The .348 in the Model 71 Winchester immediately comes to mind--except I have heard that some High Walls were also chambered for the .348. .224, .240, .378, .416 and .460 Weatherby? .700 Nitro Express? 7mm Remington Express (really reaching there, obviously)?

.376 Steyr?

Did all of the Lazzeroni's make it over to Savage? Or are you talking made it into one rifle model and model only or manufacturer? Dunno - never followed them at all.

Maybe the 22 Winchester Auto or the 22 Remington Automatic Cartridge?

Wasn't it one of the B.S. cartridges?

I once saw some sort of .22LR that was caseless. Basically the ammo was long plastic tubes with them in there like peas in a long pod. Saw it when I went thru hunter's safety back a million years ago. Wish I could remember it but I doubt 25 different mfg's made that one.

How about the case less 22-250 that Remington put in a special M-700

303 Savage, unless you differentiate the M1899 and the M1895.

Just some wild-assed guesses, but...

.280 Ross / 1905 Ross?

.56-56 Spencer / Spencer Repeater

I think a couple of the Newton rounds were only available in the 1st Model Newton (weren't chambered in the later "Buffalo" Newton

.351 and .401 Winchester Self loader in the Winchester recoil operated semi-auto rifle (forgot the model designation.

.25-36 Marlin / Marlin 1893?

Would you make a differentiation between the Savage 1895 / 1899 / 99 in .303 Savage?


edit: Was the .33 Winchester available in more than one model??

How about .351 Win, .401 Win, .35 Win.?

How about whatever was in the Etronix?

The whole Newton line; 22, 256, 280, 30, 35, and 40.
The Savage 22 High Power and 303 Savage in the Savage 99 line.
The 307 Winchester in the Winchester 94 Big Bore.
The 22 Winchester Automatic in the Winchester 1903.
The 22 Remington Automatic in the Remington 16.
The Daisy caseless 22 in the Daisy ??
The 5mm Rem Mag in the Remington 591 and 592. The production volume was so small that it might as well have been 1 rifle.

Jeff

Any one but Weatherby running off 30-378's?

Didn't Ruger offer a limited run of tang safety 77's in .256 Newton?

I'm pretty sure that Marlin chambered the 336 in .307 Win. briefly.

The .22 High power was chambered in some European rifles and designated as the 5.56 x 53R.

Teal- I think that was Daisy VL-22 ammo. If I remember correctly, it used a jet of hot, compressed air to fire it and was .22 with a bullet that looked like that of a .22 short or long with a little tail on it to hold the propellant. Seems like it was around '65 to '70 or so.
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I haven't seen the 450 Marlin in anything but the Marlin 1895.

375 Win?

Come to think of it, was the .225 Winchester ever offered commercially in anything other than the Mod. 70?

And... The .256 Win. I'm pretty sure the only Rifle ever offered in it was a Marlin lever.

5mm Remington ?

Yes it was

i believe the Steyr SBS was chambered in .450 Marlin. never seen one though.

50-110 Express in the 1886 Winchester?

Wayne

Savage 99 and Model 94 Big Bore.

Didn't Savage offer the 425 Express when that cartridge first came out?

Winchester had one of their special Safari Grade M-70's in 470 Capstick. That's the only commercial rifle in that cartridge, I think.

Sako 75/85 in the 9.3x66 (or 370 Sako Mag. if you prefer).

Winchester 94

Savage 99A

Ruger No. 3

Browning BLR

7-30 Waters (let's say contender barrels aren't rifles)?

Ruger No. 1?

Most interesting thread in a long time....

.225 Win, was also offered in the Savage 340

Ruger never cataloged a 77 in 256 Newton.
Marlin may have cataloged, but never made the 336ER in 307.
Although the 22HP was chambered in Europe, Savage was the only American manufacturer to catalog them.

Jeff

Trounds.

Gyrojet.

Was the .44 AutoMag ever commerically chambered in anything but the Automag?

Oops, these are all pistols. Oh well.

7 x 61 Sharpe & Hart / Schultz & Larson M-60?

I think Sako had it in the TRG???

Valmet 412 double rifles were made in the 375 Win.

Yes: M995 TRG/S Magnum. I had one. Fine rifle, it is.

The Nosler 48 is the only rifle I've heard of commercially chambered in the .280 AI.

The Kimber of Oregon Model 84 was offered in some different chamberings, don't know if anyone else ever commercially offered these:
6X45
6X47
.25 Copperhead (don't know if that was actually offered, I may have read where someone just had his chambered to this.)

30 T/C in the Icon

6mm Lee Navy?
577 Martini/Henry?
40-82?
50-110 Express?
35 Win?
Some of the old Sharpes cartridges?

Also the Model 65 and probably the Model 54 as well.

303 enfield?

256 Winchester, in rifles. Throw all three BigBore 94's in there too: 307, 357, 375.

Gadfly;
Thank you for confirming my faulty memory this evening.

I was "sure" I'd handled a drop block Ruger in .375 sometime in my distant past.

Thanks again, have a good week and good luck in your upcoming hunts.

Regards,
Dwayne

BC30cal- A neighbor of mine has one that I have shot a time or two. Only one that I've seen in person. Thank you for your well wishes, and good luck to you as well.

