MD how fast will a .358 WIN safely push a 200 gr T-TSX?

how fast will a .358 WIN safely push a 200 gr T-TSX?

For years I have been thinking of building what would be my ultimate brush gun mainly for pig hunting here in CA but usable for all big game.

I remember an article MuleDeer wrote several years back and if old man's memory is correct he was getting close to 2700 fps shooting 200 grain bullets. I have know I have that digital mag some where on a backup thumb drive but as of late I have not seen it...

old willys looking at AmmoGuide for a 200 gr barnes. bullet in a 24 inch. barrel Reloader 12 at MAX load does 2705 and Norma 201 at MAX does 2742 so yes I guess you can get there. Cheers NC

Not MuleDeer of course but I use RL-10 to safely push 200 gr TTSX's to 2700 fps in a 22" barreled Ruger Hawkeye S/S.

Ted,

When I wrote that article for HANDLOADER (which included both the .338 Federal and .358 Winchester) a decade ago, I experimented with a few powders in a Ruger Hawkeye stainless .358 witha 22" barrel. The two top loads for 200's were 52.0 grains of Norma 201 with the 200 Hornady Spire Point, and 52.0 grains of TAC with the 200 TSX. Both got right around 2750 with groups of about an inch.

Norma 201 = Reloader 15?

true?

I think it's Norma 203b + Reloader 15

Originally Posted by Mule Deer

The two top loads for 200's were 52.0 grains of Norma 201 with the 200 Hornady Spire Point, and 52.0 grains of TAC with the 200 TSX. Both got right around 2750 with groups of about an inch.

YEARS back I had a Savage 99 358 & a BLR 358. Both would get +/- 2800 fps with "HORNADY 200 SP".
Cases life was very good, both primer pockets and NO 'incipient' case separation.

Note: That's DIFF bullets & Diff powders ! Still 2750 is IN the ball park.

Good Luck

Jerry

Originally Posted by billtrev

I think it's Norma 203b + Reloader 15

Correct, if you change the + to an =

Planning this build to be very light mountain rifle, if I can get a 200 gr T-TSX to 2550 fps on of a 18" barrel I will be happy with it!

That should be easily possible. In fact wouldn't be surprised with 2600.

My only dealings with the .358 Win was a Browning BLR several years back. Due to the magazine length, I found I could not load the 200 TTSX, but the 200 TSX was fine. I also had some Remington 200 PCL, both got right at 2600 with IMR 3031. I didn't try a lot of powders and I didn't keep the rifle. At the time I had a very jeaous Mod 700 Classic in 35 Whelan AI and it wouldn't allow me to hunt with another 35! Good luck to you Pard!

Originally Posted by Mule Deer

Ted,

When I wrote that article for HANDLOADER (which included both the .338 Federal and .358 Winchester) a decade ago, I experimented with a few powders in a Ruger Hawkeye stainless .358 witha 22" barrel. The two top loads for 200's were 52.0 grains of Norma 201 with the 200 Hornady Spire Point, and 52.0 grains of TAC with the 200 TSX. Both got right around 2750 with groups of about an inch.

John,

Do you know what year and what issue that article was in?

Originally Posted by kandpand

Originally Posted by Mule Deer

Ted,

When I wrote that article for HANDLOADER (which included both the .338 Federal and .358 Winchester) a decade ago, I experimented with a few powders in a Ruger Hawkeye stainless .358 witha 22" barrel. The two top loads for 200's were 52.0 grains of Norma 201 with the 200 Hornady Spire Point, and 52.0 grains of TAC with the 200 TSX. Both got right around 2750 with groups of about an inch.

John,

Do you know what year and what issue that article was in?

Found my thumb drive it was Handloader, #254 August-September 2008

I think this is an often overlooked niche in hunting guns.

Big bores

+

Short light handy rifles

+

Light for caliber bullets pushed fast (lighter TTSX bullets especially)

=

Plenty of penetration and expansion at moderate ranges. Big Holes. Good Penetration. Good Blood. Quick Death.

I have a ton of 200 TTSX for my Whelen project... Just hope it likes them... thinking of cutting it back to the 19” range, my .338 federal is 17” and I Looooove it, hope to get a good 160 gr. Load worked up by next season.

The good old "Express" concept.

Those Brits were pretty smart fellas.

Originally Posted by Mjduct

I think this is an often overlooked niche in hunting guns.

Big bores

+

Short light handy rifles

+

Light for caliber bullets pushed fast (lighter TTSX bullets especially)

=

Plenty of penetration and expansion at moderate ranges. Big Holes. Good Penetration. Good Blood. Quick Death.

I have a ton of 200 TTSX for my Whelen project... Just hope it likes them... thinking of cutting it back to the 19” range, my .338 federal is 17” and I Looooove it, hope to get a good 160 gr. Load worked up by next season.

Mjduct
My 35 Whelen shoots 200 grain T-TSX MOA with 60 gr. of RL15.

My Whelen is a great gun but for years I started wanted a short barrel (17.5 to 18.5) 358 light weight brush gun. I started this thread after reading Luke Moffat's story about his "uberlight" 16.25 inch barreled Montana 358 that he has hunted with the past several years. His project ended up under 4 lb 9 oz scoped pushing 200 gr TSX at 2600.

I have the Montana donor now so time to start sourcing the other parts.

Here is the link to that story

http://www.rokslide.com/uberlight-kimber-rifle-build/

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The 185 ttsx from a 338 fed north of 2700 is pretty impressive too. The guys here have shown me the light on that one. That 200 gr Barnes would probably be my first choice in a 358 too.

I really really need a 358......

I'd stick to 20"...but I like my eyebrows... seriously, I don't see much gain by sdropping below 20" in the 358. I had my Hawkeye shortened because at 20" the muzzle is below the top of my head when slung traditionally and won't hit the ground when I kneel slung upside down.

I am in agreement MJduct.

I have a 16” 358 win. 200 Tsx with TAC is what I get for velocity. It’s a short handy little devil that I like a lot to carry.