I’m referring to the old school equipment that we, our fathers and grandfathers used that the new generation of hunters wouldn’t be caught dead using. What got me thinking during this time of extreme boredom is my latest project. My uncle who is pushing 80 and now lives in California has given me his old Remington M700 .270. I have tore it down, cleaned it thoroughly and refinished the stock. When I got it in my hands I had to chuckle as the fond memories came rushing back. Growing up I hunted on a Pre NAFTA potato farm in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Once NAFTA went through the Canucks were selling grade A potatoes cheaper than the farmers could buy seed potatoes. Another story. At any rate we had deer densities of 75 per sq mile and my two uncles, dad and I were designated shooters. My uncle Frank and my Dad were the best shots with my uncle being a little better. And I inherited his infamous 270.
It was a 1980 vintage M700 BDL complete with the Monte Carlo wood stock, white spacers and iron sights. He topped it off with a 4x12 power Tasco (made in Japan at least) and a set of those goofy see through mounts. The trigger had been adjusted some and he had the receiver bedded with some clear epoxy. A laughable set up by today’s standards but back in the day I had witnessed some spectacular shots corner to corner across 40 acre fields that have left a lasting impression. He told me that he sighted it in for a quarter mile and he used the irons for everything under 100 yards. All he ever shot was 130 grain green box or my dad’s handloads using Speer 130 grain BTSP and a max load of IMR 4831. Nothing special but it worked. No range finders no kestrel no stainless steel or plastic stocks. Just damn good shooting and field experience. With all the gadgets and technology that’s in a basic Wal-Mart special it’s shocking how they got by back in the day.

Sounds like a great all purpose rifle. But I just can't do the see through rings.

I killed a Tom last Saturday with a big heavy Browning Auto 5. I started thinking about getting a Winchester 37. Would have killed just as good and a lot easier to carry.

I don't consider a scoped Remington 700 to really be old school nor do I drop my jaw in wonder at it's effectiveness.

Something like this? Different cartridge and scope but you get the point.

It has been I the woods every season since it was made sometime in late '70s or early '80s and will continue to see duty along with an '84 Model 700 in 270 that I acquired about a month ago. The 270 will probably see a gloss fixed 4x33mm Leupold.

The thread title made me think of this one, not so much the rifles discussed above

I'm thinking "old school" as Springfield 1898s and Winchester 97s.

Getting denigrated by equipment snobs does not make an effective rifle "junk".

I inherited a Parker VHE 12 ga with 2 sets o barrels from my grandfather. I think it meets the definition of old school shotgun. My son didn't seem to mind when I gave it to him for graduation from college even though it wasn't gas operated, didn't have a plastic stock and barrels with interchangeable choke tubes.

I like to hunt with old school stuff myself. My go to rifle is one I looked for many years. It is a Mexican Mauser in 7mm Mauser that has been converted to a sporter. Compared to todays rifles, it is heavy, long, not chambered for the 6.5 Creedmoor, only holds 5 shots and doesn't shed water like a duck. I still like it because I know where the first shot is going and to me at least, it doesn't look bad. I'm pretty old school myself and that style suits me...

Mathsr I tried to save your picture just now and my phone said it already had it saved. Guess I still like your rifle style

Yeah, the thread title is a little misleading. Not too much old school about a 1980's remington 700, but carry on. Good story nonetheless... Especially the see thru rings. Who here can't say they have never tried those? I'm sure they worked just fine for the op's uncle...

One of my favorite small game shotguns is an old Iver Johnson 20 gauge single shot that probably wouldn't bring 75 dollars at a pawn shop or flea market.

I think it probably qualifies as old, effective junk.

I have a couple of those made in Japan Tascos and they are actually very good scopes. No see through mounts for me though.

I am proud to say I have never owned or used see through mounts.

Another item that used to be pretty common place but has become rare is the shooting sling. You used to see the military 1907 style pretty often, now it’s either some kind of neoprene cobra or my favorite, the padded leather cobra with an inscription of a deer, your initials and 2 cartridge holders.

Thank you! I wish I had taken a before and after picture of that one. It was a Bubba special I took a chance on and my brother saved it from a real mess. It has been a long time since he worked for Frank Pachmayr, but he still has some skills and, to me, knows what a rifle is supposed to look like...

