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Posted By: fink65 Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Bought a pork loin and cut into thin chops to make pork loin sandwiches. Always pounded out with a tenderizer and all went great except these are tougher than a boot. Tried to make chops and can't seem to get them to an edible state. Anybody got an idea how to tenderize them or are they headed for sausage and burger?
Posted By: FatCity67 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
brine and a thermometer.
Posted By: RickBin Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Sous vide.
Posted By: Pugs Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Originally Posted by RickBin
Sous vide.


Prezactly.
Posted By: chris_c Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Originally Posted by RickBin
Sous vide.


Works great
Posted By: fink65 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Originally Posted by RickBin
Sous vide.

I think I will try that. I have the intention of trying to make pork cutlets after the initial sous vide cook. Does this sound sensible? I was kind of looking for a soak something on the order of papaya or? Have a low sodium diet to consider so brining is out.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Pineapple juice (?)
Posted By: 284LUVR Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Cut a whole loin into thin sandwich slices. Quick sear & season on both sides and throw the whole mess into the crockpot on low. Cook to desired doneness being careful not to over cook.

Bag and freeze.

Haven't used my Anova souse vide in ages.

Why ???? I dunno.
Posted By: FatCity67 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/17/20
Brining ads very little sodium to each pork chop.
Posted By: 284LUVR Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Originally Posted by fink65
Bought a pork loin and cut into thin chops to make pork loin sandwiches.


Eating some right now. Season and sear one side. Flip and finish on LOW COVERED, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I bought a whole loin to try my hand at making some Canadian bacon.

Hasn't worked out. grin
Posted By: MadMooner Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Sous vide is way over rated IMO. Not that it’s bad, just over rated.

Brine and grill or broil.
Posted By: FatCity67 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
This for me as well.

Originally Posted by MadMooner
Sous vide is way over rated IMO. Not that it’s bad, just over rated.

Brine and grill or broil.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Originally Posted by FatCity67
Brining ads very little sodium to each pork chop.




is that right?


I would not have guessed.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Pineapple juice (?)



Lime seems to be popular.
Posted By: FatCity67 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by FatCity67
Brining ads very little sodium to each pork chop.
is that right? I would not have guessed.


From Cook's Illustrated | May/June 2014

We sent cooked samples of food that we brined to an independent lab for sodium analysis.

There are a number of foods that we typically soak in a saltwater solution, or brine, before cooking. The salt in the brine doesn’t just season the food; in the case of meat, poultry, and fish, it improves juiciness and tenderness. It also helps dried beans cook faster and gives them a creamier texture and more tender skin. That said, we’ve often wondered just how much sodium ends up in brined food. To find out, we sent cooked samples of boneless, skinless chicken breasts, boneless center-cut pork chops, skinless salmon fillets, and black beans that we brined for our standard recommended times to an independent lab for sodium analysis. We also analyzed plain water–soaked samples so that we could then subtract any naturally occurring sodium. Here’s how much sodium brining adds to each food. (Note: The Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend less than 2,300 milligrams daily for people under 51 and less than 1,500 milligrams for those 51 and older.)

6 Ounces Cooked Boneless, Skinless Chicken Breast

BRINING FORMULA: 2 quarts water, 1/4 cup salt, 1 hour
ADDED SODIUM: 270 milligrams
SALT EQUIVALENT: Less than 1/8 teaspoon


6 Ounces Cooked Boneless, Center-Cut Pork Chop

BRINING FORMULA: 2 quarts water, 1/4 cup salt, 1 hour
ADDED SODIUM: 218 milligrams
SALT EQUIVALENT: Less than 1/8 teaspoon


6 Ounces Cooked Skinless Salmon Fillet

BRINING FORMULA: 2 quarts water, 5 tablespoons salt, 15 minutes
ADDED SODIUM: 173 milligrams
SALT EQUIVALENT: Just over 1/16 teaspoon


