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Posted By: ldholton unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
bought some gun stuff and a lot of gunsmithing stuff today lots of clymer reamers in this stuff.
but some unusual chamberings these three are what caught me most for unusual.
22-30 carbine
17 - 9 mm Luger
14- 25 ACP

also in the not normally seen much 5.56x51
Posted By: Spotshooter Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
You should ask the smith if you can get the print book on those reamers…

All customs have specific prints, and most non-customs as well because there are multiple reamers per cartridge.. I think PTG has over a dozen 308 reamer specs…
Posted By: ldholton Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
Originally Posted by Spotshooter
You should ask the smith if you can get the print book on those reamers…

All customs have specific prints, and most non-customs as well because there are multiple reamers per cartridge.. I think PTG has over a dozen 308 reamer specs…
well the guy that these did belong to is in the process of passing away from brain tumor... so I would be on my own with the manufacturer but there are numbers on these I do believe that might be of some help?
Posted By: ldholton Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
there was also reamers for 44 mag neck down to 6 mm and 44 mag neck down to 22.
Posted By: TeeBone Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
I recall M1 carbine conversions to the 22 or 5.7 Spitfire, which I believe used a .224 bullet and the 30 Carbine case.
Posted By: ldholton Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
Originally Posted by TeeBone
I recall M1 carbine conversions to the 22 or 5.7 Spitfire, which I believe used a .224 bullet and the 30 Carbine case.
yes I am doing some googling looking up different stuff and that's exactly what I just found 22 spitfire..
Posted By: cra1948 Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
Originally Posted by ldholton
bought some gun stuff and a lot of gunsmithing stuff today lots of clymer reamers in this stuff.
but some unusual chamberings these three are what caught me most for unusual.
22-30 carbine
17 - 9 mm Luger
14- 25 ACP

also in the not normally seen much 5.56x51

The 17-9mm and 14-.25 ACP sound really out there, but I recall a Rifle or Handloader article from (I think) the 70’s about the .22-.30 Carbine as a cartridge to turn M1 carbines into varmint rifles. Don’t know if the idea got much traction then and it probably wouldn’t today, with the plethora of sem-auto varmint rifles available and the value of original M1 carbines.
Posted By: 260Remguy Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
Originally Posted by TeeBone
I recall M1 carbine conversions to the 22 or 5.7 Spitfire, which I believe used a .224 bullet and the 30 Carbine case.

I recall reading an article some years back that claimed that this cartridge was developed by Melvin Johnson, the Johnson of Johnson Automatic Rifle fame, for the South Vietnamese Army. Johnson apparently though that the small statured Vietnamese soldiers would be better armed with converted M-2 Carbines in 5.7 Spitfire then with the M-1 Carbines and Garands that we were supplying to them with at the time.
Posted By: mart Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
I believe the 44 mag necked down to 22 was called the 22 Stark.
Posted By: keith Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
44 mag necked down to 17 was popular for a while using TC and Martini actions.

Also, the 17 Javelina
Posted By: 260Remguy Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
Some wildcats come from somebody's fertile mind, some fill a perceived need, and some are a reaction to a worn bore. My oddest is a Savage 1899CD that was rebored from .38-55 to .40-55 at some point in the distant past which I assume was done to give new life to good rifle with a worn or corroded bore.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
Originally Posted by ldholton
17 - 9 mm Luger
14- 25 ACP
Those sound like amazing PITAs to form.
Is there some special technique needed to get those necked down?
Posted By: ldholton Re: unusual chamberings - 07/24/23
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by ldholton
17 - 9 mm Luger
14- 25 ACP
Those sound like amazing PITAs to form.
Is there some special technique needed to get those necked down?
did a little Google work. apparently at 25 ACP case they necked on down to 10 and 12 caliber. one article was talking about for the 10 copper that were shooting small pieces of copper wire for a bullet.
Posted By: RalphBeagle Re: unusual chamberings - 07/29/23
I have a Rem 700 chambered to 22 spitfire. The cartridge goes by various names including the 22/30, 5.7 Johnson, 5.7 MMJ [Melvin M Johnson's initials], and 22-30. It's listed in Cartridges of the world. I use it for walking around prairie dog towns. Fun gun to shoot, little noise, no recoil and easy to hit a prairie dog with up to a couple hundred yards. If I recall ballistics aren't all that different than the 22 fireball or the 5.7 x 28, but I could be wrong on that. I have a set of Lyman dies for it that I bought off the net somewhere. Necked down 30 carbine brass in one step losing 2-3 cases out of 500 to crushed necks. I do remember the smith wanted to have both the dies and reamer when chambering it to make sure the dimensions matched up (or something like that).
Posted By: Tyrone Re: unusual chamberings - 07/29/23
Originally Posted by ldholton
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by ldholton
17 - 9 mm Luger
14- 25 ACP
Those sound like amazing PITAs to form.
Is there some special technique needed to get those necked down?
did a little Google work. apparently at 25 ACP case they necked on down to 10 and 12 caliber. one article was talking about for the 10 copper that were shooting small pieces of copper wire for a bullet.
How would you get powder in that?
Posted By: Jason280 Re: unusual chamberings - 07/29/23
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How would you get powder in that?