More on the Newton Cartridges: http://www.newtonarmscompany.com/

Apparently, the .256 Newton was offered in three distinctly different models: the 1914 (Mauser 98 action), 1st Mod. Newton (1916), and the 2nd Mod. "Buffalo Newton" (1922). From the info in the link above, the only cartridge that can be definitively limited to just one model is the .280 Newton (2nd Model).

John, I could have SWORN -98% sure- I saw a 338 Federal at the SHOT show in a Ruger #1A, but perhaps I am wrong. Jerry's wholesale had product codes for it, yet it never materialized. Not much a history buff on the older stuff.

I'm going to take a stab at this one without looking at the rest of the thread. As a qualifier, I accept that some cartridges have been available in special runs recently but, to me, this doesn't count. I'll also stick to the smokeless powder era. So here goes.
the 33 Winchester. The 40-72, the 405 Winchester. The 351 and 401 SL. The 348. The 7x61 S&H. If we ignore a bunch of European doubles and combination guns, the 22 Savage Hi Power.
That's all I can think of off the top of my sparsely covered head. GD

Kimber offered the .257 Kimber (1 year???), not the Copperhead, but the difference between the two cartridges is minscule.

Cooper rifles are available in .280 AI, 6x45, 6x47 and a host of other not too common calibers according to their website.

The only one I could think of off the top of my head is .307 winchester. I think it was only offered in the model 94.

Does the .30-'03 count?

Model 1895 Winchester was chambered for 30-03, I believe.

Bruce

One of the commercial variations of the M1 Carbine was chambered in 256 Win.

Bruce

Anyone besides Marlin chamber the 308 and 338 Marlin cartridges?

Bruce

Thinking Marlin chambered the .375 Win, but maybe not. Not sure about the .356 Win. though, that might be a one hit wonder.

.350 Rem Mag????? .35 Whelen?

Greydog, the .405 Win. was chambered in the Ruger #1 not too long ago

Seen that one in Martinis SMLEs P-14s, and W.D.M. Bell had Fraser of Edinburgh build him one in semi auto, plus I read of a Fraser Single shot...and now we have the Ruger #1..
FWIW

Ingwe

Marlin did the 375 Win

Yes, I saw two of the rifles when they came from the factory;wish I had bought one.......

Wow! I never would have guessed this thread would get so interesting.

After reading it through, I realize I should have made it clear that I meant commercial cartridges in commercial rifles, not wildcats in commercial rifles. And that means world-wide, not just the U.S.

Now for some comments on the posts:

There have been too many .22 Savage High-Powers in European break-action rifles for it to qualify.

One problem with many older Winchester rounds is that even though many were intended for various lever-actions, they also appeared in the 1885 single-shots. For instance, I've seen one original High Wall in .405 (at a Montana gun show, and WAY out of my price range) and once owned a High Wall in .40-82.

Single-shots in .303 British were very common a long time before Ruger started chambering it in the No. 1 this year.

One reason I asked the question is that I've been toying with doing an article called "Only The Lonely," about such rounds. The .348 Winchester started me thinking about it, and as my list grew I realized that there had to be a bunch of them.

It's interesting that so many modern rounds have shown up on the the thread. I believe Toad's mention of the .376 Steyr is correct. And somebody else mentioned the .370 Sako, which will probably turn out that way as well.

I am somewhat surprised that no company other than Nosler has chambered the .280 AI....

Just ran across this excellent thread. There are many good posts.
What about the 219 Zipper in the Model 64? Can't think of another commercial rifle chambered for it.

This thread is about rifles, but I'll beg forgiveness ahead of time and ask if the 22 Jet was ever chambered in anything except a S&W revolver-

Fred

Don,

Marlin also chambered the 336 in the Zipper.

Fred,

Marlin chambered the Jet in the Model 62 rifle.

Let's not limit the thread to rifle rounds. It's too much fun!

JB: Did anyone ever chamber the 50 S&W,other than Smith and Wesson in that big revolver? I shot one.....once....that was an experience!

What about the Mannlicher Schoenauer cartridges? 6.5x54 MS, 8x??, 9x??, and I think they had a 9.5x?? Sorry, don't remeber the lengths of the cases offhand.

5mm Remington RF?

Doesn't someone chamber a lever action for the 50 S&W? I think I saw an advertisement with this announcement.

The WSSM's almost qualify and they sure are lonely.

.220 Weatherby Rocket?
.350 Rigby Rimless?

Buffalo Arms has quite a list of obsolete cases.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/2,431.html

Pure Guess:
30 luger
8mm x 22 Nambu
.376 styer
5mm Remington
32 winchester special
25 remington
307 winchester
356 winchester
7.65 Argentine Mauser
30 03 Springfield

Perhaps they did, but they were never cataloged. WBR, Sr., occasionally commissioned limited non-cataloged runs, such as those chambered in 416 Taylor, for his friends or hunting buddys at the Blue Mountain Forest Association (Corbin Park). I consider those to be "custom shop" specials, not cataloged as regular production items or made on special order for a wholesaler, like those firearms that Ruger is currently making for Lipsey's.

