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Posted By: JamesJr I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/14/19
I realize that some shooters like to shoot heavy bullets in their 223's and 22-250's, but for my use, I prefer those light weight bullets pushed as fast as I can. Every 22-250 I've ever owned has shot these 40 grain BT's very accurately, and my current one, a Remington Model 7 Predator is no different. It loves this load, which is 39.5 Varget and in this case, a Nosler BT. In other rifles, the 40 grain VMax has been just as accurate, and shot to same POI as did the Nosler.

I don't save fur, but this is the most fur friendly load I've ever used. Shot on this coyote was at 200 yards, and I couldn't even find an entry hole, let alone an exit one.[Linked Image]
Posted By: drover Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/14/19
My favorite varmint bullet, my experience using them on coyotes has been exactly as shown in your post. But they also do a great job of exploding ground squirrels and PD's.

drover
Posted By: gunner500 Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/14/19
Originally Posted by drover
My favorite varmint bullet, my experience using them on coyotes has been exactly as shown in your post. But they also do a great job of exploding ground squirrels and PD's.

drover


Shoot a crow with one from a Swift, when you walk over all you'll find is a beek and some feet. smile
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/14/19
Used a 40 grain Nosler Varmageddon on this coyote at about 65 yards from my .22/6mm 2-3 years ago.
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Posted By: erich Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/14/19
The Varmageddon is a completely different bullet than the Ballistic Tip. Thinner jacket, not a heavy copper solid base and a bigger cavity under the tip, a much more explosive bullet than the BT. Quite often when you hit the edges you'll get blow outs like that. I shoot the 40gr NBT out of my 22-204 at near 4000 fps and it has been a solid performer pelt hunting coyotes. They are pretty accurate also, I shoot them out of my varmint/target 222 Rem rifle also.

That would have been a very nice pelt.
Posted By: Redhill Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/14/19
I use the 40g NBT in a .223 Rem 700 Varmint rig and love the accuracy with them and do also push them out fast at 3900fps. The same load in my AR leaves the barrel at 3600fps.

That 40g NBT is a super hunting bullet with that thick base and noting that Nosler rates the velocity on this bullet as unlimited is a thought provoker. I love the accuracy I get in both shooters as this NBT replace the Sierra 53g HPBT for my reloading and that Sierra used to be considered an accurate bullet.
Posted By: Redhill Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/14/19
I use the 40g NBT in a .223 Rem 700 Varmint rig and love the accuracy with them and do also push them out fast at 3900fps. The same load in my AR leaves the barrel at 3600fps.

That 40g NBT is a super hunting bullet with that thick base and noting that Nosler rates the velocity on this bullet as unlimited is a thought provoker. I love the accuracy I get in both shooters as this NBT replace the Sierra 53g HPBT for my reloading and that Sierra used to be considered an accurate bullet.

Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Used a 40 grain Nosler Varmageddon on this coyote at about 65 yards from my .22/6mm 2-3 years ago.
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(JOKE) Did you have to track him very far ??? (JOKE)
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/15/19
RedHill... grin

Erich and RedHill,that little 40 grain Varmageddon is scottin' along at 4400 fps from a 26" barrel.

The coyote in the above pic was looking at me when I killed it. Was kind of surprised when I seen the damage.

Killed this coyote at 30 yards (IIRC) using a 55 grain NBT at 4000 fps. It was hit in the shoulder as you can see in the picture.

Entrance...
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Posted By: Sheister Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/15/19
I shoot the 40BT's in my 22-250 and my 223 AI - a result of having standard 12 twist Remington barrels and some experimenting when reloading. Both of these is over 4000 fps and the accuracy is superb in both my rifles. I've had just about the same results as shown here on dogs with them, but crows and squirrels is another world altogether. Usually, there are just bits and pieces left with the crows and squirrels and the cloud of crow feathers usually doesn't clear for 5 minutes it seems like.... Think I'm going to go out next week and try a few more of them out on some coyotes and crows...
Posted By: tmax264 Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/15/19
I shoot 40gr NBTs over 41gr of H380 for 4012 fps in my Remington 700 in 22-250. Best group I ever shot was 5 holes covered with a dime.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/16/19
Had a cow down calving not one hour ago, calf was still sacked and lying on the grass, saw better than a dozen buzzards hopping all around the baby and mother, I hollered and clapped my hands so hard together they were on fire, creeks up so I couldn't drive over to run them off, didn't have that kind of time to spare anyway, have had the eyes plucked out of live baby calves by buzzards, threw my bow field tip target across the bbq grill and sent one to that big gut pile in the sky at 236 yards with a 55gr ballistic tip leaving my 22-250 at 3800 fps.

