I am planning to build a dangerous game rifle this year. I want to buy a .416 ruger... a newer one with barrel band. And am pondering scope/sight options. I was originally thinking about putting a good quality red dot on there but now I realized I want some magnification. One scope that caught my eye is the trijicon accupoints, they are battery free.

The one I like is the Tr-21 which is 1.25x -4x. The thing I am wondering is the eye relief is 3.2 - 4.8" just wondering if this would be enough on a .416 ruger

At least the TR21 offers some flexibility with eye relief. The TR24, which is the 30mm tube, 1x-14x is advertised as 3.2" - period.

My concern with the TR21 is whether there will be enough for and aft movement on the long action Ruger to be able to get it positioned properly.

FWIW, I've been consider a Trijicon, but can't make up my mind on the reticle - red triangle, green triangle or green door & crosshair. I haven't been too impressed with the brightness of the green dot & crosshair that is on the shelf at a local retailer. Unfortunately they do not have any models with different reticles to do a side by side comparison. I'm looking to put one on a M70 375 H&H or a .416 Ruger built on a M700 or M70 std L/A.

The Trijicon is one of the best scopes i have owned and should make a great companion to your Ruger

yea thats why i'm leaning toward the tr 21. Good points. I'm looking into other brands with battery illuminated reticles. Another thing with any fiberoptic/tritium reticle is they can be washed out therefore LED is better in those cases

Thanks bea

Not a fan of artifically lighted reticles, but if I HAD to go that way, I'd go with a Swaro - Leupy VX-R as a last resort.

Polska - IF you can buy a .416 Ruger, presumably a Ruger "African" not an "Alaskan" or Number 1, then in the words of Rudyard Kipling "you're a better man than I..." as I finally gave up bugging Mike Fifer and waiting on Ruger to produce one. Building one is just too expensive for me. Regards, Homesteader.

WiFowler,

I'm wondering how much you actually know about Trijicon AccuPoints, since your entire experience experience seems to be looking at them in a sporting goods store.

First, the reticle isn't "artificially" lighted. It's a combination of tritium a fiber-optic that's enhanced by sunlight, not a battery. Second, the amount of glow is controlled by a sliding window on the scope.

I have used various Trijicon AccuPoints in the field for considerable hunting on rifles up to .416 Rigby, and they work great. The 1.25-4x is one of my favorite hunting scopes for larger-core rifles, one reason I've used it not just around home but in Alaska and Africa.

I have both of the Trijicon mentioned above.

The 1.25-4 is quite short for the longer actions. This scope has the post with red triangle reticle and is OK but we have a lot of red leaves here in the fall.

The 1-4 30mm is mounted on a Talkeetna 375. The eye relief is good and not as fixed as the ad may make one think. I chose the green triangle post reticle as we also have a lot of bright yellow willow leaves here. The green would be my choice for most use.

Last fall, our moose season was quite warm and bulls wouldn't move in the warmer part of the day. I had watched and called a big bull for five hours but couldn't coax him in.....as the sun set on the other side of the mountain, the bull responded to my call and came up the hill to challenge me......the Trijicon reticle showed up like a "white bean in a black cat's butt" on that black moose shoulder.....I probably could have done the same with most of my lower power scopes but this Trijicon would have allowed me a precsie shot behind the ear or some such.

BTW, I prefer post reticles for low power scopes and big game so the Trijicon post was a natural for me.

John,

Thanks for the concern over my knowledge of the Trijicon Accupoint scopes. Can I take that to mean that you will be forwarding one to me so that I can evaluate it on one of my 'scope deprived' rifles?

FWIW, my reference to 'artificially' lighted reticles was in fact to those that use a battery - Leupold VX-R, Swaro Z6i, etc. I'm entirely aware that the Trijicon Accupoint is in fact a dual-illuminated reticles, using both tritium and natural light enhance fiber-optics.

Great input.

Those triangles really do allow precise shot placement. I didn't think so but I was pleasantly surprised. I have an amber one. Excellent optics to say the least. A friend can read the print on targets at 100yds with his 4x Trigicon. Very crisp image.

Thanks. I hear ya, I like the alaskan cause of the synthetic/stainless.

