Are the two chamber dimensions identical or are there slight differences? Both Hornady and HDS are listing brass. What are the specs? Is the brass 7mm Mauser with a different headstamp?

Read a post somewhere else about your question a month or so ago. May have been on Accurate Reloading site where this question was discussed.

Basically, the 7x57 mauser and 275 Rigby are the same cartridge. But early dimension data on the two cartridges did have a very minor difference....what I do not recall.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3221043/m/438101051?r=438101051#438101051

Ingwe shoots Rigby headstamps when he's wearing tweed and drinking tea with his pinky up. Otherwise, he's shooting stuff with the 7x57 headstamp.

(See 4/4/14 discussion in the 7x57 v 7-08 thread)

And, plastic bullets.... Just saying...

Ingwe likes the color on the "plastic bullets",it matches his tweed jacket.

Some countries have strict and silly laws and will jail one for having ammo with the wrong headstamp, in that it does not match the gun on your permit or is a current or past military cartridge.

Not long ago I bought some of the 275 Rigby brass and could find no difference to speak of compared to some Remington unfired.

Figured I needed to good reason to watch for a Rigby.

As to Ingwe's color matches, I can only imagine. Would probably be looking for some bleach for the eyes.

It also gives him something to marvel at when he has a slow day in the field.

Rev,are you saying that Ingwe stares at the bullets in amazement when things are slow.

If I do not trade off my really pretty and lightweight MAuser in 7x57 this weekend, I think I will get some of the Rigby marked brass and have my barrel re inscribed. AFAIK, the two rounds are just two ways of saying the same thing. Sort of like "30 Army" and 30/40 Krag which are the same cartridge.

Thanks for the heads up on this brass availability!

I also have a BRNO ZKK 600 continental Mauser that will in all liklihood be re bored from 30/06 to 9.3x62. If I ever get back to Africa, how cool to have a trio of nice Mausers in 275 Rigby, 9.3x62 and 416 Rigby!

Could be. But maybe he has a smartphone now. There was a young man at camp yesterday who, while sitting in a stand waiting for pigs, was watching youtube videos of someone hunting pigs. Lord, what did we do before the invention of smartphones and the internet?

Keep the Mauser and take the trio to Africa again.

Tough crowd.

You'll sing a different tune when I lay a wider path of destruction through the Texas wildlife with my 7x57 than Sherman laid through Georgia with his troops�



Wildlife throughout the length and breadth of Africa trembles at the mere mention of my skookum Featherweight...

We don't talk about him around here.

Were you shooting those 150s?

I wouldn't have a .275 Rigby, unless in an original Rigby gun. The 7x57 is a good cartridge, though.

No. 175 gr NPTs and of course, a few 175 gr round nose solids

Calm down there sport and have another shot of catnip....

In case the odd elephant rolls around.

And no, I don't mean odd as in Weird Uncle Harold.

Naw,he used the solids for jackals. Something about a frontal brain shot at 5 paces.

Sounds like my pig hunting range.

And no, I don't want a .223 or another .260.

Ok, maybe another .260, but a XWR in either 7x57 or .275 Rigby first...with built in pinky rest, of course.

So,as you're shooting a hog,you stick your pinky in the air. Dude that's so Ingwe-ish and I thought you were a regular fella.

7x57�a proper varmint rifle�

Agreed Ingwe

7mm Mauser using a 175 gr Rem PSP.

Entrance



Exit

Rigby was a British ferm and they couldn't use an enemy chambering thus the rename. 257 Rigby. Don't know about the dimensions but always thought they were one in the same.but may be slightly different.

The 7x57, 7mm Mauser and .275 Rigby are the same cartridge. Mine have either been made by Winchester or John Rigby & Son in Pall Mall London.

Sometimes the British made subtle load or bullet weight differences and changed the names and yes, military names are not always as marketable as proprietary names.

Hey Ingwe, I think I saw a picture of your dad holding a pike on another thread.

Y'all have some tough critters out west: 7x57 required for coyotes and jack-rabbits.

Isn't it interesting how psychology often comes into play in determining the success or failure of a perfectly good product.

Needed no...de rigueur, yes.

A change in nomenclature is generally to skirt some rule, law, or copyright.

Good point.

That's the minimum for jackrabbits.Don't have pics of it,but I used a .375 H&H and .416 Rigby for rabbits also.

But you can kill the deer out here with a .223

FWIW, I can vouch for the effectiveness of the 416Rigby on our nasty tempered and aggressive Sabre Toothed Ground Squirrels. I have turned back many a fearsome charge from these horrible man eaters with a blow from a 400gr Monolithic HP bullet travelling at 2,650fps. I am quite certain that if I had been packing a mere plastic stocked push feed 30/06, I would not be alive right now to tell the tale. If you come out this way to hunt what some call mere varmints, use enough gun.

Did you have to have someone come finish the job for you?

Hey ingwe, did you ever get Depends to make their product in leopard print? We know you always plan ahead on matters of such importance...............

Oh-ho, I bet that would be a hit with the old ducks at the retirement home!

I'm trying to remember exactly where I read it but there are apparently two versions of the .275 Rigby. It all depends on how the rifle is throated. Some are throated fir the use of 140 gr. bullets and appaently you can't go with the 175 gr. bullets in that one. The other is throated for the 175 gr. bullets as are most 7x57 rifles. For all I know, the barrels may also have a different twist rate as well. I'm thinking it might be John Taylor's book on African Rifles and Cartridges that had the info. I'll see if I can look it up when I get time.
Paul B.

Kaff....I have shot a .275 Rigby.....AI. In a Ruger #1. I've no doubt it could kill a huge dinosaur. Or even butt shoot a bear.