They got the message and faded outta sight at what must have been two miles through my bino flying east along the mountainside, good, and don't come back, I have a lot more mamas that'll be dropping babies over the next month or so.
Posted By: Sheister Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/16/19
Try Varget in your 22-250's. Very fast and very accurate in my rifles...
Posted By: gunner500 Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/16/19
10-4, CFE-223 is no slouch either. smile
Posted By: keith Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/27/19
I have killed a LOT of coyotes.

the thrill of shooting a fast bullet fades fast as yardage approaches 250-300 and beyond. These light bullets bleed off velocity very, very fast. A hit behind the diaphragm, you will never find the coyote.

For example, At 275 yards, MV of 3850 fps, a p. dog will just fall over.

So, I make mine 55g Nosler ballistic tips, great penetration on coming and going shots, break shoulders and hips, keep on penetrating.

You will loose coyotes with the 40's, but the Nosler is the best of them all.
Posted By: 603Country Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/28/19
I use the 40 gr Nosler BTs in my 223, over a hot load of H335. It drops coyotes like a rock. In the 220 I still use the 55 gr BTs.

The first coyote I shot with the 223 and that little bullet went down so fast that I thought I had missed. Same with most of them. My thinking is that all the energy must be transferred to the coyote at impact, and not to trees on the other side of the coyote.
Posted By: deflave Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/28/19
Originally Posted by keith
I have killed a LOT of coyotes.

the thrill of shooting a fast bullet fades fast as yardage approaches 250-300 and beyond. These light bullets bleed off velocity very, very fast. A hit behind the diaphragm, you will never find the coyote.

For example, At 275 yards, MV of 3850 fps, a p. dog will just fall over.

So, I make mine 55g Nosler ballistic tips, great penetration on coming and going shots, break shoulders and hips, keep on penetrating.

You will loose coyotes with the 40's, but the Nosler is the best of them all.


Schit's gettin' pretty deep, pretty quick on here.
Posted By: Sheister Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/28/19
I've always found the 40's to be pretty fragile, but never worried about them taking down a coyote or anything smaller out to fairly extended ranges. Not buying the argument that they lose so much energy at 400 yards they won't take down a coyote cleanly. I've done it enough to know that's nonsense.

Now, I've shot rock chucks also with the 40's and the hole they put in them could accurately be described as "softball sized'. I've also found that if the bullet hits a stout blade of grass or branch it will disintegrate before reaching the target. On one chuck I shot it was sitting on a rock sunning itself about 250 yards away. The majority of the rock was sloped up and behind the chuck when I shot. The chuck never moved and when I went to check on it, the head was mostly gone, but the bullet fragments were all over the rock behind it and the pieces looked like little pieces of brass about the size of ground pepper. I've had this happen several times since so I know pushing them hard enough makes them extremely explosive. Once they slow down they still work fine and will easily take down coyotes for very long ranges. IIRC, the longest dog I ever took with my 22-250 was around 700 yards and my 223AI was pretty close to that.... they went down like hit with a hammer....