Jeff

Winchester and Marlin both chambered the 32 Win Spl.
Remington and Stevens both chambered the 25 Rem.
Winchester and Marlin both chambered the 356.

Jeff

I have a Marlin 62 that has been rechambered from 22 Rem Jet to 218 Bee. It has an old Weaver V4.5 in Weaver mounts and is kind of a fun little walking varmint and called predator outfit.

Jeff

The 348 Win was apparently chambered in a Mauser in Europe.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1138620&filter=delcour&catid=0

I emailed them, thinking it was a misprint for 358 Win, but they said 348 was correct.

Bruce

Very interesting! Especially in a 98 action....

8mm Rem Mag in the 700?

JB, it you open it up to lonely children and wayward cousins you might fill some pages.

Jeff, yes I know those things as I also saw a 416 Taylor delivered to a shop where Bob Chatfield-Taylor hung out once in awhile, in Danvers,Mass.Seems I also recall some 358 Winchesters as well....like it was yesterday but that was quite awhile ago.

My guess is it was a Siamese Mauser. Many have been converted to 45-70 as well.

6.5mm Rem Mag?..

Voere offered a caseless electronic ignited round for a time I believe it was the .223 Voere perhaps.


.224 Weatherby I can't think of any other commercial guns, nor for the .220 Weatherby Rocket.

.17 Remington Fireball
.276 Pedersen

I don't think anyone other than Mannlicher-Schoenauer chambered a rifle for their 6.5, 8 x 56, or 9 x 56 cartridges.

If you mean the 500 S&W, Magnum Research's BFR revolver and the NEF/ H&R are chambered for it.

Besides Remington, Ruger chambered the 77 in 6.5 Rem Mag and so did, in very small numbers, Mossberg in their 800.

Jeff

Cooper offers the 280AI.

Bighorn Armory offers a lever in 50 S&W, and doesn't NEF, or H&R?

17 Fireball is offered in the Cooper.

My cousin has a Model '03 Winnie that belonged to my grandfather (who was born in 1895), chambered in .22 Win auto.

The .348 and Model '71 also popped to mind.

H&R Handi-Rifle can be had in a .500 S&W, 22inch!

Also the .450 Marlin Mag was once offered in the Handi-Rifle, but is discontinued.

Uberti chambers a High Wall in .348 Winchester.

http://www.ubertireplicas.com/lever-1885higwall.php

38-72
40-72
Both in the Winchester 95.

Doc

Daisy caseless .22s. You can still find them on Gunbroker.

The .33 Winchester was also offered in the Marlin 1893

308 and 338 Marlin Express are also offered in the T/C Encore

32 win spec also done by Marlin.

.338-06?

1B

Aside from Weatherby, A-Square.

A2 was the company that got the .338-06 approved by SAAMI and first loaded commercial ammunition.

8MM Remington Magnum

Win. made the 32Spl. in at least two models, 94 and 64.
Jim

Frantz Sodia made an over and under in 348 win. That is at least three rifles in that caliber I believe.

I'm glad at least 2 got the 8mmRemMag ... only came in Rem700 derivatives. 'Only the lonely' fits it well.

378Wby has only ever been a MkV creation ... possibly the 416Wby as well ... unless its been in small runs of semi-commercial rifles. The 224Wby may also be a one rifle only cartridge.
Cheers...
Con

Mule Deer,
How do you define 'commercial'? The 425WR comes to mind as perhaps being a WR specialty using only M98 actions that I don't think has been offered commercially elsewhere.

What about the Mannlicher-Schoenauer specific cartridges ... military actions were 'commercialised' by Rigby etc... for the civilian market in 6.5x54R ... but also available from M-S were the 8x56, 9x56, and 9.5x57.

The Carcano cartridges were military but I don't think appeared elsewhere, likewise the Arisaka and its 6.5 and 30cal (not a real 30cal).

There was a 0.318" cartridge available in the Lee-Enfield commercial sporting actions ... but it may have also appeared in single shots and may have been the 8x56?

The 577-450 may also have been chambered only in the Martini rifles.
Cheers...
Con

JB,

Thanks for the clarification.
Rather than the Win 64, I think it was the Model 65???

Interesting thread.

Con,

I'm thinking of non-custom sporting rifles that were (or are) reasonably available. This would put some of the British rifles in a gray area, since some were essentially one-of-a-kind.

I do believe you're right about the .425 WR--and possible the 577-450, though it wouldn't surprise me if some American single-shot was also chambered in 577-450.

Possibly 375 Weatherby.........??

I am might be way off but I think I recall that Griffen & Howe built Springfields in .425 Westly Richards...

.480 Ruger maybe??

The 480 Ruger and 454 Casull are/were chambered in Rossi built M92 replicas.

300 & 338 RCM 416 Ruger

Browning chambers it in their levergun as well.

.308 Norma, I'm thinking only one manufacture.

ASquare offered it.

The 450Marlin was a Winchester custom shop offering plus Browning BLR offering. The Ruger RCMs are in the No1 and Hawkeyes ... but the 416Ruger is only to date in the Ruger African. Too early to tell.

The 348Win and 8mmRemMag stand tall at the moment ... I think.
Cheers...
Con

The Arisakas, unless you count machine guns.

