Ok guys I'd appreciate some input. I buying a new rifle and I'm flip flopping on the chambering. I'm back and forth between the 243 and 7mm08. I mainly hunt whitetail in TN. But I also have the opportunity to go to Idaho and hunt elk. Elk will not be a regular thing,might only do it once! Also wouldn't mind doing another black bear hunt or two. Lets assume I'm a decent shot,and willing to wait for the right shot opportunity to present itself and I know the animals anatomy.Which would you choose?????
Go big or go home. I'm sure there will be lots of posts that a 243 can do elephants but I for one would be much more comfortable hunting elk with a 7mm over a 6mm any day no matter how much powder was pushing it. Just my opine and it's free so you know what it's worth.
My choice is 7-08 but I favor anything in 7mm. Realistically, any shortie with a .473 bolt face will work. Plenty of great killing bullets in.243 cal if that is your choice.
Ok guys I'd appreciate some input. I buying a new rifle and I'm flip flopping on the chambering. I'm back and forth between the 243 and 7mm08. I mainly hunt whitetail in TN. But I also have the opportunity to go to Idaho and hunt elk. Elk will not be a regular thing,might only do it once! Also wouldn't mind doing another black bear hunt or two. Lets assume I'm a decent shot,and willing to wait for the right shot opportunity to present itself and I know the animals anatomy.Which would you choose?????
Ok guys I'd appreciate some input. I buying a new rifle and I'm flip flopping on the chambering. I'm back and forth between the 243 and 7mm08. I mainly hunt whitetail in TN. But I also have the opportunity to go to Idaho and hunt elk. Elk will not be a regular thing,might only do it once! Also wouldn't mind doing another black bear hunt or two. Lets assume I'm a decent shot,and willing to wait for the right shot opportunity to present itself and I know the animals anatomy.Which would you choose?????
Yikes! You must think highly of the 243. I think of 243's for elk like Americans drinking warm German beer. You gotta have a taste for it, and you gotta want it.
A std twist rate is going to either give you hunting bullets of up to 100gr, or up to 175 with the 7. Give in to peer pressure: 7-08 is the new drunk cheerleader at the party.
Yikes! You must think highly of the 243. I think of 243's for elk like Americans drinking warm German beer. You gotta have a taste for it, and you gotta want it.
I've consumed a good bit of beer in a number of places in Germany, and it isn't served warm. The beer in Bavaria makes it clear how crappy American mass market beer is.
Back on topic, I'd rather whack an elk with the 7mm08.
Screw it, odd man out. Go 243. 'Specially if you fffuck a monkey after drinkin a jug.....wait, maybe you do the monkey before you drink the jug.....which is it Stick, cant remember
Thinking bout Ruger All Weather ,their 243 has a 9 twist and the 7mm a 9.5. How do know what the COAL is,most manufactures don't list it. Also thinking bout the Tikka SS but not if i go 243.
Ok guys I'd appreciate some input. I buying a new rifle and I'm flip flopping on the chambering. I'm back and forth between the 243 and 7mm08. I mainly hunt whitetail in TN. But I also have the opportunity to go to Idaho and hunt elk. Elk will not be a regular thing,might only do it once! Also wouldn't mind doing another black bear hunt or two. Lets assume I'm a decent shot,and willing to wait for the right shot opportunity to present itself and I know the animals anatomy.Which would you choose?????
Yikes! You must think highly of the 243. I think of 243's for elk like Americans drinking warm German beer. You gotta have a taste for it, and you gotta want it.
A std twist rate is going to either give you hunting bullets of up to 100gr, or up to 175 with the 7. Give in to peer pressure: 7-08 is the new drunk cheerleader at the party.
It isn't served warm now. I wasn't referring to the beer that is served, I was was referring to those who want warm German beer. They likely drink in very small groups, of not alone.
If u are mainly gonna hunt deer, especially TN deer go 243 with quality bullets. If elk is truly a option and in the near future go 7-08. Not saying 243 won't do the job on elk, just that the extra bullet mass would be very handy. I personally love the 243 and other 6mm calibers pick your rifle carefully and pay close attention to twist rate. I would say buy a used remington 700 or model 7. Why no interest in the 260? 6.5's do good schitt, and gives you best of both worlds.
