And further choice of
270 or 7mm mag, or 300WSM


Its one of the above choices. Which one?

Wow, not even close for me. The Winchester wins easily.

That's the way i'm leaning. Which caliber would you choose?

Well, I have a Featherweight Deluxe in .270 WSM that I love, so I guess It would get my vote. I really like the rifle a lot so if it were chambered in .300 WSM it would not matter to me.

30-06 or 300 WM

I really don't need a magnum round. And I have a few 30-06s

The only reason the 300WSM is in contention is because the rifle is 4 punces lighter.

The SuperGrade in .270 with Talleys, and a Leupy 2.5-8. Would come in, with five rounds in the box at 9.5 pounds. Not all that unreasonable

Super grade for me in .30-06. Of your caliber choices listed .270.

Perfect.

I would buy nothing new with Remington on it anytime soon. Seems everything new they have produced lately has issues followed by a recall...

The Poobah will make you smoke a turd in hell if you buy a .270

A 7x57 Featherweight is the shizzle!

I'll never buy another new Remington, and I own several. Winchester SuperGrade in 30-06 would be my choice if you can't find a new old model in 7x57. A 300 WSM would be cool, too.

Super grade. No question. Any other time I would say .30-06 because I flat out hate a .270, but it's a Winchester 70 super grade, the rifleman's rifle. Jack's rifle. A .270 just seems right. It's probably the only rifle I would own chambered to the round.

I sure wouldn't worry about weight difference. My super grade is heavy as hell. you mount a scope, throw some rounds in the belly and a nice leather sling it is a big heavy gun. It's no all day walking/ stalking gun to me.

There's a lot to be said for light done right. The older I get, the more places I look to cut weight to make the hunt more enjoyable. With that said, there's a lot to be said for figured walnut and gloss blue. A big heavy gun that when you cycle the bolt you know it's built to last a LONG time.

Supergrade in .30-06. Classic.

Super Grade .270 Winchester.

A Super Grade in .30-06 would be bad azz.

Just bought a Super Grade.. I am normally a Remington fan.. But this rifle is excellent.. I went with the .300 WSM.. Have a .270 and a couple 06's..

Found this in the classifieds.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...Winchester_70_super_grade_06#Post9234112

I'm a big 270 fan but if I had the choice in a Super Grade, i'd go with the 7mm-08.

Winchester of course.

I haven't bought a new Remington rifle since 2003 or so, and haven't seen anything that made me reach for my wallet.

As far as weight goes, I have fifteen or so Supergrade rifles and SG stocked rifles. Weight of the stock alone can vary over 8 ounces! So what the catalog or websight claims for weight doesn't mean jack.

Also, Winchester did a limited run of lightweight SuperGrades this year in 7x57mm. Think Supergrade stock but Featherweight barrel profile. They're over priced right now, but if you could find one priced right...

And they all have cabelas. In big gold letter

You already have .30-06's, so I would specify a chambering that is not close to the '06's ballistics. Instead I would look for a 6.5x55 or .260 Rem range. In the Super Grade, of course, or something in a pre-'64.

Much better than having 270 engraved on the barrel

Blasphemy.

So. All up with 5 rounds in the box, and the Leupy and Talleys a 7/08 would weigh around 8# 14 ounces

I always prefer M70's also, but the supergrade is just too danged heavy. I can tell you from my own experience that buying a rifle that heavy because I was glamoured by the eye candy appeal would result in it becoming a safe queen and not getting hunted. I'd think it wouldn't bother me in the store, but after a few hunts I'd get un-enamored with it. I'd either go for the featherweight or find a NIB featherweight deluxe that they made for a few years. In addition to the weight I wouldn't want the 24" barrels (270 & 300 WSM) or the 26" barrel on the 7mm rem mag. The featherweight versions would come 2" shorter.

I also question why you'd want to put talley lightweights on a supergrade. I like talley's and use several sets of them, but they're pretty much the world's ugliest scope mounts and completely out of place on a fancy rifle like a supergrade. Using them to save a couple ozs. on a 9.5 lb rifle is pointless, it's like taking the bumper off your 1 ton diesel pickup to save fuel. I'd pick something nicer looking like leupold dual dovetails for a rifle like that.

