I am getting tired of reading about how great the 6.5 C is. I think if I had one I'd have it converted into a 264 Win. Mag. and then really have something. Assuming the action would handle the change, of course. Maybe even a 6.5-06. The writers all seem to extoll the virtues of the bullets available. But with the 6.5 C the velocity is so much lower than can easily be achieved by using a larger case and more powder. Why not use the larger cased version of the 6.5 and really make some headway. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Bah humbug, I say.

Honest question - what is your total centerfire round count for the past 12 months?

Creedmoor is way cheaper if you shoot a lot. Out to 300 yards it will kill an animal just as dead as a 264.

I have three 264's and a 26 Nosler, I like them all. I have two Creeds, a Savage and Vanguard. Granddaughter took my Savage. I think a lot of the popularity of the Creed is the name. It has cool factor from the get go.

People on the Creedmoor forum say you are a commie liberal if a hunter doesn't own a Creed.

It his hard for its size, but doesn't hit you or your wallet near as hard as a bigger 6.5.

I think if you had one, you wouldn't be as tired.

6.5x55 around since 1894.

Tell us how to turn a Creed action into a 6.5-06 or a .264 magnum again?

What are the ranges you generally shoot from in a hunting situation?

Anything in 6.5 flavor for me my thank you.




You may continue.....

Let's see how a 6.5 130gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity of 2900fps(I don't know if it gets this velocity,I don't own one) compares to my obsolete 30-06 with 168gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity 3036fps(mine will get this) out to 1000yds with a 200yd zero.
http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.488 Velocity (ft/s) 2900 Weight (grains) 130
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 6.5 Creedmore
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 2900 2428 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2710 2120 1.6 -1.6 -0.5 0 0 0
200 2528 1844 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2353 1598 -7.1 2.2 0.7 0 0 0
400 2185 1378 -20.4 4.9 1.4 0 0 0
500 2023 1182 -41.1 7.8 2.3 0 0 0
600 1870 1009 -70.3 11.2 3.3 0 0 0
700 1724 858 -109.4 14.9 4.3 0 0 0
800 1587 727 -160.3 19.1 5.6 0 0 0
900 1461 616 -225 23.9 6.9 0 0 0
1000 1346 523 -306 29.2 8.5 0 0 0


Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.475 Velocity (ft/s) 3036 Weight (grains) 168
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 30-06 Springfield
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 3036 3438 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2835 2997 1.4 -1.4 -0.4 0 0 0
200 2642 2605 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2458 2254 -6.4 2 0.6 0 0 0
400 2281 1941 -18.6 4.4 1.3 0 0 0
500 2112 1663 -37.5 7.2 2.1 0 0 0
600 1949 1418 -64.2 10.2 3 0 0 0
700 1795 1202 -100 13.6 4 0 0 0
800 1650 1016 -146.7 17.5 5.1 0 0 0
900 1515 857 -206.2 21.9 6.4 0 0 0
1000 1392 723 -280.8 26.8 7.8 0 0 0

I don't understand why people get excited about a .264 or a 6.5-06. They just don't have near the power of some other cartridges out there today. If it were me, I'd probable convert it to a 375 CheyTac or maybe 20mm. Marketing marketing marketing......

Yo

You are forgetting the terrible recoil difference in the two.

My 6.5 cm is a short action. So neither the 6.5-06 or 264 wm would fit. Either way if you want a better 6.5 get the weatherby 6.5-300 those numbers look Impressive.

No szchit sherlock.
Heck, why the .308 when a 300 Ultra is so much more of a good thing.

Why would I be tired of the 6.5 Creedmoor.

It makes me appreciate my 260 Rems I've had for the last 20 years....

and with the 6.5 x 57 or 6.5 x 55... there is no need for a 6.5/06...
handloaded of course.

I'm going to build a Creedmoor. I don't need/want a 6.5 Magnum of any kind.

Forget what it's called, or what the cool kids think of it. It's just a 6.5mm that fits in a svelt SA, is built on the 250 Savage case, blown out with a 30* shoulder. It's miserly with powder, and like its parent has mild recoil, killing out of proportion to its kick.

IMO, one of the finest cartridges of my 56 years. Really, it's about ideal for the average American hunter that shoots 20 shots a year. OR for the guy that shoots 2,000.

Scratching head here...

Whenever I get tired of reading about a particular subject, I do something revolutionary, totally out of the box.

I stop reading about it.

Kind of easy to see who shoots.

Im sorry but I dont get the Creedmore craze either, I have never been a recoil wuss....maybe the less powder thing but if you figure the money I put into My rifles and shooting saving a little powder seems kind of insignifincant...What I can see is buying another rifle to play with cause you want too...Ha!......Hb

My guns don't kick.

Too much of not enough to do and presto: 6.5 Creedmore.

I'm usually the last guy to John mp on a bandwagon, but I do like to try new stuff. Hence, I bought a Bergara in 6.5 Creedmoor. Why? Because I liked the look of a case I found at the range and needed something different to play with. I found it to be a mild round that is easy to load for and load accurately. My current load shoots three Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic tips at 2950 into groups small enough to get called a liar. What will I use it for? Killing whitetail out to about 200 yds, with 75 yards a more common shot. I can't think of anything a .264 mag or 6.5-06 could do for me, under my conditions, better than the Creedmoor, except be louder and cost more. It's a nice round in a very serviceable, but not pretty rifle. I'll continue to use it. If it doesn't work for you, OK, but I wouldn't crap on it prior to trying it.

Old70

But you don't understand.
Dingbatman uses a muzzle brake to tame the vicious recoil of the .270
Like dar.......

To quote Steelhead, "The 6.5 Creedmore is the best cartridge introduction in the last 20 years". He is right.

Doc

Nothing wrong at all with it. It's a mild recoiling very capable deer hunting cartridge in a world already filled with mild recoiling very capable deer hunting cartridges. Next thing you know somebody is going to come out with the 17.5 gauge shotgun throwing a perfectly square load of 31/32 oz of shot. Carrys like a 20 ga hits like a 16. The action and barrels are perfectly proportioned so that you can pose even more stylishly with it over your shoulder holding it by the barrels while wearing your favorite shootin toggs.

You lost me at 6.5 130 grain Ballistic Tip.

Hornady listens to their customers and they feel your pain...

They understand that many folks just don't "get" the 6.5 Creedmore, so they have come up with a new and improved round a 6.5 Creedmore Special Magnum just for you guys.

The 264 PRC

Just wait until you see it...

It's like a 6.5 Creedmore on steroids...

Coming soon to a forum near you.

Why would anyone shoot a 6.5 bullet with a BC of only .488?

Anybody that actually shoots understands the merits of low recoil coupled with high BC bullets. Run those numbers with a real bullet...

I have a Pre-64 Model 70 WM in .264 WM, a 6.5x284 Custom Norma, and a 260 Rem Custom, and just bought a LAW in 6.5 Creedmoor. The LAW Creedmoor is the best shooting rifle of the bunch.