3 Ounces (1/2 Cup) Cooked Black Beans

BRINING FORMULA: 2 quarts water, 1 1/2 tablespoons salt, 24 hours
ADDED SODIUM: 52 milligrams
SALT EQUIVALENT: Less than 1/32 teaspoon
Posted By: Henryseale Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Just cooked some last night. Took a 5 lb. pork loin and sliced it about 3/4 in. thick cutlets. Lightly salted and sprinkled with cajun seasoning, both sides, and let warm to room temperature. Lightly coat with self-rising flour seasoned to taste with cajun seasoning. Plain flour can be used, but I like a little more puffiness in the crust that self-rising gives. Dip each cutlets in buttermilk. You can use regular milk, but I like the flavor that buttermilk gives it. Note that some will add some well beaten egg to this milk, blended, as well. I don't think it is needed, myself. After soaking in the milk, dredge it again in the seasoned flour. Deep fry cutlets in hot oil of your choice, deep enough to cover the cutlets. I prefer canola oil. Get the oil good and hot before adding the cutlets. Do not crowd the cutlets in the fryer. I use a 10 in. cast iron "chicken fryer" or deep skillet. Do not overcook as doing so will make them tough. Fry until golden brown. Drain on paper towels. Very tender and very flavorful.

In addition, after deep frying, you can make a large batch of gravy with the remaining seasoned flour and some buttermilk with some sauteed chopped or sliced onion and mushrooms. Adjust spices to taste. This should be enough gravy to cover the cutlets well. Also cutlets should be a bit lightly done if continuing with this as they will cook a bit more in this gravy. Add the lightly fried cutlets to this gravy, covering well, and gently simmer for about 45 minutes. Serve with rice or mashed potatoes.
Posted By: Henryseale Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Another method of cooking pork loin that I really like is to unwrap it and pat it dry. Inject it with an injectable marinade of your choice, such as cajun butter, jalapeno butter, etc., and dust it well with plain salt and powdered cajun seasoning. Cover and refrigerate overnight or so. Place in smoker with hickory wood chips with temperature set at about 220*F until internal temperature rises to 140*F. Remove from smoker and let stand for 15-30 minutes. Slice and enjoy.
Posted By: Henryseale Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
The problem with pork loin is that it has so little fat content. One of the main things that makes a beef steak tender and flavorful is the marbling. Pork loin just does not have this. If you try to cook it well done, it becomes as tough as leather. There is no safety need to cook it more than 140*F or medium/medium rare. Pounding it with a tenderizer and cooked well done with little grease will just result in tough pounded meat. You can grind it for sausage or burger, but you will need to add a LOT of fat to it as it is so lean. It can be pan fried as boneless pork chops quite well if it is not sliced too thin and fried in enough oil such as canola, Crisco, lard, olive oil, or bacon grease. Whatever trips your trigger. Again, do not over cook it. You cannot just slice it and throw it in a skillet with a light spray of Pam as it is naturally too dry. Don't give up. Pork loin is one of my favorite cuts of meat. Especially so when I find them on sale for .99/lb., I put several in the freezer.
Posted By: CWT Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Probably shot up with a 10-15% flavor enhancing solution. Affects the texture and makes it tough. They also feel slimy to me. It is supposed to be listed on the label but isn't always.
Posted By: vbshootinrange Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
I've never heard the term "Sous vide"

Anyone care to enlighten me?

All I know, is my pork chops come out TOUGH most of the time.

Am willing to give almost anything a try,

Thanks!

Virgil B.
Posted By: 5sdad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Originally Posted by vbshootinrange
I've never heard the term "Sous vide"

Anyone care to enlighten me?

All I know, is my pork chops come out TOUGH most of the time.

Am willing to give almost anything a try,

Thanks!

Virgil B.


And aawwaaayy we go!
Posted By: super T Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Sous vide is a method of cooking in which food is placed in a watertight plastic pouch(I vaccum seal) and cooked in a water bath for longer than usual cooking times at an accurate very regulated temperature. You will need a water heating/circulator device like an Anova Precision Cooker and a common large kitchen pot. You also need a way to sear most items after you remove them from the water bath. The length of cooking time is not critical, but for tough cuts of meat longer(6 hours or longer) helps to tenderize. If really want to try it, google is your friend.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Pork is overcooked almost as a rule.
Posted By: saskfox Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pork is overcooked almost as a rule.