My two oldest rifles are my Krag sporter made in 1900 and my Savage 99EG made in 1952. 120 and 68 years old. They're old school, effective, but not junk. There are some people on here that have some beautiful old rifles that still get out. Hope they see this and put them up. Mathsr 7mm Mauser is one of them.


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That Krag is lovely.

That sure is a beautiful Krag. I also like the sights on it.. Very nicely done..

That Krag is some serious old school cool...Like a Lee Speed Enfield only better.

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This rifle is responsible for perhaps half of the total number of deer I've killed.

1980's old school? Ok. Nice rifle, even nicer story.

I too have never owned or used a pair of see through rings. I haven't used a scope for hunting since....at least 1995.

My "old school" shotgun is an 1850's Manton, 16 bore...or one of my pre-WWI drillings or pre-1891-93 German proof law combination guns.. My latest "old school" rifle is a pre-WWI Vierordt double rifle that's been re-chambered to 8 X 65R Brenneke. Come to think of it, except for reproduction Shiloh Sharps or other reproduction black powder firearms, none of my centerfire rifles are newer than1938. I'm pretty sure they could qualify as old school. None of my rifles wear a scope. They're all old but far from junk and all are every bit as effective for whitetails as any cartridge that's come out since 1950.

Is an early 50's FN Mauser 30-06 old school?

My rifle is so old, it was made before rifles were invented. 😊

Heck I’d say anything with a wood stock is old school😄....I started out with a Remington 700ADL in the 70’s - that was 45 years ago and yea that’s old school in my book - now there is of course “older school” like a Marlin 1895 in .40-65 made in 1897 that gets out at least once a year😉.

Enjoy and thanks for sharing a great story with that rifle - he’d be proud that you taking care of and hunting with it!

PennDog

p.s. SS336 that really is a nice Krag!

1956 Steyr MC 7x57.


Custom M98 243 heavy barrel


Savage 99 300 Sav


Win M12 12ga 30" Full


1950's M37 Ithaca 16ga

Have always admired the lines of a BDL since I was a kid. Have picked up a few NIB from the 70's the past few years.

Shot a lot of trap in the 90's with a Rem M31, FC from the 30's.

Prettiest Krag I can recall seeing.

For danged sure.

Thanks for the kind words on my Krag. I'm sure there's a lot of gentleman here who have nice old rifles they could post. I know I would like to see them. Kind of like a virtual gunshow.

Just for the heck of it, my brother takes a limit of doves about every year with a Model 12 Winchester, made in 12 or 13.

I still have the first big game rifle I got 57 years ago. It is a #4 Mk1 Lee Enfield sporter as offered by Parker Hale. I have rebarrelled it twice but it has killed more game for me than all of my other rifles put together. It accounted for my second longest kill (about 350 yards) and some of my most impressive shots on coyotes. It has won me turkey's at turkey shoots. Most of my rifles are old rifles or based on old rifles. Some really are kind of junky. A rifle I carry a lot is a No1 Lee Enfield with a beautifully crafted pine extension on the butt, an ugly fore arm, no safety, and iron sights. It has killed deer, bear, and coyotes and is my go to hiking gun in grizzly country. With ten heavy loaded 215's in the mag, I feel pretty confident.
I carry my Dad's old Kinfolks knife and hatchet and carry ammo in the leather cartridge box on the belt. Rifles all have slings which are used as shooting slings. On some hunts, I still wear wool; top and bottom.
My most modern hunting rifle is a tang safety Ruger in a glass stock. The only other glass stock is on a Winchester Model 54. The other stocks are mostly old home-made stuff.
So, you can see, most of my gear is old junk and I like it! GD

My wood stocked 700 BDL in 7 mag is one of my favorite rifles

What is your best load for the Krag? Is it an original barrel?

My Father is 71 years old. He’s not in the best of shape after spending 50 years of his life as a carpenter. He’s always been a nonchalant outdoorsman. He likes fishing, loves hunting, completely enjoys being in the outdoors. However, he was never “well off” and never had all of the latest and greatest like most of us do. ( He raised me to love the same but I am all in, completely infatuated, and I never stop with trying to improve.)

My dads first hunting rifle was a sporterized .303 that was loaned to him. Later in life my mom saved enough to buy him a Savage 340 .30-30 as an anniversary gift. He killed everything with that gun. (It became my first and I still have it.) Through the years my dad saved enough to buy a Winchester 94 .30-30 which my mother hunted with for many years. Then he purchased an Interarms Mark X .30-06. This has been his rifle ever since.