What's not to like?

donsm70

You chose the wrong bullets for both your 30-06 and 6.5. Hornady offers a FACTORY loaded 6.5 Creedmoor 147 gr match bullet with a BC of .697 that leaves the muzzle at 2700 fps. At 1000 yards it is still almost 1600 fps with over 800 ft lbs energy with 288" drop. Handily beating your 30-06 load with an additional 234 fps, nearly 300 additional ft lbs energy,18" less drop, and with almost 1/2 the recoil.

BTW, if you had chosen the 178gr Hornady bullet at 2850 from your 30-06 the numbers would be almost identical at 1000 yards. Except for the recoil.

Is LAW stiill in business? I thought I read somewhere that they went out.......Hb

People that kill deer at modest ranges.

Does anyone hunt anymore or just circle-jerk concerning BC's?

I have never found a good reason not to buy another rifle. Despite having a couple dozen perfectly good 6.5mm bore rifles, I bought a 6.5 Creedmoor in 2014 and finding that I like the cartridge, I now have seven of them.

Is the Creedmore like the Creedmoor?

only problem i have with creedmoor is the fact that i cant see how it is superior to the comparatively ancient .260

The 30'06 is the most overrated cartridge ever. You can get a lot better performance with today's cartridges with less powder and recoil. And it certainly doesn't take that much gun to kill a deer.

I can think of two (2) reasons why the 6.5 Creedmoor is superior to the comparatively ancient 260 Remington:

1. Rifle manufactures are cutting their 6.5 Creedmoor barrels with the proper 1-8" ROT.
2. Ammunition manufactures are making accurate factory ammo, so the guy who doesn't reload has access to quality ammunition.

Do you shoot the other 51 weeks a year? Shoot steel at 1000yds and you'll realize there are a lot better bullets. I shoot the same bullet year round, and I can assure you a .620 BC bullet kills at 100yds too...

Part of the attraction is excellent factory ammo and cheap accurate rifles. Not everyone wants to have to do a build and load development for good performance. I don't have one, and as I've said a time or ten, have the niche pretty well surrounded by other stuff, but if I were starting out or starting over after a fire or theft, the Creedmoor just might do it all for me, although it's not a good fit in my favorite Mausers.

Gee,I wonder how this 30cal would do.
30 Cal .308 225 gr ELD® Match BC .777

3. The Creedmoor was designed with throating and case geometry such that sleek VLD bullets could be seated so they weren't jumping a mile to the lands, so that the case mouths aren't over the ogives of the seated bullets, and so the loaded cartridges would fit into and feed properly from a 2.8" magazine length all at the same time.

I'm not denying that and understand the principle(s) quite well - thanks.
I'm saying it's a non-factor for the larger percentage but someone ALWAYS has to make it THE factor for conversation.

I'm gonna neck down my thermos jug to a phonograph needle! Expected FPS=12,500

Oh schitt.....you guys don't know about 'phonograph needles'!!

Make my 6.5 the 6.5-06

That's gonna be a beotch seating those.

Yep, sure do. That's what music majors use to shoot up with....

Now your on to something that will shoot those 147gr and still have a little mag box room to spare.Oh,I forgot,it might have too much recoil........Never mind.

Reading this thread has reinforced some things I've thought for quite a while.

1. Some people don't have the self-discipline necessary to choose what they do and do not read. Kind of like mosquitos and moths attracted to a zapper.

2. Some people don't understand that their way is not the only way.

My own thoughts on the Creedmoor are that it is a well-thought out design and I'm glad to see a popular short-action 6.5 that has a higher rate of twist than the .260 Rem. If I didn't already have a .257 Roberts I'd have a 6.5 CM or a fast-twist 260 in a sporter design to complement my heavy-barrel 6.5-06AI.

Choosing a bullet by primarily by its B.C. isn't my way but I don't care what others do. If B.C. was my primary concern I'd shoot a 115g Berger VLD (B.C. 4.66) or some other high B.C. bullet in my .257 Roberts. Instead I shoot a 75g V-MAX, 100g TTSX, 110g AccuBond and 120g A-Frame (B.C.s of .290, .357, .418 and .382 respectively), depending on what I am hunting. In my 6.5-06AI I shoot a 130g Scirocco II (B.C. .571) a 140g A-MAX (B.C. 550) and a 140g BT/AB (B.C. 509). Maybe one of these days I'll get around to trying the 129g LRAB (B.C. .561) or the 142g LRAB (B.C. .719). In any case, my primary concern in choice of bullet is and will continue to be my judgement of the suitability of their construction vis a vis the intended purpose. A .488 bullet in a 6.5 CM wouldn't bother me at all if it had the construction and provided the accuracy I wanted. Would it be the best choice for 1,000 yard target shooting? No, but I don't do that. If B.C. was my primary concern, I'd sell most of my rifles.

The 250 and 300 Savage were and are perfect deer rounds at most ranges most people hunt at. It's all been fluff since then. If you hunt bear, fine use a bear round. If more new hunters would use mild, effective rounds that they can shoot and not flinch, maybe license sales would go up as the new hunters actually enjoy the sport. Hunters are voters, so are their kids.

good question

What you say about the 250-3000 and 300 Savage cartridges is true, but if they were really as good as the cognoscente believe, why weren't they more popular, more successful, than they were?

I like both cartridges, particularly the 250-3000, and own a pile of them, but don't shoot them very often.

As many already know, the 6.5 Creedmoor is simply a well-designed example of a moderate round that can be truly "multi-purpose". This is achieved by case design, twist, bullet/ammo selection, modern rifle design, and mild recoil levels. Much in the way the 30-06 and 375 H&H have always been considered so flexible for big game hunting because of their wide range of available bullets and factory support, the Creedmoor is much the same when you throw in other criteria to include long-range shooting, higher-volume shooting, lower recoil, lower-cost for ammo/components, and remove some of the need for it to handle really big animals (not that it likely couldn't). The draw of having an accurate rifle chambered for a moderate and efficient round that is factory-supported and well-suited to both shooting for fun and hunting deer-sized game is apparent to a lot of hunters and shooters. Some die-hard .270win/.308win/30-06 guys I know are even starting to see the appeal. It helps when the new rifles are accurate as well.

Bullet design had really breathed new life into classics like the Savage rounds, Much the same reason 9mm has became so much more effective than it was in generations past. Not that they weren't effective in the right hands, they are just more forgiving with todays' selection.

A lot of you miss the point of the Creed's development. The whole point of the creed was to create a round that could shoot high BC bullets and still fit in a short action. It doesn't outperform the 260, but it allows more latitude to seat bullets. To to sit here and dismiss high BC bullets when discussing the Creedmoor, defeats its purpose. Obviously a 6.5-284 or 264 offers more velocity, but they require a long action with more powder and recoil.

Someone brought up a 30'06 with 225gr bullets. Yeah, that's what it takes to beat the Creed. 50% more powder and recoil, and you'd probably have to single feed it. Sounds like a winner, lol!

The 300 savage was hugely popular and successful. As usual, something new, something military, something to sell more rifles, came along. The 250 did well, but at a time not far behind black powder and heavy bullets, it was radical.

