I'm building a 7mm Rem mag for deer and bear here in eastern Pa. shots will be from 100-600 yards. I'm curious what everyone else uses for mid-to-long range bear hunts. My goal is little to no tracking; drop them in their tracks. I was thinking of Accubonds, but I'd like to get some input from the community first. Thanks in advance.

If I had your setup, I doubt you could do better than 168gr or 175gr ABLR. I don't have experience with them in a 7mm, but this is the exit wound from a .308 168gr ABLR after travelling the full length of the deer's torso.

Just use whatever you shoot for deer. I killed my 23rd bear last spring and can tell you they are not overly tough. I’ve used AB’s, NBT’s, TTSX, Sciroccos, Berger’s, Game Changers and even good ol Core-Lokt’s back in the day receiving acceptable performance from all. Ranges have been from less than 15ft to over 600yds. Bottom line is you won’t be disappointed in your AB’s.

Lots of good bullets out there for what you are after, but what you need to understand is that it isn't the rifle or the bore size or the headstamp on the case or even the bullet chosen that is the biggest factor in "...little to no tracking; drop them in their tracks." It's where you shoot them. You want little to no tracking, pick a sturdy bullet that can withstand bone at the closest range you'll shoot which shoots well in your rifle, and then shoot for the CNS. There is no other way to "drop them in their tracks" with any certainty. Even huge cases and accompanying bullets don't guarantee what you are after. Only shot placement does that, once you've picked a bullet that will do the work.

I like the Hornady 175 spire point

Shoot what is accurate in your rifle. Bears aren't particularly bullet proof...

ABLR would be good or the original Accubond. Partitions too but the AB & ABLR have better BCs. Bears are can be hard to track so I limit myself to almost sure thing shots depending on conditions. For me that is usually within 400.

I tend to break 1 or both shoulders when I shoot bears. Partitions or TTSX.

I’ve never seen a Bear in the wild, but I bet a 7 mag would do the trunk with a Barnes bullet.

Yes, bears are not that hard to take down but when compared to deer there may be a lot more bone and tissue the bullet has to go through to get in to the boiler room. I like to use monos so I know I can get the bullet to get in and through the chest cavity no matter what angle the bear presents in case I have a trophy bear that does not give me a broadside shot. Currently I shoot my 375 Ruger with Hammers and the two bears I have shot with it were impressed. I hunt in dense woods and swamps where shots of 50 yards would be long. The 375 is more than is needed but the recoil is not bad and I will always get two holes and that in my mind is better than 1. I think it is important to get an exit hole on bears, as the hide will plug up many entry holes stopping any blood trail this is especailly for fall bears with inches of fat.

If I was looking to go at the ranges you are thinking about I would probably use ABLR's in my 300-375 Ruger assuming they shot well, I would also see how the Hammers shoot at those ranges, either one would probably yield two holes at extended ranges with the 30-375 Ruger. Did I mention I like two holes each time I pull the trigger?

My favorite bear bullet? The same bullet I prefer for all of my big game hunting, a Nosler Partition. And I tend to favor "heavy for caliber" bullet weights.

160 gr Accubond works for me on black bear, hogs and deer. Very good bullet!
GreggH

Partions, TSX, and interlocks have worked well for me.

180gr TTSXs work. This one was taken at 265yds with my 358 Win. The bear dropped in it's tracks but a FMJ may have had the same affect, lol.

Thanks, Dinny

Just a story of one shot with a 140 Accubond from a .270 Win. Distance 30 yards, impact into the point of the shoulder of a 200 lb black bear. Bear ran off into a thicket, leaving not one cut hair or one spot of blood. Bullet did not exit. Massive wound internally.

My take-home was to shoot them through the ribs and use a Barnes. And/or use a bigger caliber. I think bears do not bleed like deer. Also, I would use a different bullet for this work at 500 yards -- a Berger VLD and only chest shots. Yes, I just said the complete opposite thing, I know. Nothing kills faster than a VLD assuming CNS shots are off the table, IMO. At 500 yards a CNS shot is off the table for me.

It's not about killing bears, it's about finding them. Not talking about self-defense, short range work in this post.

