I think that I'm goin to get a Remington model 700 in 375 this year and was wondering which to get out of these 2 choices a 375 H&H or 375 RUM ? I might go with the 375 RUM since I already have a 7mm RUM and 300 RUM if I get the 375 RUM then maybe I will sell my 338 win mag and get a 338 RUM and have all 4 of them. LOL

The one you want most. Whomever dies with the most toys wins.

I have one in 375 H&H and I like it. Haven't shot it in a while but it does great on elk sized animals, saving it for moose and if I can ever finance that brown bear trip lol!

I have an Alaskan Wilderness Rifle (AWR) in 338 RUM if you want to jump the gun!

i have a .375 AI and two .375 Ultra rifles. i don't notice much diff in recoil (except for rifle weight) or performance. i do like that the Ultra can do the same job with lower pressure.

A .375 H&H in a CZ or Winchester will resale better in the future,IF you decide to unload it.....
They will be much better to hunt with as well.

+ 1000, with emphasis. Model 700's are really good varmint/target and backyard deer rifles. Usefullness and appropriateness ends there, hard. For important or perhaps even moderately dangerous hunts, you can do much better, easily. Almost all are better than a model 700 for that caliber.

If not hunting dangerous game.... 375 Rum 260 accubond at 3050 fps... Whats not to like?... I have one in the xcr 700... extremely accurate.. Three touching at 100.

i call BS on the 700 bashin'. i have a M70 in .375 AI and i hunt it, but the M700 .375 Ultra has been every bit as faithful. when it came time to pick one for a solo back pack hunt 10 miles into griz infested wilderness, the M700 went hunting because it weighs a pound and a half less.

if you choose a CRF as personal preference, fine, that's what we do, but it's laughable to suggest the M700 will gag if you take it past the back yard...

and the myth continues to grow...

Get the H&H. It'll go through an elephant from side to side and a Cape buffalo from end to end. The RUM just adds more flinch. The H&H is 100 years old. Nothing else close to it has lasted nearly as long. Besides, you can find H&H ammo in Dande North but not RUM ammo.

Yep. Or 375AI/WBY as they can feed on regular H&H ammo as well in a pinch.

Gotta +1 on the H&H. Easy shooting, plentiful ammo and a classic. My good buddy talked me into it and he was spot on. No sissy skull splitting muzzle brake needed. Past that, put a Winchester 70 on Alaskaslist at the same time as anything else and see what sells fastest. Win 70s are like currency.

If you plan on traveling to hunt, ammo availability of the H&H might be a plus.

Wait until Remington comes out in a 375 Ruger.

The 375 H&H has all the horses you actually need.

with .473 BC 260 accubond bullet at over 3k MV the rum is as flat shooting as 270 Win w/ 130 bullet. That ain't bad company. Think FLATTEN elk at 400 aiming on hair. Not sure the H&H can say the same unless you redline the bejesus out of it.

Again, we come up with the 375 H&H AI'ed or 375 (not 378) Weatherby versions which can also hit those numbers and still use regular H&H ammo all day long to good effect.

I've never had a bolt handle come off,an extractor quit and the trigger screw up on any of my Mausers or Winchester....
Those are facts known around the world!
and this will draw some smoke...
Remingtons are junk,always have been,always will be....

Funny, I haven't had any of the above happen on a 700 either. I have had feeding and ejection issues on Models 70s (and mausers) though. Each has its strong points and weaknesses. Buy what you want and be happy with it.

Trying to say one is better than the other is just like arguing that one religion is better than another.

RH

I like the 375 H&H for due to getting an extra round in the magazine. Plus I couldn't find a 7 lb 375 Ruger.

That - and still getting a wee thrill out of shooting the exact same round I read about so much as a kid.

Not entirely logical - but it's my reason.

i have a .376 Steyr, a .375 H&H AI and two .375 Ultras. if i had to narrow it down to one round, it'd be the .375 Ultra, because it will do what the H&H, H&H AI, or .375 WBY will plus some. i reload and i've never had to get ammo at a mom&pop store. ever.

and i have both M70 and m700 rifles in .375. any rifle needs a few hundred rounds run through them before i'd trust 'em and after that, given no hiccups i trust either just fine...

it's funny to hear people rave about 9.5#-10# hunting rifles though...

Add a standard tupperware Ruger synthetic or canoe paddle stock and it is easy to make a 7# 375 Ruger

Well....I might be braggin, but I like the 375 H&H...in a Ruger No. 1. For the following reasons...















Ya'll hunt with whatever you want, but I'll take the H&H hands down.


maddog

Great pix MD.

That top buff in particular is great! Out of curiosity, what's the spread on those horns? Looks huge.

You know how I feel about that rifle...

Funny, I've never had a magazine spring break in a 700, but the spring in my M70 crapped the bed while elk hunting. Good thing I had a 700 along as a second gun. By your reasoning, I should feel that M70s are crap and 700s rule.

The four M70s I bought this year shows I can think a little more broadly than that, though.

Granted...

I shoot my elk out to about 350 yards. I like getting closer if possible. I like hunting as much as shooting anymore.

BTW, I use a fine old FN action Sako in 375 Wby to do this. With 260 Accubonds it hits like Thor's Hammer.

This little last day 5X5 was out at 367 paces...I estimate it was 350 yards + or -. The rifle is sighted in at 300 yards, so the shot was easy.





His BIG mistake was herding his cows into an area too easy to get him out.

My dad never shot an elk farther out than 200 yards, and he got to within 50 yards of most. It was called "hunting". I have his pre-64 Mdl 70 375 H&H, and it still works.