Agreed. I like the Creedmoor for the same reasons.

The .300 was a huge success back in the day and would have continued except for that pesky .308 Winchester.

If there had been enough consumer demand for the two Savage cartridges, Winchester would have made more Models 54 and 70 chambered for them. They didn't, so now 54s and pre-'64 70s chambered in 250-3000 and 300 Savage are among the least common and command high prices from collectors almost without regard to condition.

Prior to the end of WW2, Remington only chambered the Model 81 in 300 Savage and chose not to offer any rifles chambered in 250-3000. Since 1946 Remington has cataloged the Models 722 and 760 in 300 Savage and the 700 Classics for one year runs in both 250-3000 and 300 Savage, plus a few non-cataloged limited runs in 300 Savage for Grice and ??.

Marlin has never offered any rifles chambered for either of the Savage cartridges.

The 243 drove a stake into the heart of the 250-3000 and the 308 did the same to the 300 Savage, just like the 6.5 Creedmoor is likely to do to the 260.

I do occasionally shoot the 250-3000 in one of Larry Koller's Savage 1920s or one of John Barness' Winchester/USRA 70 Lightweight Carbines, but not often.

Every company has two loves when it comes to chamberings, theirs and military. Like with the military and love,, reason and wise choices has nothing to do with it.

I believe that publicly traded companies are in business to build share holder equity and in the firearms business the headstamp on the cartridge would be irrelevant as long as rifles chambered for those cartridges would sell. Winchester made 54s and 70s in 250-3000 and 70s in 300 Savage, but there wasn't much consumer demand, so they didn't make many. If there had been consumer demand, you can bet that they would have built more of them.

Other than the short neck, that 300 savage case was ahead of its time.

Indeed. And there is most likely a million or more of them out there.

Elaborating on #2 a bit more, you can buy some decent factory ammo for 18-20 bucks vs 30+ for the .260.

Federal, Hornady, and Winchester/Olin have made great ammo for the 6.5 Creedmoor from day one, while, in 180-degree contrast, Remington didn't. I started shooting the 260 in 10/97, before factory ammo was widely available from Remington, and the first factory ammo available from Remington, the 140 grain PCL, wasn't known for its accuracy. There has been better 260 factory ammo made during the two decades since its introduction, but it is clear that Hornady cared enough to set the 6.5 Creedmoor up for success, while Remington's introduction of the 260 could be written up as a Harvard Business Review (HBR) case study on how not to launch a product.

Remington has a history of f'ing up cartridge introductions.

Unbelievably slow learners, IMHO.

This is a baffling subject... The 6.5 CM does exactly what it was designed to do, and it does it well. If you want it to be more then it is your expectation that is wrong, not the cartridge. If you want 'more' get more. There's nothing lacking about the cartridge.

Long live the 270 and factory loaded 130 Corlokts.......

Given the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmoor, you've got to wonder why neither Remington nor Winchester/FN chamber any rifles for it and only Winchester/Olin makes ammo for it. I'm looking forward to trying the Winchester/Olin 125 grain Deer Season XP load.

All the things you have stated to change the Creedmoor into something other than what it is are some of the major reasons it's so popular. Like all caliber debates we have on this forum, pick any cartridge on the entire continuum of cartridges. Each is both better and worse from the cartridge immediately in front of and behind said cartridge depending on your criteria.

I think you've about covered all the bases. The bit about big animals is spot-on, especially if one considers the history of the Swede and MS rounds, with the inferior bullets available in their heyday. The late Al Miller did a piece on the Swede years back where he told of visiting the cabin of a ship's captain. The cabin was decorated with the photos of numerous dead polar bears and the box-stock 96 he had taken them with. Not my first choice, but you can't argue with results.

I'd like to try a CM, but have so many other irons in the fire at this point, I don't know when I'd get around to messing with it without neglecting something else in the pipeline. Just as well, as if there's anything I've learned while farting around with this stuff, it's that for my use, just about any cartridge from .243 to .30/06 works very well; one reason I tend to be attracted to interesting rifles more than any particular round.

I've always wanted a 260. Very hard to find in factory rifle though. Tikka made them, and they were so rare that they fetched a $200 premium over like models. Then Tikka did something odd and introduced their tactical guns in 6.5 creed -and- the 260.

Ruger has done the same with the Hawkeye FTW, supposely due to the military's interest in the .260 in some role or other. It's properly twisted. I have the very similar Predator in .308, and like it very much, especially the 2-stage trigger, which the FTW lacks.

I like the Creedmoor. I can't think of a single reason to own the 260 over the Creedmoor and I like the 260 as well.

The Creedmoor is the latest/hottest fad on the market and I don't expect that to change in the next few months. Some guys are turned off by that, some guys don't care. I'm in the "don't care" category. It does everything I want it to do.

I love comparisons that are skewed to prove one is clearly inferior.

baldhunter could you please re-do your comparison using one of the wonderfully built Lapua 6.5 projectiles and report back your findings.

Anxiously awaiting a response...

^ or with a Hornady ELD.

And in the real world, the Creed 130gr AB vs 30-06 168gr BT is practically same/same. There's likely not 75fps of difference in the pair and BC's are nearly identical. Neither is a bad place to be in a hunting rifle, one just brings more power to the table and the other is softer-shooting. And I've seen them both bullets kill deer just fine, in fact, both are great. When we start getting tricky, with VLD/ELD stuff, things do start to get more interesting from a numbers standpoint, and it is more difficult for the 30-06 to keep up without needing some really hard-kicking loads.

Darrik,

Actually, I don't expect the 6.5 Creedmoor's popularity to drop much anytime in the foreseeable future. It took a decade for many "average" hunters to realize that it was the most commonly-available moderate 6.5, not only in rifles but ammo and brass, but now many do.

But for some reason it pisses other people off. Dunno why, as all it was designed to do was reproduce the ballistics of the 6.5x55 and .260 in a cartridge fitting easily into the modern "short" magazine. That sort of mechanical adaptation has been happening to smokeless rifle cartridges since they were first developed over 130 years ago. It's also happened to other products outside the shooting industry, and is simply the way mechanical stuff changes due to manufacturing trends. But apparently a bunch of shooters get so wrapped up in "their" cartridges that they see the 6.5 Creedmoor as a personal insult.

Personally, along with two 6.5 Creedmoors I also have a 6.5x55 and .260. Then there are a couple of other "rifles" chambered a couple of other moderate 6.5's, a classic Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine for the 6.5x54 M-S, and a Sauer drilling with side-by-side 16-gauge barrels over a 6.5x57R rifle barrel. So far even the drilling hasn't gone into a snit over sharing safe-space with a pair of Creedmoors, but evidently some humans are far more sensitive.

