Will a 25/06 work on a coyote? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yup! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I'd say so.


Dad and his Rem Mtn Rifle in 25-06. Factory Win Sup 85grn BST's.

25-06 is a good 'un.

the coyote i shot with the 25-06 the pictures are not approiate for the web!

That rifle on your dads foot looks like a toy.

no doubt! Is that a youth model gun or is your Dad a big fella and ya'll just have gigantic coyotes in your area???

Nope, not a youth model. 700 Mtn Rifle. Dad is a big fella, and that was a pretty good sized dog.

Well i went and bought a ruger M77 Mark II all-weather 25/06 and topped it with a mueller 4-16x50 illuminated mildot scope. Now I just need to kill me some coyotes!

The .25-06 works real well on coyotes if you choose the right bullet. If you want to save the fur, use bullets that are designed for deer size game and you will do fine. The Sierra 100 grain "Gameking" is a good one if you like boatail bullets, and their 100 grain "pro-hunter" is another good choice if you like flat base bullets. Stay away from varmint bullets with the .25-06 if you don't want football sized exit wounds.

I think I'd shy away from the 100gr bullet's in it. I used some on some porqupines years age,,,FUBAR!!!! Actually I wouldn't shoot my 25-06 at anything I'd want to keep the hide from. That said, I've shot a couple coyote's with the 117gr bullet, broadside thru the chest.

Damage wasn't bad,,,,,,,,,,depending on who's determining the word damage,,you or the coyote! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'll second the comment about varmint bullets. I don't save fur, and shoot the 75 VMax out of my .25-308. A high center hit will sometimes drop each end of a coyote in separate directions!

Holy moley!

Guys,
I have been whacking coyotes with .25-06 and .257 Ackley for many years, and I know what I am talking about. Just shoot one with an 85 grain nosler ballistic tip if you don't believe me. The 85 grain ballistic tip is a "varmint" bullet which will kill coyotes very dead, but the exit hole with a broadside hit is gonna blow a mighty big hole upon exit. Use the bullets I recommend and you will usually get an exit but it will usually be one that you can live with. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Regarding the 85 gr. NBT......devastating is the word. I thought 75 gr. V-max's were bad but the 85 NBT is even more so. Shot a crow with one and I couldn't believe that heavy of bullet spread bits over a 10 foot circle. It was beautiful. I believe the 25 06 is the line where you can't kill them any deader(grin)

Coyotes may not be the only thing that responds to a call. If we are calling in mountain lion areas we will use larger calibers in the event that a lion responds, ala 243Win, 257 Roberts, etc. Now, in 46 years of varmint calling, I have only had three lion approach (three rugs now on the wall) a stand, but, over the years when walking back to truck I have seen lion tracks over our footprints numerous times. Two callers in the Morenci, AZ area needed eight shots from a 223 to kill a responding lion; they now carry a big bore handgun and/or larger rifle caliber.

I want to get a varmint rifle and was wondering---> 25-06 or 17hmr???
Also what's a fur friendly bullet for a 300 ultra mag??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />----Mike

For a 300 rum I would give a try to a 200 TSX and keep away from big bones. It may well work quite well.

Mark D

ol_mike,
For a .17 "anything" you better take a back up hammer to finish em off. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Cronk........the .17Rem doesnt need a back up hammer from what I've seen.......

25/06 or 17hmr.......the answer would be yes.
Early season, Oct thru Dec. lots of pups come in so quick & close a blow gun would damn near work.
Later in the season, older smarter dogs, the 25/06 will smak-em waaay out there.

.300 ultra......load up some 100 grain varmint bullets, may not be fur friendly, but would be fun to watch. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Rackmastr,
On field mice and such, the hammer would likely not be needed but the original question was in regard to coyotes I believe. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Cronk....ouch!!! I'll have to knock some over for ya.....

Rackmastr,
Just jacking with yer noggin' a bit , sorry about that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Cronk....I know man.....just jackin back...haha. I actually havent killed anything with the new .17Rem, other than 1 badger, but I'm hopin to get out for a few coyotes next week after my last deer season and put it to the test.....