.25-20 Marlin

The Marlin 336 also. I should have purchased the one I saw.

In don't think the .577 Snider was chambered in anything but the Snider/Enfield rifles.
Cat

.358STA come from anyone other than Winchester's custom shop?

Would the 22mag based Cooper Centerfire Magnums count?

I didn't read all the posts but I think the 6XC was only chambered in the Tubb 2000.

Gyrojet

Same as a 25-20 Win.

Also the ballard line of rifle cartridges

Now there's a blast from the past. I do believe you are correct.

The 22 High Power was chambered in Martini single shots by BSA and many different European combo guns.



There is no listing for a 77 in 256 Newton on Ruger's history of the 77.

Marlin talked about a 336 in 307 but never put it into production.



There were many 303 Enfield Martinis.



The 256 was chambered in the Marlin 62 and the Universal Ferret, an M1 Carbine variant. I can't think of a 307 offering besides the 94, but the 356 and 375 were chambered by Marlin.



Marlin 336.

Dardick cartridges. I have 38 Special Dardick, 50 Dardick and 3-projectile Dardick cartridges in my cartridge collection.

These were plasric case, triangular rounds that were chambred for Dardick revolving pistols (and rifles).

HELP!
I'm confused!

It's been a blast to read through here but is there an actual list of rifles submitted that qualify for this thread?

At least one ole guy would like to peruse such.

Thanks,

Jim

Actually it's not quite identical and know this because I have one.

5.7 Johnson in M1 Carbine?

Wayne

348 Winchester

JW,

I mentioned in the post that started this thread that the .348 was not only chambered in the Model 71 Winchester but the 1885 single-shot as well. Some people have since come up with a European double rifle--and something else, can't remember what.
But it keeps showing up!

Dunno if the Browning reproduction of the 71 counts as a different rifle than the original Winchester 71....

Here are two recent examples.

The .30 T/C in the T/C Icon

and the .475 Turnbull in the 1886 based Turnbull rifles.

Also, there are the Cooper CCM rounds from the 1990s.

They are interchangable.

Was Sako the only maker to ever offer the 6PPC?

Sabatti offered it ... I think Ruger as well in the VT for a very short period of time. Ruger I think also had the 22PPC in a limited run of No1s.
Cheers...
Con

Speaking of Sako ... 7x33 I think was a Sako exclusive. Not sure if it was available in the L461 ... or was limited to the L46 only.
Cheers...
Con

I had a Steyr ProHunter in .376 Steyr, and they also chambered it in their Scout version of the SBS. A Swedish company chambered it in a bolt gun as well.

The .470 Capstick was offered by A-Square and Winchester.

jim

6x47 was available from Kimber of Oregon. Anyone else?

Ruger absolutely chambered the PPC's in their Varmint model. Did Sako chamber them as well?

How about the 6, 7, and 30 BR? Anything other than the 40X?

Lazzorini's 7.82 Warbird was available commercially in a Sako TRG-S, would that count?

Ruger as well.

Sako did offer it in two different actioned rifles.

Remington chambered the 6X47 in their M40XBBR single-shot bench rest rifle, I shot mine in competition in the 70s.

jim

I can think of one orphan, but it is a pistol round. The .401 Herter's PowerMag.

Cooper

I believe the line of SuperMag cartridges is unique to the Dan Wesson revolvers called 357SM, 414SM, 375SM and 445SM.

Not read the entire thread, but 7mm BR in Model 7 (custom shop KS IIRC) not sure it counts, had mine custom done.

Seems like Jim Forbes made one, Finn Aaggard tested it for Am. Rifleman article back in around 20 years ago - WOW time flies!

Ruger made a Blackhawk .357SM, but I think you're right about the other supermags.

I'm pretty sure the marlin 1894 CB was the only rifle chambered in 32 H&R mag.

Weagle

Anyone mention 240Wby yet?

i believe the Steyr SBS was chambered in .450 Marlin. never seen one though. [/quote

H&R offers a barrel for the Handi Rifle

I can't believe it took 10 PAGES to post the 8mm Rem. Mag. Damn, that's the first one I thought of, and probably the ONLY one mentioned so far.........

That's not the point and I'm not certain they are. The Win. version can be fired in a Marlin, perhaps not the other way around.

DigitalDan is correct: If I remember correctly, the .25-20 Marlin used the same basic case as the .25-20 Winchester, but the Marlin version had its shoulder about one millimeter farther from the cartridge base than the Winchester. Such abuse reaped the same market reward as Digital Equipment's decision to make its Rainbow 100 PC not quite compatible with the IBM PC. At least some of the recent Marlin Model 1894 rifles chambered for the .25-20 apparently used the old .25-20 Marlin chamber dimensions, to the distress and consternation of some buyers. These folks used Winchester-dimensioned resizing dies in reloading cases fired in their Marlin rifles. Of course their cases failed after only a few reloading cycles.

I saw the Steyr in their booth at SHOT 2008 (IIRC) and they handed out a sample cartridge...jim

Winchester chambered it in the 1894 Big Bore, ported.

At the risk of sounding like a know-it-all, it's "7mm Express Remington", NOT "7mm Remington Express".

So did we ever get a list or get anything resolved here?