The bullets I have used are:

270 Winchester 150 grain Core-Lokt Round Nose 1 bear
375H&H 270 grain WW Power Point. 2 bears
45-70 400 grain RCBS cast 1 bear
44 magnum 250 grain Keith SWC 3 bears
44 mag 320 grain LBT 1 bear
44 mag 265 grain Hornady 1 bear
454 Casull 370 grain LBT 1 bear

So far i have not recovered a bullet from a bear. All were 1 shot kills.

All dropped pretty soon after the shot except one, which was a mid size bear I shot with my 375 about the center of the body as it went away from me. Bullet exited in front of the off-side shoulder and that bear ran about 75 yards. Easy to follow the blood, but I was surprised how far it ran.

One I killed with a 44 mag with the Keith SWC ran, but only about 25 yards and then fell to it's side and started thrashing the ground and brush. It died soon after that.

The 45 70 bear ran only about 20 yards but left no blood for the first few yards which also surprised me. It was in berry bushes and so it was real hard to go after it. It took me a few minutes to find the blood, but once I did it was an easy trail to follow but for the thorns. I drug it out with a mule and a rope.

Oh I forgot one.
30-06 220 grain Horandy RN from my Browning 1895 rifle.

Hard to go wrong with a 160 accubond at about 3000FPS

Listen to Bater, experience trumps all. I’ve spent a lifetime guiding and killing bears. Blacks, Brown and mtn Grizzly. Black bear are like shooting a cottontail, ain’t much there and not very tough. The Brown and mtn Grizzly you better put on your big boy pants and keep shooting. AccuBombs will be fine.

ttsxs or swift a frame if shooting longer ranges on bears.you always want a exit hole also.they seem to be able to clog up fairly well.could make for a long tracking.

ABLR, AB, TTSX or LRX--my favorite.

My 140 g at that speed didn't do as well as I'd hoped.

My Father in Law hunted Bear in PA all his life leading crews of 25 drivers. He once told me "bears in PA are shot at 30 yards not 300". That caught me off guard at the time but years have passed now and I have to say he was right. I definitely prefer a 45-70 because PA bears are in the Laurel and swamps and not standing in fields or the wide open woods

If your scared, just get a A-frame. They simply work. At any distance.

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600 yd bear shot? Nuh uhn...

...get closer.

If I had to...175gr ELD-X max loading.

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Your father in law was dead on about that. We do drives as well. Most bears are killed 50 yards or less. Most are killed with cup and core factory loads. Shot placement is the key. Not every encounter provides for perfect shot placement. There is no ""drop them in their tracks" perfect bullets imo. Most do not travel far after the shot, some do. The one I shot in 97 travelled 100 yards after being hit with a 140 7 rem mag at less than 50 yards. I was lucky the bullet made it to the bear. Bullet came apart , numerous small holes in the wound. I assume due to the brush I was shooting through. I tracked the bear and finished it off.

Your father in law was dead on about that. We do drives as well. Most bears are killed 50 yards or less. Most are killed with cup and core factory loads. Shot placement is the key. Not every encounter provides for perfect shot placement. There is no ""drop them in their tracks" perfect bullets imo. Most do not travel far after the shot, some do. The one I shot in 97 travelled 100 yards after being hit with a 140 7 rem mag at less than 50 yards. I was lucky the bullet made it to the bear. Bullet came apart , numerous small holes in the wound. I assume due to the brush I was shooting through. I tracked the bear and finished it off.

North Fork, NP, or A-Frame.

+1 for a 160 ab or the tssx lr.

Whatever you use for deer, black bears are in no way tough to kill. If you use monos try to hit at least one shoulder, if you use anything else just put it in the boiler room. They don’t require anything special in the bullet dept.

Same bullets I use for moose, 260 or 300 gr np out of a 375h&h. The 265gr I hand load the 300 are federal premium. Both work well on either animal.

300gr NPs will work in a pinch.



But the OP is talking about 7mm out to 600 yds. For that, I would be looking into the 150gr/168gr/175gr ABLR, depending on which one shoots best in the rifle.

All Ive ever shot were black bears but I got my two best ones with a 162 Gr Hornady out of a 7x57...so I guess thats my favorite ( discontinued, of course...)

I've killed em over dogs and still hunting/calling. For the 7mms any NPT works well from any angle. You want 2 holes, not one ime.