One of the funniest things is that my Father has long had a Remington 1100 12ga. He had it cut down and a poly-choke installed. It is the only shotgun I have ever seen him shoot and he does not miss.

I now belong to a hunting club in suburban Philadelphia where we kill many deer. The gun hunting is by drives with 00 buck only. All of the younger guys always ask, “what the heck is that thing on your dads barrel?” I always say, “it’s a poly-choke”. They say, “huh?”

He drops birds and bucks (as well as doe) with that short barrel 1100 and poly-choke.

Took a nearly 70 year old Remington 721 in .222 to the range today. Gun is in excellent shape, and it shot that way!

LeroyBeans...Yes, it's the original barrel. The bore is pretty good. It shoots 180 Nosler BT's with 45grs of IMR4350,, at or just under, 2" for three shots at 100 yards. with iron sights that is more than I can ask for. It also shots Winchester factory 180gr ammo pretty well. Occasionally it will shoot a magic group like this.
Doesn't like cast bullets very much, bore might be a little rough for them.

Very nice indeed. Mine does not like cast very much either. I need to try some factory. Mine has a barrel sight and an aperture rear sight Thanks for the note.

Love that Krag.

not a gun, but I have one thing that I think is pretty cool and definitely old school hunting..
when I started College, a friends mom had been raised on the UP of Michigan...I thought you being from Michigan there Brinky
you'd have a mild interest in it...her dad made his living as a logger on the UP... and his times not working, in the dead of winter
he would make his living, hunting game and selling the meat...

This was in the teens and the 20s.. it was a red heavy wool plaid jacket, t was bought new right around 1900..
she had it in the closet, and when her son graduated high school, she asked him if he wanted it..
he didn't want near it... so she eventually asked me if I would like it.. I said hell yeah.. I loved the history on it..
her son thought thing looked stupid...

Still have that coat.. got it in 1970... when it was about 70 years old then...it has a big area on its back side.. that is part of the coat
a compartment to put small game... a button on each side, but its from the shoulder blades down to the belt line.. when I got it, It still had old dried blood in it.. and smelled like it.. I had it dry cleaned...

use to wear it under my orange cover jacket, when I hunted northern MN back in the 80s.. thick wool, and it sure was warm...

I always have several "loaners". These are old school rifles that are generally CRF, accurate with a fixed old school scope. Some just are inexpensive but they do go out when they need a gun that is minute of moose accurate, heavy so that they don't kick and just say something. I also have one set up for a-holes.
This old Husky Hipower in 30/06 with weaver K4 was the one that my dad hunted for the last five years of his life.

This 1917 Enfield is a nice sporter in 25/06 built by Glen Gregory. He ran a trading post in Tanana and would build rifles for his close friends. I bought this at the Bill Stoecker auction for 250.00. It isn't checkered and weighs about 10 lbs but it points nice and would be a very nice rifle for somebody who is recoil sensitive.

These two Brownings are also loaners. On the right, I bought the Browning Hi Power FN 30/06 (1958 manufacture) for $250.00. It is the a-hole rifle. The Stryker scope has zero eye relief and Browning kick. On the left is an Abort with a Redfield Revolution scope in 30/06 that I bought for $300.00 about two weeks ago.


I have other loaners but these are definitely old school with the exception of the Abort.

This is the mule eared Gun Room guard, ticked off I took some rifles out.

Perhaps a curious perspective but the first CF rifle I shot was a M1 Carbine when the design was less than 25 years old. The first CF platform used a lot was the M16. That design is is pushing 60 years old. So, what’s old school? It doesn’t matter. Only thing that does matter is whether or not one can hit the target, whatever and wherever it is.

My flintlock still works.

I have an old 38-40 I’ve killed a couple of pigs and a doe with it. It was made in 1884. Is that old enough?

Toby comes to mind!

I guess my Marlin 60 is old school. It is not the best design, and compared to the whole array of options in .22 lr, it's probably considered junk by a lot of people. I like not having to keep track of magazines, but I don't like having my hand in front of the muzzle while loading. It was the first gun I ever bought, and if I was doing it all over again I'd get a 10/22 instead. Still, the Marlin is fun to shoot and I can kill stuff with it, so I guess it's effective.