JB there's gotta be a few thousand words worth in 15 pages. (grin)

JB,

You would need some kind of homologation definition (as they do with sports cars and motorcycles) to determine if the cartridge meets the definition of production. Heck, you get to make it up yourself!

jim

How about this?:

The cartridge itself must have been made in commercially available, properly headstamped ammo, rather than custom handloaded in reformed brass.

The rifle must also have been mass-produced, rather than being custom only.

How's that?

Didn't want to wade through 5 pages, so if my guess is a repeat, my bad.

How about the Ross rifles...280 Ross?

Jeff

That's probably a good guess!

John, sounds good to me.

The Naming Heuristic* says give a name; then find three things wrong with it; fix them; and repeat.

OK all you thread pickers out there, go for it!

jim

*developed by Gerald Weinberg

Didn't Voere make a caseless 223 back in the 80's?

The 400 and 465 H&H?

The 275 H&H? I know Western made some ammo, but am not sure if Winchester ever chambered a rifle for it.

Holland released both the .400 H&H and the .465H&H to the trade, so some other maker could chamber for it. Ammo is factory available...jim

What other commercial rifles (other than the Nosler rifles) have been chambered in the 280AI?

win self loaders 32 wsl 35 wsl 351 wsl and 401 wsl

Didn't Sako make a .17/222 or 223?
Ruger and Sako made a 6mm PPC, but I think Ruger is the only one to catalog a 22PPC, although I doubt they made many.

Thought of another. The .307 Win in the 94. At least I think Winchester was the only production rifle so chambered. Not sure if Marlin made them as well?

Jeff

I've seen the 35 Rem mentioned a couple of times in this thread...so I have to ask, what rifle was it supposed to have been chambered in? I have Marlin 336 in 35 Rem, and I believe the Remington 600 and/or 660 was also so chambered.

The .480 Ruger was/is only made in the M92 replicas, in rifles. I think the recent #1's are chambered for the .475 Linebaugh, so they of course take the shorter case as well. The .454 Casull has been made in recent Browning/Winchester Hi-walls

Someone mentioned the .30 Luger previously, it was made in the Browning Hi-Power as well, if we're including pistols.

The .44 Russian was made in several different revolvers, but I think the recent Spencer replicas are its only use in a rifle.

I'd bet the .30 M1 Carbine was never made in anything except M1 carbine rifles, although Ruger did make some single action revolvers for them.

The .50 Beowulf has definitely been used only in AR15 variants.

T/C & Ruger chambered the .30 Carbine in pistols.

The .35 Remington was chambered by T/C, Remington in autoloaders and the 788, Winchester in the Model 70.

The .30 T/C, .308MX and .338MX come to mind as cartridges nobody else will chamber.

Since so many people obviously aren't reading this entire thread (the .348 Winchester keeps popping up, even though I discounted it in the original post) I decided to make a list of the rounds that have been mentioned AND NOT DISPROVED so far.

Also, I'll repeat and refine the definition: a commercially loaded rifle round that was chambered only in one commercially available rifle, and not chambered in any other rifle OR handgun. (This is to eliminate handgun rounds that were chambered in only one rifle.)

ONLY THE LONELY

.223? Voere caseless
.224, .378, .416 and .460 Weatherby
.25-20 Marlin
.25-36 Marlin
6.5x54, 8x56, 9x56 Mannlicher-Schoenauer
7mm BR
.30 T/C
.303 Savage
.308 and .338 Marlin Express
8mm Remington Magnum
.338 RCM
.351, .401 WSLR
.358 Norma Magnum
9.3x66 (.370 Sako)
.416 Ruger
.475 Turnbull


This obviously also eliminates a bunch of military rounds, which is what I intended in the first place. I also decided to eliminate a whole pile of black-powder rounds introduced during the BP/smokeless transition. They never had a real chance.

One thing to watch for is that a lot of older smokeless Winchester rounds were chambered both in lever-actions AND the 1885 single-shot. I also eliminated the .240 Weatherby, because it was chambered in both the Mark V and the Mark Ultra Lightweight, which are definitely different rifles. Also, the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum has been chambered in the No. 1. Has the .338 RCM?

I didn't eliminate some of the Newton rounds on the same basis, but they were chambered in different models of Newton rifles, with different actions. What does everybody else think about this?

I also added the .35 Winchester Self-Loading, a shorter, earlier version of the .351 that only lasted two years in the Model 1905. When the 1907 rifle came out, the .35 was dropped for the .351 WSL.

I'll also note that I am one of thefew people to take game with a .223 Voere caseless. A companion and I shot a few small animals in South Africa with one in 1992.

MD,

Did someone disprove the 308 Marlin Express?

How about the series of new Blaser Magnums? I don't know if Blaser is offering these in more than one model or not.

Thanks again for the thread.

Thanks for noticing about the .308 Marlin Express. I had it and the .338 ME on my hand-written list but somehow they didn't make it to the post.

Too early to tell about the Blaser Magnums, but who knows?

The 35 Winchester was a chambering offered by the Ross Rifle Co. in their Model 1905 sporting rifle. A couple of English gunmakers (don't recall whom exactly)chambered Mauser 98 sporting rifles in 280 Ross around the time of the Great War. It was probably experimental, but there is at least one Winchester High Wall known in 303 Savage. This is in the Cody, WY museum.