My only gripe with the 6.5 Crudmoor is that it seems to be sucking up print space in every rag in print that might be devoted to something that interests me more, but that's just my self centered opinion! LOL! I find that I don't get enough trigger time with my quarter bores and light 7mm's to embark on a 6.5/.243 quest. Not a .243 or .270 fan either, but then again I don't like Irish Whisky or Lite beer either. If I don't feel that the .257 is enough gun, I step up to one of the 7mm cartridges, and if that ain't enough, her comes the .35 Whelen or .300 Roy! My bottom line is if the 6.5 C keeps one manufacturer in business, brings in one new hunter, or retains one old hunter in the sport, then it is all worthwhile. Happy Trails

I hunted with a 30'06 for 20 years, before buying my first 6.5. Now I'm a convert...sleek bullets, low recoil, and so far I've had impressive kills.

How does anyone look at the merits of what the 6.5 Creedmoor brings to the table and say they don't like it? When you look at what other cartridge designs have struggled with:

- Overall length to accommodate short-action magazines
- Brass availability from multiple vendors
- Chamber dimensions designed for what the cartridge was intended for
- Soft shooting platform which can entice youngsters to the sport
- Can work as both a predator cartridge and an elk cartridge given proper bullet selection

I latched onto the .260 Rem. scene 10 years ago. Had it not been for that, I'd be deep into 6.5 Creedmoor. However, I respect what it offers and I want one even if I am giving up 75 fps. Having seen what kind of groups I can get with the .260 at 1,000 yds, I believe the 6.5s are here to stay as opposed to years past where American hunters hated anything not .30 cal.

I think the 6.5CM is intriguing for slightly different reasons than the fad logic promoting it. It's more effective and efficient than a 243, recoils similar, can be had in good starter rifles, and shelf ammo doesn't REQUIRE me to roll my own for volume shooting. Since that's the case, it's a cool round to start a new shooter on, that can take them from initial marksmanship, through hunting, through long range training, AND be enjoyable to shoot. Maybe the 6CM will get into that same niche, over the 243, but I still think the 6.5 pills lend it to being a better all-around cartridge, where the 6CM might be better for everything if hunting versatility isn't an overriding priority. It's nice to have options for new/young/small shooters....or anyone tired of recoil involved with wanting to shoot all day. Sure....tacticool LR fads aside.

Agreed. The 6.5s have substantial advantages in BC, SD and recoil and the 6.5CM has enough right about the design that is wrong about the competitors that it's pretty much sweeping the field.

The 6.5 Creedmoor (or Creedmore for the idiots), is the best thing the factories have put out in my lifetime.

Apparently a 22/250 with a twist faster with 1-14" befuddles them.

I love my 6 creed. Shooting a 115 dtac with a BC of .620 is no joke for long range...

Agreed. My statement of "the next few months" was some satire. I need the smiley face emoji on a lot of stuff I type.

Here's my latest Creedmoor. It's my dedicated steel busting rig. (not that I don't do it with others too!) Factory rifle, factory ammo. First five shot group at 100 out of the rifle in the bottom picture. I'd bet the flyer was me, not the rifle.

Darrick,

Factory 6.5 creed in a sporter stainless T3x? Since when?

Or is that a CTR?

Clearly a CTR...

Yea, I think I missed the mag release when I posted that.

Wonder when a regular stainless 6.5 Creed is coming?

Which has me asking, other than a Kimber Hunter, what else is out there for a lightweight hunting rifle?

Howa Alpine Mountain. Browning X-Bolt. Savage has a few. Barrett Fieldcraft

Not to mention the grand daddy of them all, a Nula.

I bet anything with a .620 BC will fly well. I was merely speaking to the ability of the 6.5 to go up in weight for stuff bigger than deer...IF one intended. In my mind, that's a better realm for the 6.5 than the 6.....not any knock on the 6 for shooting lots or shooting long. I've got a 260, some 243s, and have dumped my 7s, and kept my 30s and 35s. 6.5CM seems to be another good off-the-shelf fed option for versatility....that's all. I can do without the stigma the goofiness and hype has given it. One of my 243 tubes may get pulled for a 6.5 CM tube I have waiting, and if I like it over a 260 THAT much, I might just have it set back and rechambered, as well. Hell, I have a CLR in '06 that I might let Melvin turn into a 6.5-06......probably be more fun to shoot, anyway. ....but I should have ONE '06.....just because.LOL

As I age, I have come to appriciate the wisdom in less is often more...and more is not always better.

It also looks like there are some vendor exclusive Tikka 3x superlights out there. Sportsman's warehouse has one listed for $800 and Cabela's has a camo stocked version for $930.

Geez...talk about mark up. Given you can currently get a Tikka T3 Lite stainless for $540...you could dang near put a carbon custom barrel on that in 6.5 creedmoor for what they are wanting for a silly camo stocked one at SW

Re: Best New cartridge in 20 years. I might answer 6.5x47 Lapua.

Granted you don't find many factory rifles and affordable ammo.

Jeff - you said "HBR" - guessing you have an MBA?
DC223 - 130 NABs work well. Not that others might not have an edge.

GA Boy - indeed. Folks finally thinking as I did 20+ years ago. 6.5's. Smaller rounds that beat your shoulder and ears up far less.

Take a look at the 47, and if you want to take it a step further - a 6.5BR or Grendel.

Yes to the MBA, Class of 1986. I was the oldest guy in my class at 31, the only veteran, and filling a minority slot for the first time in my life as the class was demographically divided at about 30% Chinese, 30% Indian, 30% Jewish, and 10% Other.

So evidently all the Tikka T3x's in the 6.5 Creedmoor are of the tactical version. No plain models - yet?

I've heard rumors of a T3x in 6.5 Creed, but haven't seen one.

My complaint is, how is the 6.5 Creedmoor any different than a 6.5 jap. or a 6.5 carcano, or a 6.5 manlicher. Those old cartridges had fast twist barrels, modest velocity, low recoil, heavy for caliber bullets. What Hornady did wasn't rocket science. Hornaday took an old idea and made it there own.

It fits in a short action with high BC bullets. That's how.

Wrong.

I think Rolly was a'trollin'...

I'm sure a 6.5 CM lurks in my future. It'd make a great ultralight Mountain Rifle, or any number of things for that matter. But I just wanted to say that in a bit heavier rifle the 6.5 SAUM (aka 6.5 GAP 4S) is a great cartridge too. Still a mild kicker and drives the 140's and 147's nicely. Still fits in a short action. Brass available from GAP. It's a winner, albeit a "bit" of a magnum.

Got word from Krieger that my 6mm tube is shipping. Building a slightly bigger brother to the creed...6mm Super LR. It predates the creed, and it's what the 243 or 260 case should have been...

.My 260 (sub MOA) does anything I need to 500 on game. I'm sure the Creed would too - as do most other calibers/bullets, reasonably applied, if accurate.. I don't't shoot at nuthin over 500- paper or game, so adjust your view... your wet dreams may vary...

I did notice that here in Alaska, Creed ammo was often available during the ammo shortage, when I had a hard time finding .260.. that reasoning could go either way.

The M98 '06 that shoots 1 inch groups at 300 yards gets the cut over my .260 when hunting caribou on the open tundra- and the 06 RU77 17 inch barreled rifle is as good as the .260..

Some adjustment for drop required....

