Hi,
I’m going to replace the Tupperware stock on a Rem 700, sporter barrel.
I don’t have the budget for a McM or Manners, so it looks like either a B&C Medalist (aluminum block) or Grayboe Outlander.
I know the grayboe is heavier than the B&C. I’ve handled the grayboe by way of a Remington AWR rifle, but not the B&C.
Looking for the wisdom and advice from this forum on which direction you guys would go given my budget.
Thanks,
Stuart
Stuart, the B&C is a good fit I have one on a 700 LA weatherby style medalist easy to bed the action. They are heavy as well. I also have a MCM Game scout and I will go out on a limb and say there is a reason why they're more expensive.
Good luck and shoot straight
Bob
Another to look at is the HS precision Stocks
Being lefty, not as many stock choices, I have two with those stocks.
I have a couple 700 Medalist stocks. They are stiff and well shaped for a good fit. Not the lightest stock, but a good value if superlight isn't needed.
If a laminate is not out of the question, the Boyd's stocks are a good bang for the buck.
I have a like new Boyd's laminated "Prairie Hunter" model for a S.A. B.D.L. that I listed yesterday if your interested.
Mike
If you aren't going to a high-end high-quality stock, then don't bother changing out the tupperware. You will gain nothing.
Bed it properly, give it a spray paint job if desired, and get to shooting.
If you aren't going to a high-end high-quality stock, then don't bother changing out the tupperware. You will gain nothing.
I'd take a B&C over a factory tupperware anyday. While it's not as light as a McMillan Edge, I've never had any issues with one and have functioned as well as any std fill McMillan I've ever owned.
B&C are a lot of stock for the money and head and shoulders above a Tupperware. HS, although not as popular, especially here on the Fire are a step up in quality.
Bansner, MPI, and Wildcat Composites are a great value, but will need bedding and finish whether you do it or have it done.
Hi,
I’m going to replace the Tupperware stock on a Rem 700, sporter barrel.
I don’t have the budget for a McM or Manners, so it looks like either a B&C Medalist (aluminum block) or Grayboe Outlander.
I know the grayboe is heavier than the B&C. I’ve handled the grayboe by way of a Remington AWR rifle, but not the B&C.
Looking for the wisdom and advice from this forum on which direction you guys would go given my budget.
Thanks,
Stuart
The B&C Medalist is a good stock, but if you compared it side by side with a comparable McMillan, I like the McM Hunter, the difference is pretty obvious.
If you can't afford the McM style that you like, I'd suggest looking for a 700 LSS-MR take-off stock for under $200 as a temporary fix. If you put aside $10 per week for a year, you'll have your McMillan in time for hunting season in 2018.
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
I like the ergs of the B&C Medalist better than the factory injection molded stocks. The only 2 Remington factory installed stocks that I particularly like are the 700 TI and 700 LSS-MR.
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
Less plastic, more rigidity.
I have new Grayboe Outlander in black for a 700 Long BDL on which I will make you a very good deal.
Save your pennies, sell some stuff, or both for a McMillan. You won't regret it.
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
Less plastic, more rigidity.
That's just it. I've not found that to be true at all. The BCs that I've had are just as flexy as the newer Remington stocks.
Save your pennies, sell some stuff, or both for a McMillan. You won't regret it.
This. Buy once, cry once.
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
Less plastic, more rigidity.
That's just it. I've not found that to be true at all. The BCs that I've had are just as flexy as the newer Remington stocks.
I agree, B&C has not impressed me positively...
I have new Grayboe Outlander in black for a 700 Long BDL on which I will make you a very good deal.
Just bedded one of these on a 700 LA 300WM. It was straight and true, and very easy to bed. Rifle shoots better than it did before.
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
Less plastic, more rigidity.
That's just it. I've not found that to be true at all. The BCs that I've had are just as flexy as the newer Remington stocks.
OK, to be fair in this conversation, I have a total bias against any plastic stock no matter what brand or vintage based on my experience with some of the older ones offered. I've not bought a new 700 in years so don't have experience with the new plastics. The few B&Cs I've used have served me well enough including TI take-offs and Medalist, but I certainly would look elsewhere for a LW stock.
A new McMillan is about $1K here in Canada so have been open to other alternatives for upgrades away from plastic.
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
Less plastic, more rigidity.
That's just it. I've not found that to be true at all. The BCs that I've had are just as flexy as the newer Remington stocks.
OK, to be fair in this conversation, I have a total bias against any plastic stock no matter what brand or vintage based on my experience with some of the older ones offered. I've not bought a new 700 in years so don't have experience with the new plastics. The few B&Cs I've used have served me well enough including TI take-offs and Medalist, but I certainly would look elsewhere for a LW stock.
A new McMillan is about $1K here in Canada so have been open to other alternatives for upgrades away from plastic.
You should look at buying your McM stocks from a dealer in Maine and importing them yourself.
At the current 82% exchange rate, a typical $600USD McM stock should only cost you $732CND, unless there is some very large import fee or tax imposed by Canada.
Spend your money on ammo. The stock that is on your rifle will do just fine. The Grayboe is still a tupperware stock, just with a higher price tag. The Medalist is a slightly better stock. But not significantly better than factory. The non Medalist B&C stocks without the metal insert are a HUGE step down compared to factory.
I have several rifles in McMillan stocks. But I don't spend $500-$600 on a stock hoping it will make my rifle shoot better. The rifle has to prove it is a keeper before it gets a better stock. I've NEVER noted a bit better accuracy after upgrading to a McMillan or any other aftermarket stock. If someones gun shoots better afterward it is only because the new stock is properly bedded and the factory stock was not, and that COULD have been corrected. The most accurate rifles I've ever shot were all in factory tupperware stocks.
