So, what ever happened a 223 Fieldcraft? Is it a go, or just hype.

It will be shipping in quarter one of 2019

What will the twist be?

1:7

should throw the 88 ELD like a champ!

22 inch barrel?

Short action or a micro action?

Micro action with a 2.436 mag length according to Tennessee's post in another thread....

We'll see how everything else lines up.

Damn!

That'll should be a keeper.

Might have to join my Montana...

They got the twist right. Hope everything else lines up.

Tennessee,

Any idea when the Micro in 6.5 Grendel (or 6.8 if You went that route) will be available?

Or is it not even on the drawing board yet?

Thanks,

Jerry

they said something about doing a 22lr also when they were introducing the fieldcraft platform....any info on that ?

If they do rimfires I may end up replacing every rifle in my safe with FC's

Sounds only like a dream though.

They are way past the drawing board. I hunted a 16" suppressed 6.8 exclusively last season.

Drooling!

Tennessee,

I'll need one of the 6.8's and a .22LR (if that's also true)...

Lets get going

Jerry

Good news,I been waiting for this rifle in 223 since they introduced them.1&7 twist will be great for 75gr pills.

This rifle would be perfect in 22lr with a ruger 10/22 like magazine.

6.5 grendel too?

Glad to see that the project is for sure a go. Looking forward to seeing what chamberings are available besides the obvious .223. And if anyone is reading and cares about my input, I'd prefer a Grendel to an SPC. Even better would be a 6mm or .22 Grendel rather than the 6.5; although I do understand the likelihood of chambering for a non-standard round being practically nil... unless Barrett wants to get with Hornady and popularize another necked-down version of a fairly recently popular cartridge, similar to the Creedmoor. And if I'm dreaming, the ultimate micro-action hunting rifle for my purposes(6mm legal minimum) and in my opinion, would be a Dasher of either the 6mm or 6.5mm variety.

Barrett should adopt/push both the 224 and 243 Grendels..in 7" each.

Hint...............

Only about 29 days left in Q1. I'm ready for my 223!!! Any updates? Is a 1-7" 223AI also on the drawing board??

A 1-7" Ackley would get my attention............in the meantime, I've got a NIB Montana (moss green) 223 coming. 1-9" Twist will work more than adequate for coyote calling.........afterall, I'm shooting 40-55gr bullets anyway.

A 223 AI with 1-7 would be outstanding.

BTT as a reminder

That would result in a lot of publicity for Barret and their rifle(s).




Ditto,

Jerry

I think I would rather have a .224 Creedmoor but a .243 Grendel wouldn't hurt my feelings in the Fieldcraft.

Bump

7" 224 Grendel for me.

Pass the 88's and hold the Fluff..............

First quarter will pass in a few hours, what's the scoop?

Would be nice to know what is coming.

TTT

Very interested in when/if this becomes available

I'll let you know when I'm looking to move one....

Chris Barrett replied to one of my IG posts and said 223 and 280AI are on the way.

A properly twisted 280AI would be the shiznitz.

Yeah 8 rpm would be nice

Thinking you’d end up disappointed with that...

You have experience with one, Jordan?

He's nitpicking the units you stated for the twist.

I'm basing my comment on my buddy's rig, he def likes his 8" 280ai
I'm happy with my 9" and 162's, haven't tried anything heavier

Oh come on, I’m just kidding around

It's not the 8, it's the rpm. An 8" twist at 3000 fps spins a bullet 270,000 rpm.

I was messing with you because 8 RPM and 1:8” twist are very different

I know.

Of course I never nitpick ...

More seriously, I’d certainly go 8” twist in any 7mm I rebarreled today.

I know, I know

Where...

On the way to where?

Jerry

Probably to dealers and distributors ....

2.436 mag length-better look before you leap

No considerations for throat geometry when new or down the road

Sounds like a great single shot in the making, may have to mill a 3/8" radius in the ejection port or remove the bolt to extract a loaded round

It'd make a killer 22 and 243 Grendel...but dat's it.

Hint.................

You dam skippy!!!

Why does every manufacturer insist on screwing this up?!

John

Cheer up,their LA's are a Goat Fhuqk too.

Hint.................

So close to perfection...... It will likely still be the best thing off the shelf, but it could have been more, just like the long actions.

It's a real shame about insisting on the micro action and closing the door on loading longer bullets. Especially since they hit a home run with the short actions.

What is the issue with the long action models?

Mag length. It's not a deal killer on the long actions as they are functional, but they would be perfection with a 700 mag box length, especially in rounds like the 280(AI). +/- on trade offs regarding weight, etc. I'd prefer a few oz's and more flexibility on OAL's but others may not.

The L/A's are EPIC Goat Fhuqks.

Hint.............

The goat said his stick is big.

