We have had ultra mags, we have had short mags, now we have Nosler mags. We have had a lot of mostly miss new cartridges in the last few years.

I have several of them, 26 Nosler, 270 and 300 WSM's. I like them, but didn't really need them.

What will they come out with next to make us spend our money?

Every new cartridge will have "Creedmoor" on it.

J.B. Calls this "churn", stirring up business with new stuff and making us feel like we gotta have it. Since firearms are pretty much the epitome of durable goods, and we've largely pushed the envelope as far as it can go, even allowing for new powders and bullets, I'm not sure what comes next; maybe long-action magnum ARs? I don't think the current WSM ARs are setting any sales records, so that's likely a wash.

New shooters currently running Tupperware rifles will be good candidates for upgrades in time, I suppose, but many of them might just decide that cheap and accurate is the new normal for rifles, kinda like Glocks are the new normal for handguns.

I have noticed that a couple of Euro arms companies are getting into optics and other accessories, but that's been done here, at least with clothing, with only modest results. Browning used to sell rebranded Bushnells and maybe Pentaxes, but gave it up.

Maybe it's time for a new brush cartridge.😜

With all things wonderful in the 6,5 world, I'm surprised we don't have a factory 6.5 WSM? I have two 270 WSM's. I'm thinking about having one made. I guess it would be about like a 264 Win mag? I have 3 of those, so I don't really need a 6.5 WSM, but I might have one rebarreled just for the fun of it.

You can't have too many rifles!!!

Maybe a mid-priced Ruger No. 1 clone. Something in the $600-$700 US range.

I guess a lot of people still want overpowered cartridges, but it would be nice to have a 30-30 class cartridge in a Farquharson-style rifle. Something with nice looking lines that isn't $1500.

You could chamber the usual suspects (but not released at the same time). By that I mean the 22 Hornet, 303 British, 30-30, 7x57R. Or re-release the 375 Win, 307 Win.

I'd like to see something with nicer lines than an H&R or even the new Henry single shots.

anything BUT creedmoor.


Too much banana pudding will make you sick.

Jerry

25 Cal: Stevens rimfire, hornet ai, Creedmoor, 308, 284, push the ought 6, etc.
Push the idea of a 22, 25, 30 Cal battery?
Light recoil deer ammo and rifle builds?
Extreme sectional density?
Of course, silencers, maybe as part of the rifle to keep barrels short?
Switch barrels with scope on the barrel? Buy a stock that fits, a good trigger, run anything from your preferred cartridge. If done with a two piece stock, as a take down, even better.
A real metal, top loading, built in rotary mag bolt rifle.
That's it, a take down, swap barrel, bolt action model 1899, tang safety, Rem 700 or Winchester trigger. Only in left hand, so the rest of you know what it's like.

Or, tho I know compared to the above, it's asking a lot...
How about some adl type rifles? Screw the detachable magazines.

My own personal dream is a fine single shot in 303 Brit. Even better would be a double. The #1 in 303 is beautiful,but how about a remake of the graceful Savage 219 in such for a much more reasonable price? The rantings of a fevered, twisted mind.

Maybe a Ruger American in 35 Rem, 338 Federal or 358 WCF matte or SS with 20 or 22 inch tubes.
Just a thought.

StarchedCover

You say that in jest but I think the "less is more" concept is gaining ground. So I'd look for more cartridges similar to the Creedmoor, moderate capacities but built to handle long bullets.

The new Henry break-action looks good in the pictures, and is reasonably priced. Among the initial cartridge offerings will be the good old .308, not too far from your .303.

I've flirted a bit with old-timers (.348 and .22 Hornet), but now I'm mainly about getting the rifle I want, and almost any cartridge will do, within reason. I've seen pretty much zero difference in performance on deer between the various rounds I've used, and the better availability of components and data for standard rounds is a bonus to me.

If you can't find a .303 No.1 at a bargain price, one of the 7.62x39s might be a candidate for re-chambering. They've been on sale here and there.

A nimble double rifle in .375 Winchester.
A 2/3 scale Savage 99 for the .221/.222/.223 family of cartridges.
Plywood stocks are outlawed for sporting use.
Self-limiting/maximum pressure gun powder.
Figured walnut grown in a petri dish in a lab.

hanco,

The new trend is already here, and a general term for it might be "tactical." It includes AR's and bolt-actions with detachable magazines scopes that can be dialed up and down without wearing out, etched "ballistic" reticles, and either synthetic stocks designed primarily for prone, or "chassis" stocks that can be adjusted in various ways.

Those are the hot sellers these days (which many manufacturers have confirmed), partly because competitive rifle shooting of various kinds is becoming very popular. I suspect this is partly because going hunting has become more difficult and expensive for most Americans: It's easier to shoot on a range, and competitive shooters are far more willing to spend money on rifles and scopes than the average deer hunter. The average deer hunter tends to flinch when rifles or scopes cost more than $500, but competitive shooters are willing to spend several times that for both.