While Remington was trying to figure out what to call the .280R/7mmExpress a few rifles went out the door stamped 7mm/06. That may be a 'one of'. A friend still has one tho Remington wanted to buy it back.

O

John, I have a round that is stamped ".351 SLR", is this different from the "WSL" that you are referring to? I'm pretty sure it was used in the 1907 Winchester.

Ryan

The .35 WSL came out in 1905 for the Model 1905 self-loading rifle that evidently had real problems. The problems were fixed with the Model 1907 self-loading rifle, and the cartridge was lengthened into the .351 WSL.

I can tell you that aside from Schultz & Larsen of Denmark, the 308 Norma Magnum was also chambered by Remington in their 40X as it once was the darling of the 1000yard prone competitors. It's also mentioned in Warren Page's article that tracked accuracy tests out of the 40x's.

That's right! I remember seeing it in that article. Thanks....

I'm not sure how this would be assigned, but Gerlich's 280 Halger Magnum used a case that was dimensionally identical with the 280 Ross. Halger rifles were built on Mauser 98 actions.

Halger sold a few of his rifles chambered in .244 HV Magnum, and .335 HV Magnum. I'm unaware of any other rifles built commercially for these. Only a very few hundred Halger rifles were ever produced.

The Blake rifle (mentioned on campfire's Savage forum last month) from the 1890s is described in Sharpe's Rifle book. There were some Blake cartridges made for it that were probably chambered for no other rifles, including the .236, .30, and .400. The Blake rifle may have been the only rifle ever chambered for the 6mm Winchester/Navy Rimmed cartridge. Elmer Keith wrote an article about the Blake in The American Rifleman in the early 1930s. The 1898 Blake catalog was reprinted about 40 years ago, I think.

--Bob

Jim,

Modified the post to reflect your information. Thanks very much!

The .303 Savage High Wall may have been a special order. Why not chamber a competitor to the .30 WCF if somebody was willing to pay for it?

301 Winchester

401.....

Cooper Centerfire Magnums don't make the list?

Dardick Tround, 8mm remmag, 30-03 govt, 5mm remmeg, 416 Barrett, 30TC, 307 WRA, 356 WRA, 38-72, 460 S&W, 500 S&W.

the Steyr Pro-Hunter and the Steyr Scout are both variants of the Steyr SBS. i was unaware of the Swedish bolt gun. i can't find it online yet. (it sounds interesting)

I once found an elegant little British double rifle at Cabela's chambered in 35 Winchester that induced lust. I believe the maker's name was Evan Williams, but don't quote me on it.

Evan Williams? - same name as the bourbon distiller! Must be a good brand.

The .450 Bushmaster and .50 Beowulf are only found in AR-15's, and meet the criteria otherwise, I believe.

The .17 Fireball seems a "maybe". It is offered in Model 7's and 700's, but I don't know if one could call them different actions or not for the purposes of this thread. Cooper lists it, but I don't know if you can call them production or custom rifles.

If had my Cartridges of the World handy, I'd be thumbing through it for other candidates

tex n cal,

I'd have to disqualify the .17 Fireball, because the 700 and 7 are indeed different rifles.

Does anybody know if anybody besides Bushmaster chambers the .450 Bushmaster, and anybody besides Alexander Arms chambers he .50 Beowulf?

I have gone through COTW some, but not every edition I own!

I just looked at the T/C website to see if they also chamber the .17 Fireball in the Encore. They don't, but I now have to disqualify the .308 Marlin Express, because it's a standard chambering in the Encore rifle barrels.

I wonder about the entire line of "Imperial" magnums, .311,338,360, and the rest. Or would they be considered wildcats

Mule Deer:
I saw a lettered 1885 in 348, wanted to get it for my first wife. The guy wouldn't trade.........

It did make me think of the 45-125 Winchester, 1885 only I think.

The 7mm BR actually came out first in the XP-100 pistol, which I remember very well as Dad bought the first one in town, and talked me (okay I volunteered) into making the cases, which took a set of special form dies and the small primer pocket basic BR brass.

How about cartridges that NEVER were chambered in a commercial rifle? Is the 7mm TCU only a (bolt) pistol round? Was the T/C Encore ever cataloged for that round?

444 Marlin?

The 444 was sold by both Marlin and Winchester, the latter in the model 94 Big Bore.

It came out first in the Contender pistol, for handgun Silhouette competition. There probably have been Contender Carbine barrels made for it.

The .25-20 Marlin was chambered in the Model 1894 and Model 27. What about the 6mm UCC in the Voere?

http://www.voere.com/modell_vec91.htm#Seitenbeginn

I once bought a 1895 Winchester but sold it because it was chambered in 300 Savage and had a solid rib on the barrel. I figured someone had rebarreled it. This was in 1965. I gave $35 for it and sold it for $100. How stupid was that???? Don't be shy Steelhead. Tell me how you really feel.

Cooper does the .17 Fireball ala the .17 Mach IV.