I say it's a fun gun, perfect for wifey or young people. My 100 lb granddaughter shoots mine, no problem. Wife ask me yesterday, when we goin shooting again? She wants one of her own. Maybe I'll get my 25 06 back.

Handloader had a humor article in the 1980s about the .04/50 meaning the .50 BMG necked down for a 4 cal sewing machine needle.

Melvin is building me a .260 which he recommended over the cm due to greater brass availability. I have used large capacity cases in the past, and found they wrok best with longer barrels to maximize their potential. Then I found that small cases also can take advantage of more barrel. I am happy if the load I choose gives good hunting performance and 2800-2900 fps.

Things seem a little backed up at the shop, have you gotten an ETA on your rifle? Last I heard they had run out of actions and were building more, and they only have 4 guys working there. From what I got talking with Melvin is they are working hard at catching up.

The 260 and the 6.5 Creedmoor have the same capacity.

As per JeffO, you're speaking of 'over penetration', I believe. The venerable '06 is hardly the most overrated cartridge ever.

Welp.

I agree that it's not the most overrated cartridge ever. In fact it might arguably be the best hunting all-arounder there is.... certainly it's in the conversation.

But overpenetration is a whole different thing.

I was just shooting a cartridge today that is on par with 30-06 recoil, which is my 7 WSM's shooting 180-gn bullets. The thing is, for the recoil investment, the 7 WSM just torches the good ol' 30-06 in terms of capabilities, and in a more compact rifle to boot.

Anyway.... we digress... but that's the point of a cartridge like the 6.5 CM: to maximize performance per unit of recoil.

If Remington had done the 260 right we wouldn't be reading this thread!

3" magazine and 8" twist.

100% true. The reason we've got the Creedmoor now is entirely to fix the absurd mistakes Remington made in the .260

Yet, it still doesn't.

My Savage 260 Rem has both, I really like it a lot....................

6.5 Creedmoor always makes me think what a great round the 6.5mm Rem Mag could have been if it had been put in the right rifle. Maybe something like a Model 70 short action with 22-23" barrel.

Before anyone mentions the belt - it doesn't really matter to me, it can pretty much be ignored when handloading.

Yes I would think that a standard Tikka would be an easy variant to make.

The 6.5-284 duplicates the 6.5 Rem Mag's performance specs. I have put together a few and the 6.5-284 is a nice cartridge if the magazine is long enough, but no better than the 270 for most practical hunting applications.

So does a Tikka

As wildcats we've got the 6.5 WSM and 6.5 SAUM. I'm hopping that as people discover how effective on game the slow 6.5s are, we'll get a good short action fast 6.5 with factory support and a 1:8" twist. A 160 Woodleigh at 3050 ft/s seems like a pretty ideal cartridge for western hunts. The trajectory of the 7mmSTW with less recoil than a 7RM and more sectional density. Light guns would be a real possibility. Seems like you'd be in great shape for all big game except bison and great bears with that.

A 160 woodleigh has a dismal BC for its weight. Maybe good for still hunting, but not something I'd label "ideal for western hunts." 123-142 class bullets offer higher speed and BC.

Uh, what? Woodleigh #80A - 160gr spire point. G1 BC of .509. It'll work just fine. Maybe you're thinking of the round nose?

The ballistic calc says a +-3" MPBR of 300y and it stays in the velocity window for 560y. That's at sealevel. At elevation, it'll just get better. I think it would hunt the west remarkably well. Show me something with the same sectional density and more reach, and I'll bet it has a LOT more recoil.

A 123 Scenar has a BC of .527, and probably starts 300+ fps faster right out of the gate.

The new Hornady 147 ELD has a BC of .697 and probably has 150+ fps on the Woodleigh.

The Woodleigh starts out slower than both, and sheds its velocity faster than both. Its science, not opinion.

Are you daft? I'm not shooting an elk with a Scenar or Hornady match bullet. Even the ELD-X line has marginal terminal performance. And why would I want to move down to a 140 when the 160 has plenty of reach?

I have yet to see an animal die from numbers on paper.
When I was 20-something I could repeatedly keep 10 rounds in a 12" circle at 500 yards with my as issue, open sight, several times Depot Overhauled, Turbo Hydramatic/Winchester/Colt M16A1 with issued M193 ammo. Goose loose crap rifle with crap issue ammo though fired prone with a tight sling, many thousands of us qualified Expert with such a crumby combo.
Take the scopes off your "Creeds" and see if you can do better than that. But, but, but.....Oh, Yep, You don't gots iron sights. LOL.
How many thousand yard records with the "Creed" are smaller than the record with a 30 caliber cartridge? Oh, but, but, but, LOL

OK, I admit, there was a dog that ate my homework and the vet could't save him.

The world record 1000 yd bench rest group was shot with a 6 Dasher shooting high BC 105 Bergers.

What does a crappy M16 shot in your glory days have to do with applied ballistics?

My attraction would be that 270 performance in a short action. You are probably right - 270 performance, which would be pretty neat in a short action and more compact rifle. Actually maybe a little better because of better BC in 6.5mm. I have never shot a creedmoor or a 260, so I am sure not trying take anything away from those rounds. I just think 270ish performance in short action would be kind of neat. In a way, a fast 6.5mm in a short action fills a similar position in short action cartridges as does the 7mm mag in standard action - fast, flat, good bc and sd. Not the the equivalent of 7mm, more a like a counterpart in SA. I haven't been around the wsm cartridges - 6.5 wsm may be great or a little too much of a good thing

I have heard of a new one Hornady is working on 6.5 PRC. There were rumors of Ruger chambering it a while ago.

Sorry, I kind of meant that as a response to an earlier post but got the reply thing wrong.

Killin like a .270.... and recoiling like a Roberts.... seems like a pretty damn good place to be..

You're going to run into COAL issues with longer VLD bullets in a Remington short action if the case length is greater than 47mm. The 260, 6.5-284, 6.5 SAUM, and 6.5 WSM all have cases longer than 47mm.

The 270 WSM, 7mm SAUM, and 7mm WSM all approximate 270 WIN/280 REM performance in a short action and while the longer 6.5mm VLD bullets have superior BC numbers, they may be too long to fit into the SA magazine.

That's the main reason I went 6.5x47L on my last build, to shoot the pointy stuff at 260 speeds from a 2.8" magazine box. I wound up using a DBM anyway, so the Creed would have been fine too. Even so, a slick 130 at 2,900 makes things easy when recoil is light, whatever the case design is.

Apparently mediocre is good enough for some when ability is somewhat lacking to achieve greatness.

Yeah, who in their right mind would ever shoot an elk with a Scenar??

That 700TI stainless take-off barrel you sold me some years back, I put on a 725. Screwed right in with perfect headspace - exactly upside down. I don't need to see the barrel stamping anyway. With a good rest, it will shoot 3 (and probably 5 - not something I worry about) 140 gr. factory Corelokts into about 2 1/2 inches at 300 yards.

I've killed caribou to about 400 yards with it. And an elk at @ 150. It is sufficient to my needs to 500 yards - my limit. Nice carry rifle too.

