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Posted By: IceCut .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
2019 will see a slew of rifles chambered for the .300 PRC (30/375 Ruger). Given that the 30/375 Winchester and the 30/8mm Remington Magnum and the 30/378 Weatherby among others have been around for a while, will this caliber be as successful as they hope (6.5 CM)?
I love my .300 Winchesters. Is the .300 PRC smoke and mirrors or the REAL DEAL?
Posted By: 16bore Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Wouldn't it be the same as a 300 WSM and 300 SAUM?
Posted By: IceCut Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
I think they are trying to create a buzz that will match the 6.5 CM in terms of Hornady ammo sales, etc. What has my attention is that it will come out in the Bergara Premiere series rifles among others.....I am LUSTING for an HMR PRO in .30 caliber (never a .308)
Posted By: aalf Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Here ya go....knock yourself out......

http://forum.snipershide.com/threads/300-prc-update.6890837/.

https://gununiversity.com/300-prc-ballistics-and-comparisons/

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/300-prc.3959420/
Posted By: Just a Hunter Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Did the military just pick it up for certain applications like sniping. That usually makes cartridges last.
Posted By: kingston Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Originally Posted by 16bore
Wouldn't it be the same as a 300 WSM and 300 SAUM?


No
Posted By: Tennessee Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
Did the military just pick it up for certain applications like sniping. That usually makes cartridges last.


Yes they did. Chambered in Barrett MRADs

300 PRC in MRADs



Posted By: IceCut Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18

Yup. Part of the "marketing" is DOD approval and they are branding it a "poor man's" .338 Lapua with similar ballistics and a lot less recoil.
Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Originally Posted by IceCut
2019 will see a slew of rifles chambered for the .300 PRC (30/375 Ruger). Given that the 30/375 Winchester and the 30/8mm Remington Magnum and the 30/378 Weatherby among others have been around for a while, will this caliber be as successful as they hope (6.5 CM)?
I love my .300 Winchesters. Is the .300 PRC smoke and mirrors or the REAL DEAL?
.........................Well I would not trade or sell my 300 Win (if I owned one) to get into this new round...........Doing a google search, I came across a video by Hornady with Joe Thielen entitled,,,,,, "Hornady 300 PRC-Ultimate 30 Caliber."

35 seconds or so into that video it shows a 300 PRC and the 375 Ruger side by side. To my eyes and even though the case shapes are nearly identical, the 375 Ruger has a larger diameter case body from the shoulder going down. It appears that while they say the 300 PRC is a 375 Ruger case necked down to a 30 cal, is it really? Not exactly to me. Am I missing something here?.....................Based on a 375 Ruger is one thing (which the 300 PRC certainly is). But still, the 375 Ruger case body appears a little larger in diameter.
Posted By: IceCut Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18

I love my .300 Winchesters...they have been good to me since 1967! My bottom line is functional performance superiority or equality. Is it truly a poor man's improved .308 Norma or a .338 Lapua ballistically with a lot less kick? I will keep an open mind and sort the HYPE from the ACTUALITY when and if I get one.
Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Hornady may be hyping the 300 PRC a little by calling it "The Ultimate 30 Caliber" which was within the title of that video. Who put that in the title? I have no idea.

If you are a fan of beltless cases and like something new to play with, then the 300 PRC will do the trick.

Ballistically, it is not the ultimate 30 cal. It might be 3rd or 4th in line behind the 30-378 Bee, the 300 RUM and maybe the 300 Bee too. We'll see after the ballistic #s come out.
Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
Oooops.......Forgot to add in the 30 Nosler in my above post. Sorry to you 30 Nosler folk! The 300 PRC ballistically might be in 5th place......
Posted By: Orion2000 Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/20/18
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Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
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.......................Agreed......But fun!
It will never match the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmoor. It can't. It's a .300 Magnum and cartridges that big are simply not needed to kill game in North America, or anywhere else, for that matter. The Creed is proving this to shooters and hunter which, ironically, will dull sales of the .300 PRC.

There will still be the penis-envy crowd who has to have a .300 Mag because, "The .270 Win is too small for elk!" and because, "Only a girl shoots a .243 Win!" But after the dudes who are compensating for lack of .... er ... "length" are done buying it, it will settle in well somewhere below the .300 Win Mag in sales and maybe around or slightly above the .300 WSM.

Hard to beat the .300 Win Mag, as it has been proving itself for many years and this new .300 PRC really doesn't offer anything different like the 6.5 Creedmoor does other than maybe seating longer bullets easier, but US hunters like the 180gr in .30 cal, so it won't much matter.

As a sniper rifle, the .300 PRC is the schitt, though. Great round that certainly has a place.
Posted By: 16bore Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
This ^

I'm sure it's got it's place in the cutting edge of sniper gear, but it's probably not your average Joe deal. 6.5 CM certainly takes the cake for an all arounder in the "new and improved department"

243 and 270 suit my needs just fine, but it's interesting to see things get pushed.
Posted By: Big Stick Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Pass the 7WSM and 180 ELD's.

