I am concidering useing the 200 Gr.NP,in my 30-06 for everything from antelope to moose and elk.What kind of sight in should I use and what can I expect out to 300 yds. or so.

Sight in 3" high at 100 and expect dead animals

2.5 to 3 inch's high at 100 yards. Hod 4831 is the powder to start with.

What Phil said. I've used the 200 Partition from the .30-06 for 35 years now, on animals from pronghorn to elk. It shoots a lot flatter than most people would think, about as flat as the 180. I've tried some other powders but nothing so far has beaten H4831.

Question related to another thread, but what about the 200NP from the -06 on the big bears? Perfectly adequate for the big ones, the minimum, not enough? Where would you, those who have hunted them repeatedly, place it?

John,

What kind of speeds do you get with that slug and H4831?

For you two experienced fellows, does the 200 grainer offer any significant advantages over the 180 which would override the less flat trajectory?

Ive rarely used the NP, but I have used the SPEER 200 grain

http://www.speer-bullets.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?id=103
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000212211
for decades in the 30/06 ammo I load and everyone in camp loves the results
Ive used a 215 fed primer and H4831 or ww760

Better SD and, if I remember correctly, better BC as well. Which, if you plan on shooting at longer ranges, will mean less wind drift and abit more energy delivered to the target.

and to answer prm's question :
Yes, in the 30-06 they work great on big bears. I have used them for virtually all of my hunting over the past twenty-five years including some big bears. On this one I was using 220 gr partitions but I doubt I would have noticed any difference if I had been using the 200's.

Thanks! And shooting irons too, I like that!

Great combination, 30-06 and the 200 grain Partition.

Shoots very well in my 30-06.

Jim,

I usually use 60 grains, which hasn't shown the slightest indication of excessive pressure. Muzzle velocity averages 2650, give or take 50 fps, depending on the barrel.

One thing Phil didn't mention is that the partition is further forward in the 200 than the 180, the reason the 200 penetrates quite a bit more. I've shot lengthwise through mature bule deer bucks with the bullet, and once put one up the wazoo of an already hit bull elk. The bullet ended up somewhere in the chest (never found it) and the bull dropped instantly. That's the only one I've shot into game that didn't exit.

I am getting about 2600fps with my 06 shooting the 200g PT with RL 19.

200 gr Partition and the 30-06 is an awesome combo!! And, as JB says, it shoots much flatter than most people think.

LMAO

Could not have been said any better Phil.

About what I figured.

Sounds great on all counts.

Phil,
What powder do you use with your '06's and the 200gr Partition?

58 gr of Norma MRP gives me an honest 2700fps from the 22" bbl of my rifle.

Thank you, sir.

Have you messed with the 200 grain accubonds at all?

The 200 gr NAB is the only Accubond I've worked with in over 8 or so different 30 Cal's that shoots VERY well... it generally shoots better than the 200 NP in any given rifle I've tried both in (mostly various 30-06's and 300 WSM's).

The Accubonds I have tried are accurate but for the type game I am hunting the partitions shoot plenty well enough.

, Damn sounds like something I need to try....

I use 59 grs. of H4831SC with the 200 gr. Nosler Partition. Clocks 2672 fps. in my 24 inch Pac-Nor barreled Mauser. I've run it as high as 61 grs. w/o any pressure signs.
Zeroed 2.5 inches up at 100 yds., she's down 7 inches at 300 yds. E

200gr NAB shoots great out of two Win mags I've had.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of the 200gr Partition vs. 200gr NAB on game (deer & elk) at 30-06 and 300 Win Mag velocities? Seems that both bullets are easy to load for in terms of accuracy. Partition costs a little more where I shop and has slightly lower BC. I'll probably stick to the NAB for the Winnie, but might consider the Partition for an 06 if this bullet is better at the lower muzzle velocities.

Hi MD and Phil,

This post is just in time! I just purchased my first .30-06. An unused FN-Akah made in the sixties. It has been in a closet and has a few rust dots outside but a pristine barrel with no traces of cooper inside!
I allways thought to match my 7x57 175 grs NP load with a 200 grs NP .30-06. I think your experiences are what I am looking for!
Thank you very much!
PH
By the way, this is the rifle. It came with this Meopta 4x32 scope with a N� 4 reticle!! My favorite all-around kind of scope.

PH,

Nice rifle! I'd certainly bring that one home myself....

My .300 Win loves the 200 gr Accubomb, I have not yet killed an elk with the AB, however it works well on thinner skinned game. That said, you will have no issues with either. The partition is still the standard of comparison for controlled expansion bullets. My .270 prefers the 150 partition to the .277 AB choices.

MD,

Thank you! I am very excited about this rifle! Just tried with what I have at hand: 165 grs Hornady Spire Point and R19 (the Alliant are the only powder we can get now in Argentina..).
My first group was 4 cm at 100 mts. Good enough to start!
The rifle fit me very well! Has a beautiful balance! It feels like the Mauser 7x57. The same general drop and pitch. Great!! I must get some 200 grs Noslers and try in a Red Deer around here.