Except it doesn't seem to like ANYTHING but 140's. I need to experiment with handloads a bit when I get back out of the Bush, and have some time. I'd sure like to try a 129, and some monos. Barnes TSX factory 120's gave me horrible groups!

I can live with what I've got.....

My Vanguard likes the Barnes 120's. Hammers deer and pigs. I'm eager to try it in a 200 lb plus Aoudads.

Equipment doesn't make a shooter good though it will help you average daydreamers to shoot with unhindered mediocrity.. At least on computers. LOL
Those who can have. Those who can't seek crutches, Dude.
Address my last question instead of attacking in obfuscation and avoidance.

Just as an FYI, and I know you are generally aware of this Jeff but just to clarify... that can be addressed a few different ways. First, proper spec of the throating cut on the reamer... by way of example, my 6.5 SAUM on a Rem SA kisses the lands with a 140 ELD @ 2.820 COAL, because that's how Gardner at GAP spec's the PTG reamer I used. Second, it's really easy to modify a Rem SA action for a Wyatt's extended box... on my 7 WSM that's built on a Rem SA, I get 2.925" COAL. A guy could literally modify the action cleanly with a file, though I used a mill. Third, if you use a DBM/AICS mag setup you can get over 3" of COAL.

Remington short actions are wonderful things (I know we agree about that ) capable of superb accuracy and with the short mags, they don't give up much that matters to a LA chambering... if a guy addresses the COAL issue through a combo of the above 3 methods it's smooth sailing...

What you say is true, but how many Remington 700s have Wyatt magazine boxes or a DBM/AICS magazine setup installed? I didn't get the impression that Slope77 was looking for a complicated answer to the question "I just think 270ish performance in short action would be kind of neat.".

You are absolutely correct that as-issued factory short mags have COAL issues. I just wanted to clarify that they are solvable. A Wyatt's is < $75 and a guy could install it himself... and get slick-as-snot feeding as a big bonus.

It's really too bad Big Green has their head so far up a dark smelly place. A great platform... but hell if THEY seem to realize that!

Marketing 101, if there isn't sufficient consumer demand for the product that you make, you are likely to lose money making it.

Remington started making short action bolt action rifles in 1948, along 70 years, and if there had been sufficient consumer demand for a longer magazine box, it is reasonably likely that no matter how tone deaf Remington seems to be, they would have redesigned the short action family that started with the 722 to meet that demand.

The restriction is literally just that screw-hole-nub for the rear screw that retains the triggerguard in an ADL (blind mag) setup... completely remove that, and make a slight mod to the bolt stop and you'd be over 3" ... it would be SO EASY for them to offer an "extended mag" short action. Couple that with reamers that cut the throat shorter, and viola. All the COAL a guy could want.

I think they are reeling from the Walker trigger (which I like and use) fiasco and subsequent multiple recalls. In addition to being, as you say, tone deaf.

Exactly. You've gotta look far and wide to find a Scenarshooter.

I heard about a guy shooting one of those Dall's Sheep with a 123 Scenar, must've been daft in the head.

They're not the only .260's with a 3-inch mag box and fast twist. Maybe the only factory rifles.

I think that Remington probably focuses their CF rifle marketing efforts toward their biggest group of buyers, which I assume to be the guys who annually shoot a box or two of factory ammo and hunt deer. It seems to me that Remington has made its fair share of poor product decisions in both ammo and firearms.

When I get tired of reading about something I have a simple solution. I quit reading about it.

Same thing with radio and TV. Don't like what's on? Change the channel or turn it off.

What a novel concept.

Good one Phil.....;)

One day someone is going to improve the Creedmoor and 260, and un-restrict it by using it in a long action.

Perhaps with a case length of around, say... 55mm....

Jeff, Class of '14 here, might have to chat sometime.

As long as the throats are less than 3/4" long you might be on to something there...

6.5 GAP 4s for the WIN!

Or someone could rediscover the 1913 vintage 256 Newton and the circle would be completed.

some great posts on this thread!!

killed my first deer with a 6.5,,,,,,a 6.5x52 Carcano,,,,surplus M38 bought from a barrel at the old Coast-to-Coast hardware store in northern Wisconsin in 1974,,,,,believe it cost $25,,,,,,

really like 6.5s but closest I have at the moment is my 250-3000 Savage 99,,,,,,,,,

always wanted a 6.5x55,,,,even have dies already,,,,reckon I need to pull the trigger on a gun one of these days,,,,,

wouldn't pass up a 6.5 Creedmoor if I won one at a banquet!!! not sure I'd buy one though (I like older rounds for some reason),,,,,,,,

While the 6.5 is a great cartridge, it is not magic. For hunting I'll take my 6.5-06AI for the same reasons I prefer my .30-06 rifles to my .308 Win for my hunting.

Prefer more recoil and blast?

Re: 3/4" throat, no doubt some Swedes have generous Leade, that said, a buddy and I discovered even 85s shot fairly well in his Kimberized Mil-Surp bbl.

That said, I have run many, and if doing again would go this route:

Another K1-A Ruger, no issues
A Sako or Tikka OEM - it seems the Finns have the throating sorted out.....rightfully so.
A full blown Custom

A former M70 SS FWT CRF doted on 140s.

That said, I do like the SA 6.5s, w/o belts. My current 47 is Sweet

Uh HUH I like mustard and biscuits

You forgot the ham hocks.

Haters gonna hate . . . .

https://www.remington.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/model-700-magpul

Couple of other flavors available too.

I'm pretty sure that I'd buy a Howa 1500 from Whittaker's for $330 or a Vanguard2 from Bud's for between $507 and $563 before I'd pay suggested retail for a 700 SPS.

I might even consider a Winchester/FN XPR for $432 before I'd buy a 700 SPS.

+1

LOL, I can guarantee that one thing the Creedmoor detractors all have in common is, they don't have one.

I always wonder why they're not equally pissed-off at the .30-06, because it cut into the popularity of the .30-40 Krag--and the .30-06 still gets mentioned frequently, here and there.

I might also wonder at how few of them can spell "Creedmoor" correctly, but then a lot of Creadmoore fans can't either.

It seems like the detractors miss the point in one way or another.

Well, I don't have one either, and that's what pisses me off....

Jeeez... How many times are You going to mention the 30-06 springfeld in ONE entry? the only reason it didn't die was We needed the brass for the .35 Whelen.

Figures I'd see it mentioned repeatedly in a thread that I am forced to read about the creadmore.

Jerry

Was hammering steel today with my 6.5 GAP... fits easily in a short action... I'm just sayin'....

I have shot 6.5C and I shot it well... I walk away saying "So what? and why all the rave?"

Must be the non-existent recoil is all I can figure... and business gurus using sexy women with their marketing hype/appeal.

So how much did you shoot the 6.5 Creedmoor, and at what ranges with what ammo?

100 yards, Ruger Precision... friend's loads. Shot 1/2 MOA. 10 rounds maybe.

I get that some folks like the caliber and love 6.5 pills... I do really... I just don't get all the wildfire type rave.