Thanks. Triangle with post is basically like a red dot

Right now it's my first choice.

How is it at nigh or in total darkness?? From what i've read it's good for "low light" does that mean it's only designed for dawn/dusk type light, and is useless at night?? I want something I can use at night too if i'm gonna pay $800

Usually....with most scopes I've used,.....as light diminishes, you will lose the reticle first before you lose the animal....of course background or moonlight may have an effect here.

So seeing the animal is useless without a visible reticle.

The triangle is mush more precise than most red dots, at least for me!

If you take the scope in an absolutely dark room, you can still see the tritium dot.

If you've ever seen a Luminox watch, it's the same thing.

I'm certain the triangle would be even mo' better. (I have the crosshair/dot)

With Trijicon scopes the lower the light the better you can see the dot or triangle . If i had the cash i would replace every scope i have with the Trijicon. I have so many scopes i would have to mortgage my home to do this. My favorite reticle in the Trijicon is the Amber Mil Dot

great thread fellas, been curious too about the clarity and low light contrast of the Trijicon hunting scopes. I've a 26" barreled 9.3x64 and don't know spit about the TR22 and think that this scope would be good on this rifle of mine here in Alaska. I've used the low power'd Lpy's an suspect all I would need is the 1-4 Trijicon but is there any advantages to going with the larger model of Trijicon since we're on this subject of accupoints. Read that the larger objectives give way to damage or inaccuracies via impacts easier than smaller obj.....

I could be easily swayed from buying the Zeiss Diavari this summer if clarity and all is persuasive enough.

bea175....you're comment is encouraging!

Chandalar, it's nice to have something that is functional at night especially where you are, in case a bear comes strolling around at night. Plus no batteries required.

Just make sure you get the 1.25-4 not the 1-4x version. The 1.25x version is designed for "dangerous game" and "big game" hunting, as I saw on the trijicon website. It has up to 5" eye relief. While the The 1x-4x version has shorter eye relief of only 3.2" designed more for assault rifles

I have a trijicon 3-9 red triangle
It is a great scope. I'll give as many details to get rid of any mith and provide some information or answer most questions about it.

- I would not by any trijicon rifle scope unless it was an accupoint(maybe acog). the dot on the crosshair scopes is just not that visable and the whole advantage to the accupoint is that your eye draws to it naturally and fast. The accupoint also allows you to keep both eyes open and when you find your target, your eye will automatically focus on the reticle and target.

-The accupoint is blazing red, like an LED in the sun, like bright red paint in dark overcast or shade, and a just the right brightness in pitch black to not ruin your night vision. I've never had a problem not seeing the red reticle in any conditions against any back ground

-If you don't want the lit reticle, you can turn the shade over the fiber optics and have a black triangle to aim with.

-Trijicons pass most, no artificial lights on scope laws because it is not created by any electronics.

-the glass is clear and works well at dusk. no more wondering where your crosshairs are.

- if you want to use it at night hunting with a red light, I might choose a different color than the red reticle.

-I'm not sure how the eye relief is on the lower powers, but my 3-9 has more eye relief than the leupold VX-3 1.5-5 I had.

-Yes, a down side, the accupoint isn't as great for hold over shots at over 300 yards because the post under the triangle can block some veiw.

-the lense will fog if you breath on it in cold weather, but you can apply an anti fog coat for cheap

-mine has held up to the recoil of a 416 rigby no problem

-the tritium can get dimmer over 10 years, but during any light the reticle will always be like new and if you really need that pitch black illumination, trijicon will recharge the tritium for you to last the next ten years(not sure on the price, but I'm guessing $100)

Over all, this is a great scope if you get the accupoint. Some may not need the options this scope provides, but after I couldn't see my crosshairs the first time, I decided on one of these and have been happy with it.

I have had this scope on many rifles that have been sold, but the scope always stays with me. Once you get into the Swaravski scopes and such, then they are probable better than the trijicons, but for half the price, trijicon does a wonderful job without electronics or batteries.
They are very expensive, I think because they are the only ones that can claim this technology in a high end scope.(I think they should be a few hundred less, but they are still worth it for the options it gives to me.