Neveroutside,

Pardon facts,upsetting you so.

Hint............

Long actions should have a 4" mag box, the SA is good at 3", the micro should be about 2.6". They seem to be getting a lot of the twists right except the 30 cals should be 9 twist.

Why can no rifle manufacture get twist and mag box right? It's anoying as hell. It reminds me of all the years scope manufacturers did mil reticles with Moa knobs. Or crappy hold over reticals set to random distances based on one crappy factory round and no hash marks for windage.

Seriously, does anyone who works in this industry ever shoot or talk to people that do. Frustrates me to no end especially because I was a marketing director in a different industry for 14 years. You've got to have your ears open and listen to those at the for front of your industry.

Then you've got guys like hornady coming out with new things like the 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC and setting the standard length for those rounds just a bit longer than pretty much every action currently out there.

Even the 6.5 creedmoor missed things in a way. They boasted about its shorter length fitting better then made the freebore a long .199" so to kiss with a vld you needed about a 2.9" mag box when a 700 SA is about 2.83. Creedmoor should have had a standard freebore of about .120" but they were worried about pressure so they made their accuracy round so that most rifles will have to suffer a jump.

Seriously, if a company hired a marketing guy that really understood a few things they could dominate. I know the problem is most shooters don't really know crap either but a good marketer would build things right and then educate the masses as to why it's right.

Bb

"Micro action with a 2.436 mag length"

Not sure how I missed this. That may be a deal killer for a 223 AI or even for a 223 with bullet weights that the fast twist accommodates. 223AI with 75 Gr. Amax really needs at least 2.5" COL. It may be worth a try if the 2.4" COL allows you to reach lands.

Maybe they're thinking about one of the others long-term, like the .22 Grendel, Nosler, or Valkyrie.

Or, they want to optimize it for factory ammo, with just a bit of extra room, not the stuff a few persnickety shooters do. Everything's a compromise of sorts, especially for a 50year-old cartridge.

Right. I guess we'll see when we see. My understanding is that a 223 is planned from the get-go. Maybe the mag length will be better for others. Time will tell.

Not in the market, as I have a perfectly good .223 (and .30/06) like every good American should, but have something else if I ever want to go really long. Would like to see one though, even though that could be hazardous to my wallet.

They should have built the 223 FC on the current action, my Montana works slick as goose chit with a simple mag spacer in a 2.8" box...

ZING......

Dumbass move on Barrett's part.

Just in time for Kimber to discontinue the .223 Montucky.

Well, if I ever get a FC it'll be a short action in 6.5 or 7-08.

Very unfortunate.

I’m sure you are all right. I guess it depends on what you wanna do with it. The Fieldcrafts I’ve laid hands on and shot were all -around excellent guns.

I think the SA Fieldcrafts are gems. Not sure why they can't build a 223 and maybe a 223AI (and a 6x45) on a standard SA with a 223 boltface. That would sell like hotcakes if twisted right. And they have a history of twisting it right on the SA's.

Maybe the rumors are a sick joke......................

That would certainly work just fine since the SA is already light and handy enough for me, and it'd eliminate the mag issue.

Of course, they'd still have to throat it "right", and that's the question, because not everyone wants or needs long heavy bullets from a .223. Might be better to offer a bigger .22, say a Creedmoor, for those guys, and a more mainstream .223 for the rest of us.

The longer mag box cures most ills just with the flexibility it gives. There's not a need to throat it different for long bullets than they would for short bullets. I'm a fan of short throats for long or short bullets if I'm reloading.

I've been looking for the 22 CM on their standard short action and like that idea.

Akin to a Nuzzler Rifle.

Hint...…………………..

Tennessee, what’s the story? Is there a 223 or not? Mag length for the twist or not?

Berger 80g VLD average COAL to kiss in two rifles is 2.408”

Mag box is 2.436”

So with that bullet you can load to kiss with room to spare in the mag and even some to spare for future throat erosion.

I personally would not load to make contact with the bullet. When the chamber is precise and the throat is tight, I get great results with a little jump. Assuming the load has the best powder, density, primer to make consistent pressure and low velocity SD....

Cool

Ya'll act like Barrett hasn't built a rifle before..........laffin


Can't wait to see how these little gems shoot!

Amen... I don’t believe they will put out junk that no one wants...

When?

So where does it put things with the 88 grain ELD-M which actually needs the 1-7" twist?

Honest question, but I'll understand completely if you don't wanna answer.

You just don’t wanna everyone to see your meme or gif or whatever the fugk you posted here already. Haha

I don’t think anyone is suggesting an FC will be junk, but it’s not optimized.

From memory, I set the heel of a 75 Amax at the bottom of the neck and sent the dummy to PTG to make the reamer. The OAL started at 2.450 and is close to 2.470 now.

