPS if you're so inclined. Military 308 brass (I used LC-05) necked up very closely duplicates FC 338Fed cases in neck thickness and head design, backing off the said loads 1/2 grain gave similar velocities and I would assume pressures... It'd last about 7-8 firings before you'd start to see case head seperations (which is pretty typical in a 308 if you don't neck it up...) The WW brass I necked up only lasted 4-5 firings and the necks would split (and I was barely working them with a TiN coated bushing in a Redding type S die)

So yeah... What I said in the other post on this thread... In the real world its a 300 yard Mini Sledge on critters up to Elk. And with the 180 NABs its a 30-06 with 03-A3 50,000 CUP 180 factory loads (as long as we're talking about 180's with a BC under .400)



In the end though, I already had a Montana in 308 that was a lot cheaper to feed (and can run a 180 Partition at 2600 and change if I need it too.) And I really wanted another 260

I know I don't have to explain to you why I like 6.5's

I'm sure it is -- I've put lots of pics of it up over the couple of years I've had it. It's rebarreled with a Pac-Nor barrel, though -- I wanted it rebored, but the gunsmith measured it and said that a .500 barrel was too small to rebore to .338. Not to hard for me to buy into.

Here's a look...



I like it a lot.

Dennis

Beauty is in that the form follows function in a round with an expansion ratio to be effective and efficient, something a 338F can do in that 18.5" bbl.

Chris ie Pac-Nor barreled several for me in the past, stellar results. Good folks to deal with, my last was a Ruger, albeit a 6mmBR, on a #1 yet!

To say that 3 groove was a shooter, well, one morning at the range, around 8am, nobody but me, quiet, calm, no mirage, I shot 3 shots and it looked like one hole thru my 4200 4-16x, at 330 yds! Walked down and could not believe, .498 c-t-c. I was very pleased. Had to rib a local guy who thinks his bolts are the only rifles that would shoot and I noticed some of his targets. I just had to write down on that target, RUGER #1, as my group was smaller! That was a good feeling. Oh, Kepplinger trigger helped mind you. The only gun I ever had that was not floated. Chris had a guy 'Ernie' IIRC, who had built a 308 just like mine previously, and did the work on mine, after he suggested glassing the stock full length since that 308 had shot like 1.5" at 500 meters (I know, I found it hard to believe then too, not so much after my <.2moa group), I said, go for it. It worked obviously very well in my case. I realize one group does not make an average, but Pac-Nor delivered.

Is yours the old Tang safety? Handle is blue, and maybe you had the bolt body blued? Hard to tell in the photo. That rifle in 250-3000 always had my interest, rarely seen.

Da.n Dan, that's more than I was hoping for and great conscise yet packed write up. I am nominating you to be a writer if you are not being paid for it!

Well for a fellow wanting to use a 338F, would he be as well off then to grab a box of 200 Fusions or two, sight in and hunt and be happy? Serious question, also what about any experience in 185's? Any chance those Fusions are simply Hot Cores? If so, perhaps I am behind on reading or it's not touted. Thanks much.

Nope...it's a Mark II. I bought a .308 tang-safety RSI with the intent of reboring it to .338 Fed, but of course I took it out and shot it... . Then I had to buy another one to make a .338 Fed .

But I like them both...

Dennis

Well, the T3 pretty much got "donated" to my favorite charity.... My Broke-Ass-Brother. He's planning on stacking up the critters with it and the Fusion load.

The Fusion bullet looked nothing like a Hot-Cor (and if their hype is true its in a manufacturing group all its own,) and I had the two side by side more than once. The fusion bullet would probably work really well at 338 Fed speeds (its supposed to be fairly soft) Other 338 pills are probably a little stout for the Federal. Which is part of how I decided on keeping shots inside 300 yards. Its not really a secret that most bullets need to be going 1900-2000 FPS at LEAST to make any kind of a mushroom. When you're starting them out between 2500-2700 FPS with BCs around .400, 300 yards is about it.

My wife and brother both conviced deer to live in the freezer inside 150 yards last year. At that range it pretty well flattens them with a low amount of drama and very little bloodshot meat.




Dennis, Its a toss-up between that RSI and your 6.5 Kurz as to which is the sexier rifle That RSI is a classy gun for sure...

6.5 Kurz? Show it! Want to hear more on that one. Is that round one by another name i.e. 52 or 54? I need to learn more on the history obviously on the various 6.5s across the pond.

Dennis, I thought most of the newer Rugers had SS handles, but perhaps not, but I like both versions, my preference is slightly to the tang for location/convenience though the 3 pos. saftey works fine as on my 77/22.

Dan, yes, agreed on your thoughts. I think the 200 Hornady would be a good bullet at it's speed, and possibly the 215. The 215 would separate from cup/core at the backstop from my former 338/06 at 200 yds, 225 Hornady's better, very good actually.

I am sure emotion sells more guns, but reality is I think the bulk of game is taken this side of 300 yds, and I try working in that myself for many reasons. Anything under 50 yds is icing on the cake, my heart gets to racing when I am close to animals vs. simply sniping them, though I don't mind taking them out aways if that's how they prefer to present before they turn into steaks!

