Hi there, new to the forum. I wanted to warn everyone out there who dreams of owning a double rifle but doesn't have the resources to spend 6k plus on one, and thinks that Sabatti double rifles at cabela's are the answer.

My father was excited when finally, he could buy his boyhood dream double rifle for "only" 3 grand. He made a 300 mile trip to cabelas, traded in several of his guns to generate the capital to afford a sabatti, and got one.

Once he got it home, he noticed two MAJOR imperfections in each of the barrels. In addition, after 20 rounds, the gun had to be literally broken over a knee to open (think the motion of breaking a stick on your knee--yeah, that hard).

He took the gun back to cabelas, and they sent it to EAA in Florida. Yes, USSG (sabatti importer) is the same as EAA. When he got the gun back, they (EAA) had literally polished and cold-blued the barrel problems!!!!! They just tried to hide it!!!!The gun opened ok (for now).

Since the barrels were still messed up, my father looked at another sabatti. It too had the same type of barrel flaws as his did, and this BRAND NEW gun was extremely difficult to open after snapping on empty cases. The hammers are not being cocked soon enough and the firing pins are literally dragging across the primers!!!!! He got his money back, and is now just dreaming about a double again.

IF YOU PLAN ON SHOOTING YOUR SABATTI, DON'T GET A SABATTI--THEY ARE MADE OF INFERIOR MATERIALS AND ARE VERY LOW QUALITY. SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!

Your father may have gotten the only lemon so far. Everyone else that has gotten them is very impressed with the quality for the buck$. One has been examined by JJ Pederou the D/R Guru `smith and he's impressed with the rifle for what it is.
Did you expect an H&H for the price? It's a step up from a Biakal but not a best quality rifle. You get what you pay for.

Nothing personal, Sabattistinks BUT I find it strange that you suddenly appear with this agenda and this name with an axe to grind. Is this your usual name here or are you 'trolling'.

Yep, I just love these simpleton rants. I guess I am royally screwed as I have two of them on lay away to be picked up in a week or so. Oh darn if I only knew...

It seems odd that JJ at Champlin's just torn one apart and gave it very high regards.They appear to be sell well enough,however what did you guys lose on the deal? Sounds like Cabelas stepped up and made right!
I have handled several at my local Cabelas and I was impressed,however a better deal for me came about on a Merkel and I bought it.I have several deals in the works,but I am looking hard at a .450/400 for my needs...or wants.....rifle

Hey Rifle
Go for it. My Sabatti 450/400 is great! Shoots great, handles great, and is at the top of my favorites list. Of course,I have only put a few hundred rounds thru it...?? Maybe it is the 45/70's, or maybe it is an agenda?? I noticed the anti Sabatti rant was everywhere I looked on my gun sites?
Rick

Nothing but an agenda... I wonder who he works for?

Yep, don't own one, never shot one, but sure makes you wonder, with a name like that, and 5 posts......


maddog

I hadn't heard of Sabatti until today. It looks quite interesting! I'm thinking one with ejectors in 470 NE.

When I was a SHOT this year, I had a chance to handle every model of SABATTI double. They really caught my eye because they seemd to be VERY well built guns for the $$. After examining them closely I find it HARD to beleive that any company finishing the outside of a rifle to those standards would scimp on the guts.

JJ Perideaux's rep speaks for itself. If he is impressed with them then that should speak volumes. The bottom line is ANY gun company can relese a flawed product from time to time.

My question is this-Cabelas has a viritual lock on the Sabbati doubles in terms of retailing and promote them hard- WHERE were they during all this?

For the kind of $$ the Sababittis cost ,they should have IMMEDIATAELY exchanged that first rifle with a second, and sent the defective gun back to USSG on THIER time, not the customers.

First of all, I'm not sure I would dismiss the comments as "simpleton rants". For one, its quite condescending and doesn't truly help the situation. Secondly, its seems as though the poster has a legitimate complaint with Sabatti rifles. He is discussing his experience and opinion of the rifles, nothing more. Sure, he could have worded his posts a little differently, but its irrelevant now.

Its these types of snide remarks that honestly do not encourage others to join to forum, or even participate.

Well Jason, when "participation" amounts to aposter's ENIIRE presence here to be nothing more than a blantant attempt to smear the reputation of a gun company(as in his screen name SABBTTISSUCK) WTF do you EXPECT folks here to think?

The dude is obviously spamming this shcit on every online forum he can find.

You have a good point,but I believe the OP did say Cabelas made it right. I would doubt that even as big as Cabelas is,that they would have a stock of double rifles sitting on a selves like a pile of Remington's or Savages.Maybe,an exchange was not possible at the time? I'm just sayin'......

Cabelas did step up and front the money for these,whereas other dealers turned their noses up at them. I know of several that have be sold and are being shot regularly.I will imagine that a fair number will turn up at the Vintage Cup next week....

