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Posted By: Pugs Whatever happened to Warren Page? - 12/27/22
Well, he's dead, yes I know that. But given the other interesting threads on alive gunwriters I'm curious about thoughts or experiences with him. The first book I ever bought with my own money was Jim Carmichel's The Modern Rifle and the 2nd was a paperback copy of Page's The accurate rifle.

He was an interesting guy and one of the few with both extensive hunting as well as technical knowledge. His writing, as I recall, was a bit dry but always interesting and he was guns editor for F&S for 24 years. Major influencer on the 7mm Rem Mag and passed at the early age of 67.

https://www.nytimes.com/1977/01/24/...editor-of-field-and-stream-magazine.html

Anyone have any experiences with him?
I met him when I was in my early 20’s at an NRA show. He was definitely the perfect example of an eastern school master/yankee. Not particularly outgoing but very knowledgeable. I was working in Joe Oakley’s booth and he came by to look at some English blanks. Monty Kennedy introduced us and that helped getting the conversation started.
I never knew him but I always liked his writing, he was very informative and easy to read. IMO every shooter interested in accuracy should have a copy of The Accurate Rifle.

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He was the only gunwriter who my Father thought much of because he was more technical than most and my Father was a detail oriented guy.
"The Accurate Rifle" was one of my earliest gun books as well. I found him very easy to read, both his magazine articles and his book. One small thing I remember from "The Accurate Rifle" was his opinion that cleaning primer pockets was a waste of time.
Mule Deer wrote an article about Warren Page a few years back. If I recall, he and AJ McClane had both applied for the fishing editor position, which went to McClane, so Page and Field & Stream went with plan B.
One Man’s Wilderness was his only book on hunting IIRC. He made the 7mm Mashburn a popular wildcat and tried to get Remington to adopt it. That effort failed when they went with the necked up 264 Win mag case. He hunted the world and shot all types of game, and was heavily into benchrest shooting.
Originally Posted by cra1948
"The Accurate Rifle" was one of my earliest gun books as well. I found him very easy to read, both his magazine articles and his book. One small thing I remember from "The Accurate Rifle" was his opinion that cleaning primer pockets was a waste of time.

I know I read somewhere long ago that he bet a fellow BR competitor that he could go an entire season without cleaning a single primer pocket, which he did and with zero impact on his shooting. Won the bet.
He's been dead for decades but I read much of what he wrote in the '60s when I began reading gun magazines. Very practical guy, not one for fads. "The Accurate Rifle" is certainly dated but still well worth reading. Page was easily among the top writers of his era. My favorites were Bob Hagel and Ken Waters; Page wasn't far behind.
The chapter in 'The Accurate Rifle' titled: 'Shooting Through The Swimming Pool' dealing with mirage is pure gold.

His sense of humor is evident in his fist sentence of the chapter on bedding: "As in life, in rifles most of the good things and many of the bad things happen in bed."

Required reading for hunters and shooters of all levels.

Good shootin' -Al
Originally Posted by RinB
I met him when I was in my early 20’s at an NRA show. He was definitely the perfect example of an eastern school master/yankee...


Well, you just killed his credibility with a good portion of the 'fire.
Originally Posted by 5sdad
Originally Posted by RinB
I met him when I was in my early 20’s at an NRA show. He was definitely the perfect example of an eastern school master/yankee...


Well, you just killed his credibility with a good portion of the 'fire.

Well, he was a Harvard graduate and did teach school.
Originally Posted by cra1948
"The Accurate Rifle" was one of my earliest gun books as well. I found him very easy to read, both his magazine articles and his book. One small thing I remember from "The Accurate Rifle" was his opinion that cleaning primer pockets was a waste of time.

That wasn't such a small thing! I quit cleaning primer pockets after reading it, long ago, when I purchased The Accurate Rifle. (Also have a well-worn copy of One Man's Wilderness. Apparently Page was the only major gun writer of his era to hunt in Africa on his own, at least as far as somebody could then, not going with a major safari company--at least on some hunts.) I was also impressed by how he tested a lot of bullets in New Zealand during a major culling trip--which is one thing I have also tried to do, both in NZ and elsewhere.
Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by 5sdad
Originally Posted by RinB
I met him when I was in my early 20’s at an NRA show. He was definitely the perfect example of an eastern school master/yankee...


Well, you just killed his credibility with a good portion of the 'fire.

Well, he was a Harvard graduate and did teach school.

You're making it worse! grin
I liked his two 6mm cases better than the two factory designs, the one on the .308 case and the one on the 7 x 57 case that he took to New Zealand.
Interesting thread. I purchased THE ACCURATE RIFLE book in a used book store some months ago and put it in the den book shelves with intent to read later.

Going to start reading it tonight.
Warren Page also developed the 240 Page Super Pooper by necking down the then new 308W case. He presented it to Winchester but they turned it down....and then released it as the 243 Winchester. -Al
Originally Posted by Al_Nyhus
Warren Page also developed the 240 Page Super Pooper by necking down the then new 308W case. He presented it to Winchester but they turned it down....and then released it as the 243 Winchester. -Al
Al, the neck-down of the .308 was the .240 Page Pooper. The .240 "Souper Pooper" was a neck-down and shoulder blow-out of the 7 x 57 case - named as such because he wanted something that would "poop" on the .25 Souper which was the .308 necked down to .25 which some argued was superior to his .240 Page Pooper on the .308 case.
Yup, I also have an old copy of the " The Accurate rifle"
Every page has been dog eared, much of it underlined and later highlighted. I have loaned it out quite alot.
I think Warren fit into the correct mold for a gunwriter of the day, probably very blunt, a little cranky and deaf.

