FYI,

Seems Lipseys has recently received an order (don't know how many since they are allocated) of Ruger Hawkeye's in 9.3x62. If you're looking, some FFL's, somewhere, will have them.

FAMILY:77 Centerfire Series MODEL:M77 Hawkeye TYPE:Rifle ACTION:Bolt Action FINISH:Polished Blue STOCK/FRAME:Wood Stock STOCK/GRIPS:Walnut w/ Ebony Forend Tip WEIGHT:7 lbs. 6 oz.
CALIBER/GAUGE:9.3 x 62 CAPACITY:4+1 BARREL:24" RATE-OF-TWIST:1-in-10
SIGHTS:Gold Bead Front/Folding Rear SAFETY:3 Position Safety ADDL INFO:Blued Bolt Handle ADDL INFO:Barrel Band/Open Sights ADDL INFO:Red Recoil Pad EXCLUSIVE:LIPSEY'S EXCLUSIVE

Thanks for the head's up. If only it was an RSI model.....

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=RUHM77RSB9.3X62

The RSI would get my money immediately. Rusty

Anybody know

1) if these will be offered on the internet, e.g., Whitakers, Buds, etc

2) what the street price is expected to be (Yeah, dummy....street = MSRP....I get it)

Lipsey's goes through stocking dealers so I'm sure you will see several on gunbroker and Whittaker's can order on for you. Actual retail price will most likely be somewhere in the $900 range but that's a total WAG.

Two showed up on GB today for $1200 shipped.

Hmm, trying to catch those who want to be the first on their block...

Definitely some price skimming going on, but I'd be surprised if we saw them for sub-$1000

I talked with Whittakers about this rifle and they said it was on their wish list to get it.

I think I'll wait on them and hope they will. I bought the 6.5x55 from them last year.

They priced under a grand last year.

The 1:10 is a nice touch.

I honestly figured it’s a typo . Dunno

Edit : in hindsight I think all the rugers have been 1:10

Maybe 1:10 is a nice touch, due to the present obsession with being "under-twisted." But the original 1:14 twist (or thereabouts) is plenty for any 9.3mm bullet made today.

Twist is beginning to be a marketing concept, though many don't understand the basic fact that it's also dependent on caliber. The "necessary" twist for long bullets isn't standard for all calibers, but directly dependent on a ratio to bore diameter. A 1:10 twist in .30 caliber is actually a pretty fast twist, like 1:8 in 6.5mm or 1:9 in 7mm--and so is 1:14 in .366.

Agreed that 14 is sufficient. My Pac Nor 9.3X62 is a 12.

But I haven’t seen Bill Steigers proven wrong yet in that extra RPM increases bullet expansion and terminal oomph. Have you seen instances of too much twist being a negative with tough bullets? Thanks.

May be sufficient in the accuracy dept. But after doing some penetration test on dry print with 35 caliber rifles and Swift 280's The faster twist gave better penetration with heavy for caliber bullets.

I would bet the 300's twisting at 1:10 out of a 9.3 would do the same, give more penetration than the 1:14.

Interesting. That's not what I've seen in smaller calibers with lead-core bullets, apparently because faster twists encourage wider bullet expansion.

John, My results were from a Remington 700 in 350 Rem Mag with a 1:16 twist and a Ruger 77 350 Rem Mag with a 1:12 twist shooting into dry print at 100 yards.

The 35/280 SAF's shot with fine accuracy in the Rem 700 but they gave very poor penetration.
In fact, they gave the poorest penetration of any bullet tested which included 200's, 225's, and 250's.

The same 35/280 SAF out of the Ruger 77 gave far better penetration.

I might be missing something here, but it's my results.

I have a Ruger #1 in 9.3X74R and it's twisted 1-10" It is super accurate. I expect the Hawkeyes will shoot every bit as well. At around $1000 to $1100 I believe they will sell well.

It would be better if they were "real world priced" at about $850 to $900. Personally I think if Ruger was to make them in larger numbers the caliber would become even more popular then it is now. Winchester, Browning, Remington, Savage and even Mossberg should all pay attention to this.

