Today I received my 150gr accubond longrange 2nds from sps. Loaded a few charges of h1000 and will shoot them this weekend.

150ablr on left, 150 berger vld on right


Loaded rounds

Right on bro, those look nasty!

Looking forward to your results.

cool I just got mine today to
i'm looking forward to results as well

Me too! I'm currently shooting 140 gr Berger hunting VLD's with super accuracy, but if I can get similar accuracy from the LRAB, I'll use it for big game.

Whats the coal of your loaded rounds with the 150 grian bergers or accubonds? Will they fit in a rem. short action?

Game changer for the 27 caliber for sure.

Well this is timely, I just ordered both cases and this bullet to try in a friends 270 WSM.

What action/size you running and COAL?

COAL looks like about 2.95" to me.

Im running a m70 action and COAL is 3.030 for initial testing.

Shoot em yet? mtmuley

At 3.03 COAL Probably a bit to long for Remington short action then, thats to bad.

About .25" short, unless you use a Wyatt's...

I'm more interested to see if a 1-10" will spin them right. I imagine so...

I hope so to. Just ordered a brux 1-10 twist last week. Berger suggests it for 150 grainers.

Any idea how much extra length a Wyatts will give?

You should be fine, my 1-10" spun 165 Matrixes okay.

A Wyatt's should net you about 2.95" of COAL latitude. I'm not sure how feeding would be.

That bullet mighta suck the life outta my 280AI wants....

His barrel is an aftermarket barrel and has a longer throat than a factory chambering. I loaded some up in my M70 extreme weather with a factory 24" tube and I hit lands at 2.935" with this bullet and Norma brass which is perfect for a M70 which is longer than a rem700 SA (only reason I bought a M70 in 270wsm). Also I am hitting lands with 150gr interbonds at 2.870" so my throat is a lot shorter than his. These bullets are pretty slick they don't look like a VLD as much as the matrix bullets I have, but when measuring my lands the COAL was about the same as the 165gr Matrix bullets. So we will see how they shoot out of a factory rifle. Going to shoot some in the morning.

Threw a few loads together with the .277 150 LRAB this morning for my 270 Win. Hopefully get to try them here in the near future to see how they'll do.



Just as a curiosity, I took a pic of the 150 LRAB as compared to the 7mm 162 AMAX.

Good looking bullet, but compared to the Amax, has what appears to be a fairly short tangent ogive with a longer bearing surface. Would love for the BCs to come out as advertised, but remain somewhat skeptical.

Very interested to see the upcoming range reports.

John

805, Cant wait for your report. Those 150ALR would be nice in my 270. I bet they wont be so finicky with seating depths like Bergers.

That's a good looking bullet, My new 25" Benchmark 416R stainless bbl in .270 Win is waiting for mine.



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Finally got around to shooting some test loads. I loaded up the same powder and charge weight as my 150gr Berger VLD load I am currently shooting. Very happy with the results at 100 and will try to test them at 300 and then test for drops soon.

I tested 66gr and 67gr H1000 loaded in Norma brass and Fed215M. OAL was 3.030 which is magazine length. At this length the 150gr ABLR is .133 off the lands. As a side note my 270WSM is a custom match chamber and is throated much longer than most factory WSM.
67gr load measured a .392 group with an es of 7 at 3060FPS. The target has 1/2" squares. Figured someone would ask!

I've got some to try tomorrow in my 270. M70 kiss was 3.495, but not near enough azz in the neck. Ended up at 3.375, which put the boat tail right at the bottom of the neck (.120 off, pretty clost to 32 20 Fan). Mag box is 3.400. I'm running H4831SC, gonna crawl outta the gate at 54.0 up to 58.0 and see WTF. Hopefully the weather will hold for the chronograph. Trying to kill 3 birds with one stone.....

Looking real good so far. mtmuley

Very nice Andy. Looks like a great start.

Thanks guys. It was a nice suprise. It also shoots almost the same POI as my 150VLD load.

Looking good at 100 is one thing, what happens when dials start turning will be the proof in the pudding.

If'n anyone is wondering.....

16bore- I agree completely. Im hoping the 150ABLR groups as good as my 150VLD at 300 which is 1 1/2" and then I will test drops. I do really like the vld but a bonded bullet has its positives also.

That's because your in the center of your node for 150's. Outstanding!

John,

Your comment about the ogive is correct but the AB has a longer heel so bearing surface may be closer to the Amax than you think.

I can see where the 270 crowd is really excited, having one or two 150 gr slick bullets to try, while I get weary eyed trying to pick another 243/264/308 bullet to load

Interesting stuff. This might change the name of the game with my .270 Sendero ...

I'm gonna want to me moving them a little quicker than that Nosler "best accuracy" H4350 recipe, though

AI the SOB.......

FWIW I always chose the 150 BT in the past, looks like a ICBM to me and killed, like JB's Hammer of Thor More of a good thing? Perhaps.

