HB 62

The 20th anniversary of the Columbine High School massacre is Saturday.

I hoped, when it happened, that a tragedy like that would never occur again. Instead, we’ve seen one mass shooting after another, and the threat of gun violence at schools has become something that school personnel, students and parents worry about every day.
[Police, firefighters team up to prepare for SWAT situations]

Many young people can’t even remember a time when this wasn’t true. But I remember. It doesn’t have to be like this. We can enact reasonable gun laws that help prevent guns from getting into the hands of people who shouldn’t have them.

House Bill 62, currently pending before the Alaska Legislature, is that type of reasonable gun law. It would authorize courts to issue Gun Violence Protective Orders, allowing temporary removal of guns when there is an elevated risk that a person will use a gun to harm themselves or others.

These laws make a significant difference in preventing deaths by suicide. A law like this might also have prevented the Parkland school shooting. So far, 15 states and the District of Columbia have passed similar Extreme Risk Protection Order or red flag laws.

Please contact your legislators and ask them to pass HB 62. It’s one step we can take to build a better world for our children and grandchildren.
Ann Gifford,
Juneau



https://www.juneauempire.com/letter...er-states-in-passing-reasonable-gun-laws

For the children, so that's a good thing.

WRONG! The main reason these mass shootings occur in the first place is due to out of control Marxist political correctness – specifically the shuttering of mental health institutions and psychiatric hospitals nationwide, which has resulted in a deluge of mentally unstable people in every city and almost on every street corner. The very term “Common Sense Gun Control” is offensive and presumes dimwitted Americans need to be lectured and taught like children.

These “Red Flag” laws are blatantly unconstitutional and deny Americans their Constitutionally guaranteed right to due process and their 4th Amendment rights. These laws are nothing more than an excuse to disarm Americans, while circumventing their Constitutional rights and is a “solution” to a problem which was caused by the very people (idiot liberals) who created the problem(s) in the first place. These laws are yet another stepping stone in an all-out effort to reach the Marxists’ real goal – totally disarming the AMERICAN PUBLIC. Who gets to set the standard for these laws? Who ensures that law-abiding citizens aren’t targeted by some lunatic leftist neighbor with a grudge against Conservatives? Who will guarantee that these red flag laws aren’t abused? I’ll tell you who – NO ONE! That is the point of these laws: to incrementally disarm those that are deemed a danger – a danger against the Progressive Machine and the globalist agenda. These laws have nothing whatever to do with protecting our children or the American Public – WAKE THE F*CK UP AMERICA!

No such thing as reasonable gun laws.

Nope. Restrictions on an inalienable right preclude it from being a right and reduce it to an act of magnanimity by the “state”.

You mean like Constitutional Carry and such? Or doesn't your State trust you enough for that yet?

This law recently passed in NY. all someone has to do is call the police and say they think someone might do harm. AUTOMATIC taking of all guns then occurs. No legal process. Can you imagine the abuse this will cause by people screwing with others. Nope, not reasonable.

I thought dog whistles were silent?

This law will assume you are “guilty” until you hire a lawyer and prove otherwise before a judge in court. Your child drawing a picture of you hunting with a gun can be deemed “scary” by a teacher and reason to take your guns. Several of the 15 states you mention are also attempting to outlaw gun raffles as fund raisers fro fire companies for instance because some one will illegally get a gun. They are also trying to ban any contest where animals are harvested......think fishing derbies, squirrel hunting contests, biggest deer contest etc because “ they promote scary guns” . Be very careful what you wish for.

I'm against animal harvest contests (including record books) as a rule, but not for that reason.

PC has little to do with it. Half are probably committed by people under the legal age to buy a firearm. So the mental hospital angle is just blather. I agree with the dimwitted forum members comment.

The mental hospital angel is definitely not blather. Take a look at Seattle or any other large, progressive run (or otherwise) city, where you can find mentally disturbed people on almost every street corner. These people commit crimes with impunity and law enforcement is powerless to do anything about it. If these mentally disturbed people are arrested, they're back on the street in a day, if not within hours. Sure, a lot of the problem is due to idiotic liberal policies that have decriminalized theft, drug use, etc., but the closure of mental institutions has resulted in these offenders simply being turned loose - there's nowhere to house them so that they can get the medication and treatment that they need. This is direct result of PC/liberal policy.

And if you're calling me dimwitted, then you can GFY.

None of that has jack [bleep] to do with what was said anywhere in this thread, except by you.

School shootings and gun violence were the topic of discussion, till you started blathering.

Actually, Clydesdale, HB 62 was the original topic of discussion, which promotes Red Flag laws and advocates for “reasonable gun laws” as a means to prevent mass-shootings.

