I still hear about people wanted to build 375 taylors.

Now that the 375 ruger is here why on earth would the 375 taylor even be considered?

The case diamentions are nearly identical the non belted have a little more case capacity. Actually I think it is a little longer like the 375 epstien 375/300 win.

To me it would be like building a bolt action 30-40 craig rather than a 30-06.

maybe cause brass is cheaper for the Taylor and as much as most of us dream of going to Africa most realize the closest we will get is blasting varmints with elephant guns

For me, I like something different, preferring the older cartridges and the new short mags and the like pretty much duplicate what's already out there. I load for all my rifles so the availability of factory ammo has zero influence on the calibers I choose and I will probably never go to Africa.

Actually, my second 375/338 arrived today. It was built by Bevan King in BC who makes his own bbls. It's on a 700 action and will be going into a B&C stock.

Ah...lessons in looneydom.

I have a .375 Ruger, and wouldn't contemplate building a .375 Taylor, or an H&H, for that matter.

But I would much rather have a .30-40 Krag than a mundane, boring, common-place .30-06. The old Krag will do anything I'll ever want a .30-caliber rifle to do, without any fuss or bother. I could see something like a vintage Lee Speed with a shot-out barrel being rebarreled to America's first small-bore smokeless military round... .

Truth is, when you get to the point of changing barrels and wildcatting cartridges, it's just a hobby and has no real relationship with logic, rationality or practicality.

In fact, if it were rational, logical and practical -- it would be a pretty lousy hobby .

DN

On a side note guys but, how would, does a 375 Ruger fit/work in a long action magnum 700?

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Dober

I would imagine it would work great in a rifle that was a 7mm rem mag, 300 win mag or 338 win mag.

Ya think that there would have to be any work done to the bolt face?

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Dober

Nope. Uses the same shellholder -- .532". Case head is the same diameter as the "H&H" family of belted magnums. Carried the belt diameter as the case diameter, so it has slightly more case capacity.

If you had a short action magnum boltface you could rebarrel to .338 RCM. Any barrel length you want, without sights .

DN

I've already a 338 WSM that I think needs to go your way.....<g>

So, on that 700 in a 375 Rugrat (I mean Ruger), would it hold 3 down with the bolt closed you spect and how do you feel it would feed?

The other Mule Deer is gonna run some down in his 700 4 me in the morn and let me know, but if you had to guess what would you think?

And of course I would not be putting any sights on the bugger....! Well maybe I would to humor you, not......pysche

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Dober

My guess is it will feed just fine and hold three down but thats just a guess.

..........no need for the Taylor with the 375 Ruger on the scene. It would be like necking a 270 Win case to 30 caliber...

That's true, but there's lots of calibers out there that duplicate one another.

...... so we now have no need for any of the other 30cal Magnums, now that the 300WSM has proven itself?

Dober.

The M700 will hold three down in either belted magnum brass or RUM.

jim

Thx Jim

Dober

Sometimes practicality doesn't, and shouldn't, factor into the equation.

I don't see any real reason to go with either one of those cartridges in lieu of the 375 H&H..........

AD

Fortunately, our choices aren't based on your reasoning...else we'd have far fewer of them.

DN

Fortunately, my choices aren't based on your reasoning, or I'd either have to agree with you or else get shouted down, and of those two options, I'd rather get shouted down.........

AD

Were not talking about the H-H here. The H-H can sometimes require much more work than either of these would entail.

If you have a 7mm mag , a 300 win or a 338 mag it may be as simple as head spacing a 375 ruger, Taylor or Epstien to the action.

Try that with a 375 H-H. It aint happening some of the time. It can be that simple on some Rem long actions.

I have a Ruger stainless/laminated here in 7mmMag that would be a perfect candidate for another 375 Chatfield-Taylor. No hassles with the longer case and lots of brass.

I agree with allen, another solution to a problem that doesn't exist...


Chuck

Who says there is a problem?

Lets say you have a medium action with a mag bolt face and you want to slap a barrel on it.

And your thinking medium bore. More specifically 375.

You can pick 375 taylor, epstein or ruger.

I would go with the ruger because with the same sized package you get a little extra powder capacity. The belts are just taking up space.

I've been thinking of a 300 ruger on the same case as the 375 ruger. I think it would clean up a 300 win mag chamber. It would have all the characteristics of the great 300 winny plus a bit more velocity.

.... maybe, but then with that thought there wouldn't have been any more 30cals developed after the 30/30 and 30/06.

I have zero experience with any 375, but for left hand shooters like myself, besides Ruger offering a lh 375, lots easier to make a 375 Ruger than a 375H&H. I might be wrong, but I look at 375 Ruger as a bump up from a 338. While a 375H&H is a bumb down from a long actioned 416. Not too hard to make a 8.5lb 375 Ruger. I've actually have been thinking about turning my 338 M70 into a 375Rug. With 250/260gr bullets, should make a fine elk/moose gun. Legal for buffalo. All in an 8.5lb or so gun. Tom

SuperCub: Yes, there's lots that duplicate one another; but my point is why mess with a wildcat when you don't have to?Unless of course you just want to...