I don’t have 80, 88’s or any Berger’s, what is the OAL with those bullets seated with the heel of the bullet at the bottom of the neck.

And seated to the reported mag length less .050, will the ogive be below the neck?

I didnt try them. Did not have them to try.

The chamber is a 223 Wylde (we call it 5.56 Match) so maybe you can draw some conclusions on depth to throat lead with different bullets.

I accept that every conceivable combination that someone considers "ideal" may not be able to be achieved in a production rifle, but I think the rifle is great. I think it will be ideal for 99.5 percent of 223 shooters.

I grabbed a case of 5.56 pressure spec Mk26, zeroed and blasted away. Super impressed with the precision and the ability of that 77gr to connect at various ranges with decent terminal effect.

When can I buy one

RPM,throat geometry and COAL are THE heartbeat of a rifle.

Astonishing that they can knock so much out of the park and then Gost Fhuqk the easy schit....shame. The 77's aren't even on the same fhuqking Planet as a 88.

Hint.............

A 2.450" 75 'Max Square Smooch has always been a nice place to be,whether 223 or 223AI. I'll grab some 75/88 extrapolation pics here in a bit,after I finish buttoning rings up. Pains me to steal 10 MO/M)'s outta 'Horn's,but variable erector "latitude" mandates same.

Hint..................

Kinda running and gunning...should prolly set up my Lightbox Studio this evening,but you get the idea.

O/F R/P hull,with a 75 'Max above and 88 ELD below. 2.430",to allow a couple thousandths for grit/schit/weather. Hint.



I'm suplized nobody has mentioned how much better suited the receiver's trite COAL would be,in 22 BR or 224 Grendel?!?(grin)

224 Grendel is an 88 Smooch from Delta 88,fed ala ASC's. Hint.



I can grab 80gr Burger pics too.

Hint..................

80 Burger up top,75 'Max and 88 on bottom...if only obviously. Hint.



Burger 80 VLD BC's are shy of 75 ELD BC's to boot and the 5 "free" grains of mass,is free velocity. Win/win/win.

Hint...............

Thanks man, whats the length with the 88 seated to the bottom of the neck?

Were I forced to "speculate".(grin)



Hint...................

Back to Montucky shopping......

The FC would be killier in 224/243 Grendel or 224/243 BR...but missed the boat,in 223.

I always wanted to try a Montucky myself.

Hint..............(grin)

Might as well be a 1-8”

In fairness...the 7" RPM will help The Subsonic Crowd.

Hint............

How much velocity would the BR and Grendel make outta the 18" barrel with 88's?

Target was 1st qtr 2019. Target missed and no updates as of yet.

That is too damn bad on the 223.

Running 2,940 fps out of a 21" 1-7" 22br

Scotts94,

It's 1 1/2 months later, than when they "were on their way"

Was hoping they were pausing to retool the mag boxes, but per Tennessee's report above, it does not sound like it.

Jerry

That would leave a mark!

Aint seen one. Anyone?

I just picked up a second 6.5CM, this time in the #2 contour 24". Based on my 21" I expect this one to balance a little better and be easier to shoot offhand. The minimal weight gain will not be a negative in my eyes.

Would probably send my first down the road for a .223 or grendel if they release them in a configuration that catches my eye. Based on what just happened with the lipseys SA #2 offerings I will likely be a little more patient on the micro action game for that perfect combo.

So I talked to the guys at Barrett today. Had a long car ride. Felt like making some calls...

There will NOT be a 224 Val.

The .223 will be chambered in 5.56 and will be a 7 twist. Expect it end of this year, beginning of next. So not anytime soon.

Figured this thread could use an actual update.

Thanks for the update....been waiting around for a Grendel/SPC Barrett for abit now.

That's odd, when TN is test driving them....

Think Tennessee is test driving a 223.

Perhaps this and the 280 availability could be asked on the other thread started by “Barrett Fieldcraft” - but I wouldn’t hold my breath on a response.

Buy yourself a new Fieldcraft at Whittakers for Fathers Day .

They got their website sorted out it seems.

Not to be contrary, but that website is buggier than bat schhittt.

Its actually ahead of where it was a few weeks ago.

Laughing!

You are doing "GREAT"!

Hint................

Thank you

Maybe he can comment on the accuracy problems they are currently trying to work out...as told to me over the phone. That's the holdup as I was lead to believe.

Any news about Fieldcraft in 6.8 SPC? 6.5 Grendel?

If accuracy issues are holding them up....glad they are working it out before sending them to the masses.

RPM,Throat Geometry and COAL latitude...reliably aligns ALL.

Hint.....................

She has spoketh

Your cluelessness never wanes,in it's magnificent hilarity. Congratulations?!?

Hint....................

You have to live alone to be the smartest one in a room.