The 6.5x54 Kurz is the top one in the pic. (The bottom one is my 9.3x57 Husqvarna.)



My Ruger was coated with one of the steel-protectors by the gunsmith, so the once-silver steel bolt is no longer shiny.

My plan for hunting in Montana, Idaho and South Dakota includes bringing both the .338 Fed and the 6.5x54 Kurz . Plus some other rifles and a shotgun.

Dennis

What are your thoughts on a 338-06 with 20" barrel. I came across a deal on a 338-06 a few months ago that was too good to pass up. Interarms action, 24" Shilen barrel in a McMillin stock. I don't need the rifle, but I do like it. Now I'm trying to figure out what to use it for.

Living in Georgia the biggest thing I am liklely to shoot here is a 400-500lb black bear. Someday I may get the chance to hunt larger game, at longer ranges, but have several 30-06 rifles and a 280 for longer range work. I've considered having the barrel cut to 20" and using it for short range brush hunting much like the 338 RCM.

I wish the .338 RCM had been built with a 21" barrel, because the 20" seems a bit short to me. But that's mostly just my personal perception. Given that it has nearly the same case capacity, I think the .338-'06 could be run at essentially the same velocity as the .338 RCM with a 20-21" barrel -- with the right powder.

Dennis

I think the logical step for a .338 is the .338 Winchester Magnum. The .338 Federal & the .338-06 aren't really any better than the .30-06 IMO.

Surely YOU mean the 338 Rem UM, right?

If that's what you think, it's all the reason anyone needs to recognize that the .338 Fed, .338-06 and .338 RCM have good features and appear in dandy rifles...

Dennis

I think the Rem UM may be a little too much of a good thing. I think I'd make the jump to the .375H&H if I felt I needed more than the .338 Winchester could muster. In fact I'm not that crazy about most of the cartridges between the .30-06 & the .375H&H.

I'm not so sure the Remington UMs will survive.

JMR, mine was 23", I cut a 24" Win Mag to 22.5 and loved it's handling, hated it's recoil, and I never could shoot it as well. I think a 22" is perfect and would not mind a 21", 20" just keep bringing the muzzle closer to your ears even though the vel. drop is not that great in a round of this capacity and expansion ratio.

Dennis, I like those rifles, they look well balanced. I bet they both are good shooters and mild mannered. You will do well I am sure. Is the 'Kurt' to id the action, or is that round different than the 54 M-S? Thanks for posting photos.

If I had been building the rifle I probably would have gone 22". The 24" barrel just seems a little long for the uses I have in mind. Figured if I was going to have it cut I might as well go more than 2" and try to replicate the Ruger Alaskan with a 20" barrel. Had not thought about 21", seems like a good compromise. Or, just leave it as is and get used to it.

6.5x54 Kurz is a German-developed round, very different from the 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer. One thing I like about it is that it's essentially a shortened 6.5x57. The rifling in the barrels is twisted for 120-130 grain bullets, rather than twisted for the 156-160 gr bullets like all the other European 6.5's. I'm shooting 120 gr Speers at 2600 fps, which is pretty much a duplicate of what the German factories produced in the 1920-1930's. The company that produced my rifle was based in what became East Germany after WWII, so they moved to West Germany during the border-adjusting period and reopened there. They then renamed the factory after their family -- it's now called Anschutz.

I like it quite a lot...

Dennis

Nice rifles Dennis and thanks for the history lessen! The Kurz sounds like a great deer round, have you taken many with it?

I haven't shsot a thing with it yet, except targets. I only bought it a year or so ago. So maybe this year... .

Dennis

I'm pretty sure I know what would happen if you shot a Sitka with a 120 Hot-Hor at 2700 FPS

Dennis, thanks again for the history, I am ignorant on many Euro rounds. By the way, do you form brass or have a source? Nice piece and I wish you success, bet it brings you luck afield! Let us know.

Dan, now that is plain wrong! Ha. Good thing my deer did not know how fast the 140 b tip was traveling out of my 7TCU handgun, fireform load around 2,000 mv.......it worked

Those magical numbers....2700 will, 2600 won't, yada yada.

The great thing about the 6.5x54 Kurz is that the case has the same head size as a 7x57/8x57/6.5x57/.30-'06/.308 etc. I got 50 rounds of someone's professional reworking of '06 brass, but I've reformed quite a bit from .243 brass, which I picked up at the gun range. It comes out about 6.5x52, but the neck is so long that it doesn't matter. Shoots good with them, cycles just fine, and is real easy to make.

Having shot several deer aand antelope with a couple of .250-3000's, I'm fairly this one will kill a deer.

Dennis

Couldn't agree more, but I did just what you recommended with the .358 Win and .35 Whelen. I have the .358 in a Savage 99 and the Whelen in a 03 Sporter. I�ve seen a couple of .338 Fed on AR platforms that looked very interesting. I've even seen one Savage 99 re-barreled to .338 Fed that I would have liked to have owned.

Thanks Dennis, not a matter of if, but when the Kurz has the opportunity. Love to hear your success.