Bob
Posted By: Fireball2 Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/28/19
I've shot 40 NBT in my Fireball for forever and killed alot of coyotes with it. Kerplunk, drt.
Posted By: TheKid Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/29/19
Heck I killed a deer and about 15 pigs with 40gr Varmeggedons out my old 16” AR. Put one in the slats and they go right down. I even shot shoulders on a few pigs just to see what would happen, they all dropped and paddled is what happened. No huge ones, biggest was probably #250 or so.
Posted By: mark shubert Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/29/19
I MUCH prefer 40 gr BT's






In my 204 !
Posted By: VarmintGuy Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/29/19
JamesJr: I shoot way more Colony Varmints (Prairie Dogs, Ground Squirrels and Rock Chucks) with the wonderful Nosler 40 grain Ballistic Tips than I do predators.
I am always impressed with their accuracy and lethality on everything from Ground Squirrels to Badgers to Coyotes.
I use these bullets in several of my Varmint Rifles including those in 221 Remington Fireball, 222 Remington, 223 Remington and one of my 22-250 Remingtons.
They are expensive but they perform so well, I pay for them.
My main reason for posting though is to commend you on the cool Rifle (Model 7 Remington) and the great picture of it!
Thanks for sharing.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Posted By: shrapnel Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/29/19
Originally Posted by keith
I have killed a LOT of coyotes.

the thrill of shooting a fast bullet fades fast as yardage approaches 250-300 and beyond. These light bullets bleed off velocity very, very fast. A hit behind the diaphragm, you will never find the coyote.

For example, At 275 yards, MV of 3850 fps, a p. dog will just fall over.

So, I make mine 55g Nosler ballistic tips, great penetration on coming and going shots, break shoulders and hips, keep on penetrating.

You will loose coyotes with the 40's, but the Nosler is the best of them all.



You might try seating those bullets with the pointed end toward the front. I live in the middle of varmint heaven and shoot thousands of rounds a year. The 40 grain BT or V-Max is the best thing to come along in varmint shooting.

If they didn't work, I wouldn't use them...

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Posted By: Sheister Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/29/19
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by keith
I have killed a LOT of coyotes.

the thrill of shooting a fast bullet fades fast as yardage approaches 250-300 and beyond. These light bullets bleed off velocity very, very fast. A hit behind the diaphragm, you will never find the coyote.

For example, At 275 yards, MV of 3850 fps, a p. dog will just fall over.

So, I make mine 55g Nosler ballistic tips, great penetration on coming and going shots, break shoulders and hips, keep on penetrating.

You will loose coyotes with the 40's, but the Nosler is the best of them all.



You might try seating those bullets with the pointed end toward the front. I live in the middle of varmint heaven and shoot thousands of rounds a year. The 40 grain BT or V-Max is the best thing to come along in varmint shooting.

If they didn't work, I wouldn't use them...

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So, you're the reason Nosler is always out of stock on those when I need them? wink I thought I had a good supply until I saw how you have them hoarded.... smile

Bob
Posted By: Seafire Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/29/19
Originally Posted by Sheister
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by keith
I have killed a LOT of coyotes.

the thrill of shooting a fast bullet fades fast as yardage approaches 250-300 and beyond. These light bullets bleed off velocity very, very fast. A hit behind the diaphragm, you will never find the coyote.

For example, At 275 yards, MV of 3850 fps, a p. dog will just fall over.

So, I make mine 55g Nosler ballistic tips, great penetration on coming and going shots, break shoulders and hips, keep on penetrating.

You will loose coyotes with the 40's, but the Nosler is the best of them all.



You might try seating those bullets with the pointed end toward the front. I live in the middle of varmint heaven and shoot thousands of rounds a year. The 40 grain BT or V-Max is the best thing to come along in varmint shooting.

If they didn't work, I wouldn't use them...

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So, you're the reason Nosler is always out of stock on those when I need them? wink I thought I had a good supply until I saw how you have them hoarded.... smile

Bob


Shrap is just Nosler's and Hornady's major shareholder.....

each sends him a monthly dividend check and 10,000 varmint bullets.

hear tell, sometimes tho he runs out, and actually has to order some...

all they have to do for UPS and USPS is address the Box
Shrapnel.... Montana....

they know exactly where to deliver it to....
Posted By: Sheister Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 01/29/19
I believe it seeing that stack of pills. That's okay, I'll be up in Bend in a few days and I'll drop by and grab a few handfuls from the bins so I have enough for the next couple seasons..... wink

Bob
Posted By: keith Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 02/07/19
shrapnel for many years, I was shooting around 24-26, 000 rounds a years on ground squirrels, jack rabbits, p. dogs, chucks all over N. Ca, Nevada, Idaho, and p. dogs over 4 states. We hunted coyotes in Az, and Mexico in the Winter. A two week hunt in Mexico, could produce as many coyotes as a trapper could catch in S. Texas. Sierra and Nosler had trucks drop ship bullets to my Gun Club by the pallet, minimum order was $6000.

