So I just inherited a 25-20 Winchester. It's in great condition and I definitely would like like to put down some animals in honor of my uncle who passed it down. Does anyone here have experience with this? Would love some insight on what's possible with this chambering. I'm thinking pigs and deer working 100-150 yards and plinking.

The .25-20 is a nifty little cartridge, and has been used on deer a lot. My father killed his first deer, a forkhorn muley buck, with a .25-20 Winchester 92 in 1938, with a neck shot as the buck ran toward him at close range--pushed by one of my dad's high school buddies. The long time B&C record whitetail, the Jordan buck, was also taken with a .25-20--though it didn't die nearly quickly or easily as my father's little mule deer.

I have owned three .25-20's, two Savage 23s and an 1892 Winchester. Probably the best load for "big" game is an 86-grain flatnose softpoint--if you can find any. They can be safely pushed to around 2000 fps.

What model did you inherit?

I've had various .25-20s since 1952 and I'd say your game aspirations are a bit optimistic. You CAN kill both pigs and deer with a .25-20. BUT there are many "buts" involved.

The deer I killed with mine were Columbian Blacktails in the thick coastal brush of Northern California. None weighed more than about 100# with the guts and blood out. Ranges were under 100 yards, 'way under in most cases.

Only one of them was running and I spent three hours looking for him in the manzanita/ticks/rattlers and only found him because some ravens couldn't keep their traps shut. Hit him back in the liver and he took his time bleeding out.

The only pig I shot was just under 180#s field dressed. Range was about 20 feet--I was trying to kill him before he killed our two dogs who were visegrip locked onto his leg and nose. It only took 11 shots (two were misses because I was trying to also miss my beagle....).

Old timers I knew who used .25-20s for subsistence hunting lived right with the animals they shot and ate. They could wait for a perfect shot because they knew they'd see the buck or pig manana if the shot wasn't great today. Most of us don't live like that any more. They could also REALLY SHOOT those quarter bores because that's all they'd ever shot. And they uniformly used 86gr LEAD bullets since the jacketed bullets were a little more expensive.

Of course we now have better bullets, if you handload, especially for a single shot or any rifle that doesn't have a tubular magazine (I use a Savage Model 23B bolt action and a Savage Model 219 Single shot and have used a Winchester Model 43 bolt and an 1885 Lowall single shot, and a '92 with a 24" round full magazine barrel.).

I'd keep the ranges more modest and the game less big, say coyotes, jackrabbits and snowshoe hares, and turkeys where legal. Fun enough and little risk of having the critter run off and end up as coyote chow....

Others may well have more optimistic ideas! BUT DO ENJOY YOUR CLASSIC! I love mine.

MD,
It’s a Winchester 1982. My uncle had many rifles he passed down and this one caught my eye. We hunt mostly coastal blacktail and many shots are 50-120 yards. I have plenty of other rifles but I’d love to shoot a buck this year in his honor with his rifle.

It’s funny as I’ve run the gamut of methods of taking big game. From hand me down r700 270, archery, custom long range rifles, and now, to old school lever action rifles. I’m very lucky to hunt exclusive private ranches and many opportunities at legal bucks. I find myself (at 35yr) going more for traditional/old school ways of getting it done. I think I’ll have more admiration shooting a fork’in horn with a family heirloom over a “trophy” with modern technology (high BC, fast twist barrel, nightforce scopes).

Would love to hear stories of fellow members getting it done with an old school cartridge.

Mesa,
I appreciate your input. It sounds like a great nostalgia cartridge and if shots are kept within reason it can get it done. I’ll keep it in the truck throughout the season and if the opportunity arises I’ll take the old girl out.

Thank you for the response

I've used it on small game, turkey and one mule deer doe. I have a Winchester 1892 rifle with 24 inch octagon and a 1892 Saddle ring carbine. Im also shooting it in a Savage 23 bolt action. All are accurate, the Savage and 1892 Rifle are better shooters than my carbine overall.