Trybone,

I'm as at ease in sandbagging,as you are in Whining about your very WELL founded Insecurities. Congratulations?!?

In fairness...I've never even seen a Fieldcraft.

Bless your heart.

LAUGHING!

Hint................

Does anyone know the twist on the upcoming 280 Ackley? Or when it will be available?

Magbox COAL,knocks it wayyyyyyyyyy outta the loop.

Hint.................

The twist on the 7mm-08 is an 8. That would be about perfect and should be easy for Barrett to do.

The 7-08 is RIGHT(as are all the .473" S/A offerings)...as it's throated in accords to the 8" and wears a fhuqking 3" box.

The Long Actions are Goat Fhuqks in comparison.

Hint....................

Stick,
Of your many posts the ones that have helped me the most are those with the caliper, brass, and bullets in question. Removes doubt as to seating depth and need mag length.
Pavementends

Yeah,her posts are very unhelpful usually.

It's nice to be afforded the luxuries,of not being forced to guess...if only to the chagrin of Window Lickers everywhere.

Hint...................(grin)

A) 8 twist
B) No. Was originally slated for first quarter.

A) Yes, 8 twist.
B) The 280 AI and .223's are delayed while they lengthen mag boxes (which requires the overall action be lengthened).
C) Don't believe every thing you read on the internet............

You'd think someone woulda mentioned 1-7" 224 and 243 Grendel desires.

Hint.................(grin)

Sooooo, what are the chances Barrett will chamber for the 22 Creedmoor?
Pipe dream given they offer the 22.250????

With the SAAMI stamp,all will chamber it.

Hint................

I think it will happen. I'll venture the 22-250 will cease for them and the CM will take off at a sprint.

I shoot 1-7" to 1-14" 22-250's(with a coupla RPM stops betwixt,along with High RPM 22-250AI's and 224 Kreedmire. The Kreedmire is easily the best mechanical design.

Hint...............

I think I’d limber my wallet up for one of them.

Could rechamber a 250 FC to 22 Creed

Or build on a Montucky wearing any spout you wish,for less.

Hint........................

I've considered that too

Nice to spec neck diameter(I'd go .258" for a couple thousandths Alpha clearance),throat geometry(I'm groovin' on .090") and RPM (8" will do Winter 88's at low tide). Due the rather modest COAL with 88's,the Montucky is a fantastic Donor and I prefer it's stock ergo's to Fieldcraft,by a goodly margin.

Start talking longer cases and projectiles of greater length and the Fieldcraft STEALS the show.

Hint..............

I am closer to chopping and threading my Lilja 223 Montana and passing on a FC...I know the Montana is a hammer.

I hear good thangs.

Hint............

Think they realized they were about to step on their own dicks and got off the throttle a little?

They got busy with a large contract, and some of the FC projects were put on the back burner for a bit.

Hopefully they’ll rethink their magazine length a bit and make it something useful.

John

Ive been playing with Kimbers lately .It will be interesting to see the (if much at all) difference when I pick up a FC again.

They don't need any R&D, use a .473 based rifle off the shelf and a new bolt...............KISS!

Kimber would be WELL served,to produce a 1-7" 224 Speedmire.

No COAL "issues",best stock in da' bidness and all the metal is right.

Hint...................

That'd be a nice one. What else would a guy really need?

How difficult can it be to tool up for a run of 223’s?

If I understood correctly, they were working on a smaller action for it....so a fair bit.

A mag box spacer, follower, lip bending, and a new bolt wouldn't be quite as big of an undertaking.....and gives them the option of leaving plenty of OAL.

This is what I'd MUCH rather have than a smaller action with mag constraints for the bullets it's twisted for. Ain't hard.

OOh....and an AI'd version.

Yeap... I agree 100%

Barrett, ya'll are listening, right???

A Fieldcraft in .223 with enough mag box and twist for the heavy bullets would be a huge hit around here for certain.

After the huge success of the Creedmoor you’d think a lightbulb would start to come on at least a little in regards to mag box lengths.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com...wins-50-million-ussocom-sniper-contract/

My bet is their margin is a bit higher on these than the Fieldcraft; I suspect their attention may be diverted for a while unfortunately. Hopefully not too long ...

No doubt Barrett is focusing on the 50M dollar contract, but I would think that a second crew could be added to handle the new contract and keep pumping out the Fieldcraft's and similar.

I certainly appreciate what they have brought to market, my 6C is badA$$ but I still wan't a 22 caliber based on the current .473 boltface, preferably a 223 but if this drags out, a 22-250 reamed to AI or 22C will do.

Might even grab a 6.5C just because I have not found anything I like better.

Patiently keeping an eye on this.

I called Barrett this morning, who I spoke to said the 280Ai project had been canceled. If that's accurate or not I have no clue, just going off what was told to me.