I'll probably get shrilled at for this comment as well, but here's how I see it:

The real, practical, legitimate hunting domain for any .375 caliber rifle is in coastal Alaska, coastal B.C., Australia, and especially in Africa. In those places, the 375 H&H is a Gold Standard hunting cartridge, and I've never yet been into an African camp that didn't have at least SOME 375 H&H ammo available, just in case.

I've had either my rifles not show up or my ammo not show up twice on safaris, and believe me, such problems are no fun at all to sort out. The very notion of taking any sort of rifle that requires off-beat, exclusive ammo that's only available on your loading bench back home (10,000 miles away!), or fresh from the the design lab is logistically unsound, pure and simple. When in fact it won't do anything on game, in practical terms, that the well-established 375 H&H won't do at least as well is dumber still. That is, if you really plan to use the rifle in far-off places that are expensive to hunt - places where you really can't afford logistical mistakes if they can in any way be avoided.

And the alternatives are for the sake of WHAT? For the convenience of using a standard-cut action? That's like putting the cart before the horse, and it's a totally misplaced priority. Success in ANYTHING comes at your INCONVENIENCE, and that's true of safaris and safari rifle plans as well. Not only that, but it's just not all that hard to find an action that's suitable for the longer cartridge, nor is it all that hard just to come up with a solid factory rifle in 375 H&H. Mostly, it's just a matter of looking and line-time.

There are those guys who's main priority is to continually experiment and hunt with something out of the mainstream or else fresh from the factory and new, or else they plan to hunt within driving distance from home for stuff like elk, moose and bears, so if that's the case, OK, all well and good.

But if your main priority is to simply hunt effectively and to eliminate as many potentical hassles when you touch-down as possible, stick with the 375 H&H, and trust me, the game won't know the difference.........

AD

Well said AD

Dober

Allen:Agree with that.....

All true , no doubt , but I'm willing to bet there will be a time in the not too distant future , when 375 Ruger rifles and ammunition will be about as common in places like Alaska , BC or the Yukon as H&H . The rifles themselves just make too much sense for the native residents of that country.

just my opinion , of course..

SD I truly believe that will be so as well.

And by the way I just ran 3 dummy 375 Ruger rounds down in my old 700 and they work quite well......

Dober

AD, I couldn't agree more, and bow to the experts that hunt the Dark Continent on a regular basis, but......
This thread was started with the reasoning of why build a Taylor
when the Ruger may be a better alterative, whether real or imagined.
It took exactly one response to turn it to Africa. This is Big Bores Only, not big bores in Africa and/or Alaska.
The number of people that own and shoot big bores that go to, or will go to Africa is probably way over whelmed by the number that have them and will never go.
So, if you ain't going to Africa, build whatever blows your skirt up. If your plans change, put a 375 H&H barrel on your gun
and have at it.

PS, I'm building a 375 Ruger as we speak.

Hard to argue with that when Ruger sold 8,000+ 375 Ruger's in its first year according to Shoemaker.

I understand. With all that said, if I wanted a non-H&H 375, the Ruger would be my top choice. It seems to be a really sound cartridge in most ways, and the Ruger rifle is solid gear in its own right..........

AD

Aside from the 222/223 style cases I really don't think that there has been any real cartridge development since the 270Win. The 375H&H would most certainly be included in this group of cartridges..... Also, other than the opportunity to use a standard length action w/o major renovations I don't think for a minute the 375 Ruger or 375 Chatfield-Taylor offer anything over the older H&H esp if one is going to travel with their rifles. The 458Win, 416Taylor, 375/338 and 358Norma were all designed for use in a standard 98 length action and worked pretty well for the intended use.

I chose to get another 375/338 only because I had a set of dies on hand and wasn't going to the Dark Continent any time soon.

True enough, but I'd be lucky to fing a box of 375H&H here in SJ let alone the 375Ruger, so handloading is the only way to go either way.



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Good thing my big gun is a H&R 500 S&W. I dont have to worry if my 375 is cool enough for the crowd.

Supercub, that is the same reason the last pistol I bought was a 41 mag. I already had the dies. I was thinking 44 mag but the 41 suits me just fine.

You aren't necking it down to 7mm are you???

The remington is the only one that I know of that will fit the H-H without mods.

If I was to build a big bore it would not be on the Rem action. But I am not getting into that debate!!!

Why not? Seems all the other calibers work well enough here in NA on a Rem action. Don't get me wrong, I have a CRF Ruger MKII in 7Mag that will prolley be a 375/338 someday, but I would expect my 700 in the same caliber to be just as dependable as all the other 700s I own providing the loading was done properly. Hunting Africa would be another story, but I'm not talking about there.


Don't worry about that! This thread has run it's course anyways.

who did the engraving on your 375?

if you want to put a real barrel into that Ruger 7mag...Cam has been thinking of taking the 416 Taylor barrel off his lefty 700.......

This thread may have run its course but I have seen similiar theads make a few more laps.

Truth is I have been eyeballing that Rem SPS dangerous game 375 H-H. It is a couple hundred bucks less than the ruger.