One stick at a time??

Lol, maybe like some of the old WWII .303 British cases I've pulled down with spaghetti noodle looking powder...almost looks like the powder was loaded in place, then the cartridge case necked down over and bullet seated.
Posted By: boatanchor Re: unusual chamberings - 07/29/23
I guess the most unusual chambering I have come across was I rifle I bought many years ago chambered in "240 Olson".
Never heard of another to this day, I did a chamber cast and never figured out what it was formed from. No big deal the barrel was rough anyway and the only reason I bought the rifle in the first place was for the action. A true single shot Whitworth Mauser action with a custom trigger of unknown origin, never seen another like it.
Has spent the last 20 years as a 6mm-284 but the barrel is toast, trying to figure out what oddball chambered barrel to put on it next
Posted By: ldholton Re: unusual chamberings - 07/29/23
Originally Posted by boatanchor
I guess the most unusual chambering I have come across was I rifle I bought many years ago chambered in "240 Olson".
Never heard of another to this day, I did a chamber cast and never figured out what it was formed from. No big deal the barrel was rough anyway and the only reason I bought the rifle in the first place was for the action. A true single shot Whitworth Mauser action with a custom trigger of unknown origin, never seen another like it.
Has spent the last 20 years as a 6mm-284 but the barrel is toast, trying to figure out what oddball chambered barrel to put on it next
how about a 22-284 got a reamer for that. finish reamer brand new never used.
or maybe you want to just bore that barrel and make it a 35-284 got a finish reamer for that
Posted By: IndyCA35 Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Originally Posted by Jason280
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How would you get powder in that?

.almost looks like the powder was loaded in place, then the cartridge case necked down over and bullet seated.

That's how it was done. The powder was clled cordite.
Posted By: MartinStrummer Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Looking at the "Used" rack at a gun store in Dallas.
A tag caught my eye and I asked the kid if I could see the rifle.
He handed me a custom built .333 G&H Magnum!
Posted By: Jason280 Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
One of the (somewhat) local pawn shops has a Savage 110 rebarreled in some sort of proprietary Lazzeroni round, I *believe* 7.82 Patriot...no brass or dies available with the rifle, will probably have to be rebarreled again in order to make it something remotely useful.
Posted By: Mule Deer Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Jason280
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How would you get powder in that?

.almost looks like the powder was loaded in place, then the cartridge case necked down over and bullet seated.

That's how it was done. The powder was clled cordite.

Yep! I have some .303 ammo loaded with Cordite. In those the "powder" actually resembles spaghettini more than than spaghetti--and far more than "noodles."
Posted By: geedubya Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
One I messed with way back in the day!



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Never had much luck with the "blue barnes bullets" (XLC) in regards to accuracy!


"Not long after the .338 Lapua was introduced, Ross Seyfried quickly wrote of the uncanny similarity of the new cartridge with his mentor’s .338-378 Keith-Thomson, albeit without the latter cartridge’s belt. It appears that Seyfried was closer to the truth than most imagine.

The .338-378 KT was based upon a shortened .378 Weatherby case necked down for .338″ projectiles. R.W. (Bob) Thomson reportedly wanted to use the full-length .378 Weatherby case, but Elmer Keith claimed responsibility for the idea of trimming the case. RCBS made the dies, Keith Francis made the reamers, and Bruce Hodgdon performed the earliest load development

The earliest rifles chambered for the new cartridge were built by Champlin-Haskins Firearms. Keith, Thomson, Bill Jordan, and George Gelman were among the first recipients. Bill Jordan stated that he was there when Thomson and Keith first proposed the idea. Thomson evidently had received his .338-378 KT Champlin-Haskins early enough for a late 1968 hunt. However, Jordan didn’t receive his ‘Keith-grade’ KT, until 1969."


https://scatteredshots.com/2021/11/15/connecting-the-dots-from-the-338-378-kt-to-the-338-lapua/

ya!