As Mule Deer said, the 86 grain cast flat point does very well. You can get the bullet from several online sources or cast them yourself. Factory loads are out there but expensive. I also shoot the now discontinued, but still found from time to time, Speer 75 grain jacketed flat point. This was what I took my doe with. Incredibly accurate out of that little Savage, I kept it in the truck for a doe tag. For awhile during the wasting disease years, here in Colorado, I could get 3 tags a year. It allowed me to take my time and wait for the right opportunity. I still plan on getting into some javelina with a 25-20 in the future too.

I got started in cowboy action shooting in my teens, shooting with all my friends that were 30 years older than me. I had been borrowing a Rifle from an uncle, when one of the other guys offered me my 1892 for $400. It's a grayed out ole rat but still shoots. After shooting a bunch of cast bullets the pitting is so bad I use the old outers foul out to cleaning system to electrically pull the fouling out. It's pretty funny when globs of lead come out, but it still shoots well.

Shoot your uncles gun with pleasure, reload for it and you'll never have to worry about ammo. Brass lasts forever if you take care of it. Good luck! Sorry so long, couldn't sleep tonight.

I am hoping the new Marlin (Ruger) will make 25-20 and the 25-35 again.
GreggH

Lucky you. Larry Koller shot his first with one (probably the SS version, but who’s counting?). Be careful, and don’t let your nice idea turn into a schitt show.

Might try it with my Hornet someday if I can find some 45gr TSXs.

Bushwhacker,

Dyna Bore Coat also helps with pitted bores. I applied it to the bore in my old 1892 .25-20, made in 1913, and it made a noticeable difference in accuracy with cast bullets.

One thing I've noticed about .25-20s is the Savage Model 23s tend to have nice bores, probably because the 23 wasn't introduced until non-corrosive primers appeared.

I’m a fan of the 25-20, been intrigued by it since I first saw a cartridge when I was 10 or 11 years old. The one I have is an 1894 Marlin. It’s currently residing with my son and he’s a big fan too. When I was out there last fall we spent some time making.25-20 cases from .32-20 brass which is much easier to come by.

I would concur with the idea that the 86 grain flat nose is the way to go. It’s always been easier to get accuracy with it in my experience. I’ve used the 75 grain Speer with some success but, at least in my rifle, as soon as you try to push it accuracy deteriorates fast. The 60 grain Hornadys I tried were a lost cause.

As far as on-game performance, the 75 grain Speers have proven deadly on such as coons, porcupines (a lot of porcupines) and beaver. I didn’t pay much mind to terminal performance, but all the critters died quite handily. In one case, I did “autopsy “ a beaver. He’d been up on the bank at sundown and I shot him at 150 yards or a little better. At the shot, he rolled over, kicked around a little, and expired. I saw my entrance hole when I got to him and, curious, I ran a stick of willow in at the shoulder to discover a bullet path straight through on the diagonal, exiting the rear, offside hip...a distance of around 14 inches of skin, muscle, bone and guts. This was with the 75 grain Speer started at about 1500 FPS.

I wouldn’t hesitate to use a .25-20 for any deer. I would say, however, I was killing deer with a .222 before it became trendy and have killed them with a.22 WMR as well. I’ve killed a lot of deer, including a number of wallhangers and, no matter what I’m using or how big (or small) the deer, I don’t get all shook up over it and I don’t shoot at running deer or take other Hail Mary shots.

Given the current state of affairs in.25-20 land, I would recommend laying in a supply of.32-20 brass and a mold to cast 85 grain flat points.

Have fun.

I have (3) Winchester 92s in 25-20, made in 1900, 1907, and 1910.

One with a Winchester made replacement barrel sold to gunsmiths... too much headspace
One with a Winchester made replacement barrel sold to gunsmiths... too little headspace
One with an original Winchester made barrel with just the right headspace... but eroded breech face

I had to take apart the gun and clean a pound of dirt out of it.
I had to make a low pressure load so the primer would not pop in the bad breech face.
I had to use a magnum primer to get a thicker primer cup.
I had to find a bullet short enough that would stabilize in the slow twist barrel.
I had to figure out how to neck down 32-20 brass without crushing.
I had to make a non invasive clamp on pistol scope mount.