Killed a bunch of stuff in Africa with a 50’s steyr 30-06 with the butter knife style bolt.

The PH reckoned it had killed about 1000 animals since he got it graduating high school in Rhodesia from his father.

The cz I had to use afterwards was completely rubbish in comparison.

I don't have it but my deceased FIL had a Arisaka actioned rifle in 300 Savage. He said they used Springfield take off barrels, cut and rethreaded the barrel and chambered to .300 Savage. It was in some kind of stock. maybe Richards Micro Fit since we are in SoCal. My FIL killed a lot of deat with that rifle. His initial investment was $3. I also have my wifes aunt and uncles rifles. One is in a cut down military stock and one is in a hammered aftermarket stock. .257 Roberts built about the same way. I don't know what barrels they are but they killed a lot of deer with those guns too.I'd ber I could get more money for the all steel Lyman sights alone than the rifles.

Neither are real old, but old school.
The action in my 30TK dates to 1948, and the ammo to 1895.
The 39M to 1891, about 90 years before my rifle was built. It fires 22 shorts introduced in 1857. Although the more powerful long rifle only dates to 1884. I like to shoot Vipers, which I believe have been around a few years themselves. Hits hard without blowing up. HV shorts and CB caps too.

There's a sporterized 03a3 30-06 with polished receiver, jeweled bolt, weatherby-esque stock, and green barrel in the family, that maybe I'll trade into some day. Think it should be effective on big hogs at a distance.

1916 Spanish 93 Mauser. Now a 257 Roberts. Shoots like a dream.

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Tom,

Some years ago I had one in 270 Win and it shot crazy well and I liked its simplicity. I traded it for a mint OM 4 5/8" Ruger 45 Colt BH that I still own.

Great collection you have there!

Thanks DS. Like one of my tag lines says, hunting with wore out guns before it was trendy! 😁.

Ok I know its not a rifle, but it’s my nightstand gun and it is still effective even tho it was made in 1921!

My grandfather was a Fudd to some here.

He hunted with a Marlin 36 in 30-30. Open sights, no sling, reload was a
curse word. As long as his compatriots lived, I would here about the shots
across a 10 acre field. He smoked Pall Malls, and carried pine knots to
build a fire if he got cold. Hunting clothing was work clothes and his brown small game vest.

That Marlin and Mossberg 22 killed a pile of deer, feeding a couple families
over several decade. Not a couple steaks to brag about venison. Deer meat
was a major protein source.

I have the 22, my Daughters love to shoot it, and hear about "Your Pap".
if I could get that Marlin, it would be my most valuable rifle.

Along the same story of old hunting coats I have a pair of Woolrich red plaid hunting pants from my grandfather which has the lace on the pants legs below the knee for the
16 in or 18 inch laced up hunting boots so common for the period. The hunting pants came with his old Savage 99....

Winchester Extra Lightweight, 45-70, circa 1910

Granddad hunted small game most of his life, but only hunted big game twice. The first time was Missouri whitetail at age 84. He used Uncle's .270 to drop his deer. The second and last time was also with Uncle's .270. He said it was "too much work" and gave it up. He was 87 at the time.

Granddad taught my brothers and I how to shoot. I grew up shooting his Remington Model 24 and loved it. (It is a JMB design. Granddad purchased it in the early 1930's for about $20. The forearm is a custom he had made, never knew why.) Figured I would not live long enough to inherit the Remington so my first big purchase when I got out of the Service was a Browning of the same design. My girls grew up shooting it. I inherited the rifle in 2014, three years after Granddad passed away at age 100.

The High Standard Model C (center-right) was also something I shot a lot as a kid - every chance I got, which I didn't think was often enough. It was Granddad's tractor gun. He used it to shoot critters burrowing into the dirt on the sides of the creek that ran through his farm. The pistol was purchased around 1948 for about $20.

Not much is known about the High Standard Sport King-M (lower right) other than that model was only manufactured from 1977 to 1983. Granddad had been off the farm for years by then.

All three firearms still shoot - and do so very well. Someday they will be passed down to my daughters or grandkids.

The Browning Buckmark (lower left) was something Browning sent me when they could not fix my Challenger. I paid $50 to have the Challenger fixed. Nice fix!