Depending on Muzzle velocity, the lighter bullets bleed off velocity fast, and there is an obvious difference how they knock down coyotes at 250 yards and further. You really start to seeing the difference in how a heavier bullet kills when coyotes are hit behind the diaphram.

It is amazing to have multiples coming in from different directions, all racing to get to the call. These coyotes will rarely stop, you have to shoot them on the run or at the trot, so you hit them all over the body.

If you like light bullets and fast calibers, the 6 Rem AI with the 55g Nosler at 4400 fps is where you want to be. You can hit a coyote behind the stomach and he is grave yard dead when you walk up on him. When you have multiples already on the ground, more coming in, you will stop your swing, lift your head off the gun, etc and hit coyotes in NON PERFECT spots. We hunted competitions, and could not afford to loose any animals.

Standard 243 with a hot load of Varget will shoot tiny groups with 55g Noslers around 4100 fps.

6 BR with 26" barrel pumps the 55g Noslers out at 3900, zero freebore throat.

6 Dasher with 26" barrel shoots the 55g Nosler at 4030-4100 depending on the powder used, zero freebore throat.

40g V max and the Sierra Blitz kings on ground squirrels, are awesome with zero freebore 223's and AI's. I shot a couple of 5 gallon buckets full of Blue dot loads with 40g Noslers every year in Rem 788 and a custom 223 , 3200 fps.

hunting situations I had to prepare for consider, considering the size of the varmint and typical distances:

a. calling coyotes in up close, 10'-150 yards

b. calling coyotes to 350 yards

c. ground squirrels to 250 yards

d. jack rabbits to 500 yards

e. rock chucks to 500 yards

f. p. dogs on the open plains from Montana to S. and N. Dakota, 10 mph wind is a calm day

Guns and loads will vary, but the 40g will cover two of the above in spades, a. & c.
Posted By: shrapnel Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 02/07/19

Originally Posted by keith
I have killed a LOT of coyotes.

the thrill of shooting a fast bullet fades fast as yardage approaches 250-300 and beyond. These light bullets bleed off velocity very, very fast. A hit behind the diaphragm, you will never find the coyote.

For example, At 275 yards, MV of 3850 fps, a p. dog will just fall over.

So, I make mine 55g Nosler ballistic tips, great penetration on coming and going shots, break shoulders and hips, keep on penetrating.

You will loose coyotes with the 40's, but the Nosler is the best of them all.



I was going by your original post of prairie dogs falling over at 250 yards with the 40 grain Vmax. Nothing close to that observed by myself or anyone else on the Prairie Dog Invitational we shot annually. deflave's observation was with a 22-250, but I also used the 222 Mag with the 40 grain Vmax and nothing close to a PD tip over.



Originally Posted by deflave
Interestingly...

Shrap and I shot side by side one day on p-dogs in some pretty good wind. He would shoot, I'd spot. I'd shoot, he'd spot.

At like ranges we were both holding the same out to 400.

He was shooting the light stuff in a standard twist and I was shooting the 75gr. A-Max in a 1-8". Both 22-250's.

I do love the fast twist 22-250 but only because I used the Barnes monolithic stuff for deer hunting and shot to 800 + yards with it regularly at my range.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: I Love A 40 Grain BT - 02/08/19
Just shot a coyote not more than 5 minutes ago from the back porch, went out to grab a couple sticks of firewood, there he was standing on a grass bank watching my calves, 55gr NBT left the 22-250 at 3800 fps braced off the BBQ grill, pop FLOP at 238 yards. smile

It's 17 degrees and windy here now, they're hungry.
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