I think there is also an element of 'P.T. Barnum Syndrome' and Hollywood at play as well; the thinking that money can make one a sniper simply by paying. It is both curious and a bit troubling to watch someone tinker with their shiny (or new-looking anyway) hi-tech stuff, and watching them 'carefully and meticulously' scatter a dozen holes - or a few of them anyway- across a target over a painfully long period of time.

This is a world of re-invention with nothing going on now for nearly 130 years. John Browning took the 1873 Winchester and made a semi-automatic out of it and before the turn of the century he ad a full automatic weapon functioning reliably.

Smokeless powder was invented in 1884 and put to use before the turn of the century, and so were jacketed bullets and bottleneck cases.

Today a 1911 is still considered modern, smokeless powder and other shooting components are pretty much the same as they were for over a hundred years. Improvements have been made, but other than slight modifications, nothing much is new in the last 100 years.

No complaints here though, as I still like reciprocating V-8 engines and rifles/pistols that shoot smokeless powder. I am content with the lack of innovation, and really can't call a Creedmore, Short Magnums, AR platforms or polymer pistols, innovative.

How about stretching the .284 Winchester case out to 2.53 inches and making it a .30-caliber? Or even .338? I might buy that.

HitnRun hit the nail on the head. We are, regardless of innovations and improvements, enthusiasts of 19th century technology.....smokeless powder in a brass case propelling a metal projectile from a hand held combustion chamber called a rifle. And I, for one, wouldn't have it any other way. Newer, better ways of propelling a projectile are inevitable...the military is already working with using magnetic fields as the propulsion force....but the rifle as I know it is what I want to play with and hunt with. I hope the industry can do enough churning to keep themselves in business so I can buy their products .

I want a dark matter powered, air bolus firing rifle. Load it once, hunt for life.

Caseless ammo.

Optical rifle scopes replaced by electronic scopes with built-in ballistic calculators.

I think J.B. Is correct, the young guys I hunt with are into camo and black rifles. They aren't going to spend a whole lot on a rifle and scope. They aren't impressed by a Biesen rifle. They wouldn't know a pre 64 or a Sako pre Garcia. They like AR 's and bipods. I wonder if all the valuable rifles will be worth anything in a few years?

denton,

Both caseless ammo and electronic scopes with internal ballistic calculators have already existed in very viable forms for a while. I hunted with a Voere rifle using caseless ammo providing very similar ballistics to the .223 Remington in South Africa in 1993, and it was very accurate and reliable. In fact the only odd thing about using it was opening the action after shooting a round, and not having an empty case fly out of the action! The automatic reaction is to suspect some sort of extraction problem, but there never was a "stuck case."

The ammo was a little more expensive than standard brass-cartridge ammo, but not by all that much. But despite the best efforts of the same advertising/public relations firm that was making a major success of Swarovski optics at the time, it went nowhere in the marketplace. Maybe if the rifle hadn't been European?

The Burris Eliminator scopes with internal laser range-finder that light up an LED aiming point work very well. (Bushnell and Nikon marketed very similar scopes, but somehow Burris won out.) They also provide a reading for a 10-mph, full-value wind-drift in the "viewfinder" of the scope. Another scope/rifle system has been available that compensates for moving targets.

Those scopes admittedly do not provide a reading that includes automatic compensation for environmental conditions, such as temperature, elevation and wind, but those are already included in military "target-finding" programs. Would they be accepted/purchased by civilian shooters if available in scopes?

Obviously it would depend on price, but many hunters and target shooters are already spending several thousand dollars on conventional "mechanical" scopes, then using ballistic programs in their smart phones to make corrections for environmental conditions.

Would they be willing to spend as much for scopes that do it all? Indications so far are no, but as we've seen in recent years, technology that was considered too expensive often becomes much more "affordable" in a few years.

Whether or not shooters who've spent years learning to use mechanical scopes with ballistic apps will spend plenty of money, but scopes that take over their "job" are another question. There's always some resistance to new technology. We saw it a generation or two ago with synthetic stocks, which now almost totally dominate the market.

I know there have been several attempts to do caseless ammo, and just recently noticed (yet another!) news release that the US military may have really, no kidding this time, found their caseless ammo solution. It seems to me that if that promise ever comes true, it will change the landscape.

If electronic scopes can be brought down in price to consumer levels, they offer some real advantages, maybe enough to offset the big disadvantage of being useless without batteries. I don't know.... would customers accept something like that? Electronic triggers were such a huge hit....

Along with electronic-ignition primers....