The short action supergrades are 22 inch bbls, but two inches has never bothered me.

I carry close to 20 pounds plus on my belt at work every day, a 9 pound rifle doesn't bother me

The only short action you had listed is the 300 WSM and it's a 24" barrel. Non magnum short actions get 22".

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535203

Winchester 70 in 270 Winchester is my suggestion!

Fair enough.


I'm leaning towards the 7-08 in a Supergrade

Cabelas got them first, I believe, but they are out there from other dealers now without the advertising stain.

I want to handle one...with that barrel, they might be as butt heavy as Oprah!

I'd buy the Remington 700. The model 70 Supergrade is too heavy for me and its a CRF , which I find to be fickle. I also think Talleys are ugly.

Dammit,you change your mind almost as quick as I do.

Gitem- you do not say where you are or what you are h unting. i have a supergrade in 300 wm . it is a very atractive rifle. it is not light. it shoots great. why a heavy 7-08? the rem cdl might run a close second not a bdl though. 30-06 300 win or 7mm

You mean the CRFs are peone to jamming?

I'm a model 70 fan at heart. I'm in Pa and will
Mostky hunt whitetails. I just think the model 70 looks better than the CDL, and all up the 700 won't be that much lighter than the 70

I say the 70 and in 300 WSM. To be honest, it's because the new ones seem to be very well made and I like 70s. My Classic is respectably made, but I think the new ones are a little better. The synthetic B&C stock is certainly better than mine. I said 300 WSM because I like more recoil and to pay more for ammo. Mine is very accurate with most loads.

ETA: Any of those cartridge choices are good.

300 WSM......I take it, the first question in the OP was rhetorical or at the very least a no brainer...

If you are comparing the super grade to anything Remington, it should be the CDL, not the BDL.

4 ounces is but one candy bar.

Some of these little [bleep] (f uckers) need a lite done right rifle though. To each their own. Pass the 1/4 lb candy bar please..

They are selling half pound Reese's butter cups here in Canada holy [bleep]

Kimber montana in 30-06!

Of the three, 7 Rem Mag...

If the new Sakos are as good as the the pre-Beretta Sakos -I have no reason to think that they aren't- that's the way I'd go. But they're upwards of 2 grand. The most accurate rifle I have fired is a Sako, which is why I just ought another.

Cartridge will depend upon intended big game. The 7MM Rem Mag is the largest cartridge I go with. If you can't kill it with a 7MM Rem Mag, you ain't gonna kill it with a .300 Win Mag.

My recommendation after hunting all over the Rockies would be .280 Rem, then '06, then the 7MM Rem Mag. .270 Win.

I own a 7MM Rem Mag and a .270 Win. I have utmost respect for the '06. It is the greatest cartridge ever designed for all North American big game hunting in terms of efficacy. The .280 Rem is the best cartridge ever invented for all North American big game. The .300 Win mag is a big cartridge, but it won't kill any deader than the 7MM Rem Mag with the latter having edges in distance and penetration due to sectional densities of .284 caliber bullets. Shooting a .300 Win Mag from benches will make you wish you had bought a .280 Rem, which will kill big game just as dead.

Gitem,
Get that 7mm-08. It will rapidly become your favorite. And the Super Grade over the Remington. And at least look at an 84M.......

Super Grade in 300WSM!

Super grade. And since it's mostly for PA deer hunting, and you say you don't need a magnum, 270 is the obvious choice. Sounds like you have answered your own question.

John,I just weighed both of my Super Grades,here are the results.

1) .270 Win with a Leupold 3-9x,Burris 2-piece bases & rings. 9lbs 6ozs. 24" barrel

2) .338 Win mag Leupold 2-7x Leupold 2-piece bases & rings. 8lbs 14ozs. 24" barrel

Just for schits and giggles I weighed the FN Mauser .270. It has a Leupold 3-9x Weaver 2-piece bases & rings 9lbs 3ozs. 22" barrel

Putting the SG .270 win to the shoulder,the balance is great,it don't feel like it's almost 9.5lbs.