PH

Imagine a 300 Winchester Magnum 20" barrel carbine firing the same 200 grain Nosler Partition bullets.

What if any practical field difference would that be from a 30/06 using the same 200 grain NP bullet?

None that I have ever noticed.

The muzzle blast of a 20" barreled .300 Win would be impressive to say the least. However, shooting 200s out of an 06 works, and works well. It won't win any speed contests but the partition will open up well.

My brother Steven has had a liking for my 30/06 for years. In as much as he is now fighting cancer caused by agent orange expoure. His wish, is now my wish for him...

I bought the 300 Win Mag intending to rebarrel it to 270 Weatherby or 7mm Weatherby. 270 Weatherby ammo seems more readily available.

Phil, et al... Please give me some practical feedback on 300 Win Mag versus 270 Weatherby versus 7mm Weatherby. For shooting big game at ranges past 300 yards.

Thank guys

Due to the wide selection of .308 caliber bullets I would much prefer the 300 WM over the Weatherby loads you mentioned.
With the availability of good rangefinders the perceived importance of a slightly flatter trajectory is not an issue.

Would you opine from your experiences, what factory ammo would be a good choice for a critter under 600 lbs?

I appreciate your time sir!

If I ever do another 30-06 I am going to give the 200 NP a whirl.
I really like that bullet, even though I have only run it "supercharged". That is, out of a 300RUM @3200fps.

Isn't MRP the same as RL22? thought I read that somwwhere.

I guess no one know about store bought ammo...

For what chambering? Did you rebarrel the .300 or are you looking for suggestions for the .300?

"Would you opine from your experiences, what factory ammo would be a good choice for a critter under 600 lbs?"

I am asking for a recommendation for factory ammo to use in a 300 Winchester Magnum which would have a 20" barrel.

i too have read that Reloader 22 and MRP are the same

I get just under 2700 fps using RL 22 in my 30/06. I worked up this load for a backpack grizzly hunt I did earlier this year and was surprised at well it shot at longer ranges.

200gn Nosler Part
57gn H 414 2733
58gn H 414 2762
58gn H 4350 2556
59gn H 4350 2651
61gn H 4831 2496
62.5gn H 4831 2559

+3". Hunt the rest of our life.

I guess I missed the 'factory' ammo part.
Oops.

That is the standard sight in for me with most of my hunting rifles.

Your factory loaded ammo choices are the same for a 20" barrel as they would be for a longer barrel...a 20" barrel will be fine, btw...

I prefer premium bullets in the 300 Win. There are many choices, but for general North American game animals, you don't have to look any farther than the Nosler Accubond or the Nosler Partition.

Winchester loads the 180 Accubond in their Supreme line, as does Nosler and Federal. I view these as comparable loads, although a particular rifle may prefer one over the others.

Federal has other good bullet choices in that caliber, including the Partition. Performance between these two bullets is comparable as well, but either bullet would be a reliable choice for the uses you indicate.

TC

Since your only considering it,what's wrong with the 180 Partition?I have seen that take a ton of game from Pronghorns to Elk and Moose.

As Craig Boddington wrote:

Additional bullet weight--200 or 220 grains--offers a hedge against bullet blowup as well as increasing penetrating potential. There are times and places, such as using the .30-06 on brown bear or when Hemingway used his Griffin & Howe Springfield on lion, rhino and Cape buffalo. I don't use the .30-06 for such game, so for me a good 180-grain bullet is all I need. At .30-06 velocities bullet blowup (with today's bullets) is not going to happen. Velocity can be kept high enough for a surprisingly flat trajectory, and if you haven't seen it for yourself, you'll be surprised at the penetration of a good 180-grain bullet from an '06

If your not going after the things that bite back,you don't need a 200 grain bullet for your '06(my opinion) after seeing it used for over 50 some years here in Idaho.

Jayco

Thank you very much logcutter and TopCat

IIRC, Jack O'Connor would agree.

I remember a tale about shooting through a grizzly and kicking up gravel on the riverbank with the 180 and the '06....

In fact O'Connor did that with Core-Lokts with the original design heavy jackets.

"I remember a tale about shooting through a grizzly and kicking up gravel on the riverbank with the 180 and the '06...."

I remember that comment. He also said the rifle had a 1 in 12" twost and shoot 220 gr. bullets just fine. Then Core Locts just ain't made the way they used to be.
Paul B.

I've got the Parition shooting pretty well, but at almost $40/50 I could sure use a more economical practice bullet. Does anyone have some experience with a less costly bullet that shoots to the same/similar POI?

Hdy Interlock with .5 gr's more powder than your Partition load.

Thanks, I'll give them a try

If you can find some 200-grain Speer Hot-Cor spitzers before they disappear, they are usually a very good match for 200 Partition pressures, point-of-impact, etc. Also usually quite affordable.

JB and others, how about the 190 Ingwe (I mean Horn)?

Dober

dat bullet is skookum, especially at '06 velocities...