I've been thinking about a 17 rem, I just can't find anything chambered for it but Re...Rem... Sucks, I guess maybe I just might have to settle for a 204 or 222. The swift I have been using can lead to much sewing from time to time.

Oregon,
Lots of guys over on other sites are reccomending the .17 Rem in a CZ550.....an option to look at if you're interested. I have a BDL and its a pretty nice shooter.....

Have a Sako .222 and its a hell of a gun as well, and I'd really like to shoot a .204 to see how they shoot...

I just checked the CZ web site. The .17 Remington is now available in their model model 527. http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=47

Now Cronk, If I take your advice, and snag a 25-06 for coyotes, how far from the muzzle do I have to let them get, so I don't burn the fur off from the damned muzzle blast:)

JefeMojado,
If you call em in that close, just whack em in the noggin with that hammer you would normally use to finish off those that you slowed down a bit with a .17. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Had a guy come by the shop here sellin' tools, didn't have anything I was needin', so he says, what about guns, had a few left that he was selling (old guy, so I figure they weren't hot) said he had a Sako finlight in .222 that he was willing to part with, fair on the price. Said he would be back the next day to make the exchange, didn't get his ph# & never heard from him again...........life can sure suck at times.
That would have been an awesome calling rifle.

Didn't know the CZ was chambered in .17 Rem. will be looking into it. Pelt price should be up & would like a smaller dose of dead than the swift has been dealing.

The BDL is probably a good shooter, most are, I just can't bring myself to like a R...Re...Rem....Sucks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

OregonTreekiller,
In looking at the CZ site, it apears that the .17 was only recently introduced in their fine rifles. It looks like the .17 is only available in the "varmint" configuration of their model 527. They don't offer their model CZ-550 in .17 caliber. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Okay, just read on another site that premium hunting bullets work great on coyotes with very little pelt damage in the 243 and 6mm. Mentioned, as well, was the 115 parttion in the 25-06.

Anyone tried this or any other premium bullet in the 25-06?

Ted

Yukoner,
The nosler partitions should be a good choice for coyotes. If you use the .25-06 mostly as a deer rifle, long range mountain goats etc., the 115-120 grainers would be a good choice. I like to shoot bullets in 90-100 grain class, in hopes of getting a little flatter trajectory. Coyotes are my main target animal. For several years now, I have been using 100 grain Sierra "pro-hunters" and 100 grain Sierra "Gamekings" with fairly good results. As I am typing this message, I am getting ready to clean the grease out of the bore on my new model 700 CDL in .243. I hope to try that bugger out on coyotes yet this winter. A man can't own too many rifles. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Rich ,

Everytime i hear [see] you talking about 17cal stuff it reminds me of a few years ago over at coyotegods -you told johnhenry that you had a bad expierence w/a 17 cal.
You leveled down on a varmint w/your 17 cal ---you were using the cokking lever as a rest and when you pulled the trigger it busted your knuckles good.You were inferring 17's are bb guns-you said those 17's just ain't for me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />---now that was funny especially over there.

ol_mike ,
LOL Mike!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> John-Henry banned me for something over a year for picking on him like that so much. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
I gotta go now,----laughing too much to type. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

ol_mike,
I just HAD to come back here and tell you something. I was down there in Arizonia doing a little calling with John, and I gave him a cow horn howler. He called me on the phone later on and told me how his little "taco Bell" looking dog ate the howler. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Appreciate the reply. How tough are the 100 gr PH and GK on hides?

