Ok Guys looks like I'm a bit outa the loop..

When did BH209come out? And it's smokeless? Is there restrictions in certain states with this powder? It's safe to shoot in any muzzloader???

Here's their website with loads of info. Everything they state is true based on feedback by many satisfied users over the last couple of years.

It's good stuff.

http://www.blackhorn209.com/

I shoot it in a TC Omega. I really like it. You have to use a standard shotgun primer. Also, use standard cleaning solutions(not water). I forgot to clean it mid-summer, the last time I shot it. Cleaned up just fine this fall when I went to use it again. I wish I had some pictures of my 200yd groups...

blackhorn is very clean,use regular rifle solvent not blackpowder solvent. my triumphs both shoot great with it.

i use standard winchester primers. what ml are you planning to shoot it in?

It's not considered smokeless powder, it's considered a black powder substitute and it is safe.

It is a black powder substitute and it still smokes .

I have used it the last couple years. It is cleaner and more consistent than pyrodex.


ddj

I've a TC Firehawk SS/Walnut .50cal.. Use #11 caps shoot 300gr Precision Dead Center.

BH209 and you won't go back to the dirty stuff

I like it already! Dumped Pyrodex for 777.. And I'll dump the 777 too!!!

Don't get too excited. #11 caps and BH209 are not compatable according to the manufacturer.

Check out the FAQs on Blackhorn's website.

http://www.blackhorn209.com/faqs/

Won't work and its not really recommended to be used in a plunger style muzzy.

This is straight off of the BH209 website:

NO. #11 percussion caps, or musket caps do not have sufficient strength to ignite Blackhorn 209.


Of course you could buy one of these: flame thrower 209 conversion

i would stick to what you have been useing or buy a new gun.shooting blackhorn in that gun will not work well.

Thanks guys. With my states regulations looks like i'll have to stick with the way I've been doing things. Which isnt a bad thing! =)

I'd put a musket cap nipple on your Firehawk and stick with the 777. I have the same gun and the musket caps aren't as hot as 209's so you don't get the crud ring. They are a good deal hotter than #11 caps so you get better ignition.

bill,you sayin the 209 is what gives you the crudring. how come i've used win 209 primers in my triumph fromthe day i bought it and with 777 and shockeys gold i get a crudring,with blackhorn i never get one. 20shots nothing.

It's the combination of the 777 with a 209. I've never had a crud ring with any other powder/primer combo. Never used shockeys gold.

I use BH209 in my Omega now and I love it. Without spending a lot of money converting it to 209's the muslet cap and 777 loose are the best bet in the Firehawk IMO.

I hope this BH209 is as good as every one says. Just put in a order with PV for a 5 pounder so I am committed,LOL.

its like crack, only black and it burns. Once you try it, you're hooked.

Sound like it! Looks like it moves projectiles right along too(grin)

FVA, what muzzy are you shooting?

A Bone Collector. Been using Swiss ffg and some T7 I had left over from 2003.

Oh okay you will really like the bh209 powder in that gun.

BH209 is the only way to roll.


FVA, keep the breech plug clean on that Triumph - use this link for reference;

http://www.blackhorn209.com/specs/breech-plug-cleaning/

I changed over to BP209 this year from Pyrodex. I love it. It burns clean and shoots really well in my Knight Disc Extreme. I've killed two deer this year using 120 gr (84) of BP209 with 250 gr. Barnes TMZ bullet with CCI 209M primer. I use yellow crush rib Harvester sabots. The Harvester really made the gun shoot great. Before I started using the new sabots, my gun wasn't shooting all that well. Now it shoots great. Try BP209 and I'm willing to bet you'll like it too. Using pellets in an inline really spoils you though. If I didn't fire my inline when using pellets, I'd just remove the breech plug and push the pellets and bullet out the breech. Only bad thing about using loose BP209 is getting it out of the gun when you haven't fired your ML. Firing it is the only way I've found to remove it, and then you have to clean your gun. Would be nice if they started making BP209 in pellet form. Pushing that loose powder out through the breech would really make a mess in your gun. I haven't figured a way (other than shooting it) to get the loose powder out. Once you shoot it, then you need to clean it. If anyone has a good way to get the unfired loose BP209 out,,, I'M LISTENING!!