GWB
Posted By: JSTUART Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Originally Posted by ldholton
Originally Posted by TeeBone
I recall M1 carbine conversions to the 22 or 5.7 Spitfire, which I believe used a .224 bullet and the 30 Carbine case.
yes I am doing some googling looking up different stuff and that's exactly what I just found 22 spitfire..


Excellent cartridge, I had a ZKW465 reamed for the Spitfire. 40 gr BT at 3400 fps with AR2205 was no problem and no issues, used the original Brno barrel and it shot very well.
Posted By: shrapnel Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
When you are serious, try finding the components for a Sako factory chambering of 7X33.
Posted By: JSTUART Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Originally Posted by shrapnel
When you are serious, try finding the components for a Sako factory chambering of 7X33.


7x33 brass


Generally available from a few sources here.
Posted By: JSTUART Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Shrap, if you have a Sako peep sight laying around is there any chance you could measure the widest part of the dovetail, and the outside from side to side.
Posted By: shrapnel Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
I can get the measurements when I get home from camping.

I don’t live in Western Australia, so brass is still unobtainium. I had to get it made from 30-30 brass and the bullets had to be hand made with some other stuff…




Originally Posted by JSTUART
Shrap, if you have a Sako peep sight laying around is there any chance you could measure the widest part of the dovetail, and the outside from side to side.
Posted By: JSTUART Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Originally Posted by shrapnel
I can get the measurements when I get home from camping.

I don’t live in Western Australia, so brass is still unobtainium. I had to get it made from 30-30 brass and the bullets had to be hand made with some other stuff…




Originally Posted by JSTUART
Shrap, if you have a Sako peep sight laying around is there any chance you could measure the widest part of the dovetail, and the outside from side to side.


Rebels is in Canberra...try to avoid the West if you can
Posted By: boatanchor Re: unusual chamberings - 07/30/23
Originally Posted by ldholton
Originally Posted by boatanchor
I guess the most unusual chambering I have come across was I rifle I bought many years ago chambered in "240 Olson".
Never heard of another to this day, I did a chamber cast and never figured out what it was formed from. No big deal the barrel was rough anyway and the only reason I bought the rifle in the first place was for the action. A true single shot Whitworth Mauser action with a custom trigger of unknown origin, never seen another like it.
Has spent the last 20 years as a 6mm-284 but the barrel is toast, trying to figure out what oddball chambered barrel to put on it next
how about a 22-284 got a reamer for that. finish reamer brand new never used.
or maybe you want to just bore that barrel and make it a 35-284 got a finish reamer for that

Back in the day I did have a 22-284 several years before the 6mm-284. without question the shortest barrel life of anything I have ever tried. To add to the disappointment velocity was never close to advertised. in this case ( literally) too much is just too much.
On the positive side it kept me from tinkering with the "Eargensplitzenloudenboomer" that is even a worse idea grin
Posted By: pete53 Re: unusual chamberings - 07/31/23
Originally Posted by boatanchor
Originally Posted by ldholton
Originally Posted by boatanchor
I guess the most unusual chambering I have come across was I rifle I bought many years ago chambered in "240 Olson".
Never heard of another to this day, I did a chamber cast and never figured out what it was formed from. No big deal the barrel was rough anyway and the only reason I bought the rifle in the first place was for the action. A true single shot Whitworth Mauser action with a custom trigger of unknown origin, never seen another like it.
Has spent the last 20 years as a 6mm-284 but the barrel is toast, trying to figure out what oddball chambered barrel to put on it next
how about a 22-284 got a reamer for that. finish reamer brand new never used.
or maybe you want to just bore that barrel and make it a 35-284 got a finish reamer for that

Back in the day I did have a 22-284 several years before the 6mm-284. without question the shortest barrel life of anything I have ever tried. To add to the disappointment velocity was never close to advertised. in this case ( literally) too much is just too much.
On the positive side it kept me from tinkering with the "Eargensplitzenloudenboomer" that is even a worse idea grin

i always wanted a 22x284 but never built one . but i do have 2 - 6mmx284`s they shoot 4,000 FPS with a 65 gr. Hornady V-Max bullet both are very accurate ,but i am sure both are barrel burners too.
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