Thoughts on this cartridge and the factory loads available for it?

I really like the idea of this cartridge in a trim bolt action rifle. Very low recoil. Great ballistics for longer range shooting and deer hunting with the 80-90 grain bullets.

Is it going to be around for the long term?

Many thanks,
Expat

As a Valkyrie owner my advice would be get a fast twist .223 for comparable ballistics or top them both with a fast twist 22-250. Valkyrie brass sucks and factory ammo is questionable at best.

It makes a bit of sense in an AR15 platform. With a bolt action, hand me a 22 Creed and call me a happy boy.

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Interesting feedback so far.

I love the cartridge. It makes sense ONLY if you want to shoot over 77 grainers. Below 77s you’re better off sticking with the 223 just for the cost alone. As I said before Valkyrie brass is horrible. It only lasts a few firings at best. My particular barrel shoots the 60 grainers the best so its really a waste. I’m working on a load for the heavies but by the time I figure it out I’ll burn through my 500 pieces of brass and burn out the barrel. YouTube is your friend. Big man outdoors and johnnys reloading bench are great resources for Valkyrie info.

Good luck

Given my 40 year quest to replace my 220 Swift with something comparable, I am thinking the 22 Creed is where you'll find me.

What about using Hagar brass necked down?

I’ve heard of the Hagar brass being used to improve 22 Nosler but never the Valkyrie. Tell us what you know please.

The head size is the same, the shoulder just needs to be pushed back a little. Looks like 1 trip through a sizing die to me.

Check out Johnny's Reloading vid on the "22 Nosgar".

22 Valkyie was invented to late to be a good success

The Valkyrie will be a success in the AR platform. The 22 Grendel would have been a better adoption, but it didn't get Federal Ammo support so the Valkyrie it is.

In a bolt gun, the 22 Creedmoor is the way to go for fast; regular 223 for normal.

I think it's a dumb idea myself. Why are we trying to do so much with a .22 caliber bullet? next thing we will be trying to shoot 105 grain 22s with a 5 twist barrel. Where does the madness end?

If you want to shoot at very long ranges, don't try to do it with a mouse gun. Simple as that.

22 creed was made for 75's.....

Seems like the target market for this and the .22 Nosler are pretty small, though maybe those few shoot a bunch. Since I'm a bolt gun and falling block kinda guy, there are better choices.

Because it works? Already doing 95 grainers with a 6” twist. A 80-100 grain bullet designed correctly will kill every herbivore in NA. Doing so in a .224 gives you great BC and BETTER terminal ballistics than doing it with a bigger caliber and same size bullet.


8-10 ft-lbs of recoil is about the cutoff for stupid easy shooting. You get the most for the least with heavy, high BC well designed bullets in .22 cal.

Absolutely this. I used to hunt deer with a .30-06 and elk with a .338 WM. I just don’t need that anymore for either species. I addition, I spend a lot more time shooting gongs with my rifles than I do animals, so why not light-kicking cartridges with great ballistics that also kill ungulates well? I keep a .30-06 around in case something makes me mad. I doubt anything will.

Expat

That’s what I’m thinking for whatever big cased .22 I settle on. VLDs for targets and 77 LRXs for deer.

I read an article this morning that ballisticians recommend 24'' barrels for the Valkyrie. Does anyone have any thoughts on barrel length? Formidilosus, I'm especially interested in your input.

Better terminal ballistics?
A 90 224 make mo damage than a 243 90grain?
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I have been pondering the Valk ever since it hit the news.
I might get me a savage 18 inch and load up something 75 to 77
To think you got an auto loading light weight carbine that is certain death flat to 500 yards all day long...
Hopefully good brass will come in abundance at a good price

The Valk works fine in all barrel lengths. I personally don’t like long barrels and would go 18” max.








Different for the same bullet type. So imagine a 90gr Hornady ELD-M or similar for both. That’s is a fragmenting bullet that as it penetrates it’s peeling the nose off until it fragments completely or it looses enough mass to cease penetration. The .224 version has more bullet to peel off. You’ll get deeper penetration with similar width of wounding versus the .243 version.

There is a nice write up on the 224 in the Hodgdon 2019 annual reloading manual.

The real advantage to the Valkyrie is heavy's in a mag length round; to me with the higher BC 80's + higher velocity is near optimum for that round.

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For sure. Mines pretty wicked with 75 ELDs at 2975. I’ve got the 88’s ready to go soon.

I kicked around a Valkyrie or a .22 Grendel for a bit. Thinkin' 1:7 ARP barrel. 20-22". Rifle or Rifle+.

While the suck is strong with Hornady or Federal Brass, Starline makes brass for the Valk and in 6.5 Grendel. If their rifle brass can hang with their pistol brass, it should be GTG.
IF brass quality is the biggest issue, Lapua makes 6.5 Grendel brass. One easy pass through a sizer die should settle any brass quality questions/issues.

Grendel honestly made more sense to me. Shorter case leaves more room in the mag for 88's, but admittedly I've loaded for neither and it may be a non issue.

Fact is, I think I've settled on pitching together a 1:7 .223AI on a bolt gun. But I waffle more than John Kerry..............

I have some factory ammo in 4 different weights that I'm going to begin testing when the wind slows down to under 30 mph...
It will also give me some brass to load back.

You won't regret that decision.

David

This is exactly the way I see it.....

Further, I completely understand the desire to shoot heavy bullets in the 22 calibers.....but IMO we are just better off to have a closer look at the somewhat larger calibers....having said that, it's no big trick to make a .223, 22-250, or .220 Swift or even a 22-6mm or .22 Middlestead using a fast twist barrel

I think you should check out the 226 Barnes QT and with the newer powders it should do even better. Just saying. Cheers NC