X2
Posted By: Sig220 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
I used to just cut into thick steaks and grill them. Then someone here posted the Canadian Bacon thread....... Now, I mostly brine them and then smoke them. Its tender, taste great (like ham) and makes the best sandwiches!

Still do grilled pork chops, add a little BBQ sauce every once in a while to change things up!
Posted By: vbshootinrange Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/18/20
super T;

Thanks for the information!

Sounds like quite a time consuming process to get pork to a tender state.

Think I'll try marinating chops in pineapple juice over night first, then cook to medium rare.

Virgil B.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/20/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pork is overcooked almost as a rule.


Not mine !!

But you knew that, didn't you Jim ?
Posted By: chris_c Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/20/20
Originally Posted by super T
Sous vide is a method of cooking in which food is placed in a watertight plastic pouch(I vaccum seal) and cooked in a water bath for longer than usual cooking times at an accurate very regulated temperature. You will need a water heating/circulator device like an Anova Precision Cooker and a common large kitchen pot. You also need a way to sear most items after you remove them from the water bath. The length of cooking time is not critical, but for tough cuts of meat longer(6 hours or longer) helps to tenderize. If really want to try it, google is your friend.


Use this when I need to make steaks, chops in a hurry after coming home. I use a small cooler for the water bath. Heat the grill up, bounce em across it and ready to eat.
Posted By: 284LUVR Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/20/20
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pork is overcooked almost as a rule.


Not mine !!

But you knew that, didn't you Jim ?


Sear first one or both sides. Covered skillet cooked low heat
Posted By: Dillonbuck Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Psssssssst!


Pork loin sandwiches, ain't pork loin.
Seriously!


It's pork steak. Shoulder.
Sliced thin, deboned, tenderized.
That's why it is juicer, and more flavorful.
A working muscle, with more fat.
Posted By: JGRaider Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Originally Posted by 284LUVR
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pork is overcooked almost as a rule.


Not mine !!

But you knew that, didn't you Jim ?


Sear first one or both sides. Covered skillet cooked low heat



to an internal temp of 145* and that's it.
Posted By: 284LUVR Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Originally Posted by JGRaider
to an internal temp of 145* and that's it.


Not always my friend. I eat PL quite often and found that's not cut in stone. I can make PL to 145* that's tough as a boot or tender and moist depending on the process rather than just cooking to temp.

YMMV.

Peace.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pork is overcooked almost as a rule.


Not mine !!

But you knew that, didn't you Jim ?



I did know that.


One of these days I am gonna send you a worming pill!
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Richard was kind enough to bring us up some bone in, Iowa double pork chops, last summer.

Decided to do them while camping at our local Provincial Park.

Dry rub marinated overnight.

Smoked those bad boys to 121*f internal, then finished/seared the heck outta them in hot CI !

Absolutely tender, juicy & delicious.

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Thank you, again, Richard - OUTSTANDING !
Posted By: FatCity67 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Absolutely no reason to cook whole pork cuts beyond 140-145 with a rest time of 5-30 minutes depending on size of cut.
Posted By: chris_c Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Originally Posted by FatCity67
Absolutely no reason to cook whole pork cuts beyond 140-145 with a rest time of 5-30 minutes depending on size of cut.


Trichinosis is supposed to be dead by then. Some sources say 132 some 137
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Might help to start with good pork, eh Paul??
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Yes Mate, & these were great.

The locally produced (hobby farm) pork & lamb I buy, are amazing too.

I do not hesitate to pay whatever they are asking.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Good man!
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
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Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Yes Mate, & these were great.

The locally produced (hobby farm) pork & lamb I buy, are amazing too.

I do not hesitate to pay whatever they are asking.



Speaking of that.....we just bought a couple big lambs from a local producer.