I'd not hesitate to hunt with either given good bullets.
Why do you "want" the 243 but yet feel "compelled" to get the 7-08? If it were me, I'd get what I wanted, not what I might/maybe/possibly "need" in the future.
I'm open to suggestions on rifle manufacturers. Kimber is out of my price range. Like to keep it around $750.
Don't be in a hurry,to make a bad decision.
Rat hole the 750,until you can do it right...which means Montucky...............
not necessarily
I will agree with the don't get in a hurry and save part,
and
pre-enjoyed Sakos can be found with a little looking, many times for less and with Sakos, you're typically not playing Kimber-roulette, as the Sakos tend to be shooters.
Yikes! You must think highly of the 243. I think of 243's for elk like Americans drinking warm German beer. You gotta have a taste for it, and you gotta want it.
I've consumed a good bit of beer in a number of places in Germany, and it isn't served warm. The beer in Bavaria makes it clear how crappy American mass market beer is.
Back on topic, I'd rather whack an elk with the 7mm08.
I do some deer hunting with 22CFs so I'm not opposed to big game hunting with smaller calibers and good bullets. That being said, if I ever get the chance to hunt elk, I probably won't take my 243. I don't own a 7-08(a cartridge I definitely want to try out some day), but I think my 280 would be up to the task.
Ok guys I'd appreciate some input. I buying a new rifle and I'm flip flopping on the chambering. I'm back and forth between the 243 and 7mm08. I mainly hunt whitetail in TN. But I also have the opportunity to go to Idaho and hunt elk. Elk will not be a regular thing,might only do it once! Also wouldn't mind doing another black bear hunt or two. Lets assume I'm a decent shot,and willing to wait for the right shot opportunity to present itself and I know the animals anatomy.Which would you choose?????
Remington catalogs the .284 150 Core-Lokt as a component. Deadliest mushroom in the woods! They're really magic mushrooms. You shoot something, it dies instantly, and then it is magically resurrected, gets up, and runs off. That way, your hunt doesn't end at the shot, and you can go through the fun over and over again.
First, will you be reloading or shooting factory ammo? There is more factory ammo variety available in .243. Incidentally, .243 (6mm) is the minimum bullet size allowed for big game in Colorado.
If you are reloading, and considering the Tikka T3 Lite, then I would suggest you consider the 26-06. The T3 only comes in long action so you might as well take advantage of it. And, the 25-06 will have somewhat lower recoil than 7mm-08, which is important in a lightweight rifle, but has more punch than the .243. In fact, recoil might suggest the .243 in any case.
For elk, .243 is adequate with correct bullet, distance and shot selection. More on this if anyone is interested.
This. And learn to reload. 7-08 is good. Either better than a .243 on stuff larger than a whitetail.
But as BS hinted, it's all in the bullet. High BC delivered first class out a fast twist tube.
....and if you don't reload, 308. And if you've never loaded, but plan too, prepare to spend some coin and a later bedtime. Upside is you'll shoot twice as much.
But as BS hinted, it's all in the bullet. High BC delivered first class out a fast twist tube.
Well heck,
guess I best go back to the drawing board.
here I wuz, all set up with an illuminated scope, WAM-less mounts, synthetic stock, stainless barrel,
chambered for 358 Winchester in a 700 Mountain rifle, Pac-Nor 1 in 14 twist and 200 Gr. Hornadys @ 2,450 FPS. Seemed like a perfect dark-thirty hoglet thumper for shots under 200 yds.
But as BS hinted, it's all in the bullet. High BC delivered first class out a fast twist tube.
Well heck,
guess I best go back to the drawing board.
here I wuz, all set up with an illuminated scope, WAM-less mounts, synthetic stock, stainless barrel,
chambered for 358 Winchester in a 700 Mountain rifle, Pac-Nor 1 in 14 twist and 200 Gr. Hornadys @ 2,450 FPS. Seemed like a perfect dark-thirty hoglet thumper for shots under 200 yds.