I purchased my aftermarket stocks mostly because the Edge stocks are 1/2 to 1 full pound lighter than factory or most other aftermarket stocks. I like the way they look and feel. Telling my wife it would make the gun more accurate was a good way to get her to justify the money spent though.
Save for the good stock. You won't be happy with anything less.
What does a BC offer that a newer cross-hatched tupperware does not?
Less plastic, more rigidity.
That's just it. I've not found that to be true at all. The BCs that I've had are just as flexy as the newer Remington stocks.
OK, to be fair in this conversation, I have a total bias against any plastic stock no matter what brand or vintage based on my experience with some of the older ones offered. I've not bought a new 700 in years so don't have experience with the new plastics. The few B&Cs I've used have served me well enough including TI take-offs and Medalist, but I certainly would look elsewhere for a LW stock.
A new McMillan is about $1K here in Canada so have been open to other alternatives for upgrades away from plastic.
You should look at buying your McM stocks from a dealer in Maine and importing them yourself.
At the current 82% exchange rate, a typical $600USD McM stock should only cost you $732CND, unless there is some very large import fee or tax imposed by Canada.
I have a post box in Maine. Only one hr from the line. That does give me options but a lot of US businesses will not ship to another address that is not on the VISA. I do end up getting things to work though one way or another.
You need a prepaid CC with a shipping/billing address at this place:
www.shiptohoulton.comTheir ad says that they accept Canadian $$ at par with U.S. $$
You need a prepaid CC with a shipping/billing address at this place:
www.shiptohoulton.comTheir ad says that they accept Canadian $$ at par with U.S. $$
Thats a good idea about the CC. There are mail and freight brokers in Calais. Many from my parts use them incl myself.
Notice the OP logs on, asks a question, and never checks back...
FNG
I have 7 of the B&C Alaska Ti stocks all bedded and free floated. All are under 30 ounces and all have worked great. Great value for the price if you ask me. YMMV
Thanks for all of the collective feedback.
Rick, I actually need a SA, not long, but thank you!
There's some pros for Boyd's, but I'd rather go composite.
I know B&C are proven, but I've read lower quality (as of lately), bulky grip... Grayboe is a bit heavy, but seems like decent quality.... HS was one I didn't initially consider, but costs a bit more.... Then there's McMillan. Several pros/cons across the board, but $$ will get me the best option that I wont regret.
I guess I'll keep saving. Buy once, cry once.
Thanks!
Watch the sale list at Mcmillan and watch Ebay. Scored amazing deals for McMillans on both sites.
https://mcmillanusa.com/product/6443-game-scout-remington-700-short-action/
I've plenty of McMillan, B&C, and HS stocks with a few others thrown in. While no McM, the B&C are good stocks and much better than factory plastic IMO. I actually like my B&C stocks over my HS stocks as they feel the same, yet the B&C are lighter. Have you thought about the B&C AK Ti stock? It's a reasonably light stock and plenty rigid to get the job done. I think I have about 5-6 Ti stocks and never had a problem with them. They are lighter than a std fill McM as well(though not in the same league).
Too bad the old Bansner's are not still available. Those were some nice stocks if you didn't mind a little prep work.
Has anyone bedded an aluminum chasis in a plastic stock? I have re-inforced the barrel channel and the wrist with arrows, broken fishing rods and aluminum tubing with some success but the action area is still flexing. Also with an aluminum bedding block will "Swiss Cheesing" it take off any significant amount of weight?
I like the HS precision stock that Jim Tertin designed for the Mt. Eagle rifles. A little trimmer than their more target like stocks. The B&C would be a step up from factory but not a huge one. I would fill the factory stock with foam and possibly do the graphite rod stiffeners if it was a known accuracy issue. I would shoot it for a season or two while saving for a truly better stock and scouring the used adds and McMillion sales.
I've plenty of McMillan, B&C, and HS stocks with a few others thrown in. While no McM, the B&C are good stocks and much better than factory plastic IMO. I actually like my B&C stocks over my HS stocks as they feel the same, yet the B&C are lighter. Have you thought about the B&C AK Ti stock? It's a reasonably light stock and plenty rigid to get the job done. I think I have about 5-6 Ti stocks and never had a problem with them. They are lighter than a std fill McM as well(though not in the same league).
Too bad the old Bansner's are not still available. Those were some nice stocks if you didn't mind a little prep work.
Yes I wish I had bought all the lefties they had when they were on close out. They have a good weight to stiffness balance that you will have to pay a lot more to get now.
The MPI graphite re-inforced stocks are good but unless you get it straight out of the mold and do it yourself they get pricey. Brown Precision same thing if they are still available.
Spend your money on ammo. The stock that is on your rifle will do just fine. The Grayboe is still a tupperware stock, just with a higher price tag. The Medalist is a slightly better stock. But not significantly better than factory. The non Medalist B&C stocks without the metal insert are a HUGE step down compared to factory.
I have several rifles in McMillan stocks. But I don't spend $500-$600 on a stock hoping it will make my rifle shoot better. The rifle has to prove it is a keeper before it gets a better stock. I've NEVER noted a bit better accuracy after upgrading to a McMillan or any other aftermarket stock. If someones gun shoots better afterward it is only because the new stock is properly bedded and the factory stock was not, and that COULD have been corrected. The most accurate rifles I've ever shot were all in factory tupperware stocks.
I purchased my aftermarket stocks mostly because the Edge stocks are 1/2 to 1 full pound lighter than factory or most other aftermarket stocks. I like the way they look and feel. Telling my wife it would make the gun more accurate was a good way to get her to justify the money spent though.
Excellent post. A lot of truth in it... I'm also in full agreement with DakotaDeer as well..
I believe MM's are overpriced. Talk to Rick re: the Grayboe and have it properly bedded and you will be a happy camper.