150 pounds each. Should be good!
Posted By: sse Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/21/20
i'd cut em sauce em wrap em, put em in the oven low and slow

or braise em in a non-commie DO in the oven
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Originally Posted by sse
i'd cut em sauce em wrap em, put em in the oven low and slow

or braise em in a non-commie DO in the oven



Thats silly. Its a chop.


I am starting to wonder if you guys have been buying the cheap, generic Fix O Dent.


Pork chops/loin should not have the consistency of Liver pate.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Just use a sharper knife.
Posted By: New_2_99s Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Yes Mate, & these were great.

The locally produced (hobby farm) pork & lamb I buy, are amazing too.

I do not hesitate to pay whatever they are asking.



Speaking of that.....we just bought a couple big lambs from a local producer.


150 pounds each. Should be good!


150lbs !!!!!

Maybe not lambs no more big guy, but like you, I love hogget & mutton, so yes, I agree they will be good !!!
Posted By: sse Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Quote
Thats silly. Its a chop.

don't talk with your mouth full
Posted By: MikeL2 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Has everyone forgotten about "cubing" meat? Cubed steak, cubed pork cutlets?
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Originally Posted by MikeL2
Has everyone forgotten about "cubing" meat? Cubed steak, cubed pork cutlets?



Thats for the peasants.


These high rollers are tying to figure out why their fancy cuts are too tough for their sensitive chompers! laugh
Posted By: fink65 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Just use a sharper knife.

Then I need sharper teeth. I am going to grind some and make pork sausage for pizza. I will also add some to some burger and suffer a few ideas from all of you. I think I will just stick to the Smithfield loins. Never had a tough one of those.
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/22/20
Watch some of those Smithfield products.


They will inject them with all sorts of junk to make them edible.
Posted By: sse Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/23/20
some of the things you say are an outrage
Posted By: fink65 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Watch some of those Smithfield products.


They will inject them with all sorts of junk to make them edible.




I've been infused with all sorts of junk too, lately. Just to make me live longer. I guess it will be a trade off. Think I will buy a beef sirloin tomorrow. On Sale at Fareway for 3.99 a pound. Not bad for choice. Last I got is gone.
Posted By: 284LUVR Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by MikeL2
Has everyone forgotten about "cubing" meat? Cubed steak, cubed pork cutlets?



Thats for the peasants.


Try this. Guarantee you will head back for seconds or thirds. Your boys gonna just tear into it, Jim, momma too.


https://imitationbydesign.blogspot.com/2012/03/west-virginia-baked-steak-almost-heaven.html
Posted By: Rooster7 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/23/20
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pork is overcooked almost as a rule.


Not mine !!

But you knew that, didn't you Jim ?



I did know that.


One of these days I am gonna send you a worming pill!



haha
Posted By: fink65 Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/24/20
Originally Posted by 284LUVR
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by MikeL2
Has everyone forgotten about "cubing" meat? Cubed steak, cubed pork cutlets?



Thats for the peasants.


Try this. Guarantee you will head back for seconds or thirds. Your boys gonna just tear into it, Jim, momma too.


https://imitationbydesign.blogspot.com/2012/03/west-virginia-baked-steak-almost-heaven.html


I am going to try that and soon. Thanks,284Luvr
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/24/20
Originally Posted by 284LUVR
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by MikeL2
Has everyone forgotten about "cubing" meat? Cubed steak, cubed pork cutlets?



Thats for the peasants.


Try this. Guarantee you will head back for seconds or thirds. Your boys gonna just tear into it, Jim, momma too.


https://imitationbydesign.blogspot.com/2012/03/west-virginia-baked-steak-almost-heaven.html



Yeah....we like that stuff.
Posted By: sse Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/25/20
would be awesome with canned venison
Posted By: Jim_Conrad Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/25/20
10-4
Posted By: Dillonbuck Re: Tough Chops dilema - 01/25/20
My wife does something real close with deer steak.
Often she doesn't even thaw the steak.
Just dump the crap on the frozen lump, stir in a hour when
it's thawed.

Classic way to cook tough old meat. We never bought cubed
steak, we had our own. Mom just beat the hell out of it with the
meat beater.
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