Who is Cam and how much does he want for the barrel? I'm planning on changing out a 700 in 7mmRM to something bigger but haven't made up my mind on what yet...

RH

That's Bevan's work. I like it.


I think 375 is about my max caliber, but for interest sake .... Is the threading the same?

They ought to sell a few of those units. Perfect for a restocking.

"Cam" and "Rembo" are both the very best to deal with. I've dealt with both.

restocking?

as in .......... a McMillan.

Yepper stick them in a "chubby wubby stock" (aka the Ti) and cut it to 21" or 23" and you'd have a mighty fine and user friendly piece!

Dober

The threads are different but that's not an issue...you face off the 700 counter-bore,rethread to 1" x 16 tpi at the proper length and run the chamber deeper to headspace.

It's a very good prediction. I just received my 375R unprimed cases from Hornady last Wednesday - ordered early January. After a month I called them and their customer sevice lady said they could hardly keep up with the demand for ammo and reloading components.

The largest gunshop in Austin puts the factory ammo out on the counter top when they get some in, because it flys off the shelf so fast. This is significant because there's not a lot of hunting in Central Texas that requires a 375.

The H&H will be around for many years, but only because there's so many guns presently chambered for it and it does the job, but in terms of new gun sales, my feeling is the Ruger is beating the H&H like a dusty rug.

Ruger seems to be on a roll. That LCP .380 is already being resold for more than MSRP.

The Ruger 375 is a very nice cartridge, it definitely has it's advantages. However when it's been in use all over the world for say a hundred years we can pronounce the 375 H&H dead and gone ...

Chuck

The biggest problem with the H&H right now is the lack of brass.

Yeah I am kind of curious as to what on earth is up with that...?

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Dober

Dober:Winchester will be making the 300 and375H&H brass again; my gunstore has it on order.They expect delivery this summer.I have placed my order.

I bought my Remington 375 H&H brass in bulk (50) at Sportsman's Warehouse.

Hmm, the SW here in Boze doesn't even have a bin for 375 H&H's...?

Dober

SW is simply a "box store", and as such, they are only interested in stocking Fast Moving merchandise. Too bad they have run so many Mom & Pops out of business. The M&P stores were more inclined to value regular customers. No "D-House" works on that principle.

Oh...375 Ruger, hands down! ...the New standard for 375...

I like the rem stocks and prefer 24-26 inch barrels. Thank you very much.

Lets put all this BS into perspective..

Although I kinda agree with Allenday, the 375 H&H is my choice..I have to stipulate the 375 Ruger has some things going for it that gun nuts have been whining for over the last several centuries..One, it is a std. action, two it has no belt, both of which have vexed certain individuals over the years, both pros and wannabies...

The Ruger .375 Ruger certainly addresses both of these "weaknesses" percieved or otherwise, now you got your wish!!

Like Allen I don't really see that the shorter action is a particular plus and if one cannot handle that 1/4 inch of stroke then he probably cannot chew gum and walk at the same time, and if the belt bothers you, then remember it has been proving itself for the last couple of hundred years and is a American now as the Colt 1911 and moms apple pie..

That said, I am in the process of finishing up my latest and that is a 416/375 Ruger, should it have been a 416 Rem, probably but hey everybody has one of those and how can I ever make judgements on calibers that I have not tinkered with to one degree or another..

IMO, the 375 Ruger case completely voids the Chatfield-Taylor wildcats, they are of no further use, they did serve a purpose and they were fine wildcats and if you have one they certainly are an easy number to load and I would not run out and get rid of one that I liked, just to buy a Ruger...but if I were shopping today or building such a wildcat then I would opt for the Ruger case.

Bottom line is its all about fun and games otherwise we would all be hunting the world over with a 30-06 with 220 gr. bullets, and no complaints would ever surface...

Ray,

This is what I was looking for:

"IMO, the 375 Ruger case completely voids the Chatfield-Taylor wildcats, they are of no further use, they did serve a purpose and they were fine wildcats and if you have one they certainly are an easy number to load and I would not run out and get rid of one that I liked, just to buy a Ruger...but if I were shopping today or building such a wildcat then I would opt for the Ruger case."

That is my feelings also.

The perceived problem with the 375 H-H is not the 1/4" bolt throw. It is that magnum actions are heavier and double the price of many standard actions. If a guy has a magnum bolt face action just lying around only needing a new barrel it most likely is set up for a medium length case. The remington is the only factory rifle I know of that is routinely set up for a magnum length cartridge at a nominal factory rifle price I will call $600-$700.

I think there is a market for the 375 ruger in any factory rifle that can fit the 300 win mag or 338 win mag. Regular Remingtons, Savages, Weatherby vanguards and such.

Heck, the weatherby vanguard is available in 300 WBY. Why not slap a 375 H-H barrel on it if they dont want to offer the 375 Ruger? This is a rifle that I do not know if the magazines will fit the H-H length in all there chamberings like the Remingtons do.

If that be the case with the 375/338, then could not the same apply to all other similar cased cartridges from the 257Weatherby to the 458? Maybe the days of the belted case are numbered.


True enough ..... most if not all of what we discuss here is about fun and games, thus the word "practical" rarely comes into play.