Twisted for modern bullets?

I could see LR folks doing good work with a simple 270 spun for bullets that are equal to 6, 6.5, and 7mm bullets of high BC, etc.

Given the trend of fast twist 6 and 6.5's, will the industry lead the way with new twisted barrels, or will they wait and see if more heavy for cal bullets hit the scene?

Thinking of the plentiful brass.

Or has the Creedmoor filled this void? I'd say a 270 with top bullets in a faster twist would give it, and the 7mm's a good run for those wanting to really reach out, without the shorter barrel life, higher recoil, etc. of larger rounds.

.277-06? I believe 'Flave Precision is on it already.

65BR,

Introducing a factory fast-twist .270 Winchester would be like shoveling sand against the 6.5mm and 7mm tide--at least for those rifle loonies who want fast-twist rifles for shooting very high-BC bullets.

From what I understand, rifles with 1-10 twist .270 Winchester barrels are still selling well. In fact, mine shoots the 170-grain Berger Elite Hunter pretty well.

If "The Industry" struggles to see the logic in offering, perhaps even standardizing, fast twist barrel in .223" and .243", how likely are they to embrace change for the 270, when the majority of 270 shooters are probably shooting 130 and 150 grain factory ammo?

"The Industry" is slow to embrace change and seemingly reluctant to alter the status quo. I know a guy who is well connected at Winchester/Olin and they won't even make enough ammo for "seasonal run" cartridges to keep prices for many of those Winchester introduced cartridges below the scalper level.

Hornady came out with the .277/145 grain ELD-X for the 270. Supposed to stabilize in a 10 twist, and has an excellent BC for that caliber. I have been shooting the 140 Nosler out past 1000 in my sons 270, but recently bought some of the 145 ELD to try. Just haven't gotten around to loading them up. Friend of mine shoots the 115 Berger in his std twist 25-06.

There's a guy over on the Nosler Forum shooting phenomenal groups in a 1:10 300 wsm with a big honking 225 Hornady eld-m bullet.

The 145 ELDs are shooting pretty good in my 10 twist 270. I'm thinking I'll try some 26 with them to see what they will do.

In that nice article Jamison wrote about the 6.5 WSM, he said that for hunting, he still preferred a standard .270 WSM for hunting, presumably a 1-10.

The one you did using the standard .270 with the 150 LRAB showed the old girl still has "legs", properly loaded.

Doesn't it seem like splitting hairs,with all of the .277 options? I am a .270 user. I don't understand the why the marketplace would need another 6.5 either. I guess it might nudge the companies sales upwards a little bit .
Cheers

Doesn't really seem like a recipe for commercial success to me. Why make a standard catalogue offering for a very limited market of shooters that would just come on the fire complain about he barrel quality and then spin on a $600 custom barrel on a $500 rifle anyway. Face it there's nothing these chamberings have to offer in terminal performance that the 6.5 offerings don't already provide and vice versa. They all throw sub 30 cal bullets that weigh within 15-20 grains of each other operating within a couple hundred feet of velocity window. Any practical difference is in the shooters imagination and not noted by game or a steel chicken.

No doubt the OEM 270 and 30 cal are effective in their own right. I think it was Warren Page who liked 175 PTs in his 7mm Mags

JB what accuracy and speeds are you getting with the 170's?

Jeff no doubt change for the Major mfg is often slow, when it comes.

Good feedback folks.

The funny thing about the trend toward bullets intended to give better long range performance is that maybe one out of ten guys who buy them are capable of utilizing their potential. (Present 24HCF members excepted. )

Or, like me, capable or not, hunt where those kind of shots are ever presented. I've never popped a cap on anything over 250 yards or so, even chucks, because the places I've hunted just don't stretch that far, at least without hills getting in the way.

I guess there has to be a "new best thing" or the sport won't progress, or the gun and bullet companies won't make more money, or the keyboard commandos won't have more to crow about...

"If it ain't broke don't fix it" is a term gun companies just won't hear. The WSSM, RSAUM, RCM and others are just on the fast track to being seasonal run then obsolete chamberings inside 20 years. The WSM, 6.5 Creedmore, 375 Ruger have made a significant splash that will be here forever. A few others, but nothing that is truly needed or wanted outside of the scant few percentile of custom and wildcatters that have the fortitude to deal with the logistics of an odd ball chambering. Gun writers usually never have to pay full tilt for their gear and don't think like the "Joe the plumber" guys that keep them in business. Gun writers can't very well write about the 270 vs. '06 debate every other month and they ain't getting a free trip to Africa to try out the brand spankin' new 375 H&H. Same with optics and super bullets. People on The Campfire, AR and a few other forums are in the 1% of gun users. The average guy may have heard of a 6.5 Creedmore and may even want one, but never has heard of the Swede. And they don't shoot enough to care about bonded or whatever tipped ammo is out there. Price,performance,availability and ease of use is what sells. Not twist rates.

65BR I posted something similar to your OP in another thread this week. I was talking more .257 calibre bullets though. Something in the 130-odd grain weight range, perhaps with BC numbers of 0.70+.

But I guess the 6mm crowd is chasing on those heels with the likes of the 110g SMK and some of those Bergers....

A risk with a fast twist .257 or .277 would be - I presume - that someone takes those long, VLD bullets and attempts to run them in a standard 1-10 twist and next thing they're taking their shiny new rifle back to the shop saying it can't shoot for crap!

The 270 with the 145 ELD with Reloader 26 ought to be a pretty fun round for going long.

There is probably 2 out of ten on my deer lease that would have a clue what a 6.5 Creedmoor is.

Good stuff guys, B17 - true, which would be why an ammo company would label them for fast twist rifles, like +P ammo is so marked for said handguns.

No doubt folks here are more into "R&D" and that has always been more fun added during my lifetime of hunting. Trying out new things. Never hit a hair with an '06, though have a few with a Thutty Thutty.....from a 10" TC Contender. It out shot MANY rifles at the 100 yd line when I was in college

If need was the basis of what folks use, most NA hunters might be using a 30-30 or 30-06 with Bore-Locks......after all, they do work.

DD - may have to try that out.