Hint...............
Posted By: kingston Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Hornady may be hyping the 300 PRC a little by calling it "The Ultimate 30 Caliber" which was within the title of that video. Who put that in the title? I have no idea.

If you are a fan of beltless cases and like something new to play with, then the 300 PRC will do the trick.

Ballistically, it is not the ultimate 30 cal. It might be 3rd or 4th in line behind the 30-378 Bee, the 300 RUM and maybe the 300 Bee too. We'll see after the ballistic #s come out.


I thought you died?
Posted By: Big Stick Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
She's "shooting" her Imagination.



Again....................
Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Hornady may be hyping the 300 PRC a little by calling it "The Ultimate 30 Caliber" which was within the title of that video. Who put that in the title? I have no idea.

If you are a fan of beltless cases and like something new to play with, then the 300 PRC will do the trick.

Ballistically, it is not the ultimate 30 cal. It might be 3rd or 4th in line behind the 30-378 Bee, the 300 RUM and maybe the 300 Bee too. We'll see after the ballistic #s come out.


I thought you died?
...............Nope!............BOOO
Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Be interesting too see what manufacturers begin chambering the 300 PRC..................How about a 7mm PRC there Hornady?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Be interesting too see what manufacturers begin chambering the 300 PRC..................How about a 7mm PRC there Hornady?

Based on the 6.5 PRC, please!!!
Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Originally Posted by seattlesetters
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Be interesting too see what manufacturers begin chambering the 300 PRC..................How about a 7mm PRC there Hornady?

Based on the 6.5 PRC, please!!!
..................No Seattle. Not based on the 6.5 PRC. I was referring to a 300 PRC case necked down to a 7mm. Thus the 7mm PRC...
Posted By: bigsqueeze Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Maybe Hornady will do a 7mm based on the 6.5 PRC case too.....
Posted By: Coyote_Hunter Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Looks like a pretty decent cartridge for longrange shooting. For the average Joe, forget about rechambering your current rifle. The maximum OAL is 3.7" which is too long for a number of popular rifle types.

Guess I'll stick with my 300WM. I won't be shooting game past 600 anyway.
Posted By: 16bore Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Maybe a 6.5 PRICMOOR
Posted By: kingston Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
7mm-300 PRC is nearly a 7LRM.

http://site-media.net/gunwerks/7LRMarticle(1).pdf
Posted By: WiFowler Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Originally Posted by IceCut
2019 will see a slew of rifles chambered for the .300 PRC (30/375 Ruger).


Is your real name Karnac - you know, the prognosticator that used to frequent the Johnny Carson Show? As I recall, the same was said about the 6.5PC. To date I have seen and personally held one rifle chambered in 6.5PRC - a Christensen Mesa Long Range Dealer told me it had been on order for 8 months. It's not as if they (6.5PRCs) are filling or falling of the shelves/racks.

SHOT Show is a month away, and only time will tell who will step to the plate and announce an affordable, and available commercial rifle chambered in 300PRC that'll ship before mid-summer or early fall. JMHO
Posted By: jwall Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/21/18
Originally Posted by IceCut
I think they are trying to create a buzz that will match the 6.5 CM in terms of Hornady ammo sales, etc. What has my attention is that it will come out in the Bergara Premiere series rifles among others.....I am LUSTING for an HMR PRO in ... ā€œ.30 caliber (never a .308)ā€


Well..., someone else with my sentiments.

I should add that I like my 06 and 300 WM and Iā€™m not looking for something else.

Jerry
Posted By: IceCut Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18


I knew a guy named Karnac some years ago, but, I think he got deported (just kidding!).....Actually, I love my .300 Winchesters and have also had quite a few .300 Wildcats over the years...but, my money is saved and I have a couple of dealers on alert for the first Bergara HMR PRO in .300 PRC they get. I GOTTA HAVE IT! (Meaning, Bergara will be making them!)
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18
Meh,more hype. It won't do anything that the other .300 magnums won't do.
Posted By: WiFowler Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18
Originally Posted by IceCut


I knew a guy named Karnac some years ago, but, I think he got deported (just kidding!).....Actually, I love my .300 Winchesters and have also had quite a few .300 Wildcats over the years...but, my money is saved and I have a couple of dealers on alert for the first Bergara HMR PRO in .300 PRC they get. I GOTTA HAVE IT! (Meaning, Bergara will be making them!)



My experience with Bergara leads me to believe that a 300PRV available and shipping in February (timeframe taken from another post) is all hype. My best guess is that there will possibly be one at SHOT, and a handful out there subsequently - in the hands of gun writers so they can drive the hype and 'demand.. FWIW, I saw a preview of the cover of the March 2019 Shooting Times magazine. It sports a large pic of the 300PRC.. Didn't get to read the article to see how/if/what it was tested/shot in, but my guess is it was doe in a test rifle at Hornady.
Posted By: Coyote_Hunter Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18
While I can see snipers and long range enthusiasts being interested in the ..300PRC, I don't see it gaining wide use as a hunting cartridge. The 3.7" length requires a heavier, magnum length action, so rebarreling .30-06-length rifles won't allow max COL cartridges to fit in the magazine, negating much of it's design advantage. In a similar weight rifle I calculate a.308" 212g bullet at 2850fps will have about 10% more recoil than my .338WM with a 225g bullet A 2750fps - which is to say not very comfortable to shoot.