2013:


12 gr Lil'Gun 75 gr Sierra hollow point .257 bullets #1600, 1.9" OAL [barely touching the lands] must be loaded single shot into the 1900 vintage Winchester 1892 rifle with 2X Leupold pistol scope. At 12.3 gr it looks like the old black powder firing pin and enlarged firing pin hole are about to bust the CCI 450 small rifle magnum primer bubble, so I backed off 0.3 gr and loaded some. I would like to run it at 40 kpsi, but bushing the firing pin would be work.



25-20 at 100 yards

I’d love to reload for this rifle but I doubt I’ll shot more than 50 rounds over the next 5-10 years. I reload for quite a few other rifles but I feel the investment vs actually shooting will be very small. Looking at factory ammo it’s like trying to find gold in Florida. If anybody has any leads please let me know. Not looking to hoard, just a box or two for the next 10 years.

Also please report animals taken and distance. I really hope to take a blacktail come August.

Mule deer,

I will take a look at that bore coating. The rifle shoots really well, just a pain to get the lead out. I've threatened to put a liner in the barrel, as collectibility is not a factor, but can't bring myself to do it yet. During a cowboy shoot the stage required us to shoot a logging chain that was simulating the hangman noose. After the third shot the guys yelled at me to move on, the bullets were going through the large links with barely a wiggle of the chain, I couldn't see it. They did the same stage the following year and I borrowed a .45 for that stage.

I'd sure want a heavier blood trail than what I saw in that excellent video. I loaned my 1892 .25-20 to a guy who wanted to hunt the outskirts of the city limits and while he didn't shoot anything, I did get an extra box of cartridges out of the deal and a standing offer to buy my rifle. While a .25-20 would probably work under ideal conditions, my opportunities are often less than ideal and I want more than a minimalist cartridge. A fun gun to shoot, but I haven't found exactly what that is where I hunt.

Sounds like a fun gun! Be a good excuse to go chase Javelina!

I've had fun with my 25-20, a Remington m25r. Neat little 4lb carbine that looks like:

25-20 can take deer, but also won't mutilate a rabbit. I have loaded the 75 grain Speer and the 70 grain Sierra Blitzking.

I shoot two .25-20's: a 1910-vintage Winchester Low Wall in .25-20 Single Shot (with a Lyman 5A scope), and a Savage 219 in .25-20WCF. Cast bullets only in both of them: a plain base for sub-1400fps loads and a gas checked design for stiffer loads, both 85 grains. The Low Wall barrel was lined with a 1-10" twist tube so I hold high hopes for it to perform ok with a 100 grain bullet for which I have a mold also.

Deer hunting? If I absolutely had to, but not by choice.

If you think .25-20WCF brass is hard to find, you haven't lived until you start feeding a .25-20 Single Shot. Hence the mostly low vel loads in order to not stress the brass. Next step: breech seating bullets ahead of the case, and merely re-charging a single piece of brass repeatedly at the range (no re-sizing) which is a formula for nigh infinite case life (and greatly increased accuracy).

Have an ancient Marlin levermatic .25-20 Win originally chambered for the .25-20 Marlin and a Stevens 44 in .25-20 SS. Both shoot an Ideal 257283 quite well. Something around 200 rds loaded for the Marlin and another 600 empty cases. Pretty much do what Gnoahhh said and neither would be a first choice for deer.

That said, I know a fella that whacked a magnificent bull elk with a Colt Woodsman. No tracking required.

A bull African elephant has been taken with a 22LR.
We use the best rifle we can carry and then justify it.

Ive never used one...but know people that use them every year as woods guns with perfect satisfaction.

People have been known to shoot black bear with them up here as well.

I’ve always wanted one of the little single shot Husqvarna rifles in 25-20 or one of those Remington 25R pumps but never seen one in person.

All I know is I've sold well over a hundred guns and if I could only have one back it would be my Marlin 1894 25-20

Shot my last deer with a Marlin 1894CL in 25-20, neck shot, stood up on its hind legs and kicked its front legs and then dropped

6 inch Contender from SSK, 75 Speer flat point ,Tightgroup...subsonic. AA2015 will go 1400fps. The Speer is kind of hard but shoots cloverleafs at 50 yards...mix or match. I could see taking a deer with it Alaska Style...I have Nickel reformed 32/20 brass for the Deer Load and plain brass for the Grouse Load. 4X Leupold pistol scope but use to have a 2X both have disadvantages Might go with a red dot for Jungle Use.