Nice collection of old guns. Can you tell me the difference between a Rem 24 and a Rem 241? They look to be the same, but it's hard say from just a photo. The Rem 241 is considerably bigger than the Browning gun, but it too wears the Browning patent.

Kaywoodie, like that bolt action rifle at the top with the pig. Beautiful rifle, can you tell us more about it.

"Old school guns" are the ones that interest me the most. I do have some interest in ARs, AKs, and I own one Mossberg MVP in 308, but by far most of my rifles date from the 1940s and backwards.
96 and 98 Mausers, Remington M81, Savage 99, Mannlicher 1903, and Winchester 1895s all tickle me.

Last season I used old school guns to hunt all my game and filled 6 of my 7 tags. In fact all 6 kills were made over iron sights.

In fact the REAL OLD SCHOOL guns I like fire the powder with pieces of rock.

LeroyBeans -

The 241 has a different method for adjusting the barrel-to-receiver fit and is generally built a bit heavier. It replaced the Model 24 in 1935.

Both are based on the Browning SA-22.

Thanks. I googled up some more pictures of the 24 and saw it had a different takedown method. They are great guns, and far undervalued. Often under $200 at a gunshow in decent condition or better.

Seems like were running out of old guys like me who remember the stories their dads told them about qualifying with the 03 and the Garand, the memories stuck to a point I about can't walk by a 03 that someone bubba'ed in the 50-60's. Don't cost much but when I shoot them I remember the long line I come from. MB

The rifle on the bottom is a 30/30 Marlin 1893 from 1899. It accounted for three caribou and 1 moose when I was in high school. I also shot a wolf and several snowy owls that were bent on killing chickens. It is the epitome of old school.

You can't kill a caribou, let alone two and a moose to boot, with a 30-30! What were you thinking!?

Kaywoodie,
You have a great collection! Love those 1895s and the old Remington auto loader. Great stuff!

I still have two M1 Garands that I have restored. One from 11/43 and one from 3/42.
I keep hoping that PA will allow semis for deer hunting as I just want to hunt with one of them.

In the mean time, I still have my 1880 Springfield Trapdoor carbine, the Winchester 1886 (1910), and a Sharps conversion carbine (1863) in 50-70

Mine is a twin. The finish was a bit worn and getting yellow so now it’s hand rubbed oil finish and I took the liberty to remove and tuck away the white spacers. Topped it with some Talley mediums and a Leupold 3X9 I had laying around. I loaded up some 130 And 150 Hornady interlock FB’s and she bug holes both at 100 yards with ridiculous ease. I think I’ll be OK with the boring old 270 in a wood stock. It’s not a Creedmoor or PRC but I think I’ll do alright 😀

I think those "see-through" mounts were sold exclusivley in da UP Eh?

Ha. I’ve seen them used effectively but not for me. Mine will wear a low to medium mount always. The low end variables at 2x or 3x will do.

Changing hears how about a Woolrich coat and pants made in the 30's an uncle Henry trapper pocket knife and still cutting the tarssel glands off your buck threading a leather shoelace through them then freezing them to out then on your boots next season.

I have a '63 Remington 760 in .35 rem w an m8 4x.
Like it just fine.

Have yet to try out the '67 Ruger #1 ( just got ).

I do have a new Steyr Prohunter.

Hell it dont matter. Put the bullet through your critters lungs and call it good enough.

Dont have a 6.5 creed or a Glock.
Kinda like being different.

The rifles in the op arent "old school". Yours is and its cool.

Get back to us when you shoot some late 1920s projectiles using open sights or an early Redfield 4X. The gun is far from being the weak link.

Very nice

Had a '99 from '35.
Would get another if lighter

I have 3 rifles that were designed and made after about 1965. ALL others are "old school" with a few being flintlocks and yes, they kill game just fine.

I've killed a couple truck loads of deer and other game with an iron sighted pre 64 model 94 .30-30 and an old JC Higgins 16 gauge side by side. That said I don't think it matters so much when a gun was made that makes it "old school" as what it is. For instance, I personally think a modern repro of a '73 Winchester is more "old school" than a scoped, walnut stocked Remington 700, regardless of date of manufacture.

My old gun is a Winchester Model 94 made in 1940 in 32 special. Going to take it out into the deer woods again this year.