LOL! Must have been a Freudian slip. Maybe it was William Evans, heck I don't remember for sure. I can't remember what I saw 5 minutes ago, let alone a few years ago.

It was William Evans--a very good gunmaker, by the way.

I haven't read the entire thread, and someone might have already posted this, but what about the .308 and .358 Norma Mag?

To my knowledge, they were only chambered in an FN actioned rifle imported by Firearms International.

OK, thanks. The gun looked for all the world like a small-framed 410 SxS, and handled like it too. I lusted, but the tarrif was monumental. Something like $6000 IIRC (which is doubtful).

Evan Williams better with Coke.Others with soda or straight.

I'm still wondering about the "Imperial Magnums" 7mm,.30cal,.311,.338, .360 , Based on a 404 case IIRC.
Maybe the Canadian members have some info.

I'm betting you're right, but don't have any info other than what's in CARTRIDGES OF THE WORLD.

The 358 Norma came in both a Schultz and Larsen and the Husqvarna 1651. I've heard rumors of a Sako L61 action in 358.

Big Redhead,

I haven't owned an Evans, but have two friends who own Evans SxS shotguns (one a 16) and another who owned an Evans .470 double for a while. Many people consider them as good as the "name" British guns, and they can still often be had for less than a Purdey, H&H, etc., but the price has beeen going up for a whiole.

I am only guessing at this. The Ruger #1 was made for a time in .357 and it was popular to rechamber to .357 maximum. I think Ruger then did put out some in that chambering. Anybody?

Every time I see a fine English double-gun I am flabbergasted by the beauty of workmanship and fluid lines. They are truly works of art and surely the standard by which all others are measured. Then I see the modern doubleguns currently made and I ask myself, "Why?" Invariably the current makers depart from the elegant lines of the old English makers and throw-in some grotesque-looking feature that ruins the overall apperaance. I don't get it. I would give my right nut to own some of those beautiful, old English guns.

Not according to their website:

http://www.ruger.com/service/productHistory/RI-No1.html

Remington offers the R15 in .450 Bushmaster now, although I would bet they are made under the same roof.

I think the Beowulf makes your list though.

CZ's website lists .416 Ruger as available in the express rifle

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/express-rifle/

whiskeyjacked,

Remington AR's are indeed Bushmasters.

Similarly, I don't think I have ever seen the 416 Taylor listed by anyone else but CZ.

William Evans worked at Purdeys before he went out on his own.

He marked some (or all) of his guns, "....from Purdeys" which I have read irratated James Purdey, although he did the same thing when he went out on his own. I don't remember who he trained under.

ER Shaw lists the 416Taylor in their rifles.

Regarding the 358Norma ... Brno also chambered it in the 602. I've seen such a beast but couldn't get the owner to part with it.
Cheers...
Con

Mule Deer,
Both the above are in the No1 ... the 338RCM in the medium sporter with 22" barrel, whilst the 416Ruger is listed in the Tropical.

ER Shaw's heritage rifles are available in a few very odd chamberings ... 416Taylor, 358Norma, 224TTH, 458x2", 338/06, 240Wby ... best to have a look see for yourself.

http://www.ershawbarrels.com/er_shaw_new_heritage.pdf

Cheers...
Con

The Weatherby cartridges ... 378Wby may have been initially in a Shultz and Larsen Model 54 action for 2 years before the MkV was developed. I also have a snaeking suspicion the 460Weatherby may also have appeared in Brevex magnum actions or a Sako-FN prior to the MkV.

Which leaves the more recent 416Wby as a MkV orphan ... and I think the 224Wby is also an orphan from the Varmintmaster.

Anyone know about the 7x33mm from Sako?
Cheers...
Con

How about you put a twist on the question and list the rifles that were only commercially chambered in one caliber. I know that most rifles have been re-chambered for another caliber of have been Ackley Improved after they left the factory, but I am talking just one factory caliber offered. Also let's discount the custom factory order and stick to catalog offerings. Now we can consider the Model 71 in 348 Winchester.

There have long been stories of Model 71's being chambered in 33 WCF and 45-70 on special order.

Here's one discussion:
http://levergunscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1135&start=0

Bruce

Browning chambers it in there BLR !!!

Dammit I don't want to go back through 22 pages again,was the .303 Savage chambered in anything other than the 99?I had one in the late 60s and it was tough to find ammo! Monashee

.256 Winchester in a Marlin 62.
.224 Weatherby in Mark V Varmintmaster.
5 MM Remington in the 591.
6 MM Lee in Winchester Lee sporter .
8 MM Remington Mag in 700.
.351 Winchester in Model '07.

256 was chambered in the Universal M1 carbine. (and a Ruger pistol)

5mm Rem in TC Contender.

I think all the WSL cartridges (32, 35, 351, 401) were chambered in only their rifles.

Bruce

318 westley richards for westley richards bolt guns

9.5X57 husqvarna small ring 96 commercially produced

newton rifles-30 newton

405 winchester in model 1895

Also Ruger #3. I had one.

Jim

I'm glad this thread got revived, but once again a lot of people are not reading the entire thread, so are repeating cartridges that have been disqualified or accepted.

Also, many apparently missed the post that clarified the qualifications: The rifle must have been mass-produced, not custom, and ammo must have been commercially available in properly head-stamped brass. Oh, and only smokeless rounds, since there were far too many weird black-powder rounds.