My 300 or 340 Weatherbys are still preferred and can hold their own against a 6.5.

When I am to old too still shoot them well any longer, I may get a 6.5 Swede.

Interesting read... http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/josh-wayner/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/

If you want to discuss marketing.......the "belted" magnum IMO was one of the biggest marketing gimmicks ever. The 6.5 creedmoor is a great round for those who don't reload because of a large selection of quality factory ammo. Personally I reload and that's why I roll with the 6.5X55 Swede. ☺



Trystan

Some people are curious and want to try new things even if they are redundant to things that they already have and which fill the same niche in a perfectly adequate manner.

Most people would be happy to be able to pick up an unfamiliar rifle and shoot 0.5 MOA, but you are obviously an exceptional shot and not at all like "most people".

I had a couple dozen perfectly adequate 260s, 6.5x55s, 256 Newtons, and 6.5-284s before the 6.5 Creedmoor was introduced. I finally got around to buying my first 6.5 Creedmoor in 2014 'cause I was curious. Since then, I have purchased a few more, sold or traded a couple of them, and find myself with 7 of them today. I have another one on my wish list, the pending limited run of Cerakoted Ruger Americans.

Same/same with the 25 WSSM. When the 25 WSSM was introduced in 2004 I had several perfectly adequate 250-3000s, 257 Roberts', 257AIs, 25-284s, and 25-06s, but I was curious and ended up with 15 of them. The 25 WSSM is a virtual orphan, but it is still an interesting cartridge to me, despite the shooting public's lack of love for it.

Since I am primarily a whitetail and coyote hunter, I have no practical need for a rifle chambered for any belted magnum with a bore diameter greater than 0.284" and only keep one, a 375 H&H, because I hauled it to Africa a couple of decades ago and it has sentimental value from that trip.

It's no wonder many new shooters have such trouble sorting things out. Once you have your own experience, it's easy to tell who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. But if you are green, you might read an article like that and really think a 24" Creed offered no practical advantage to a 13.5" 308. On the other hand, you don't need to know the subject matter to pick up on his obvious bias.

Good to see you are still a fuc*king idiot.

Jeff,

Tell me about that? Predator? Threaded? Who's stocking those? Shortactionsmoker?

Please change your handle to "D!ckhead" it suits you quite well... steel implies strength and fortitude... you are a parasitic, petulant internet troll.

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The rest of you guys make some good points... "Out of the box guns... factory ammo... etc." hadn't really thought about that much so much. I do hear "Creedmore" buzzed about all the time and for me just don't get it... i.e. OP.

What is it about a belt on a cartridge case that seems to scare so many people?

Reload using the case shoulder to head space from on a belted case and the belt becomes invisible for all practical purposes.

I load for and shoot both a 264 Winchester Magnum and a 6.5x55 Swede. Neither case is scarier than the other.

David,

Not an RAR-P and not threaded, but a standard RAR with a 22" sporter weight/contour barrel with the metal Cerakoted in the desert sand color and the stock printed with a Kryptek Nomad camo pattern. It is an exclusive for United Sporting Companies and is illustrated on the Ruger site as their item # 16942.

I'm planning to buy 5 or 6 of them so that I can have 1 or 2 here at home, 3 to leave with my pre-positioned caches of hunting gear in CO, NH, and SD, and 1 to give to my friend, Andy, with the expectation that he'll return the Winchester/USRA 70 in 25 WSSM that he borrowed from me a decade or so ago.

My beef isn't with the belt per se, but rather the often huge amount of slop in the fit of new belted brass to the chamber.

what about us lefties?

Screwed from the git-go.

Cash, interesting article, exemplifies everyone has an opinion.

Curious, what is the bulk of your shooting and hunting? Game, ranges, etc?

I checked on those exclusives again today. None available in 6.5. I have them on a big backorder...

I think you lefties will be satisfied soon. I heard a rumor.

a rumor is better than nothing

Could you tell us if it was a Ruger rumor or a Tikka rumor, or other?

Mostly the mountains, cut-overs and bean fields of VA... generally 400-500 yards or less... occasional trip to Idaho, Texas, Ohio... nothing much else. Used to live in Alaska, but that was a long time ago.

I just enjoy the mechanics of guns... enjoy building them... testing stuff... working out kinks. Some traditional... some weird (.338F, .358W, 9.3x62M, .375Socom, .460 Rowland w/ and w/o cans)... that kinda stuff.

90% of my range time is 100 yards (two or three times a week)... 3-4 times a years we try and stretch things out.

Drop me a PM if you want to chat more/videos/pics etc. Don't want to hijack this thread.

I was just curious as to you saying you prefer a 300 and 340 Roy, as to what size game and range. My longest deer kill was using a 6BR at 400 yds, LRF.....made it all of 25 yds or so after the hit. I too have enjoyed doing alot of R&D as many Loony's here, but getting narrowed down to keeping it simple and what works, minimizing blast to ears and recoil, so I have focused mostly on everything from 221 to 7/08, a 338/06 and 350 RM for good measure, but those are long gone, and the old Swede. I was a 6.5-308 user pre-260 Saami, after having Swedes, later 260s, and a Creedmoor, I did like it fine. It worked well like others, but to simplify cartridges I load for, I weeded out all but a 47 Lapua for now. I could flip a coin between it and the CM based on my experience.

Nothing it will do that another good 6.5 won't, but the 47 is very pleasant and a tackdriver. The 9.3 was on my bucket list, but time is short, so not sure if I will get around to playing with one, but it would be a top choice if I planned an Elk hunt, or even Africa. I like Mid-bores for a purpose, and never felt I needed to reach beyond the distances you do. But found the 6s and 6.5s to be very enjoyable. The 6BR has been one of my most enjoyable, having had many built. I guess I never needed a large 30 or 338, though owned a 338 WM for a short time. Shot a 416 RM once, never again. Hate recoil, and blast, already have a touch of tinnitus at times, likely due to shooting without proper protection when a youngster. None the less, we all like a different flavor I suppose. I do notice many over the years, "down-sizing" or Right-sizing, whichever they might call it, to rounds more shootable, and they continue to fill the freezer. I'll admit to still owning a 243, flat, accurate, deadly, mild. Just never warmed up to 300s and 340s, but respect what they can do, and owners who shoot them well. That 375-08 does sound interesting, only b/c back in the mid 90s I mocked up a 338/08, though know it was wildcatted years before. I suppose you can ring out a 300 Roy over those open areas. I guess in the end, we all use what works for us, based on experience....and after my first rifle, a 7RM, 30 years ago, I have gone the opposite direction of many. I guess you could say I am in the "Less is more" crowd.

Ruger.

Sent you a PM 65BR... don't want to hijack the thread on other calibers.

Please make it a rimfire rumor....?

an american in 22mag would be nice

I picked up a New 6.5 Creedmoor and a 308 this spring....I walked into Cabelas the next week.....One box of 6.5 Greed on the shelf for 40 bucks....Hundreds of rounds of all flavors of 308 starting at 14 bucks a box for Hunting Ammo....I walked in to Bass pro just a couple of Boxes for sky high prices....I walked in to Academy sports....None....I do not reload...So I came Home and put the 6.5 Creed on line and sold it.....So if you reload get a Creedmoor. If not get a 308.