Ted

Yukoner ,
I have shot several coyotes with the 100 grain "pro-hunters". Broadside and through the ribs I got maybe 50 cent piece size exits. On lengthwise and quartering shots I couldn't find an exit wound. I love those bullets for coyotes, but I lost a large black bear to one of the buggers. I was shooting down hill at pretty steep angle on the broadside blacky. I think the bullet caught the near side lung but missed the other lung. A black powder hunter found the remains of my bear a couple of months later. The bear had made it about one mile from the spot where I poked him.

hey rich,

do you recall when the owner/mod on that other board was ragging on guys for using .243s and the like, rather than the .17 Rem??? he went on and on about pelt damage caused by the larger cartridges....
same fella was proud of turning loose his airedales on cripples and i got banned for asking how much damage an airedale or 2 causes a pelt..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> john w

Banned from yotegods that's hilarious!
Oh sorry i called a coyote a 'yote' that's a big no-no over there.
He's [john henry] probably a good guy but the board is a little odd at times.
I got a real good chuckle just hearing you got banned from there!
It was funny to see the newcomer -totally unknowing ask---> 22-250 or 243 for yotes?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Sorry for sidetracking your post lovessomeshooting!!

johnw ,
I remember that alright. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I got banned for a year or so for teasing him so much. John isn't a bad person. I still consider him as a friend. The .17 Remington is one of those calibers that is loved by some and shunned by others. Kind of like religion I guess, ya can't win an argument in regard to either subject. To each his own I say.

ol_mike,
It is a sin to refer to the beloved coyote as a "Yote". Surely you realize that don't you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I have posting priveleges over there again now, but haven't visited the blackboard for awhile. John has his own way of running his board, but he does pay the bills there so he gets to run it the way way he wants to. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

hey rich,

i have, and use a .17 rem. .. i've had it since 1971, and am pretty well familiar with it's abilities, shootabilities, etc. ...
i bought the rifle for use on red fox and there is no finer, for the purpose.....

the owner of the board under discussion denies the existence of coyotes larger than the typical southwestern specimen.... he laughs at the thought of a 40 lb. coyote.... labels such as fantasy, or some such thing...
this simply speaks of his inexperience.....

he can run his board the way he wants... i had seen others banned... fully expected to be banned for my post... i was through with the place when i posted it.....
good to see you here..... john w

"i have, and use a .17 rem. .. i've had it since 1971, and am pretty well familiar with it's abilities, shootabilities, etc. ...
i bought the rifle for use on red fox and there is no finer, for the purpose....."
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Now THAT sounds like very good information. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

johnw ,

I had a friend back in the mid 70's who basically introduced me to centerfire small caliber varmint hunting.He had a 17rem [rem bdl] and liked it ,but it tore red fox pelts up like nobodys business.Large horrifc wounds -i don't know what kind of bullet he used but some of them and also young grounghogs would be splattered.
Of coarse i'm not disputing anybodies word but in order for a 17rem to not tear up pelts you must have to pick your shots.
I remember one fox in particular at about 75yds his stomach was tore-off and the tail hanging by a thread ,and their pelts were worth $50-$60 back then.That was quite a sight for a teen w/a 22mag.It was a bad shot for sure but a 17rem will unzipper a small creature pretty good- pretty regular from my small amount of expierence.Yotegods swear by them for yotes so of coarse you guys must be onto something.
John henry knows there are coyotes w/wolf genes that are smarter than bill gates he just doesn't want to admit that coyotes where he hunts can be called by rattling a spoon on a can of alpo!!!!<<<<<---How'did ya like that Rich <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

ol_mike,
I kind of figured that a .17 Remington would be hard on the fur of a red fox, just like you describe. I guess Johnw has found a better bullet somewhere, and maybe he loads em down a bit?

actually guys,

other than a short spell back in the early 80s i haven't used anything but rem factory loads for my .17... when i did load for it i pushed it as hard as it would go with the hornady 25...

nowadays i don't shoot a box of shells through it maybe every other year, as i do not actively pursue fox any more..... maybe it'll see some more use if the pelt prices come back to the 1980- 1984 levels.....
then again, maybe not, as i have learned better ways of making and managing money.....

as to pelt damage, my experience has been different, for the most part... center a hip or shoulder joint, and some damage is likely to happen...
mostly though, i used to shoot fox, and if i didn't know, within an inch or so, where i shot them, it'd be real difficult to prove that they didn't die of natural causes... at least from the outside.....

the model 700 bdl of 1971 was the most beautiful rifle that i could conceive of..... in 1971 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> .....
it was my first centerfire rifle, and i pumped a lot of gas to buy it..... i've been down to only it and the .22 that my dad bought for me several times over the years..... john w

JohnW

That 17rem is a family heirloom at this point.
I have a 79'-bdl -25-06 that i'd never part with -although some day i will <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />---Mike

ol_mike ,
Remember that .17 caliber Daisy that busted my fingers when cocking lever whacked em? I ain't had much use for a .17 ever since. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

Every time i see <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> your name that's what i remember !

big holes are all ive seen in coyotes.

kirk, are you talking from 17rem's or from the caliber you are currently shooting song dogs with?