Take it for what you paid for the info.

The BDL was actually discontinued several years ago and brought back in limited numbers and loadings. If I had to have a Remington it would be the CDL.

A 9 lb rifle might not bother you, until you carry a 7 lb rifle. It is not a matter of what you CAN do, but what you CHOOSE to do. I CAN carry a 9-10 lb rifle, but after using some that weigh 6-7.5 lbs have no intention of going back.

Winchester or Kimber all the way for me. If Kimber I'd go short action and I don't think caliber matters all that much. Bullet choices will make more difference than caliber. If Winchester, not the Supergrade. Too heavy, I'd be looking at the Featherweight in any of the standard long or short action calibers.

Of the 3 choices you listed, 300 WSM. I have several rifles in 308 and 30-06. I don't really need a magnum round either, but ran across a killer deal on a SS Classic a few years ago in 300 WSM and have grown to respect the round. It has been a 4 year process, doing a little at a time, but it is finished. It weighs 7.5 lbs as it sets and I have $1050 invested in the rifle, optics and Edge stock.



I'm not selling my 30-06 rifles, and if I had a 300 WM I liked wouldn't sell it either, but if advising a new shooter today would tell them to forget 30-06 and 300 WM and just get the 300 WSM instead. You get 99% of a 300 WM's performance in a 308 size package with recoil almost exactly the same as hot 30-06 loads. Anyone who can tolerate 30-06 recoil will never notice the difference with 300 WSM,

Win M70 Super Grade

while the CDL is an atractive rifle it is 300$ less than a super grade. not comparable. the kimber with a french walnut stock is light and good looking and similar price. i would also consider a sako L61r deluxe . not as light as the kimber but still in the same price range.

Got quoted a price from my delaer of 1,079 on the supergrade. Just tossing around caliber now

Gitem, I'm a 270 fan and do not own a 7/08.

However, I have always deeply admired the 7/08.

I can't see where there is anything the 270 can do that a 7/08 couldn't do also. I bet a 7/08 shooting a 120 tsx would be a deadly combo.

Shod

Well, the supergrade 7-08 was a shot show special, so that's out of the question.

Next problem is my dealer's suppliers are out of stock on all butbthe synthetic stocked Winchesters.

However,he has a CZ 550 in stoxk with a decent price. And he also has a NIb 700 mountain rifle in 280

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However,he has a CZ 550 in stoxk with a decent price. And he also has a NIb 700 mountain rifle in 280 [/quote]

You'll end up kicking yourself in the ass real hard if you do either of these.

The CZ is a little on the heavy side, and the 700.....well, its a remmy. I'd hold out and get what you want

Shod

You'll end up kicking yourself in the ass real hard if you do either of these.

The CZ is a little on the heavy side, and the 700.....well, its a remmy. I'd hold out and get what you want


Shod [/quote]

He's also got a Montana in 270 WSM

My wife has a Kimber 84M in 7mm-08 and it's a super nice rifle and very light, probably a little over 6lbs all up.

Don't get me wrong, I love Winchesters but those Kimbers are some super nice rifles.

My next hunting rifle will be a Kimber Montana in 7mm-08 and used mostly for sheep hunting.

The problem is. There are no local Kimber dealers except big box stores.

Can't you buy one from a dealer in another town/state and have it shipped to your ffl?

Yea, but why do I wanna pay a higher price when I get guns from my delaer for 50 bicks above his cost

A 270 WSM in a package that lite might be a bit unpleasant to shoot. If I was leaning toward a magnum I think I'd lean more toward a little heavier rifle like a CZ.

I know its different strokes for different folks and what works for one may be entirely different for another. Just throwing out ideas to consider.

Now that Montana in 7/08 would be as close to perfect as it gets for someone like myself.

A 120 tax and I'd be set for a nice mountain excursion where my average shot is not much over 300 yds.

A 162 amax and I'm good for open areas that may require a 600 yds shot.

I wouldn't hesitate to use either scenario for elk sized game.