OK. How about a caseless cartridge rifle with electronic ignition, yet still classified in most quarters as a..........;...........:................. primitive weapon:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/3...ic-stock-black-26-barrel-stainless-steel

They have found that merely hearing the word "Creedmoor" is more effective than any pill for combating erectile dysfunction. (The only downside being almost spontaneous ejaculation.)

One area that has room to grow here is airguns. As I've mentioned a time or two, I regularly watch British hunting shows on Youtube. A couple of the better ones have airgun spinoffs. Those folks take their BB guns very seriously, spending more on their toys than most of us do on real ones. It's not just because gun laws there are strict, as anything generating over 12 foot-pounds in England requires the same license as a firearm and in
Scotland, any airgun does (although there's a bit of civil disobedience going on there about that).

The Brits take their pest control very seriously, with various pigeons, rats, rabbits, jackdaws, crows, foxes, and even flocks of beautiful little green parrots on the menu. One serious pest is American gray squirrels, introduced by someone, possibly as our payback for starlings. Some of the setups with night-vision, infrared, video-through-the-scope, and electronic scopes cost thousands; pounds, not dollars. The shooting can be very challenging given the looping trajectories and wind drift.

A while back, there was a test of airguns for use on foxes, using actual fox heads for targets. A PCP .30 caliber just crushed them. I'd have no reservations about using one on stuff as large as a turkey, after seeing that.

Check out Airheads and The Airgun Show.

If congress can get the suppressor bill passed and rid them of all the BS associated with them, that market will explode.

Well said!

.338 WSM with a 20" barrel, for those Texas deer hunters who have had to track deer shot with their .300 WM and who only practice with their rifle the weekend before the season opener and want a short, handy rifle.

Mossberg made one.

Yes. I haven't seen one around here in years.

It all boils down to what will turn the most profit. I doubt a single shot 375 or 7x57R would sell too many.

Whilst it has taken some years to sink in and owning more than I ever need to own, in retirement, I am opted to throwing time (previously rare) and money funding hunts.

I can honestly say that my needs & desires are met in the arsenal I have.

I'm somewhat surprised in 'some' cals/cartridges that are occupying so much interest these days. I really don't know if some are genuinely interested or merely curious. As for myself I have NO interest in much of the NEW 'sensational' offerings.

To me 'less' is not more. OTOH some of the newer HOT rounds don't appeal to me **because** they're burning much more powder than they gain in performance.

I've spent a lot if yrs. and effort attaining and developing my 'herd'. Out of all, there is only ONE that may not stay. If it leaves, I will not have a void in the performance scale. I love the rifle, the cartridge - uh so so.

One advantage of Old Age is contentment.

That's not to say there aren't a few rifles/cartridges I'd like to PLAY with - a
416 RM being one. I don't need it so I have no regrets.

Jerry

I'm down to a few 270's and a 6.5X55 swede. I'm planning to hunt the swede more than anything. So far the 100+ year old cartridge has killed game with 1 well placed shot.

I hear some of the new stuff out there such as the 6.5 creedmoor will kill game with a 1/2 a shot. 😀




Trystan

I would love to see a Model 70 extreme weather in .280ai. I wish one of the major players would chamber the 6.5-06a square. I know the folks here have discussed it.....seems like it would fall between the creedmoor and .264 win. Might come pretty close to the 6.5 saum.Perfect for Churners.

[quote=denton]Caseless ammo.
/quote]

I hope not. Reloading is too much fun.

But really, I'd like to see a wider range of existing cartridges offered. I'm sick of a new stainless/synthetic rifle offered in .243, .270, .308, .30-06, 7mm RMag and .300 WMag.

+1

You'd think !

Jerry

Need has nothing to do with it,want is good enough.

When I see something I want, I'm thinking "I need that"

Suppressors and really long bullets requiring fast twist.

You're a blamed 'enabler' !
How about loaning me one ??
Jerry

Probably something that I don't have that will do nothing better than something I all ready have, and I will not know the difference. One of the fun things about being a "Loony".

Don't see the slightest similarity between 6mmRem, 243Win, 6mm Creed, 250Sav, 257Rob, 260Rem, 6.5 Creed, 7mm08Rem, 7x57, 308Win, 338Fed, and 358Win.
Everyone needs one of each.

I can see that caseless ammo would have some advantages for the military, but not so much for the rest of us. Unless something an order of magnitude better shows up, metallic cartridges will be with us for a long time yet.

Almost any technology that has had a long period of incremental improvement will only be displaced by something revolutionary. The internal combustion engine is another good example.

Jerry

It will be interesting to see what opportunities caseless ammunition offers the handloader.

Well, I can personally testify that you can hold caseless rounds in your hand. Is that what you mean by "handloading"?

I believe that Wolfe has an entire magazine devoted to holding rounds in one's hand.

hmmm, no reply.
Ken, I thot we were friends !

