How fast have you pushed .284 120 bts on meat? Thanks, Jud

I know he likes that bullet with his 280 AI.

Hopefully he'll see this.

You can try to send him a PM, hopefully he'll see it on an email notice.

Can't tell you the speed, but son-in-law has been using them in 7RM last few years on white-tail deer and hogs. Seem to work just as good as they do in my 7mm08. Steve turned me onto them years ago.

Little bitches work good in 7-08/7-08AI.

What are you debating launching em from Jud?

I run them at 3325 fps in my .280AI. They work great near or far (15-300 yards longest kill thus far). We have killed 32 deer with this rifle/load combination all 1 shot DRT.

Full penetration on all shots. Internals totally destroyed.

With all the speed, how is the meat damage? I like to eat venison and do not like a lot of jelly in the meat.

Not Steve, but I have used them at 3200 fps out of my .284 Win. First one didn't exit a whitetail buck at 35 yards, but did make it to the other side getting caught by the skin. Second was a Mule Deer doe at 280 yards penetrating ~ 2-3' of the deer. Hit the shoulder, deflected up the neck and exited out her head. As I recall there wasn't anymore damage to the whitetail than any other C and C bullet as far as jelling meat goes.

The bullet that hit the whitetail at 35 yards shed its core, but still did the damage necessary and obviously penetrated enough.

Late to the talk...what does 120 bts mean? Barnes Triple Shock maybe? I'm used to seeing this as TSX or TTSX.
Thanks,
Rex.

Rex, nosler ballistic tips.

Hey jack, wanting 3450-3500 via 7 saum.

Jud, probably not very pertinent info compared to these other replies, but I've killed lots of deer and a few aoudad with the 120 launched from a 7-08 at 3000fps. It's a very effective killer as you well know. Many times I've found the jacket and core separated underneath the skin on off side, but I don't care about that kind of stuff. It killed stuff dead, very dead, very quickly.

7SAUM and .280AI are peas in a pod as far as case capacity, according to the book of JB, so expect similar velocities.

Not Mr. Timm either, but have used them in my .280 AI on whitetail with fine results. Dropped an average size MN deer at 145 with one and broke the spine. Dropped in tracks and minimal meat damage. Nosler book max loads with H4831 sc works great in my rifle. 3250 +/- fps in 24" barrel. Incidentally, in this rifle with this same powder and book max loads, the 120, 140 and 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips all print inside of the same one inch group at 100 yards.

6.5, not 7mm, but the 120 TTSX or E-Tip in the 26 Nosler at 3,450 fps is very destructive on meat, probably too destructive IMO.

Speed kills and for sure with monos.

I once killed a WT doe with my 240, shooting 80 gr. TTSX at 3,600 fps. Weird stuff can happen with low SD monos at hyper velocity. Huge blast effect (hematoma) on the chest wall where the bullet entered, unimpressive pass thru the chest. Long death run. I quit using that bullet in that gun for WT's. Now use the 100 NPT with much better effect.

They say monos don't have a velocity ceiling. Practically speaking, not sure that's true. Even with those bullets, we need to balance velocity with bullet design.

DF

A sample of one?

Not Tim.

We shoot them in Remington 700 in 7 mag. Seems to be a standard load for Remingtons with Rem brass, cci 250(very important), 72-73g of R#22, 120g nosler ballistic tip at 3500. Kills deer very well.
Bullets do not always go through a buck, but they rarely ever travel 50 yards. I worked up a load for a custom 7 STW with IMR 7828 at 3850 shooting three shot groups in the 2's, and at 3900, the groups were in the same bullet hole, but as wrecking brass. I never killed anything with the 120's at 3850. I did think that If i were still shooting rock chucks, that a 120g V max would sure make a Rock Chuck fly!

Years ago, Nosler made the 120g lead tip solid base, and these bullets we did shoot in the 7 stw at 3850 with no failures on deer what so ever. I have talked to nosler about making a 120 accubond and they said that it would never happen. We then worked up loads with the 120g Barnes ttsx with the same powder charge as the ballistic tips, adjusted COAL for the barnes, amazing accuracy. We never killed any deer with the 120g ttsx at 3850, either. Reamer used on this custom 7 STW was a zero freebore reamer set up for 140g Nosler C/T bullets at 3550.

Yep. You're right about that.

But one I won't forget and don't plan to duplicate.

DF

Seems there was some confusion about the OP's bullet, NBT or TTSX.

Think we're talking about both. I know JG likes the 120 NBT in his 7-08. I do, too.

DF

A sample of 1 doesn't make a trend

Copy that uncle Johnny. I push em hard, the “varmint’ bts, 80’s @3650 via 6ai and the do good, sure the 120’s will hammer shiit too.

Only shot 1 whttl doe at 110 yds and mule deer doe at 40 yds with the load Keith used 120 BT and RL-22 at 3500 fps. Both were side to side rib cage shots and exited as well as DRT on the spot with no flop or kicking, just boom/ splat RFN. Did not think I had any more bloodshot meat than anything else but as I say the placement was behind the shoulders as far as internal damage goes not excessive but about like a 139 SP fb Hornady in the 7mm Rem Mag. I wouldn't recommend them if you are a shoulder shooter, because I'm sure it would turn a shoulder into something way past dog meat. Just my example of 2. MB

.308 diameter, 150 grain partition, Washington and Green counties , nothin' finer !