For my carry purposes, a heavier rifle is not an option I'd consider lightly, if at all, in spite of the recoil reduction it would provide. Never mind the scope needed to take advantage of extreme ranges would add even more weight. I suspect the same is true for many - the .300WM will do what they need at a weight and recoil level they find acceptable.

What I'd like to see is a 6.5 based on the .375 Ruger and designed to fit a .30-06 length action. It wouldn't replace my 6.5-06AI as a target rifle, but I would like one in a sporter-weight rifle for carry purposes.
Posted By: Big Stick Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18
The 6x MQ's windshield...will only get the 264 Kreedmire platform to the 1125yd line,in this morning's atmosphere(147's).

Hint..................
Posted By: aalf Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
While I can see snipers and long range enthusiasts being interested in the ..300PRC, I don't see it gaining wide use as a hunting cartridge. The 3.7" length requires a heavier, magnum length action, so rebarreling .30-06-length rifles won't allow max COL cartridges to fit in the magazine, negating much of it's design advantage. In a similar weight rifle I calculate a.308" 212g bullet at 2850fps will have about 10% more recoil than my .338WM with a 225g bullet A 2750fps - which is to say not very comfortable to shoot.
For my carry purposes, a heavier rifle is not an option I'd consider lightly, if at all, in spite of the recoil reduction it would provide. Never mind the scope needed to take advantage of extreme ranges would add even more weight. I suspect the same is true for many - the .300WM will do what they need at a weight and recoil level they find acceptable.
What I'd like to see is a 6.5 based on the .375 Ruger and designed to fit a .30-06 length action. It wouldn't replace my 6.5-06AI as a target rifle, but I would like one in a sporter-weight rifle for carry purposes.

The 300 PRC is a 2.580" case, and fits fine in a 700 long action, same as it's parent 375 Ruger case. No belt, and a .532" body, and can be built on a 30-06 action with appropriate bolt, and feeds fine as well.


https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/300-PRC-Public-Introduction.pdf




Posted By: Coyote_Hunter Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18
Originally Posted by aalf
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
While I can see snipers and long range enthusiasts being interested in the ..300PRC, I don't see it gaining wide use as a hunting cartridge. The 3.7" length requires a heavier, magnum length action, so rebarreling .30-06-length rifles won't allow max COL cartridges to fit in the magazine, negating much of it's design advantage. In a similar weight rifle I calculate a.308" 212g bullet at 2850fps will have about 10% more recoil than my .338WM with a 225g bullet A 2750fps - which is to say not very comfortable to shoot.
For my carry purposes, a heavier rifle is not an option I'd consider lightly, if at all, in spite of the recoil reduction it would provide. Never mind the scope needed to take advantage of extreme ranges would add even more weight. I suspect the same is true for many - the .300WM will do what they need at a weight and recoil level they find acceptable.
What I'd like to see is a 6.5 based on the .375 Ruger and designed to fit a .30-06 length action. It wouldn't replace my 6.5-06AI as a target rifle, but I would like one in a sporter-weight rifle for carry purposes.

The 300 PRC is a 2.580" case, and fits fine in a 700 long action, same as it's parent 375 Ruger case. No belt, and a .532" body, and can be built on a 30-06 action with appropriate bolt, and feeds fine as well.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/300-PRC-Public-Introduction.pdf


MAX COL for the .300PRC is 3.700" per SAAMI. That is about a quarter inch too long for a Ruger .30-06 mag and, I suspect, for a variety of other .30-06 mag lengths as well.

Yes, you could use a shorter COL but you would lose part of the advantage of the .300PRC design advantage if using heavy (long) bullets.
Posted By: IceCut Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18


I think you need to do a bit more research on the .300PRC.......
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/22/18
I did and I am not impressed.
Posted By: 338rcm Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/23/18
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
I did and I am not impressed.




Well its no 460 Weatherby for sure!
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/23/18
Originally Posted by 338rcm
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
I did and I am not impressed.




Well its no 460 Weatherby for sure!

True. wink
Posted By: 338rcm Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/23/18
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Originally Posted by 338rcm
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
I did and I am not impressed.




Well its no 460 Weatherby for sure!

True. wink[/
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Originally Posted by 338rcm
[quote=elkhunternm]I did and I am not impressed.




Well its no 460 Weatherby for sure!

True. wink

I'll bet it would kill a wabbit
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: .300 PRC vs .300 Win - 12/23/18
I have heard that it will. smile
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