Over hounds, most of the old guys used 30-30s to dump em outta trees. The fall hurts em too sometimes, seen 6" branches sheared off as they tumble down and a loud thump. Sometimes the fall cracks their skull too. Had a guy once climb a tree and tried to kill one with a 38 special. Bullets just bounced off the bear's head. Another friend said climb down and used his 30-30. The 30-30 works well with 170RN at close range, slow long bullet penetrates well. The 357mag had a poor track record in my circles, most carried a Ruger Blackhawk 44mags or a few used 45 Long colts.

I once handloaded both 165 NBTs and 165NPTs for a friend's 06, he wanted a bear rug like my almost 600 lb'er. Told him to use the NPTs but he liked the NBTs because they looked "cool". So I took him in the backcountry in October and on day 2 we jumped a nice big black bear outta the manzanita berries. The bear was running up a hill when my friend hit him in the rear with a 165gr NBT. The bear didn't go down but his ass went down and he turned thrashing and biting at his rear and nearby brush. So I sent a 140gr NBT from my little Model 7 and this just pissed the bear off more. As I jack another round, my friend says "he's charging". I thought WTF are you talking about? Then looked up. Holy Schit! Here's a big black bear hauling ass back down the hill at us popping his teeth. This schit only happens with grizzlies I thought? There was a patch of brush about 20yds from us and we both raised our guns, the bear appeared and we both put bullets in his shoulder area missing his head at about 10yds. Those 2 shots seemed to take the steam outta of him and the bear turned sideways about 15ft away! As the bear went into the nearby brush I got another shot off and I saw the bear start limping while holding his left front paw up. I goofed that shot obviously. Lols. I told my friend to go around and head the bear off so he takes off running around the brush patch. We both hear the bear thrashing around and growling in the brush like I've never heard before. I thought when is this bear gonna die? My friend is all worried I'm gonna accidentally shoot him so I told him to come on back the bear is slowing down anyways. So we both entered the brush and we can see the bear laying on its side with its back to us. I told my friend to put another one right between the shoulders and he does. A few seconds later the bear gave out a death moan and it was all over. I start giving my friend high fives and he said he has to go sit down since he was pretty shook up.

Later we dragged the bear out, took some pictures and skinned it. We found a few NBTs, both his 165 and my 140s under the bear's off side hide with the cores separated from their jackets. We saved em as souvenirs like most do.

I never thought a black bear would charge but this one did when wounded. We were 8 miles in from the trailhead and it could've been really ugly if we got bit or worse - mauled. And this friend was a search n rescue volunteer.

My friend was not smiling at his big black bear in this pic, manzanita brush in background:

Rolled him off the log:


My best and biggest black bear weighed 507lbs field dressed with a 21" skull. Called him in with a Circe jackrabbit call and one shot with 7RM, 160gr NPT did the job. He was quartering at about 100yds, hunched up and rolled about 10yds, I put a second one in him as he rolled. He gave out a nice death moan too. You know they are done when you hear that moan, it's like victory!

Another friend with his 400lb bear rug taken with a Browning Bar 270 Win with my bear rug on the right for comparison


Now some of you might say blackies are like killing deer but I have met 2 folks who have been mauled by them. One gotta a little too close chasing them with hounds, and another was a bow hunter. I was able to find the newspaper clipping on one, he told me his forearms took well over a year to heal.


Maybe they are weaker in the spring after all hibernating and starving all winter? A friend who hunted Montana spring bears thought so. I hunted Montana for spring bear and a friend killed one with his 25/06 no problem. Others used 7RMs for spring bear with no issues.

I once took a long 300yd+ shot at a big black bear at dusk, he was eating acorns outta of a small oak tree. I thought I heard him plop and roll into a ravine. It was getting dark fast so I ran down there. Never found him, no blood or sign. But the pucker factor really kicked in as I went downhill alone in the dark with a flashlight. I went back with friends next AM and still didn't find him. We did the circle search pattern too.

My advice is not to shoot long range at dusk, use a mono or NPT instead of cup n core. Bears get pretty big in PA. You might never have issues but remember a black bear though not considered DG can still bite and claw you if wounded. Seen a few bear hounds injured and one killed, not pretty at all.