Shod

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/win...-walnut-stock-blued-finish-p-140346.html

Nice, i've got to put a couple in the classifeds and get them sold I guess. Either that or find something local to trade them on

So you can buy something you want, instead of something he has?

Normally he can order in whatever I want. But his distributors don't have any supergrades available

Here's a .243 Win Super Grade.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ne...0-in-243-Winchester.cfm?gun_id=100468199

My deaker just found one of the 7-08 Supergrades. And gave me a price of 1079.00

I'm gonna go see him tomorrow

So,you're gonna settle for the 7/08,thought you had more sense than that.

Nice score! Congrats.

I have possessed several Mod. 70's, pre-64, post-64 and Classics (Feartherweight, Supergrade, Sporter, Varminter aso.) in calibers ranging from 22-250 Rem. up to 375 H&H mag.)

When I learned that the Mod. 70 will in the future be assembled in Portugal, I decided to purchase one of the last "Made in USA" Rifleman's Rifle.

I did'nt like the closing of the New-Heaven plant in the mid 2000's.

In 2010 a 30-06 Sprfld. Model 70 Super-grade made for BACO that I'd purchased new over here showed a major flaw and had to be replaced by Browning Canada.

Nevertheless, last year I purchased a new in the box 270 Win., BACO stamped Mod. 70 in Sporter fashion, with a 24" clean barrel.

I'm 67 and Jack O'Connor was my favorite gun writer, so my last (humm, humm...) rifle had to be Jack's 270 Mod. 70.

That Browning took the decision to stamp "Made in Portugal" on a Mod. 70 is a sad thing. Not that the portuguese workers are incompetent (I'm sure they are not!), but the Mod. 70 is so much emblematic of America that it ought to be made here.

I understand Browning had a hard time to get the rifles made in the US because the plant that was sub-contracting was overbooked with other projects.

Pleased to report that my son, who's a lefty, owns one of the last New-Heaven made 375 H&H left-handed Mod. 70 sold new in the box anywhere.

Maybe even the last one.

We were living in Europe at the time New-Heaven closed, and I managed to purchase the Browning-Winchester (Europe) exibition rifle from their head-office in Belgium.

The rifle was delivered to us sometime in 2006 in the duchy of Luxembourg.

I would choose the super grade in 300WM.

The super grade part of the equation is a no brainer so let me explain why 300WM. I've spent years buying most of the popular calibers and then some but one I've never owned is the 300WM and if I were to be honest with myself and the hunting I do, I have concluded at least for me, that it's the best one gun caliber. The answer for you might be entirely different but you have to give the 300 at least an A for versatility. Good luck on whatever you pick.

SG pickings were nill, I did find one of the Shot show Special SuperGrade 7mm/08s. It'll be here in a week or so

I'm 70. And that would have been a likely choice for me, too, as he was a favorite of mine. But I found a .30-06 pre-'64 FWT, and Jack killed a LOT of game with the '06.

But the 7-08 is a most excellent choice to complement his '06's.

That 700 Mountain rifle sounds perfect...

agreed.

8# 14 oz is heavy for a .375, let alone a 7mm-08.

It's gonna be more like 8 pounds even

Cool! You'll love the 7-08.

It's sort of Bittersweet.

I'm trading in a p&r 4 inch Smith 66

And a Franchi O/U that my best friend bought me after I hwlped him get his CDL.

He bought it for me because of the pretty wood it has, but i've never shot it. i love my 20 Gauge O/U, but this one just doesn't do anything for me. So I figure i'll use this rifle alot more and in a way my buddy is getting this for me as well

No doubt the 30-06 Sprfld. is an excellent number.

Good post jmr. I love the rifle too. I'm like you and bought a 300 wsm about 3 years ago. I liked it so much that I bought another one. My current 300 wsm is an FN BACO (2008 Limited edition) and I really like that rifle. It's been a work in progress for me as well: Installed an extreme weather barrel on it, just put it in a Mcmillan swirly and it shoots like a dream..Hard to go wrong with a combination like that..

I have both a winchester in 223 and a 700 bdl in 270
The winchester is a better made rifle , better stock, trigger, finnish. I like 308.....