Lately I've been watching more and more hunting shows and videos during these winter months and with the Chinese flue restrictions. Some of the videos on the long range kills show animals dropping and almost bouncing when hit at these extended distances of 500-1000 yards. I find the "put down" effect impressive and yet many of these animals are taken with 6.5 CM, 7mm and other somewhat moderate calibers.

I remember shooting elk at 100-150 yards with hot loaded .270's and 30-06's and 300WM's and not seeing this "bang-flop effect". Is that because those animals I shot at those closer distances where most of the time spooked by me before being shot and when pumped up with adrenaline; and the animals taken at 750 yards usually are not aware of hunters around and are calm???

Interesting to watch and wondering what is the most likely reason for those impressive long range kills.

Where ya hit 'em......

High shoulder puts them down in a hurry

Don't believe everything you see on tv.

That ain't hunting.

I tend to agree. It's more akin to target shooting than anything else.

There's plenty of video of far worse results but people only post the stuff that makes them look good.


Okie John

Nonsense.....

Truth, absolute truth.

Yep. These guys are usually selling or representing some sponsored product. Schit goes wrong when hunting. Lots of variables, and sometimes they don't line up in the hunter's favor. It's no different with "long range" hunting.

I am friends with several hunting and fishing show “celebs” . Surprisingly many of them don’t care for the long range shooters because of what they are doing to our sport. Similar to what Duck Dynasty did to duck hunting. Now every young man is required to grow his ugly ass ZZ Top beard and shoot ducks. Now, every kid on the block is a long range sniper special ops specialist. Two of my friends video those shows. In short, don’t believe everything you see according to them. There are, naturally, a ton of misses and sadly, wounded animals, when they try the 1000 yard shots. Guides hate like hell to see them set foot on the ranches.

I don’t particularly love the LR only sorta killing but to me a fella that prepares and is ready to take the shot he’s given isn’t a bad guy in my book.

I practice out to 800 quite often and feel like my gear and myself are capable but to be honest I’d rather shoot an elk or buck where it’ll feel the muzzle blast but being an out of stater that hunts public land I wanna capitalize on what the good Lord puts in front of me. I’m pretty fussy past 400 but if it’s a good set up and no chance to get closer I’m going to make the shot.

TV is horseshiit most of the time anyhow.

I have thought about this a bit. I personally would not dial a scope and take a really long shot based on that because the tracking often seems to be a bit off. I saw a video posted on here recently about a 12-yr-old boy with his father’s guidance shot an elk from the prone position at about 1,350 yards, and it went down. Thing is it was his second shot. The father had dialed the scope, and the first shot went under the elk’s belly. So, he redialed it, and the boy shot it again—that time successfully. But the first shot easily could have ended up with a lost gut-shot elk. Not for me.

If I draw this year for the Colorado unit on which my property sits, I could see taking a shot out to 600 yds or so under the right conditions.

For example, in the first pic below, I am standing in a spot on my property where I have seen elk congregate. The top of the rock is about 600 yds away. That photo was shot looking E-W, the way the wind generally blows, so that shouldn’t be an issue. The second pick is the reverse view. My cabin is about 150 yds on the other side of that rock. If I’m laying on the rock with, say, my .340 Wby, which shoots three-shot groups inside of a dime; and if the wind isn’t doing something really weird; and I have a steady hold in the prone off of my bipod on the top of that rock; I know to shoot that rifle 9 MOA reticles high at that range and elevation. I easily would do that because no one is going to be able to sneak up on any elk across that meadow to get any closer.

They don’t show videos of the ones who run off crippled is probably one of the reasons. I doubt any of those animals hit at long range would drop any faster if hit the same from a shorter distance

I have seen several shows where the animal is shot in the daylight on an open hillside and the recovery is filmed with the animal in the dark at the bottom of a draw or in the timber with a bloated belly.

There is some evidence that bullets heat up significantly the longer they are in flight, as in what Hornady found when testing long-range BC and noting that the plastic tips on their bullets melted at ranges typical of longer range shots. I've noticed that bullets like Bergers seem to do more damage at longer distances, rather than shorter. That could be because their temperature is several hundred degrees, and they are softer. I don't know, but I've experienced and seen it quite a bit.