If you don't want to look through the whole thread, you can go back to my post #4440335, made on 9/23/10, for a list that was good up to that point--and then read the rest of the posts until now.

But I suspect a lot of people won't read this post either!

Oh, what the heck, here's another update:

223 & 6mm Voere caseless
.224, .378, .416 and .460 Weatherby
.25-20 Marlin
.25-36 Marlin
6.5x54, 8x56, 9x56 Mannlicher-Schoenauer
7mm BR
the "Imperial Magnums" 7mm,.30cal,.311,.338, .360
.30 T/C
.303 Savage
8mm Remington Magnum
.338 Marlin Express
.338 RCM
.351, .401 WSLR
9.3x66 (.370 Sako)
.450 Bushmaster
.475 Turnbull
.50 Beowulf

John,

Wasn't the 25-20 Marlin the same as the 25-20 WCF, just with a different headstamp?

Jeff

Although a couple others have clarified you started it so you get the quote Teal.

I have one of these and about 700 rounds of ammunition. Perhaps it doesn't count in this list since there's no headstamp, just a .22 lead bullet and a bit of stuff that looks like caulk, about the same length as the bullet on the end.

The rifle was made by Daisy and was only known as the model V/L I think. There were several grades but the one I have is the lowest with a plastic stock and painted metal (it looks painted anyway). Once the GCA of 68 decided that it was a rifle and not an airgun Daisy decided to not further production. I have no idea how successful it was prior to that but they are not uncommon at the on-line sales sites. We shot it with my Grandfather a couple of times and he claimed it had the same velocity as a .22 long. I ought to break out a tube this spring and run it over the chrono.

I went back through about 5 pages and didn't see the Sav 22 HP listed...so I will.

The 22 Savage HP cartridge was popular in Europe for break open rifles and combination guns.

Bruce

Yep, we discussed the .22 HP already, the reason it's not on the list.

Did the .375 Remington Ultra Magnum make it to any other rifles? I think Savage listed it, but not sure they produced it.

That's a good question! I seem to remember the same thing, but am not sure. Anybody else know?

Still missing the Cooper Centerfire Magnums. Mass produced, not really, available "over the counter" certainly.

I don't think the rifles could be considered mass-produced either. About the only qualification the Cooper rounds meet is head-stamped brass. Essentially they're advanced wildcats.

Sorry................


I was responding to the posted question "So what cartridges were only chambered in one commercial RIFLE?

Marlin 336 sporting rifle.

Twist of rifling as made by the Marlin Firearms Co.

.25-20 Marlin, Model 1894 and Model 27 . . . One turn in 12 inches

Marlin Firearms: a history of the guns and the company that made them

How about turning this thread around a little and coming up with rifles (other than rimfires and military) that were chambered in only one caliber? The only one that comes quickly to mind is the Ruger .44 carbine but there must be some others.

50-115 Bullard
40-90 Bullard
38-45 Bullard
32-40 Bullard

.44 Evans
.44 Evans Long

??? .444 Marlin ???

the 308 Norma Mag was offered by Browning, Husqvarna, Schultz & Larsen Voere and a couple others. and i hate to say it JB but your wrong on the 358 Norma Mag. aside from Husqvarna, it was also offered by Carl Gustaf, Herters in the U9 action, the Interarms MK X and Schultz & Larsen.

The .308 Norma Mag was not offered by Husqvarna.

kevin wood,

Where did you find .358 Norma on the list?

was the .256 newton mentioned?

how about the 25 Remington, the 25 stevens and the 44xcl may be others from stevens as well Russ might add the 7.35 carcano

25 Remington was chambered in at least two, Remington's model 14 and model 8.

Have not read this entire thread cause it's too long....but has anyone mentioned the Dakota line of cartridges?

I don't know of them being chambered in anything but the Dakota 76.....does that count?

.280 and .335 Halger-Gerlichs cartridges
imported here with Halger-Gerlich rifles

From the revised list ... 338RCM is in both No1 and Hawkeye.
Cheers...
Con

how about a 7br anything but rem. x-p 100?

The XP-100 was a handgun, not a rifle.

yeah I new this when I posted I didn't think about it but has there every been a factory rifle chambered in a 7BR

I think the Model Seven was available in 7BR for a run or two, but I wouldn't bank on that. It MIGHT just have been from the Custom Shop, not a regular cataloged item.

yea i think you are right about the mod. 7 that is why we can use a7br in hunter gun class.

Never heard of anything besides the S&W that was commercial.

I have heard of 3X or 4x fellows trying to make the .22 Jet work in the NEF Handi-Rifle. Not the best choice for a .224 cal in the Handi-Rifle, except that brass for the 'Jet' and 'Super Jet' brass (also known as the .22Sabre - with a sharper and distinct shoulder) is made from the .357 Magnum! The 'Jet' and 'Super Jet' show greater powder capacity than the .218 Bee, altho the 'Bee' certainly works well in single-shots and boltguns - by several makers!

5mm RRM, find one of those babies

I just saw a .303 Ross rifle in my local gunshop, and wonder if this one fits the bill.