Yes I'd agree with blackheart. Old school means the approximate era of the design of the gun.
Old just means old.

In my safe I have one gun I put together from an action made in 1900 A Lee Speed copy. Here it is before I did any finish work on it
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I also have 2 flintlocks one of which is of a style made in about 1755 but I made the gun in 1995. here is what that one looks like.
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The flintlock is of an older "school" even though it's 95 years younger then the action of the 303. But the action of the 303 is way older.

I guess most of my choices in rifles would be considered Old School to some. For the deer and black bear hunting that I do, one of my Winchester model 94’s with a peep would handle most of it well.

I love the way they handle, and simplicity is a joy.

How about an 'old school' hunt with a modern replica of an old rifle, cast bullets and black powder? One of my more memorable hunts - spent half a day trying to get close enough for the shot...

Walking up to a blood puddle and legs in the air after the smoke cleared



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Effective junk (45-70 Ballard #4 Perfection, Cody WY)



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Nothing I hate more than those rings......Well maybe Glocks but......

That’s awesome!

Show off! (Grins.)

A pre-WW1 Erfurt 8X57.

I did a lot of my early deer hunting with Winchester M94 and cast bullets. A saddle ring carbine made in 1911 based on the serial number. I guess that was about as old school as one could get. I still take it to the range once in a while and enjoy shooting it with cast bullets.

Most of my hunting now is usually done with something based on the 1898 Mauser. After, even if it was made yesterday the design is still from 1898. Current toys are an FN Mauser custom in 7x57 built to simulate one of the pre-war German sporters and is still a work in progress to some degree. I'm thinking of going with a double set trigger to finish it off although it works just fine with the Timney trigger it now has.

The other is an Oberndorf Mauser .35 Whelen that has "Big Red" 1935 engraved on the floor plate. Dunno if that was to commemorate someone or if that was when the rifle was built. Nice classic stock with the forearm tip and grip cap in elephant ivory.

Paul B.

Stevens .22 (single shot) Stevens 20ga ( single shot) sold to buy a Stevens 12 ga "3 inch ( single shot kicker from hell!) Was given an H&R Topper 30-30, another kicker. Traded it for a JC Higgens 16ga double with the nylon swirly stocks ( it would not pattern buckshot, but with #6s it would peel a squirrel out of a 90ft pine!) I bought a Model 11-48 as my first auto in 1967...it kicked sooo bad. But I wanted a rifle! I traded a saddle for a Universal M1 Carbine jammomatic. POC. Traded it for a different saddle. I was given a pristine issued Model 1917 30-06 with its military irons that shot the WW 180 Silvertips 17" high. I had no way to adjust the sights. (Later had it sporterized and set in an old Bishop wood stock) But it shot the bandolier of 180 Armor Piercers my uncle gave with it spot on at 50 yds. Killed turtles/trash but no deer hunting with it. I finally bought a Mod 94 Classic Carbine 30-30 with beautiful wood/blue as my first "really nice CF". My friends "fought" surplus enfields, "eyetalain Carcanos", Mod 95/96 (never saw a Mod 98) Mausers, we were all poor. A Browning Auto Five in 3" Magnum 12ga, 30-32" Full Choke was considered the Ne Plus Ultra for running deer with dogs. (only saw 2) Only people with money had the Sears knockoffs and Mod 94 Winchesters. Same with Mod 742s. Single shot shotguns, from .410 (squirrels/rabbits) to 12ga magnum were cheap, sturdy and worked...on everything in East Tx. You just had to hunt them were the shots would be in range. You could "ring a shell" of squirrel shot and kill the biggest wild Brahma Bull with it! I saw only one Mod 340 Western Field knockoff of the Savage. But everyone "knew" you needed a levergun or semi auto if "you were a real deer hunter"! ha So, I do not care "at all" for these new "Bargain" rifles made from stampings/plastic, etc. I don't care it they shoot well or not, I don't trust them to hold together ( seen more than one Savage M110 bolt fall apart)

Since 1973 every head of big game I have ever harvested has been taken with 1950's vintage Winchester M/70's. Last season it was my 1953 vintage .30-06 FW that did the honors. Prior to the M/70's it was a pre'64 M/88 .308, took my biggest buck ever with that rifle. For many seasons I wore traditional Woolrich parka and pants and L.L. Bean boots.