+1

Some scopes track reliably, and some don't. If a guy is interested in LR hunting (not necessarily exclusively), it pays to figure out which models almost always track correctly, and then use one of those scopes. In the video you're referencing, the boy easily could have pulled the shot a bit, wind could have shifted, the wrong elevation could have been dialed for the first shot, etc, any of which could have caused the first shot to miss. I agree that it's a good idea not to dial scopes that don't have a reputation for tracking correctly (and/or are verified to not track correctly), but there are certain models of scopes that are nearly always mechanically very reliable.

Interesting I hadn’t considered that.

Agreed. I'm not saying that other hunters don't have the right equipment and correct approach. I was just saying that "I personally would not dial a scope and take a really long shot based on that ..." I may or may not have a near-perfect tracking scope. But it just seems easier and more certain for what I have and do to aim a certain number of reticles higher.

You aren’t wrong at all. Some folks do better with holdover points and some do better holding center mass on the reticle. Just different ways of doing business. Either one out to a decent distance are pretty danged deadly with a little practice.

It's just my preference. The reticle on my 4.5-27x FFP looks like this:



It makes things pretty easy, where the reticles are one MOA at all magnifications. At 600 yds, I would just put the ninth reticle below center on the animal, not counting wind considerations. As discussed, I haven't shot past 380 yds recently, but it works at that distance, and I will check out the two ranges you mentioned when I get the time. Also, when I go out to my Colo. property, I can practice out to 800 yds or so. Last time I was there, however, they had a fire ban which means no shooting, unless at game.

Long range hunting isn't anymore risky than archery.... funny part is archery hunters are revered in some circles as "real" hunters.

How far they pokin them arras?

If you ain't confident, don't do it.

I'd trust X percent of 700+ yard shooters to make a responsible shot that they're comfortable with, way more than X+ percent of regular Joes to make a responsible 200 yard shot. This includes a damn lot of folks on this site.

Call it shooting if you'd like, vs hunting. I don't have an issue with that but it isn't 100% irresponsible to take those longer shots.

Wow you’re ignorant

It is laughable that Dogcatcher compares Archery hunting to long range shooting. Tell me how be able to get inside 50 yds of an animal is the same as watching game from 1000yds with a spotting scope. At 1000yds don't need to worry about the wind , noise, or movement. Actual hunting vs shooting. Not even close.

Same with close range hunting!




I agree. What is it if it's not hunting?

Not all guides see it your way. I hunted with one who accommodated long range hunters intentionally .

Like already mentioned I am sure that we only see the "perfect" shots, not the ones that took a step at the shot and wandered over the hill to die, miles later, or where a unseen twig, deflected the bullet. Way back when, there were minimum energy standards recommended for both deer and elk. If my addled old brain recalls them it was 2,000 lbs for elk with a minimum of 1500. Looking at energy charts for some high. BC, 100 gr bullets, I find that the energy listed at 600 yards is less than 2/3 the minimum recommended for elk. This is with a starting velocity of 3600 fps. As you go out farther this declines even greater. Once again, big game are not always static, nor standing in the perfect shooting position while waiting to be shot. There are limbs, wind, and other variables, that are not always seen or considered. Just my .02 after eating an awful lot of elk. My longest measured shot 540, would I take it again, with that particular 300 WM, yes. With my 280 AI, I probably would not.

Make sure you correct for elevation, given that many people hunt elk at higher places.

For example, my 6.5-300 Wby launches a factory-loaded 130gr SS at 3,416 fps. At 700 yards: (1) at sea level, it's producing 1,488 ft-lbs, but (2) at 10,000 feet (which is the lowest elevation where I hunt elk and mule deer), it's producing 1,906 ft-lbs.

As a side note, the bullet also drops 8.5" fewer inches at 10,000 feet in the sky versus at sea level at 700 yds. That's a significant factor to keep in mind IMO.

I don't really have a problem with bowhunting, as I was once an avid bowhunter, and have taken a number of deer with a bow. But, there is a part of bowhunting that I do have a problem with, and that is what we often see on the hunting shows..................