I'm so disappointed !



Jerry

I'm pretty much set in life I don't feel the need for any new kinda caliber...

if I rebarrel something to a cal I don't have, it will be a 17 or 20 caliber... and that's about it..

They could reinvigorate many of the old and already popular cartridges eg 25-06, 270 Win and (to a lesser extent) 243 Win and the 8mm cartridges by introducing new rifles with fast twists in the 1-7 to 1-8 rate range, at the same time introducing low drag bullets to make use of the twist.

Nosler is well placed to do this as they make both rifles and bullets. Ruger via their close relationship with Hornady similarly could go down this road.

A 25-06 shooting a VLD in the 140g range could have a BC of 0.7+ and all those of us tooled up with 25-06 stuff wouldn't have to run out and buy a 6.5 Creed!

The marketing would combine the best of the old, tried and tested, with the latest and greatest tech enabled by laser rangefinders and non melting tips...

OK, I think I read through ALL the posts (unlike some other threads ) so I'll toss in my idea about "what's next".

I see a distinct decrease in interest for long range hunting in the not too distant future.

Folks will get interested in ..................



Wait for it now,













Short Range Hunting!

They will brag about getting within 10 feet ( +/- 3 meters for you foreigners) instead of "over 600 yards" and will be breaking out certified tape measures or laser measuring devices to get the actual distance from muzzle to the animal (all able to be recorded in real time if one has the money) so they can have friendly competition with their compadres in hunting camp.

The technological advances in measuring to the nearest mm (+/- 1/25th of an inch for those metrically challenged) will allow companies to have an "arms race" of sorts to see who comes out with the fanciest product with the most exciting bells and whistles on it, able at a moment's notice to link to your "devices" or across the world by satellite to the governing board of the Close Up Hunters Social Club.

Stainless new age alloys will predominate as hunting up close will get folks out of their tower blinds, pop up blinds, back porch windows, and pick up trucks. They will have to expose all that newly purchased gear to the elements.(so they can keep up with the times and not look like some old fuddy duddy STILL doing the long range thing).

Ammunition technology will go to uncharted territory with big fat bullets at reasonable speeds and no BC to speak of. Powder technology may change too, to really fast, some might say explosive powders of only a few gradations. The ammo companies will develop brightly colored packaging and new catchy slogans to convince the newbie short range shooters that they just have to go out and purchase their product to get the ultimate in short range accuracy. Some bullets may even come with a wonderful space age cellulosic coating applied in special folding machinery.

Firearms will come with a "one hole group" guarantee at 10 feet when using the manufacturer's preferred (read that as "our powder subsidiary") recipe. Bug hole groups will be passé, as a rather large bug will be able to pass through the one hole group of these new short range bullets. Using an appropriate caliber, a 3 shot one hole group might even let a small mammal (vole, shrew, meadow mouse?) pass through, to heck with bugs.

Some hunters of a certain age, should we survive long enough to see the fad in long range technology they call "hunting" end, will be WAY ahead of the game as we still use ancient technology to hunt; like quiet wool clothing, moccersins, smokepoles, we watch the wind but not for the effect on the bullet, and sometimes we even wear a Fedora or tuque. Perhaps more importantly, we enjoy getting close to the quarry rather than shooting at extended ranges.

I await your responses, but not right now, I'm going to go make an investment in Goex!

Geno

PS I'm not a gunwriter, just a guy who hunts occasionally. So perhaps my comments don't count?

Patience Jerry,some of us work.

Don't have a .416 RM anymore,too small for jackrabbits.

Oh, sorry about that, didn't mean to be impatient. I hate waiting.

Glad you're equipped for jackrabbits.
I thot you had a 416 anyway. I've always liked the looks of the 416 RM. Makes no sense but since when did loonies make sense?

Jerry

Had the RM and a Rigby. If I was to chose between the two,it would be the RM.

^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^
Guns would be made different and short barrels to limit overall length would become shorter. Integral moderators would be all new to many manufacturers. And if y'all thnk you had a enough of creedmores, All the suppressed rifles would bein some short action to again limit length......

I wonder if this will lead to an arms race of long-barreled rifles (to shorten the distance even more)?

Yeah, nice thinking, like an old Pennsylvania or Kentucky rifle..............only longer?

Geno

How about a quality adjustable trigger on some of the tube Fed and box magazine leverguns.Naw,this would never be next-how would marketing hype it?

Wont much matter to me. I buy what I need for a job.

Most of those rounds have been around a LONG time, even if wildcatted....

Spur buying or due to the fact its new, never has done anything for me.

But I realize they have to try to make money and that lots that dont have a need for a new one, will buy it when it comes out.

Some of the rest of us have run wildcats long before the "new" stuff has come out.

Of course the day may loom that I stray....