My discussion takes the premise of these laws, including the entire premise of the OP, and draws direct conclusions regarding the series of circumstances that led to these laws in the first place. In following this reasoning, we can logically draw the following conclusions:

1) Most mass shootings are committed by mentally unstable people.
2) There are many more mentally unstable people on the streets now, than prior to the liberal policies which resulted in the closure of mental institutions.
3) More mentally unstable people with very little to no means or obtaining treatment results in more shooting incidents by unstable individuals.
4) The sudden onset of these “Red Flag” laws is a direct result of problems caused by liberal policy.
5) Red Flag laws are unconstitutional and deprive Americans of Due Process and their 4th Amendment rights.

I can probably correctly presume that the OP posted the information in an effort to start a discussion regarding the proposed legislation. My posts have done just that.

High noon
Were all better off by just not responding to the mental midget with deep-seated anger issues.

Duly noted.

Had you been born "half-cocked Clyde" you would be just as angry.

Wow, you are brilliant. Mass shooters are mentally unstable. Profound statement.

How many of the mass/school shooters were street bums that social health care would have saved? How many were denied mental health care because of PC bullshit? It’s two separate issues there [bleep].

So you are blaming liberal policies, but social mental hospitals would solve it. You need to be committed.

In short, you think feces and blood ARE lubricants

If they work for you keep using them. No one else gives a [bleep].

Forgive Clyde he's retarded..

The old Liberal "Create a problem to solve it later" is in full play. They will implement a PC law and then raise taxes to cover it later. A law like this will put law enforcement in danger.

Publicly funded looney bins will cut back on mass shootings. It proven right here.

Half these butt [bleep] are for some kind of gun control. You just need to find the group they feel doesn’t deserve the freedom they want for themselves.

My RE: was directed to High Noon. I support his understanding of this proposed law. I don't think that he is supporting new gun control laws.

MM897: Clyde's reading & comprehension is suspect.

We need more social programs that help the mentally ill.

Hence my post regarding Liberal/Progressive policy that has shuttered a great many of the mental institutions in this country, which is directly responsible for the gigantic number of mentally unstable individuals on our streets. You disparaged my comments, yet here you are repeating them.

It’s deranged (at best) with an amoebic IQ.

hint......

But I’m the one that can’t read and comprehend.....

Just go about blathering like an idiot.

You're a moron. GFY.

At least I’m not a socialist.

Yep you are still a retard..

There are those who believe contributing factors might include use of prescribed medicines for ADHD mixed in a cocktail with over usage of (hours and hours each day) gaming on devices. I wonder if a study on the correlation between any of these factors with the younger (and older?) shooters involved has seen the light of day?

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. It’s because the nanny state hasn’t opened enough hospitals to take in street bums.

These dumb [bleep] have no idea what you are talking about. Studies cloud their own dumb ass thoughts with facts.

I can carry open anytime I choose and don’t need a permit. 😉

liberals with both eyes shut just want America`s legally purchased firearms. what needs to be done is what the country of Israel has done in schools and maybe more ?mandatory student uniforms,teacher`s carry weapons and a gun,schools are locked down,maybe even some armed guards . and make it a law any gun violate crime public hanging in 2 weeks mandatory. lets bring back gun safety classes in all public schools for kids that have no mental problems. here in Minnesota trap is now a high school sport that these kids can letter in and at the state trap shoot summer of 2018 over 10,000 kids shot trap ,no person got hurt all were safe shooting trap shotguns and they had an excellent time. the way to fight gun violence is carry guns,make it known schools have armed guards and teachers carry,school is locked down during school hours ,students shall have uniforms,America can do more to help our youths in school and out of schools be safer ,maybe even a tower with a sniper on duty during school sessions ? America needs to wake up and protect our youth better.maybe get the National guard involved too at the schools ?

Sig line material.;)

It’s not a firearm problem.....it’s a people problem. Not too many years ago firearms in the school ( shooting teams, ect.) and in many vehicles in the school parking lot, were commonplace. Yet.....we didn’t have school shootings. Society has created......through social media, the breakdown of the family structure, the loss of morals, the loss of Christianity in the schools and our lives, the blatant push of media, Hollywood, ect. to promote deviant behavior as normal is the “driving force” behind the majority of school shootings. Add to that the inability of a kid that is “bullied” to defend himself, while the bully is not held accountable for his actions.....not only at the school but by law enforcement outside the school environment. These kids are pushed over the edge mentally, and seek revenge on everyone, knowing that they will be “immortalized” in social media! The “drive” to become relevant, overcomes any “moral compass” that he/she may have. The removal of firearms is merely a band aide, attempting to solve a problem that is far larger than having the ability to kill one’s perceived tormentors! Until we fix society, mass murders will continue...be it with a home-made explosive, an automobile, knives ( remember school killings in China and Japan). The firearm is merely a tool of opportunity!