Guy hunting shoots a nice buck and buck runs off.
Hunter and cameraman "review" the film, declare that the buck was "hit a little too far back", which in redneck terms mean the deer was gut shot, and then decide to "back out of here" and come back in the morning.
Deer is found the next morning, and unfortunately the coyotes found it before the hunter did.
But, hunter still does high fives, thank's the Lord, and cries for the camera, declaring this is his best buck ever.
Meanwhile, all that's salvaged of the deer is the antlers.

Personally, I would never broadcast such an event for public viewing, as stuff like that only serves to give ammo for the anti-hunters. But, for some reason, there is an element in the archery hunting community that has no problem with it. Now, to be fair, as gut shot deer is a gut shot deer, regardless of what it's shot with. However, it is something we should all as hunters try to avoid doing, and if we do, not put it out there for the world to see.

Hunting shows are the main reason everyone and their grandma is a bowhunter now, and elk stopped bugling. Now they're turning everyone into a long range sniper. I know a guy that buys and grandstands every gizmo used by those douchebags on TV.

I find it entertaining that long range hunting always gets a bad rap. WhenI take into account the guys I personally know, the guys that shoot long, tend to practice way more than the average hunter, be it archery, muzzy or just rifle.

Good info MH. How about shooting angles? Far less trajectory when shooting steep uphill or downhill. Something to keep in mind if you hunt steep terrain, seen alot of hunters shoot too high on steep downhill shots.

Something to keep in mind there are some real long range Pros on here like Huntsman 22, ScenarShooter, John Burns etc that kill big game at really long distances but they practice shooting mostly year around near the areas they hunt and invest in good equipment. How many out there devote that kind of dedication and have a similar backyard to practice in? Familiarity with your equipment under variable conditions is everything in LR hunting. And in some regions one better learn to shoot at LR, it's wide open country.

I have a friend who’s building a 300 PRC so he can shoot elk 1000 yards.
He is an archery guy but wants a Long range gun. I tried to tell him to start off small like 6.5CM to hone his shooting skills for fraction of the price. It fell on deaf ears.

start out with a .223

The reason that energy minimums aren’t all that common anymore, is because impact energy isn’t all that relevant as a metric for killing effectiveness.

What caliber and 100 gr bullet are you looking at?

Too bad. You gave good advice.

This. A fast-twist 223 is an ideal setup to learn to shoot both long and short. Perfect for learning trajectory, wind reading, etc. Low recoil, low priced ammo.

On a lot of sites, including this one: http://www.shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php, you can plug in the angle of the trajectory.

When I knew I was going to be hunting the spot pictured below, I reran the numbers for the angle down to the to that pond about 550 yds distant. I think it only changed the point of impact a couple of inches, but I can't recall for certain. That was about a year and a half ago. I'm going back there this October if I don't draw a tag for the unit on which my property sits. The one in the pic is OTC.

If you really want to get technical. you can mount a cosign indicator to your gun to adjust yardage. That being said, I haven't found a big enough difference unless you're at an extreme angle or extreme distance.

I won't advocate salvaging antlers only, let alone filming the fiasco and making it into a hunting show, but plenty of rifle hunters do what you described too. Archers don't have a monopoly on that shïtshow.

In certain situations I feel it is the best move to back out and wait overnight, taking your chances with the coyotes. I've seen several wounded critters pushed onto private or a hellhole by folks pushing them. Gut/liver shot critters quite often bed down within a couple hundred yards and die overnight, if they're not pushed. It sucks, but at least you have a chance to find it and salvage things vs loosing it entirely to private land.

223 is a one of my favorites. He doesn’t re load and finding the heavier pills might not be the easiest. I do agree it’s the most economical way to learn.
Yet the 6.5.... before all this, I was getting S&B 140 fmj for 10.99 a box.
Also, I figure with 6.5 he can do target, deer and elk with in reasonable distances.
Doesn’t matter. He’s having a 300 built

He'll get humbled real quick shooting at a gong 800 and beyond.

Yup, sitting 20 ft. up in a tree or blind... or maybe calling a rut crazed elk right to your lap. Bow hunters get the prime time seasons because it used to be considered primitive. They now have there fair share of ‘long rangers’ - 70 or 100 yards. Hell, 50 was a no-no back in the day.