Ah, but if you used a 7x57 it would not only kill the game with authority and most emphatically, women would swoon at the mere sight of you and men would buy you drinks just to wallow in your glory, you would also...!

Wait a minute...it's DD...forget about what I said, you already have all that.

Good to see someone out there knows the burden I bear.

It must be a terrible burden.

We'd have to see what Ingwewife has to say.

Well if she is like the rest of our wives...probably the last word.

You know, I've seen a couple of pictures of Ingwe. He has that "thousand yard stare" that generally comes from either time in Viet Nam or being married for a long, long time.

Well don't I feel silly, I thought it was constipation!

Add another cause to the list.

Ingwewife shoots the bastard child of the 7x57�.a ,257 Roberts�.

But that's a child worth claiming.

True dat! Bastard though it may be�its a classic!

You ought to pick up the "tweener" between the .257 and .275: the 6.5x57. You'd probably have the only one in Montana (isn't that where you live?).

Its where I live and believe me, Ive thought about it�..

http://www.k-var.com/shop/ZM70-171.html

Ingwe NEEDS a .270!

RevMike,

No, it would not be the only 6.5x57 in Montana. I have a friend who lives near Bozeman who has one, and I have a drilling with a 6.5x57R rifle barrel (and of course two 16-gauge shotgun barrels).

But Ingwe could be the first in Montana to own a 6.5x57 with a leopard-print McMillan stock.

You people are evil...

Very nice! But the ones I've seen are a bit on the heavy side. I'm not sure I'd be wanting to drag it around behind a brace of pointers.



Now we're talking!

Mike

That's a rare bird. How's it shoot? Do you know who made it?

Mike

Enabling:

J.P. SAUER & SOHN DRILLING

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_i...;osCsid=e23563e978e289748ed2b4016fd1e51f

John why is the 6.5x57 not more popular and common? Is it because it was eclipsed by the 6.5x55?

So, does this mean ingwe will soon be seen in Texas, wearing his leopard-print Depends, toting a .270???

I say again�.you people are evil.

You don't deserve her. Is her other gun a .300 H&H?

Bob,

Yeah, the 6.5x55 became THE general 6.5 cartridge--the same sort of deal that happens with many other calibers/cartridges.

The 6.5x55 isn't any better than the 6.5x57, in fact it's very close to idential, but a lot more rifles were made for it, thanks to the Norwegian and Swedish armies. The ballistics are basically the same, and the 6.5x55 works equally well in any action with a 3.1 to 3.4 inch magazine. Abundant ammo and brass and lots of rifles = popular.

No, he's coming to the Yukon to cuddle up on a caribou rug with a very experienced BSA Viscount in 7X57.











Ted

Thanks!

No, evil would be pointing out that every mug lair has a 7x57 and that the new cool is the 7x57 improved...aka 7x64.

Perfection cannot be improved upon.

Just ask Glock - which gen do you have?

IF glocks were perfect, there would only be one gen...

Prezactly.

Let's delve into our 7mm metric cartridge options and get some opinions. I have a delightful little HVA 1640 that is about to be rebarreled. Having no need for a specific performance threshold but I want a metric 7mm... so I can be cool like you guys.

7x57 or 7x64 Which would you build?

That's a nice looking old rifle. Bet it has some stories to tell.

Yes, mostly sheep, moose, and caribou stories, along with the occasional bear. If it were a 275 Rigby, it would have some really big stories to tell.

Ted

Were I building from scratch with no shortcuts it would be a 7x57 with a 375 ruger on a ZG47 coming a close second.

Tell him its a 27-06. Maybe he'll bite.

Specs on the proposed 7x57?

We should do this on its own thread since this one has been thoroughly hijacked, as usual.

Fanciers of the 7x57 take a look at this bad boy.

http://members.gunsinternational.co...m-Order-7MM-Mauser-.cfm?gun_id=100419775

Switch barrel. Problem sol ved.

7mm Express.

Were I to go that way I would do a Brno 21 in something along the lines of below.


Note that the two pictures are NOT mine, they are from another forum and I saved them for personal reference...I like the stock shape.

Dat one makes me twitchy! Classic stalking rifle!

Me too! I'd love to know the specs on that. Very nice.

It has a very Rigby-esque look about it�..

That's SEXY!

So if you were going to build a classic Rigby-esque stalking rifle in 7x57, what would it look like? Other than "dat".

As I have gotten older (note that I said "older" and not "old" -- I am not Ingwe-old!), I have come to appreciate that the Brits got it right with their minimalist forearms.

It just looks right!

John

I believe it is a husky done by a fellow in Sweden to emulate his brother's Rigby.

Cool!

If you happen to recall any other info, I'd appreciate if you could post it! Sweden has a surprisingly large number of gunsmiths.

If I knew that particular gunsmith, I'm thinking that he'd be doing one for me too!

John in Sweden

John

OK�that was mean�


You have to know Im typing this with my middle finger�.

Well,at least you're not picking your nose with the middle finger.....

Just seeing if you were down for your afternoon nap already.

John

Just got up from my afternoon nap ( GFY�.)

and you wankers need to know I have two middle fingers�..

Bless your heart.

Hello John, I have located the thread with the rifle pictured, every now and then I return to catch up on any further posts.
It is an interesting thread.

Link to thread.

Thank you very much! This should let me track that particular gunsmith down!

Exactly what my wallet didn't need though! Ha!

John

Ha, you and me both.

But it is one of a very few rifles I like, with the exception being the dovetailed receiver.

I cannot for the world of me understand why anyone would pass up a 146.