I could argue the other way around. Very easily.

Why do you think it was hard to find on the shelf?

Super accurate and very well put together factory loads for the 6.5 Creed.

At Twice the price....For very little Gain...I will just shoot when the wind is not Blowing......

Very accurate 308 rounds Available for cheap.. So I can Shoot a lot more and Learn to dope the wind.

So Factory 308 rounds are put together different than 6.5?

How is a 6.5 Creedmoor round put together to make it More Accurate than a 308 round?

Funny How the 308 was the [bleep] for over 60 years.. Along comes the 6.5 and all of sudden the 308 is worthless!

I will keep my 308 and shoot 100s of rounds for cheap this summer and if I am lucky I will kill a Monster Buck with it this Fall. If the wind is not Blowing!

There is lots of 6.5 Creedmoor ammo available at the local Cabela's, Scheel's, and Guns Unlimiited. Even if there wasn't, there has always been plenty of it available for purchase from on-line retailers. The least expensive ammo 6.5 Creedmoor that I've seen/bought has been Hornady's American Whitetail 129 grain hunting load for around $18 per box of 20 and it shoots excellent groups in my rifles.

Yep, kinda like what truck ur driving. When I had a Chevy I heard, "I've got all kind of Ford parts the Chevy's are higher"..... Later when I got a Ford, guess what I heard, "I've got all kind of Chevy parts, the Ford's are higher."

Jerry

Compared to the 308 - There's not nearly as much manufactured....so less supply.

Out of ALL the hunters I know NONE owns a Creed.

For that matter I have a 6.5X55 and I've never known anyone who had one either.

Jerry

When you shoot a firearm with less common factory ammo, you just have to plan ahead. Some people are planners, while most people live more or less spontaneously.

Agreed. Fortunately I began handloading early on so I've never been dependent on factory ammo. Plus I believed in stocking up on components.
It only makes sense to me. I never felt the PINCH of the 22 RF 'shortage'.

Jerry

I started handloading when I was 12 so that I could feed my 219 Zipper, 25-35, 250-3000, and 7x57, but I'll shoot factory ammo if it has a bullet weight and style that I like and is accurate in my rifles.

Weatherby has 6.5 in 300 weatherby.

Did not mean any offense...

Dom's rifle (Ruger Precision) has had the trigger adjusted, wears a 20x SWFA... and we were shooting well developed hand loads at 100 yards at an indoor range. IMHO, most any reasonable shooter could shoot 1/2 MOA with that set up.

My only comment was that I just do not get all the rave over 6.5 Creedmore...

You obviously read more into my comment than was intended. I wasn't offended by your comment, rather I was complementing you on your skills and success based solely on what you had posted.

It has been my experience that very few people, probably a fraction of 1%, are likely to have the skills to shoot 0.5 MOA groups with an unfamiliar rifle, thus you are obviously an exceptional shot and clearly unlike most people. I think that, as a group, shooters tend to over emphasize equipment and under emphasize the development of skills that only comes via practice, practice, and more practice.

EDIT: I seldom let myself get agitated by what gets posted by the mostly anonymous campfire brethren, unless it is a personal attack. In the case of personal attacks, I just put the campfire brother whose comments I find offensive on "IGNORE" and go blissfully on my way. Life is too short to let a person who is of no consequence to me get under my skin.

Good to know you Sir... look forward to future chats.

I go one step further. If someone is offensive to another poster I put the on "IGNORE".

There is nothing wrong with the Cringemore if you like the ballistics and the rifles and actions so chambered.
It is a personal choice so doesn't really infringe on the other 6.5 options available as they will all accomplish the same or similar results over usual hunting distances.
I would never own one because I already have hunting rifles that cover the game where that cartridge would be used.

If you like them, go for it. If you don't, you are still making the right choice.

Huh, you must just hang with a buncha hillbillies or somethin. Three of my coworkers have 6.5 Creeds, two have 6.5x55's and one has a 6.5 Grendel. I recently bought a Creed myself so that makes 7 of us that have a 6.5 mm of some flavor. That's roughly 1/3 of the total workforce so I guess you could say the .264" bore is pretty popular here..

C'mon, man, stop sugar-coating it.

Good for y'all.

Jerry

I'm really hoping for a .270 Creedmoor....

Just don't forget, BC's mean something only to those who shoot game at unethical distances and in unethical scenarios...

The .270 Creedmoûr and tinfoil bullets would be uber skookum!

The man was ahead of his time.....

You just can't find this kind of entertainment anywhere...thanks for the laugh.

I like rhymes. Make mine a 204 creedmoor....

Way over bore, the .204 Creedmoor.

For shore.

encore!

I really enjoy both 6.5 Creedmoors I've owned. I've also owned a 260, and a 6.5x55. I've taken 31 deer with those 3 over the years. Honestly have not seen a hill of beans difference on game. Both Creedmoors have been more accurate with factory and handloads combined. When I owned the 260 factory ammo was scarce, and the accuracy of the 140 core lokts were dismal at best. The Swede was so so accuracy wise with factory loads. Handloads in the 3/4" range. Both Creedmoors routinely average in the 1/2" territory with factory loads, and sub 1/2" with handloads. The Swede is still my favorite due to its history. Just wish the one I had didn't have so much freebore. The 260 lost its case capacity by having to seat its bullets so deep to run through the magazine. I can easily hit the lands with my Creedmoors and still feed perfect through the factory mags, without spending more money on bottom metal to run aics mags,or wyatts mag box.

I'm tired of it too! 'Cept Prime Ammo had free shipping Father's Day sale. Ordered a case of creedmoor boolits.

I'm tired of the 6.5 Creedmore, the 6.5 Creedmoore, the 6.5 Creedmoar, and a few other versions.... The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent cartridge though, especially for folks that shoot.

Academy has the hornady black ammo in creedmoor for $20 a box. Grabbed a couple to try.

Thank you... that needed to be said.

I bought one last year, I don't think it is any sort of magic though. I wanted a rifle that had a little less recoil than my .30-06, a gun that I could put a scope with turrets on and shoot a pronghorn or aoudad out to 400 yards, and something to shoot long range steel with for fun. Being that I shoot Weatherby Vanguards, the Creedmoor it was. I'm not going to spend the $ on a custom 6.5x47 or 6.5-06 when I can buy a guaranteed accurate rifle for $400.

IMO, people obsess needlessly over cartridge choice when it is the gun weight, barrel length, scope choice, etc, that makes the bigger differences as to how well it works for your needs. For the 90% of hunters that shoot deer from 0-300 yards, anything from a .243 to a .300 Win Mag will do the job just fine.

If I were to start from scratch with my hunting rifles, I'd probably have a pair of Weatherby Vanguards in McMillan stocks, topped with Leupold 2-12 VX-6's. One chambered in .22-250AI and the other in .280AI, both with fast enough twist to shoot heavy bullets.