Bow hunter elites, gotta love ‘em. Bet you belong to BHA too....

Thought I’d clicked on the long range hunting forum.

Since I left Idaho in 2007 I have not given 10,000 feet elevation a thought. My Wyoming elk this year came from around 8,000 at 300 yards, my bull in Oregon at 3,00 feet at 410 yards. I live at 1200 feet elevation, and adjust my range cards for 6,000 so I am somewhat in the middle range of my hunting altitudes. I will need to be more aware.

Craig Boddington started that and has since disavowed it. Where do you think those numbers came from? That they're nice round numbers should be a clue. As is the fact that many people routinely kill elk with weapons that fall short, like muzzleloaders.

smokepole----It was Townsend Whelen, and 1500 is not an even number. I have killed several elk with an muzzleloader none over 100 yards. Let alone 600 or 700. I know you are dissing the energy recommendation, however there is more than just energy necessary for a long range hit. And the variables increase with distance. The state of Colorado references these numbers today in a great discussion regarding caliber choices, as do many current hunting and shooting articles, they are a guide just like caliber restrictions, nothing will ever be perfect,

That whole 1,500-2,000 foot pounds of energy was and is pure nonsense. I have been killing elk for many years with a puny little .308. On average the shots tend to be between 400 and 500 yards, as that is simply the type of shots that present themselves in the late season hunts and the terrain I hunt. I have used the little .308 effectively at greater distances (past 600) but the mid 4s are average.


The .308 was not producing energy numbers anywhere close to 2,000 FT #s at 400 yards. At 600 yards it was producing about 1100. I pay ZERO attention to foot pound charts. The formula that has worked for me is to simply find a load that shoots well with a decent bullet, buy in bulk such as 2,000 rds of 155 scenars at a whack:




then practice, practice, practice, then go shoot elk.

Then laugh when people (most of whom have very little or no experience killing elk) say that you can't do what you have been doing for years.

I don't think it's a good idea to conflate recommendations with legal restrictions with ethics. None are expressions of reality, but rather, they are values that humans have created that are distinct from reality, and thus are fluid and arbitrary.

If you don't like the way another guy does something, don't do it that way. Do it the way you think it should be done. As you state, nothing will ever be perfect. This is certainly true for all hunting using projectiles.

There are things other guys do that I would consider unethical if I did them. Taking shots well outside the range of the average hunting shot isn't one of those. As long as everyone is acting conscientiously, what gripe can I really have about the way another does things? For every skill I possess, there are guys that have a lot more of it than I do. This is certainly true for all hunting using projectiles.

I think that's who I first read asserting that too.


It is, was and always will be.

Especially whe you consider that it's OK for the US Miltary to use the 5.56 as its primary small arms chambering for killing people but the State of Colorado prohibits its use to kill deer.

What many have said about selective editing of these long range hunting videos is certainly correct. The ones that I was watching were impressive indeed at the effect of the bullet having on those critters at those long ranges. I admire those that have the skill set that they took time developing to produce such results.

Clint Eastwood said it right in one of his movies "A man has got to know his limitations". I agree with Clint or rather Dirty Harry but some of us are more limited than others.

Some will have the time, money, and access to build long range rifles and become very proficient with them due to lots of lots of lots of practice. Then to them what is a slam dunk shot at 775 yards is way beyond the comprehensive of someone who has always rifle hunted for whitetails out of a tree stand or blind where the long shots are across beanfields at 250-300 yards and a box of 20 shells lasts them for 5 years.. Both are right in their own opinion. The long range shooter has been out shooting canyons to canyon or in competition or just out in the hills practicing his craft. It's always great to watch someone who is good at what they do.....rather than to criticize them because the do things differently than you do them in your different setting.

I was a bowhunter for many years and took over 40 animals with a compound without sights shooting fingers at ranges from 5 yards to too far to be believed. That was when only one deer or elk per year is permitted. I would shoot in archery competitions and practiced about two nights a week in my backyard range. I would shoot and cleanly take animals with my bow at distances that some would say were "unethical" in their opinion; whereas my response to them was simple.....they were more limited.