Now I could be wrong, but I base my opinion from a trend I have seen here. I live in Wyoming, which is a "gun state" and hunting is a major deal here. But we also have the smallest population of any state in the USA.
I have been doing gunsmithing for 1/2 a century and in those years the top selling caliber for custom rifles has been the 270 Winchester. Those that come close are the 30-06, 7MM Rem Mag, and until the AR15 got so popular, the 22-250 was one of the shells asked for most in custom rifles.

In a busy year it was not uncommon to chamber 6-8 barrels a year with those chamber reamers. But starting about 3 years ago the demand for builds (and re-barrel jobs from 25-06s, 270s, 30-06s) to 9.3X62 has been a shock to me. In the last 3 years (almost 3 year anyway) I have now installed 21 barrels chambered in 9.3X62 in existing rifles, or custom builds. And the demand for the 270 and the 30-06 (for me in my shop at least) is now behind the 9.3X62.

Is this just a Local phenomenon inside Wyoming and with some spill-over into Idaho and Montana? Or is this something that is national?
Other gunsmiths and gun dealers, please chime in here.

I am wondering if this cartridge has finally been "discovered" all over the USA, or it it's just something that has grabbed the attention of hunters around the "grizzly country".

I built my own or had it built from a 1988 Tang Safety Ruger 77. It was a .30-06 and I had it rebarreled with a Shllen Match barrel. It shoots great and kills like lightning. With Speer 270 grain semi spitzer hot cores it is plenty of hammer for anything on this side of the pond.


I think mine is a 1:12 twist.

SU 35 thanks for this. I always suspected this but had not seen any verification. I am surprised that's twist so close showed a difference. I think if only solids were used then it would be even clearer. I agree with the lighter expanding bullets penetrating less with faster twists and more velocity due to more violent upset. But not sure how solids would react to more twist and velocity, seems even they have an optimal ratio of velocity to penetration and twist.

Szinh agree but wish they would do it up like the African model with good wood. Then maybe offer an economy or working model with a synthetic stock for Alaska and those on a budget.

szihn,

We only have our own Mule Deer to blame for the popularity of the 9.3's.

Geno

I really like that configuration in the 9.3x62. If they can be had for $900, it's worth buying an extra and holding on to it

How many do Lipsey's order? 500 or 250?

I wish we could get them out here in Australia. Quite a few of us wanted the run of 7x57s they did a couple of years ago but none were available here. I'd buy one of these 9.3x62s if I could get one. I have one in a No1S that Ruger did a few years ago but that bolt gun looks very nice.

Nah. I had Cliff LaBounty rebore an FN 30-06 to 9.3x62 in 2000 and took it to Africa in 2002.

Lipseys received 40 total rifles. I don't know if they have more coming. Wholesale is $929.90.

Ed, are you saying we should blame you..................for giving John the idea?

Geno

A bit hard to tell for sure from the picture, but it kinda of looks like they put a front swivel stud on both the fore end and the barrel?

Just looked at Ruger's website. On the exclusive 6.5x55 they list "optional fore end swivel stud." I wonder if that is something other than an extra stud to be mounted wherever on the fore end you want. If so, there is some potential there for someone to really "bubba" it up.

I just bought one of these Rugers from Whittakers Guns after searching several days.
Whittakers has a few more coming to them.

$ 1029.99

Talk to Derrick or Eric ext 107

If only I had $1,100 to spare...

That's a beautiful gun in a cartridge I'd love to own. And, of course, Whittakers has a fair price on it...

Hi, new to the forum. Just wanted to say thanks to GSSP, and all the others talking about the new Ruger Hawkeye African in 9.3x62. I ordered one the day I saw the post and just picked it up yesterday. My dealer got the one their Lipsey's sales rep had set aside for who ever asked first. Very thankful to finally have one of these beauties. I have some pictures of it in the image gallery section. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.

Good looking rifle Jeepguy,

I'll be picking mine up next week.

That is awesome! Glad I was able to help in some small way. PM inbound.

Alan

Thanks SU35 and GSSP.