My father's favorite gun was a m-92 Winchester in .25-20 WCF When he passed on, he left it to me. He had ordered a higher front sight for it many years back because he wanted to shoot the 60 grain OPE bullet as mostly the gun was for hunting jack rabbits in the corn rows in the winter. On one occasion (around 1932) he used it in northern Minnesota to take three whitetails with three shots in about five seconds. One was a 10 pointer that still hangs in the shop today. Two years later Minnesota outlawed it for deer and my father wound up with a Savage M-99 in .303 Savage and traded it for a new Savage M-99 in .308 Winchester about 1958. That old .25-20 is still hunting today (made in 1917) as I gave it along with 400 rounds of 60 grain ammo to his great grandson.

I took the gun to Africa and used it on duiker, springbok and a dik dik. The discontinuance of the loading of the 60 grain OPE was a blow to my dad as it was his favorite load and he still had a few left when he passed on. I took to reloading the Hornady 60 grain flat point with great success but watched for many years for the 60 grain OPE......and sure enough after about thirty years I found about 300 of them and immediately reloaded them in new cases and as stated earlier gave them to the current owner.

In it's day the .25-20 was considered a varmint round.....fox was a favorite target as well as jack rabbits and a few wood chucks. It even was used for squirrels but was a bit much for them.

I'll never cease to be amazed that the .25-20 held it's own as a varmint cartridge in the days of the .22 Savage high power, .250-3000, .257 Roberts and the .219 Zipper......but some guns seem to survive regardless of their performance on paper! Long live the .25-20 WCF!!!

I have a Winchester 25-20 barrel in my barrel box.Patten date October 14 1884. I was told it came of a 92.

I've probably put more rounds through my old '94 Marlin than all the rest of my rifles combined. Inherited it from my Grandfather over 30 years ago, built in 1906. I had a liner put in because the bore looked like a sewer line. I've only put a few jacketed bullets through it, it prefers cast bullets and so do I. Of all the powders tried, 4198 has been most accurate in this rifle, either brand. I used to run it hot with the Lyman 257420gc bullet, then a group buy mold throwing an 80 grain, gas checked, tumble lube bullet. Now I've been using the NOE 260283 built without gas check shank at a reduced speed to take it easy on the old rifle. Still using 4198

I have an 1892 Winchester built in 1907 with an original Winchester 1927 octagonal stainless steel barrel. Do you know anything about the stainless barrel. It a peears to be a parts barrel by the markings and it also appears to be threaded for a Maxim silencer.
It's a great little fun rifle that I love playing with.
The load I currently use is an 86gn cast flat nose projectile with 3.4 grains of trailboss. It's a very accurate little rifle.
I have just managed to get 200 Hornady 60gn flat nose to load in it so it should work well. The other load I use is 13gn H4198 being the 70gn speer flat point.
I have just ordered a Pearson no drill rai and I'm going to mount a scout scope to bring out the rifles full potential.
The 25-20 is a great little round that I'm looking forward to using in the field
Bob

I dont think its a good idea to shoot deer with a 25-20. Betting they have wounded way more than killed.
Step up to a 32-20 like I have !(kidding). Not a deer cartridge either.

I owned a Marlin 1894 cl shot a few rabbits, a woodchuck and a porpine. I hunted deer with it a few days,as it shot lights out, only saw a fawn at 20 yards. I knew I could have killed it, but let him walk. I foolish sold it, one of the ones you wish you could have back.

I had one of the 1894CLs in 25-20 as well as one in Bee. I regret trading off the 25-20, not so much the Bee. I parted with both of them when little flat noses got hard to find 10-ish years back.

150 is a long shot for it, especially on a deer. I'd pop a deer with one, but at a distance more like 50, maybe 75yards dead broadside. Never used mine deer hunting though. Only things I ever remember shooting with it were targets and a couple possums.

Mine was pretty accurate with the Speer 75 grainers and IMR4227. It also shot cast bullets with Unique (iirc, been a lot of years ago and I mostly shot jackets) fairly well. That was back before I had a chronograph though, so I don't know how fast they were going.

Great thread. Enjoyed the reading! Thanks!