Long range shooting is a newer and developing way to take game animals at greater distances than ever before due to technology in all the associated equipment and the skill set that can be developed with the required practice to become effective. Many will say "that ain't hunting" when an observer could reply that guy is simply more limited. I find it interesting and challenging and great fun to move forward acquiring tools and the skill set to become proficient at the art.

The heat that Hornady refers to was from aerodynamic drag. The back of the bullet will actually cool as it's been heated by the powder. Copper is a tremendously efficient conductor, so the whole jacket will stabilize pretty quickly. The copper is definitely not hot enough to change its ductility.

If there's any observed difference, it's likely due to velocity.

I can't quite agree more on that. Media is the real pandemic.

I agree. Everyone’s capabilities are different and if we have a bit of discipline and stay within our own abilities then a better chance of good outcomes.
With that being said, the only thing I don’t really understand is needing a title of “long range hunting” or labeling oneself as a “long range hunter”. Seems kind of meaningless to me because I assume all hunters try and get as close as possible within our comfort/ability zone.
Unfortunately I think the reality might be different. There may be a lot of “long range hunters” out there that intentionally set up very long shots.

I understand and agree with what you’re saying in regards to the risk of a clean kill vs wounding, but you have to admit that there is big difference in the amount of “hunting” required to get into a shot position with a bow vs a long range shot with a rifle.

It depends on how you define "hunting". I think of hunting as the pursuit and endeavor to seek out and kill something. Hunting can require several different skill sets. If you're stand hunting, then patience, holding still, and marksmanship are paramount. If you're still hunting, spot-and-stalk hunting, etc, then stalking may be a major skill set required, in addition to marksmanship. If you're calling, baiting, or driving, then stalking isn't all that important. If you were to use a knife or spear, shooting skill wouldn't be required at all. Yet all of these are different styles of hunting. Essentially, I think a lot of times people on this forum conflate stalking with "hunting". I would agree that LR hunting requires less stalking skill than SR hunting does. But it requires more shooting skill. Some guys enjoy hunting that involves more stalking, and other guys like hunting that involves more shooting. Both are hunting in my book.

So...maybe the forum should be LONG RANGE SHOOTING!!

No, long range shooting is when you're aiming at targets.

Ahhh we finally agree... 😂

yes it should be called long range target shooting

Or we could call it "Long Range Hunting". And those who are not interested in long range hunting could go to another heading.

Ringman, that's revolutionary thinking!

Send it!

I always find it funny that we continue to have this argument about long range hunting on a forum called Long Range Hunting......

Most true long range hunters have put in their time , money, and effort to get proficient at their skills but there will always be a few guys who bought the latest and greatest long range rifle and shoot a box of ammo a year and consider themselves ready for anything within sight. The simple fact is there are always going to be those guys out there just as well as there are going to be lots of guys like I have experienced who couldn't hit a deer at 50 yards that is standing still in front of them.... fighting each other on a forum like this where you know most of the responders are serious hunters who spend more time than most practicing their craft is nonsensical at best- but at least it is entertaining....

Bob

I agree. It would also be damn monotonous to do it just one way all the time. It also all boils down to knowing ones own capabilities. Only take the shots YOU are comfortable with. Thats it in a nutshell. 1 shot 1 kill. I dont believe in rodeos.

I am troubled by the mere fact that I agree with RM on this.

I used to spend a lot of time at the range. In the few weeks before deer season there would be dozens of hunters out there that couldn't even get their own rifles on paper. I spent a lot of time helping them sight in their rifles and saw all kinds of crazy crap. Once sighted in many could still not hit the target at 100. I know several shooters I'd trust to make a 1000 yard shot before I'd trust these average guys to make a 100 yard shot.

Most long range hunters use softer high bc bullets. The bullets actually perform quite well at lower velocities and leave large wounds. I've seen game drop like lightning when hit with a 140 vldh 6.5mm bullet. The 215 Berger Hybrid target 308 bullet dropped my bull elk 3 years ago instantly. I've shot elk with accubonds and other bullets but never had one smacked instantly to the ground like that 215 Berger did. Even the 6mm 105 vldh does a quick number on deer. I've also used the 208 amax 308 bullet for a lightning kill and had good luck at range with the 7mm 162 amax. Last year it was a 108 eldm in a 6 Creedmoor that dropped my buck at around 450 yards.