Suicides will not be affected by firearm removal. Anyone intent upon will use other means, drugs, a tall building/bridge, a concrete block and 10 feet of water, are only a few means of suicide that can’t be removed.

This law will be used by humans that will be driven by their own biases.....whether political, or a multitude of other driving factors. This is just another step in the abolishment of the 2nd. Ammendment and the ability to defend our Republic. memtb

Use that line a few more times. The drunk dumb asses probably were blacked out the bunch of times you’ve used it. They will laugh like it’s the first time.

Crysgale,

What are the "odds",that your kchunt hasn't left the couch,thus far...this year? Congratulations?!?

Hint.............

An end run around the constitution in true democrat style.

Better then the odds of you coming up with new material. But the shallow minded laugh like it’s the first time they’ve heard it.

CXrysgale,

You sure as fhuqk haven't received an IQ Transplant,nor won The Lottery...so the "changes" are nil. Congratulations?!?

Hint...............

IQ transplant. Just go back to your lame old [bleep]. At least it’s better then that. Tell us how slow you are. Still haven’t had to listen to you bullshit about vacation.

Crysgale,

It's your Imagination,simply Pretend with it as you MUST and "convince" yourself...that you do not read my EVERY fhuqking word. Congratulations?!?

LAUGHING!

Hint................

There’s the lame old [bleep] everyone’s seen a million times. Imagination, pretend, congratulations, laughing, hint.

The only one you missed was calling me some sort of a female. That one never gets old around here. Mainly because these window lickers are window lickers.

We just need to round it out with you telling me about your job and vacation.

Crysgale,

What the fhuqk else can you "do"...besides nothing? Congratulations?!?

Hint................

Cut me some more slack in the rope. But not so much that you hang yourself with it.

Crysgale,

You are doing GREAT. Congratulations?!?

Hint...............

Haven’t heard that one.

Crysgale,

The incredibly long list of things you are unaware of...is IMPRESSIVE. Congratulations?!?

Hint....................

I’m aware that you are a sorry bastard. But everyone knows that.

Crysgale,

Start a Thread if/when your kchunt leaves the couch. Congratulations?!?

Hint.................

High Noon has it absolutely correct this is a way for the Marxist to disarm the population thought what a appears to be a legal means, just remember what happened in Europe when the Russians/Communist took over. Just remember those that don't know or forget history are doomed to repeat it!!!

northcountry: Thanks. I forgot to mention the incredibly enticing "Gun-Free Zones," (yet another liberal/Marxist construct), which emboldens would-be shooters because they know that there will be little to no resistance. Consider: would these miscreants attempt such an act if they knew that there were armed Americans standing in their way who were ready and willing to put a quick stop to their insidious activities? I think not.

Keep hanging on every one of my posts, you pathetic loser.

Still waiting on the number of shootings that would have been stopped by socialism.

Clyde: Non sequitur.

Lol. You really have a solid non argument there.

At least you don’t have to confuse anyone with a fact or one study supporting your sound conclusions.

Clyde: My conclusions are sound. Furthermore, they're irrefutable. Do your own research and confirm them yourself. You made a general, non sequitur comment regarding socialism - albeit sarcastic. No one here stated that socialism could/would stop shootings - mass or otherwise.

Your conclusions are real sound. Because you said so.

I’ve read other people’s research, they didn’t come to your conclusions. But you keep on, keeping on believing we need more social programs to save us.

Crysgale,

Cite if/when your kchunt leaes the couch. Congratulations?!?

hint................

You keep on keeping on worrying yourself sick about me, Stalker.

Clyde: Clearly, there's something wrong with your cognitive abilities. I never once said that we need more social programs. Not once. You'd do well to spend more time comprehending what you read rather than jumping to idiotic conclusions.

Your derisory game is tiresome. Do me a favor and either reply to my posts with an intelligent comment, or not at all.

Good day to you sir.

High by Noon,

Do the forum a favor and just stop posting.

Crysgale,

You Melting Snowflakes are a fhuqking hoot! Congratulations?!?

Hint...................

Clyde: Just the type of infantile post I expect from you. I'm done with you and your moronic comments. GFY.

Roger that, but you must have a permit to carry concealed, must use an FFL for ALL transfers, and already have red flag laws. You think that makes you the winner?

I wish I could say the same about you, but I can’t.

High by Noon,

No one is happier that you are done with me then I am.

Sadly enough. We are all losers in this game.

You’ve missed the point entirely. None of us are “less free” than another. We all have restrictions on our “rights”.

Uh, sorry, but either your argument is mooted by circularity or simply wrong because you are trying to argue in two directions at once...

I see a tremendous difference between the laws in say NYC versus here. Not so much between WA and here, but still significant.