He developed some interesting and durable chambering ideas , the Mashburn must of been a fierce thing to shoot with a 22" barrel
God rest his soul
Wasnt he a big 22 Hornet fanatic? Or am I thinking about another gun writer?
And one more interesting thing. After many years developing .243's and .244's and testing on various animals he said (in the context of African game): "These real lightweights belong on the seventy-five to two-hundred-pound animals like puku, impala, Tommies, Grants, and such and only on them." And they should "be used in Africa by people both highly sensitive to recoil and not insensitive to the appeal of common sense."
Originally Posted by Jericho
Wasnt he a big 22 Hornet fanatic? Or am I thinking about another gun writer?
Townsend Whelen was.
Page won the Weatherby award.
He was an avid hunter of very big mule deer. He hunted them during the late season in the “four corners” where Utah Arizona Colorado and New Mexico came together. In those days you could buy four late season tags and take four really big mule deer.
His favorite outfit for those hunts was a 6.5-270 Improved. Gene Simillion has the original reamer. 22” bbl & 140 Partitions.
Originally Posted by RinB
Page won the Weatherby award.
He was an avid hunter of very big mule deer. He hunted them during the late season in the “four corners” where Utah Arizona Colorado and New Mexico came together. In those days you could buy four late season tags and take four really big mule deer.
His favorite outfit for those hunts was a 6.5-270 Improved. Gene Simillion has the original reamer. 22” bbl & 140 Partitions.

That sounds like a ripper 6.5 Rick. I think I could do a bunch of hunting with such a rifle myself.

Sounds near the 6.5 RPM.
Gene Simillion also has an original 7mm Mashburn reamer that he got from Keith Stegall, who built a rifle or two for Page.
Originally Posted by Riflehunter
Originally Posted by Al_Nyhus
Warren Page also developed the 240 Page Super Pooper by necking down the then new 308W case. He presented it to Winchester but they turned it down....and then released it as the 243 Winchester. -Al
Al, the neck-down of the .308 was the .240 Page Pooper. The .240 "Souper Pooper" was a neck-down and shoulder blow-out of the 7 x 57 case - named as such because he wanted something that would "poop" on the .25 Souper which was the .308 necked down to .25 which some argued was superior to his .240 Page Pooper on the .308 case.

Yes...you're correct on the Pooper/Super Pooper cartridges.

It's a shame the 25 Souper (25-308) never made it into production.

Good shootin' smile -Al
My dad flew the backcountry here in Montana as a pilot for hire. Sometime around 1954 or 55 Warren Page had dad fly him to elk camp in Cody, WY. Page showed up at the Billings airport with around a dozen rifles! Dad said he was an excellent conversationalist which made for an enjoyable flight.
Brad,

That had to be when Page hunted with Les Bowman, another rifle loony and frequent gun writer. No doubt they did some "test shooting" together at Bowman's place!
I had one of his rifles. A .25 super on a Mauser action with a Timney trigger, a Douglas #2 air gauged barrel sitting in a Fajen stock. It sure was pretty. A friend of mine that was a gunsmith and an occasional writer for a few gun rags now has it. We have wacked a few critters with it.
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Brad,

That had to be when Page hunted with Les Bowman, another rifle loony and frequent gun writer. No doubt they did some "test shooting" together at Bowman's place!

John, I always assumed it was Bowman's camp!
Might have been Bowman's ranch, where he had an airstrip, and of course shooting ranges. If I recall correctly, Bowman horsepacked his hunters into the hunting camp from there--but it's been a while since I read about it.
Great stories Brad and John. A time when I got a snippet of it in Craig Colorado in high school (I will be 61 tomorrow). I missed a very large mule deer there knowing nothing about hunting mule deer let alone shooting a rifle well. Too funny looking back. This from a California Bay Area boy.
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Might have been Bowman's ranch, where he had an airstrip, and of course shooting ranges. If I recall correctly, Bowman horsepacked his hunters into the hunting camp from there--but it's been a while since I read about it.


I need to pin my dad down where he flew him to. He may or may not remember, as he's just 2 mo's away from his 94th birthday.
Originally Posted by EdM
Great stories Brad and John. A time when I got a snippet of it in Craig Colorado in high school (I will be 61 tomorrow). I missed a very large mule deer there knowing nothing about hunting mule deer let alone shooting a rifle well. Too funny looking back. This from a California Bay Area boy.

Happy Birthday Ed! We're the same age (I turned 61 in June).
Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by EdM
Great stories Brad and John. A time when I got a snippet of it in Craig Colorado in high school (I will be 61 tomorrow). I missed a very large mule deer there knowing nothing about hunting mule deer let alone shooting a rifle well. Too funny looking back. This from a California Bay Area boy.

Happy Birthday Ed! We're the same age (I turned 61 in June).

I turned 61 last October.
How did I not see this thread earlier. Great comments fellas!
For anyone who is a researcher, Warren Page's family donated his personal papers to the American Heritage Center at University of Wyoming. They are open to the public for research. An index to them is available here

https://archiveswest.orbiscascade.org/ark:80444/xv777427

I suspect there is some insight into the professional man here.

Happy New Year to all.
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