Bb

We rode mules, got up close and personal with the elk. I like to eat a two or three year old dry cow, used a 243 Winchester with a 100g Partition, and the combo never failed as shots were within 75-100 yards. I placed my shot, or did not fire. I think that an 85g Barnes tsx would have done just as well.

Stuff is not hard to kill, practice and be competent with your equipment, have the tools to judge ballistics with atmospherics. If you have a hunting/shooting partner, take careful notice if he slaps the trigger or raises his head up off the gun at the report. Ask him where the cross hair was as the gun fired, if he has no idea, then he will not be a candidate for long range shooting as he will soon demonstrate.

Sorry for the late response to this, but you’re right of course. I guess I’m looking at it from my own experiences and right or wrong, thinking of it as a difference in shot opportunities. Shot opportunities being easier to create with a rifle than a bow.
One example, I’ve been hunting Stone sheep yearly for almost 20 years and although most of the rams killed have been 200yds or less, there’s been a couple just over 400yds. If I had been taking shots at anything within 900yds instead of trying to close the distance, my shot opportunities would have been much higher over the years. The opposite would be if I was using a bow, then my shot opportunities would have been drastically lower. The same would apply to pretty much all the big game hunting I do, even sitting over a call or bait. An animal holding up outside of bow range is still within easy rifle distance.

That's definitely true. I suppose some guys want to maximize the number of opportunities and they practice/train accordingly, while others purposefully make hunting more challenging by using tools that limit opportunities (archery) like you mentioned. Depends on our reasons for hunting. Are we hunting for the meat/kill, or are we doing it for the challenge and the experience more than the meat/kill? Different people have different motivations for hunting, but in all cases it's still called hunting, in my book.

I prefer to get to 20 yards, but there are times where 200 is not possible and other times when 500 is not possible... goat hunting comes to mind... either you are equipped, practiced and confident or you go home empty handed... nothing wrong with ending with an empty hand, but nothing wrong with being prepared and getting it done either.

Damn forum has always been named wrong!

Should have been Long Range Shooting!!

I would have bet you two were related!

Well said....

[/S] For further consideration... [/SARC] What type of scumbag fakes an identity to be a part of a community they've been told their not welcome at? Larry Root, ScottDick, FredDoosh.. What a crew of pathetic bastids - to be banned from the only site on the internet that is pretty much a free-for-all.

Killing game at long distances and having to dope the wind doesn't add up to clean consistent kills. The type of terrain, wind direction, speed and consistency can and will push your point of impact all over the place.

That's hunting. There are lots of variables in the field that make clean kills an imperfect science, whether shooting at short distance or long, such as moving game, unpredictable animal movements, etc.

It's certainly true that if you haven't practiced enough to be able to judge the wind and place your bullet with accuracy, in addition to learning about animal behaviour so you can determine when an animal is most likely to stay stationary, you should avoid shooting game at long distance.

Some serious skoolin' here! Fuucking retard.

I hear they have the same taste in scopes.

The hell you say, and what might that be? Never really paid much attention to RM's scope tastes, you have, please enlighten?

LOL, think "Hubble," ringman likes his big.

Just kidding, by the way.

nunya

Oh no! My next scope will be a 2 1/2-25X52. It's two ounces more than my Bushnell and two millimeters larger.

Mindja own

Ringman, are you benching 300 yet?

I hope things are going well for you and yours.

I was up to 217 pounds last March. The gym shut down for eleven months. Today I got back to 190 pounds at the end of six weeks. So I am a year older and seven pounds fatter. To get back to 160 pounds body weight is going to be difficult.

If this three acres ever sells I will put that Hubble on a custom.

LOL

When I mounted the 8x56mm, I was like, dude, I hope smokepole notices my girth..

That's just wrong, using those words in the same sentence.

Thanks Ringman, I hope you and yours are well too. Our gym shut down for a month or two, but things are starting to get back to normal around here. That is, if you call working out with a mask on "normal."

My apologies to ringman. My comment was completely out of line! No one can give an azz hickey like boomer and you have never been like that. At least you are your own man.

You're alright, DingoDuk. No apology necessary. I try not to be a jerk, but one time I told a boss, "You add new dimension to the word 'idiot'." Can you believe he fired me? What thin skin!