I dont shoot coyotes with a 2506 my brother does and with nothing but 100 gr corloc rem factory ammo! I use a tikka varminter in 223 with a 50 grn sierra med blitz.No exit is what I say!

That's funny because I posted the same thing on another thread. That rifle looks like a mini-700.....

Got to talking yote whacking and fur friendliness during the post feast fog. Been surfing around the fire and speculating some. Got to thinking that the 26 IOD would be a dandy dogger if the two bit aught were made friendly to the fur.

I have a bunch of old style 75 gr X bullets in the cabinet. Harder than the TSX's to start with. I suppose they'd act just about like a solid if a guy were to clog the tip.

May have to do some 'sperimenting ...

Anybody have a notion?

GE

I've spent much time with a Rem. 700 Varmit special in 25-06. I'd say it is to much of a good thing . It is closer to the recoil of a 270 than a 243. It will work on varmits but so does a 300 Win. Mag.

OregonTreekiller: If you are implying that Remington Rifles in caliber 17 Remington "suck" then I take this opportunity to illustrate the error of your contention!
I presently have 3 (three) Varmint Rifles in caliber 17 Remington - all made by the Remington Arms Company!
All three of them shoot and perform extremely well!
And they look, balance and handle extremely well also!
Now for some accuracy specifics to erase your implication COMPLETELY!
Remington #1: Is a Remington 700 VSS (Varmint Stainless Steel) in 17 Remington - this all stock factory Rifle often shoots groups (5 shots at 100 yards) in the low 4's!
It has a silver Leupold 6.5x20 variable scope on it.
The average of ALL the groups (5 shots at 100 yards) I have ever fired with this all stock Remington Rifle (including load development groups!) comes to an impressive .461"!
That DOES NOT SUCK!
Thats consistent and excellent accuracy!
Remington #2: Is a Remington 700 Classic in caliber 17 Remington with a Leupold 4x12 variable scope on it. Again this Rifle is all stock and performs flawlessly for me!
The average of ALL groups (5 shots at 100 yards) I have ever fired with THIS Rifle (including load development groups) comes to .648"!
Impressive that - especially considering the moderate scope power and Varmint type bullets it uses!
That DOES NOT SUCK!
Remington #3: Is a Remington 700 BDL plain Jane Rifle in claiber 17 Remington with a Zeiss 3x9 variable scope on it!
This Rifle is a Varmint killing machine night and day!
The average of all groups (5 shots at 100 yards) I have fired with this Rifle comes to .502"!
This Rifle fired the first ammo I made for it so well that I have never tried anything else in it!
That DOES NOT SUCK!
And if you think those 17 caliber Remingtons shoot well, you should ask me about my new Remington 700 VSF Rifle in caliber 17 Remington Fireball!
I base MY contention on actual useage of previous and presently owned Rifles in 17 Remington caliber along with firsthand observations of Rifles in this caliber owned by my Varmint Hunting friends.
Your contention is simply baseless and erroneous!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Who hasn't been banned from the yotegods? I've been banned for saying shotguns are good for coyotes. Apparently they are only good for birds.

glad that i aint' the only one that digs up old posts around here...

i clicked on this thread this morning and started reading...
started formulating a reply in my head....
reading down through the different posts and there's some guy almost stealing the very words out of my head... (oh, it's me from a couple of years back!!!).....

But you could like a foreign rifle couldnt you! Bet you voted for Obama................geez drive a toyota, and wife has a honda civic...................types like you get me............