I have a CO2 powered thingy (technical term) that blows the powder and bullet out the business end. This is for a TC inline and it works like a charm. TM

Thanks for the link Skane. I've a 1/8" bit in the cleaning kit already so imagine I should be OK.

I'm using the yellow crush rib Harvester sabots with Barnes 290 gr TMZ. They load well with the Harvestor. With the Barnes supplied sabot a mallet was almost in order.
They shoot good in both my BC and my son's Impact. Hopefully switching to BH 209 won't change anything there while adding a couple hundred fps.

Happen to have a link? Sounds like just the thing.

Hey, that sounds like just the ticket for what I need. How hard does it push it out the muzzle? Do you have to do it outdoors? Can you do it into a waste basket?? Tell me more. Wonder if they have something like that for a Knight? What kind of CO2 do you use? I heard that someone had a threaded tube that screws into the breech plug threads, and then you can push the loose powder and bullet out and into that tube. However, I can't find anyone who knows anything about it. That would be just what a guy would need to get that loose powder out without making a mess in his gun.. Thanks for the info.

http://www.gunaccessories.com/RMC/EC_Unloader.asp

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=9299 does not come with adapter so I would go with the RMC.

PERFECT! Just what I need. I'm ordering one... Thanks!

I don't find it difficult to unload my Knight by removing the BP and pushing the load out of the breech end. With the rifle upside down, nothing gets into the trigger works. I catch the powder in a bowl and re-use it. I reuse the sabot and bullet too.

Since switching to BH209 (back when I got my hands on my first jug) I have only done it twice.
Most often, the Knight sits in the safe with powder/sabot/bullet in place, ready to go.

That is the beauty of BH209.

No need to make things difficult or buy unnecessary swag.

Doh! I forgot to note that the 1/8" noted on the site is too big for the Triumph.

I think I bought a 1/16 - fits perfectly.

All T/C flash channels are 1/8 and if you can't fit a 1/8 in the flash channel it means it's plugged with carbon.if that's the case start smaller and step up until you can get the 1/8 bit in it.(Note) spin all the drill bits by hand!once that's done soak the plug and clean all the mess of it. i also run a pipe cleaner in the flash channel after soaking, then blow it out with air.also,no grease on the BP is required when using Bh209.even 777 can plug a flash channel, it just takes a lot longer to do so than BH209 does!

Ummmm, well, I tried it on mine, as well as my dad's Triumph breech. (his is near brand spankin' new)

1/8" DOES NOT fit.

Are you sure you inserting the drill bit in the correct end of the BP?the bit needs to be inserted in the pocket where the 209 primer sits.if it won't accept a 1/8 bit in that pocket, it's built up with carbon.carbon build up when using BH209, depending on the primer your using can happen with as little as 10 shots..I own a Triumph also..

Laughing.....Yes. I know which end is which.

OK, just checking lol.like i posted earlier it's a 1/8 bit that is needed and if it doesn't fit it's built up with carbon. when that happens you have to start with a bit that fits and work up until the 1/8 does. spin all the bits by hand only.after i clean the carbon out i soak the BP in cleaner and run a pipe cleaner though the flash channel/pocket, clean the threads and blow out the BP with air.i am just trying to help here,if you have any doubts call wetern powders or do a web search..PM me if you feel the need!!

builder,

.....I'd take a pict if I were at home. It's super-clean, you'll have to trust me. If I attempt the 1/8" bit, I'll be buggering metal.

I thought the pellets were the way to go being simple and easy to use. Then I started reading about BlackHorn 209 and how you could adjust the load for your particular rifle and bullet combination to achieve the best accuracy, something you can't do with pellets. So I tried BlackHorn and I can tell you I will never go back to anything else.

In both my Bone Collector and son's Impact 1/8" is the perfect fit. I hold the bit with my Leatherman and twist the Breech plug as twisting the bit by hand would be hard.

You need an 1/8" metric drill bit.

Custom fit it. Chuck the 1/8" bit in your drill and use a stone to take a little off the diameter.

http://www.blackhorn209.com/specs/breech-plug-cleaning/ don't take my word for it. take western powders.

standard 1/8 bit in a T/C triumph BP.when your having hang fire problems, look back on this thread.

If you're using the W209 primers then yes, it will feel like the 1/8" bit is to large. The carbon from the w209 is extremely hard to cut into at first.

Soak the plug in warm soapy water and give it a few minutes, then run the drill bit down the flash channel.