I'm not seeing a 200gr Interlock, did they stop making them?

Hmm, I didn't know they ever started making a 200 Horn let alone stopped making it...

Dober

Sorry, thought you were talking 180, what with the "180 kicking up gravel" talk...

Thinking of the 190gr Interlock, perhaps?

The rifle I'm using them in just has peeps on it, so the little difference in trajectory between the 180's and 200's is pretty well lost on me.

Pretty easy to ring the 300M steel with it, especially since I got new contact lenses, so I'm content to stay with the 200's.

I did locate some of the 200gr Speer flat base. I take it from what JB said that they are/have been discontinued? Would be my typical luck that they'll be a perfect understudy, then be unavailable.

Speer is converting all the Hot-Cors to DeepCurls, but so far they haven't always replaced them with the same bullet weights. A 200-grain DeepCurl would work great--but I still dee a lot of 200 Hot-Cors on shelves and websites, and they are pretty affordable.

2 questions on the 200gr'ers in a '06...
A. apprx fps loss from 24"s to 22"s, 50 fps per inch +/-? Which also raises the ?? about is it better to get say a CZ550/Wby Vanguard/Win M70 Sporter @ 24"s or the M70 FWT/R77 @ 22"s ?

B.barrel twist diff's from 1x10 to 1x12...does the 1x12 handle heavier bullets better or worse? I noticed CZ uses the 1x12 and most if not all US mfg'ers use a 1x10 and wondered why.
Thanks
Ron

According to the best twist-rate computer formula I've used, the 200 Partition should stabilize with room to spare in a 1-12 twist.

You'll never notice any difference in the field between a 22" and 24" barrel, believe me.

Between a 22 and 24" barrel I typically see only about 50fps difference, but that experience is limited to the ones I have on hand.

My custom 30-06 Mauser with 1 in 12" twist shoots the 200 gr. Speer Hot Cores into just a hair over one inch. The 220 gr. Sierra round noses do 1.25" at 100 yards. I never tried them farrher out but figure they should work OK. I have shot those 220 gr. Sierras in my Winchester M70 in .308 to a velocity of 2310 FPS using W760 and groups ran from .375" to .50" Who'da thunk?
Paul B.

The shops around here always seem to keep the Speer 200's in stock and they are suprisingly inexpensive.

[quote=Mule Deer]According to the best twist-rate computer formula I've used, the 200 Partition should stabilize with room to spare in a 1-12 twist.

You'll never notice any difference in the field between a 22" and 24" barrel, believe me. [/quot

My Sako has a 1:11 twist and has trouble stabilizing 200gr bullets unless I run them at least 2700fps, which is over book but see no traditional pressure signs other than velocity. I used 54gr RL-17 with a CCI-250 primer to get that.

I've been using the 200 partitions in my 300 win now for 7 years. It's killed quite a few elk, mule deer and whitetail. I'd hunt about anything with that combo. I don't have much interest in experimenting more when this works so well. In fact I almost picked the 200 part first for my all around rifle and then picked a cartridge to launch it from. Something about that bullet gives me warm fuzzys. Performance on game is outstanding. Usually they are drt, even big bulls. I'm ready to admit that it may be only in my head, but the 200 part seems to up the killing power of the 30 cals.

So I've never used them in a 06 but I'll bet neither one of us would be able to tell much difference on game.

By the way my rifle is a 1 in 11 and shoots fine.

My CZ 550 actually has a 1:10 twist, even though the manual claims it is 1:12 = typo they still haven't corrected. It also likes heavy bullets (165 and up) run at faster velocities. 220's shoot nicely in it.

Ralphie,

What velocity you running the 200 in your Winnie?

I'm curious and am thinking of running them in my WSM.

Any of you all tried the 215 Berg in an 06 yet?

Thx
Dober

Frankly folks, I can't find a truly tremendous need for anything more than 180 grains from the ole '06 but for those that want to shoot the extra 20 grains....have at it.....It has to be a fine choice for moose and similar sized animals.

2 of my 06,s shoot the 200 Gr Speer extremly well. I bought 2 boxes of the old Barnes original 250 GR Factory loaded ammo. Killed an elk with it and it shot dead on at 100 yards in my Rem 760 06 with 180 gr load 2.5" high.

Here you go 200 grain Partitions $15.95 plush shipping there 2nd's but I have never noticed a difference

http://www.shootersproshop.com/Products/30-200gr-Partition-Spitzer-Factory-2nds__PT1350.aspx

Shhhhhhhhhhh.......

I know I had to think twice before posting but I am stocked up on most of what I need these just came up a few day ago

so enjoy

Truly an awesome deal!

I check it just about every day to see whats new some of them sell out in a matter of hours

They work well together, like PB&J.

+1 on this, one and done

Drug up an oldie.

Those were the days.........

I'm still waiting for SPS to bring back the $7.99, 6mm 100g Partitions I bought 11-12 years ago........

LOL. I just found some old Norma
3006 180 and 220gr ammo.

Those old woodgrain boxes are cool