Rifle,

Duly noted about Cabela's.

Also knowing their trade in poilcies/valutations, I bet part of the poster's ire toward the whole sdeal was the number of rifles his father had to come up to reach $3,000 if he traded them in through Cabelas..

It would not surprize me if a lot of them showed up a V.C. events as shooters, because the ones I saw a SHOT looked very solid for what they cost. I was really shocked to see them in a large Co_OP style Eurpoean gunmaker booth. They had a rack full of them for folks to handle and examine at their leisure. i spent about a half hour there looking themover.

About the only thing that turned me off on the high grades was the glossy wood finish, but that can be fixed.

A double for SIX GRAND? please direct me to where I can buy one or did you mean six grand per barrel? I'm sorry but you get what you pay for. Double rifles, real ones start at about twn grand and go up from there. jorge

Here ya go...
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/c...778111_sabti92_dun.jsp?hierarchyId=10473

I have heard from a lot of associates who own the guns and talked to some very good double gun experts and I have heard only great things about these guns..

I know that Champlains and JJ as stated above gave the guns excellent reviews..That is pretty good reference anyway you cut it.

Bill Morrison told me that they are rave reviews going on over on Accurate Reloading about these guns, and they have some very knowledgable double gun folks over there.

rifle, I didn't doubt the price for a Sabatti was accurate, just that you get what you pay for. Where are they made?

They are made in Italy by Sabatti--a company that dates from the 1800s. They have primarily made shotguns in the past.

Wow, guess I should have read the entire thread, if JJ from Champlin plus all of you guys that own one speak highly of it, maybe I need to eat some crow and go take a look at one before I open my yap! jorge

No my fiend,I felt no doubt... It is an unbeleiveable DR for the price. I am normally NOT impressed with any of the new guns,however looking and handling one of these "reeks" of shooting something big.In today's world,I think it's smart money for someone that has the DR Itch with having to set up a mortgage loan....rifle

Well I'm certainly going to take a good hard look at one. It's taking a lot of will power not to call Cabelas and order that 450NE from their Michigan store but I guess I'll wait until January for the DSC convention and handle one there at the Cabelas exibit or wait until my next business trip to Texas and check them out at the Fort Worth store. I was planning on buying one before too long and this might save me a LOT of money. thanks!

There are several active threads on AccurateReloading about the Sabattis, and views are generally favorable. I've handled both the 500NE and the 45-70 at Cabelas and found them to be well finished, with good wood to metal fitting, even wood finish and checkering, and the actions were smooth. Opening the actions felt similar to opening a new Browning Citori--somewhat stiff, but firm and not rigid. My bet is they would smooth up with use, just like a good shotgun. That is only my impression, though, from having handled a few samples at the Lacey, Wa. Cabelas.

Gee... No further word from Sabattistinks? I expected more.

Just a word from experience, do not think that Cabelas website is current. It took some work and a bit of luck to get my two rifles layed away. Those that I was interested in on their site were already on lay away though not marked as sold when I emailed them. The 9.3x74's are the most difficult to land. Mine just happend to land the day I emailed and had never been out of their receiving dept.

And yes, Sabattistinks is a simpleton....

If you are interested in one,move quick,last year they ran out at SCI and DSC and had to take names...Do not rely on the site either,they are getting about 4 million hits a month on the Internet."May be here today and gone tomorrow" is the rule with them,I've bought a few guns from them, but you cannot be a procrastinator with them....
They also hit off the Guns International site and they move some guns....FWIW

Business trip? I thought you was retired!.....


maddog

I am, sort of. Spent nine months on the lam and got called by an Aircraft/Aerospace company so I'm working again to keep the wife in shoes and me in guns and safaris.

Good Plan!

On gunsinternational.com under European Double Rifles the pages are full of new and used Sabattis at prices as low as $3000 to $5400...Look like nice guns and lots of good words about them..I noticed they have several 450-400s and a couple of 450-3.25..I think the gun is too light for a 450-3.25, but perfect for a 450-400...looks like you get a target with them..

I am sure they get a lemon now and then, and I know Cabellas will always make it right on refunds and replacement, at least that has been my lifetime results with them. If your dad looked at another and it had the same problem then he should have made them show him another without that problem, and brought the problem to the attention of customer service, I know they would deal with it if the problem is legitamate.

I have NEVER had a problem with any of Cabela's customer service. They respond and act immediately to remedy all complaints. I really question the original post.

So, sabattistinks seems to be a drive-by troll....

Sounded like someone didn't get their way.....

"a drive-by troll"....that's funny right there!!

It'd probably take much more time than it's worth but if the admin or a mod were to compare the ISP numbers...... It might yeild some interesting results.