Right.
I was in a hunting camp last year, there were some "hot-dogs" with their LR hunting rifles. they asked me, what are you shooting? My reply was, this is one of my 308's. You're only shooting a 308? I replied, yes, should be more than enough. We are only hunting deer.

My outfitter had a pair in 2017 (now they are all banned) that had custom 30-378s and enough electronics to make a moon landing.

They passed up several good Mulies cause they were "too close".

Finally found on @700 yards and "ONLY" took 6 shots to kill it.

Guide put them on it by watching the snow splashes from the misses !

"Kaintuckie" windage and elevation.

Is he hunting?
2007
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A guy walks to the woods carrying his long bow in one hand. On his back, along side his small backpack is a quiver with a few wooden arrows. The back pack carries a canteen and enough food for one day. Is he hunting?

A guy drives to the woods in a pickup. He gets out throws on his small backpack with a canteen and enough food for one day. He has a quiver with a few arrows attached to his compound bow and heads into the woods. He has a range finder on his belt. Is he hunting?

A guy walks out his back door and heads for the woods with his open sighted .30-30 rifle. He has a canteen and a little lunch in a small fanny pack. Is he hunting?

A guy drives to the woods in his pickup. He gets out and grabs his .270 with a 3-9X scope sighted in for 100 yards. He takes a few cartridges out of the box and puts them into his pocket. He puts on a backpack which has a rangefinder and enough food and water for a whole day; and a little more if he decides to stay in the woods. Is he hunting?

A guy drives to the woods in his pickup. He gets out. He puts on his binoculars which he installed in a bino-buddy. He then puts on his backpack which contains enough food and water for a day. On his belt is a rangefinder. He picks up his long range 7STW with a Swarovski z5 5-25X52 sighted in for 300 yards mounted on it. Installed on the fore end is a bipod. Is he hunting?

A guy drives to the woods in his pickup. He goes to a clear-cut he scouted earlier in the year. After pulling off the roads at an abandoned landing he gets out a portable benchrest and sets it up. He then places a range finder on it to one side. Then he sets out a front rest and a rear sandbag on the bench rest. He carefully places a .30-378 Wea Mag carrying a Nightforce 12-42X56 scope sighted in for 100 yards. He can adjust the turret for the range at which he sees game. He gets out a set of Minox 15X58 Big Eyes and mounts them on a tri-pod. Is he hunting?

Irresponsible hunters takes all forms, and can be found in all hunting disciplines. Don't let yahoos like that taint your opinion of responsible hunters who are capable of consistently making long shots on game.

with respect, the military uses the 556/223 round because a soldier acn carry plenty ammo,this round is accurate,works well in a M-16 , and another reason it wounds the enemy soldiers very good, so then the enemy needs two soldiers to get the wounded soldier back to their camp. that`s the reasons for the 556/223 you wound one soldier and it takes out three enemy soldiers fighting against us. the round was developed for the military not just for hunting.

There is a book called “the perfect shot” that a Large animal vet in Africa wrote on that high shoulder shoot that pops the nerve running up the neck, and also cuts the major artery going to the brain.

I’ve done that shot, and the animal locks up from the nerve thing, and faints because of the blood to the brain thing.
Some times they fall over like a chair with stiff legs.

I just call it "Going Afield"

ya!

GWB

1. You show up at my moose camp with anything less than a 300 Win Mag ? you ain't going hunting .... period .....

2. pass 1 ? next , you shoot a 6" diameter steel plate at 500 yards with your rifle & ammo , cold bore and miss ? you ain't going moose hunting .... period .... these are the only two requirements , can't do either ? piss off

I don't have time to mess with 100 yard max, terrified of recoil, unable to learn ballistics gundummies in my moose camp ....

shots can be 30 yards to 500 yards at any given time during the hunt and at times much further,

if you can't shoot or don't have the proper equipment or knowledge ? then you ain't a hunter and just another gundummy, ain't got time fo that

They only show you what they want you to see. Sell more rifles, scopes and ammo that way.

After seeing you numerous pics and posts with you moose, it would be hard to argue with anything you have to say about moose hunting.