Dufur: No doubt the RUM is a flat shooting outfit,but the 375H&H is no slouch.Mine will do 2875 to 2940 with a 250 Sierra spitzer boattail or Bitterroot,depending on how much RL15 I feed it.This is not redlined at all and case life is excellent.

Actual shooting with these bullets shows a zero 3" high at 100 yards;down about 5" at 300 and 14"+- at 400 yards.These are "hold on hair" elk hunting trajectories to 400...turrets or dots will give more reach.

These trajectories are very much the same as a 270 with 150 gr or 30/06 with 165 gr.It is a common misconception among many that the 375H&H is strictly a short range cartridge.

No doubt the RUM is faster and flatter,at the expense of more recoil,more powder, etc, but the old H&H is fully capable as a 400 yard BG cartridge,especially with todays best bullets..

I will take your word for it Bob. Since I don't own a H&H version, I've obviously been looking too much at the factory ballistics tables for it and not considering that they may be quite conservative. I've had such good results with the rum with the 260 AB that I haven't ran the 300 AB to see how it shoots or what the velocity potential is. I run mine at an easy 3050 with 24" bbl. I will admit in the light 700 XCR the rum was a handful for me. After 100 rds I ended up putting a holland style brake on it. Its a pussy cat now. Never a fan of brakes, it was worth it on this one..

Dufur: yes I can understand the recoil issue...the bigger RUM case is obviously a faster mousetrap,but recoil gets a bit brisk....

Have not used one but have fired the 375AI with 275 gr loaded to over 2900....after a few bouts with that and some other cartridge burning 90+- grains of powder, I decided the old H&H looked pretty good for the returns.

BTW, those velocities I quoted above come 77-78 gr RL15 from a 24" tube of my Krieger barreled M70...8# scoped ,and recoil is a pantload more manageable than the blown out version, or likely the RUM as well.

I figure the lower recoil and all round manageabilty, are well worth the extra few inches of drop at 400...elk and moose are large critters; long shots at Brown Bear are (or should be) taboo....

If you shooting is only local, anyone that takes your fancy would be good. If you were travelling overseas, the 375H&H would have to be the first choice, possibly re-chambered to 375 Weatherby, which as has been mentioned previously,can take factory 375H&H ammo if necessary. Be a shame to get to Africa, have you ammo go missing and have to use a borrowed just about plumb wore out loaner rifle(and probably pay dearly for the privelege).

Go with the H&H. Its been around 100 years, and will be around another 100. Cant say the same about the RUM. Not gaining enough to go through the powder burn.

I would go with the 375 H&H just for the nostalgia and it will do whatever you want.

Tough to beat a classic H&H.

I can't see the benefit of the ballistic advantage of anything bigger than the .375 H&H or Ruger. Both have excellent ballistics to as far out as you are gunna be shooting anything that requires that much bullet. And short of pachyderms, it is rare i hear folks sayin' they needed more gun than the old H&H. Once the .375 is too little, i'd want more bore, not more capacity.

I agree fully Bob. I presently have the 375 Ruger, mainly due to being a lefty and rifle choices available to us. I have a Ruger African that has had additional work done to it and I like it a great deal. It's a great level of usable power without going to the uber cases and even better today with the lighter, streamlined monobullets which make 400 yds fairly easy and five hundred doable with a little work.

George: Yup...I agree. The 375 Ruger is a good hull.

BobinNH, you got 375AI dies? For sale?

338: No I don't.....I never owned one but worked with a pal who did,and used his stuff.I stayed interested long enough to see what the case did,and went back to the H&H cartridge.

I did own essentially the same thing but necked to 35 cal...that outfit, too is long gone. Sorry.

Nice chair! I'm Weatherby partial.

That, is very nice! Very nice!

I like a .375 class rifle to have a bit more weight to it and the M700s that I have shot in .375 seem to have more muzzle rise than I like due to their weight. Just my preference, but I like the M70 Winchesters better in .375. I have several M700, so I don't have a problem with them overall.

Luv2safari.....I never get tired of looking at that .375 Weatherby of yours. Super nice!

I have yet to own a .375 of any sort yet. However I own one of the important parts...the action. Late model FN barreled action in .300 Win Mag. Probably get some Wiebe bottom metal and a Mcm glass stock. Barrel....not sure yet. It will be chambered in .375 Ruger. Soon.

I chose the H&H variety in a CZ because of its historical provenance. I shoot 270gr TSX and 300 Barnes banded solids at factory velocities. They do the job, I enjoy shooting the rifle and both rounds impact within .5 inch at 50m open sites.

I have no glass on the rifle because it is set up as a DGR. I do not intend on shooting it past 200 yds ever, and indeed at that range 6" is all I can get on a good day anyway. Fill your boots with your "flat shooting" 375 rifles, that is valid for you. As for me and my house, we choose to use it close and personal.

Randy

Thanks, I have two of 'em. This is the chair on the left.

Tony.....am I to assume that if invited into your home.....that instead of offering a chair and drink....you offer a chair and a rifle? You sir have class!

Aw nuts... Another one?

Great rifles!

i'm not a much for wood/blue, but that second rifle really looks awesome.

Another vote for the H&H. I love mine.

Have to go with the H&H. Have owned 3 and wish I still had them all. First was Whitworth Express Rifle, then Rem 700 Classic, and now a Pre 64 M70 that has had some custom work on it. Will say the Model 70 kicks like a mule compared to the other two.....course I'm a few years longer in the teeth, too...

I have a ZKK-602 rechambered to .375 Weatherby. Seemed like a good idea since I could use two cartridges in the same rifle.

.375 Winchester lever gun with long barrel. I don't see much need for anything over 250gr at about 1850fps.

I loveeeeeeee my 378 WBY!



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Great photo!

This one H&H. Big bug eyes at100.