Oh well,
JAFO,
GWB
Nice rig GW-- for EXACTLY what you want to do with it. Certainly would not be my "all round, do everything" choice. 'Hoglets' at 200? No problem, with lots to spare.
I have been considering a new Sako Finnlight in .243 but have a concern with their scope mounting system. Beretta does not import the one-piece Optilock Ring Mount in stainless!
The scope will be a VX-3 2.5-8x36mm and I want a lightweight low mount. With a Tikka, the solution is simple: a one-piece DNZ low would do quite nicely.
Ok guys I'd appreciate some input. I buying a new rifle and I'm flip flopping on the chambering. I'm back and forth between the 243 and 7mm08. I mainly hunt whitetail in TN. But I also have the opportunity to go to Idaho and hunt elk. Elk will not be a regular thing,might only do it once! Also wouldn't mind doing another black bear hunt or two. Lets assume I'm a decent shot,and willing to wait for the right shot opportunity to present itself and I know the animals anatomy.Which would you choose?????
Since you are from Tennessee and this will probably only be a one time thing for you I recommend that you go with the 7/08. The 243 will do but it demands a perfect shot, if it hits a rib or shoulder bone chances are your elk is gone off to become wolf bait. The 7/08 is a lot more cartridge then going up one mm diameter would suggest, it will allow a little more leeway for a less than perfect shot placement and it hits considerably harder, take a look at the energy figures between the 243 and 7/08.
The wounded persona has a tendency to relate positively to destruction. It feels 'right' to break things, or attack people. Trauma-based history is a given, usually during early developmental stage 0-4yo. This has to be reinforced by the environment as one develops into an adult, of course. Generally, patterned abuse or abandonment from caregivers.
The wounded persona both relates to a world that is perceived as hostile with hostility as a coping mechanism, and has deep anger that feeds and justifies this behavior. It is a tragic thing, and can be correlated with just about all of the ills in this world today.
Thank you for your reply. The original question came from 1tnhunter.
I am looking for a new .243 and will take a look at the Montana. Apparently they sold out to Remington who will move the operation to Alabama. It sounds like the original owners may try to start a new operation in Montana.
DANL2- I was just adding to the original post & not answering directly to you. Montana? I meant a Kimber Montana, and I don't think that they have sold out to Remington.
Early in this post Stick said you got to think bullets...I was. The bullets I was thinking of are Hornady A-Max's.
Now heres my question ..,according to Hornadys website the 243 105g A-Max has a BC 500 & an SD of 254. The 308 168g A-Max has a BC 475 & SD of 253.
Now I know the 30cal creates a bigger wound channel bot it just doesn't seem enough to make it a better killer.Am I wrong??
The 284 in 162 A-Max seems to be head & tail better than both with a BC 625 & SD 287. So is the 7MM the best of the lot?
I'm ONLY talking about "A-Max" Bullets!!!!!
It's always ALL about bullets. Hint.
SD is a moot designator,denoting nothing that bears fruit. Hint.
A Vanilla 243 will scoot the 105 at 3000fps. You gotta add much more case capacity,to squirt the 168'Max at that speed and even once you do,it drops,drifts and slows faster. Hint.
The 162 is a phenom and I hear good things...................(grin)
Get checked in Colorado and you will find out about tickets and poaching costs.
Originally Posted by Big Stick
I could give a phuqq about what some Window Licking Bean Counter thought and would simply roll,as per whim.
Might even build schit with "wrong" barrel stamps,just for giggles..............
I've hunted Colorado big game since 1985. Only checked one time. I had a muzzleloader tag and the game warden stopped. He asked to see my license. I asked if he needed to see the gun, etc and he said "nope." and drove away.
In Colorado it is illegal to use Sabots, pelleted powder, and scopes with your muzzy. I might as well have been packing a 50BMG instead.
I'm waiting for our fearless parks and wildlife to impose a range restriction during hunting season. I am sure some woman democrat has thought about it already because today's guns aren't fair.
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