Started a little work up this evening. The particulars:

1969 PF M70, McMillan Winlite, floated, M8 6x42, schit trigger, 22" tube.


RP hulls, CCI 200's, H4831 54.0-58.0, 3.375 COAL

54.0 = 2631
55.0 = 2650 (Nosler data has a max 2905 @ 3.340)
56.0 = 2726
57.0 = 2740
58.0 = 2781

58's had a drifter, but a CH under MOA. Ran 57.0 to 505 (Ballistic says 10.1 MOA -53.5 drop) dialed 10 MOA and shot 2 3/8" group but 7 1/2" low. I don't have a turret on this scope, FWIW.

Sooo..
Nosler's max book load was 261 FPS shy of what my chrono says. The 150gr data from Hornady#8 was just about dead on (Hornady lists 150 IB at 2,800 FPS w/ 57.3 H4831 @3.210"). 2,900 FPS is where I'd like to be. Primers look fine, just starting to top hat. Backing out the numbers, BC seems more like .500'ish. 100 yd group is low outta the gate and there are probably a few more variables in there, need a little more trigger time to see WTF.

I can't see .500 being it. But that's good stuff, right outta' the gate.

I can....

at the end of the day.... most .270s aren't spun right to allow for high bc projectiles, kinda' like the .25-06.... hamstrung by factory twist rates.

How does barrel twist effect BC? No doubt that the factory tube will spin it, I just don't think its .625......yet

If I'd shot it out of a 1:8 going the same speed, drop would be the same, no?

I think dogshooter meant that most 270cal are 10 twist so companies have to build bullets that will stabalize for that twist. Which limits the length and weight the bullet can be.
Ill bet the 150ABLR will be about 560bc. Not that it matters that much. I like the fact they are bonded and thats why I am trying them.

Newbie here,
What's the difference between the Accubond Long Range and the regular accubond? I was planning on hunting with 140 accubonds in my 270wsm.

thanks for that writeup, 16 bore.

the difference is in the hybrid ogive. they can make alot sleeker bullet and have it still not be so tempermental to shoot. basically nosler copied bergers hybrid bullets. make the ogive tangent where it meets the lands and then switch to secant after that and add a really long nose to the bullet. the 270 has never been known as an extreme long range round and thus people haven't built guns to do it based on the 270 win. so there hasn't been a need for bullets that are super sleek instead the focus has been on bullets that shoot well in a variety of guns and seating depths. this nosler bullet is an attempt to satisfy both needs, I have a box that I am going to try although one issue with my gun is it was throated for 130 grain bullets and has a shorter throat than a factory gun. so we will see how that works out.

That's exactly what I meant....

I think that no matter what brush you paint it with... the best you're ever gonna get from a .277/10 twist... is about a .550BC.... which is still solid for a hunting bullet. But, I'd not delude myself into thinking I could buy 7mm/162 AM performance.... which requires a 1/9" to run.... then stick it in a smaller bore that's twisted slower.... and expect the math to work out. Either you can't spin it enough.... or the BC ain't what it's cracked up to be.... or both.... but certainly not neither.

Definitely don't think its .625. Aint nothing a 162, cept a 162. That bullet is money....BC held tight as I recall

I'm really happy with the 140 gr Berger VLD's in my 270 WSM, but if it looks like the LRAB is going to have a BC around .550 that will get 'em in my gun for load testing. As accurate as those 140 have been for me, I have had very good success with Accubonds in the past.

Cummins- How much shorter than factory is your throat? Is it a 270WSM or 270WIN? My bro is running his right on the lands in his factory m70EW wsm and the base is buried pretty deep. Mine is throated longer and the base is right below the neck/shoulder junction at mag length.

16bore- Thanks for the write up. Have you considered trying RL22 or RL17? Might give you a little more speed.

Hit Vitals and they are Same Same = Death

Nothing wrong with regular ABs or BTs in my book, not in 140-150 class, new bullet perhaps less hold over and allowance for wind, but most hunters may never realize the diff. My .o2

'22 is on the to do list. The Hornady 150gr data shows it topping out at 2900. If its inline like the 4831 was, might be GTG.

BTW, Hornady lists the BC for 150 IB's at .525. That's about where these will be, I bet. Can't make chicken salad outta chicken schit.....

Same page... though a 150/.500/3k is no slouch to 8 bills or a little more...

I wish I had 800 but 500 is all I've got. Noslers data seems like wishful thinking, at least so far. Looking over some of my loading notes, it seems most of Hornady's powder/velocity data is tight.

Damn that 162 Amax.......

16bore, Thanks for the writeup on your findings so far. I've yet to give mine a try but based on your info, I may need to up the load a little.

I just ordered some 7mm 168 ABLR blems from SPS and anxious to give them a try in my 7RM.

Heres another pic of a few bullets to compare.
Left to Right
150vld,150ib,150ablr,165matrix

Checked SPS no less than 10 times today and never saw any ABLR, did they have the 150s up there today

MSU,

I received the SPS Newsletter yesterday afternoon and it mentioned they had a few (handful was their word) 7mm 168 blems in stock so I checked. At the time I ordered, they had 20 bags in stock with a limit of 2 per customer. I'd say within 20 minutes they were sold out. Those were the only ABLRs I could see in their listing.

that ABLR looks like its pretty darn close in size to the 165 matrix. I would think their actual BC would be close. the ABLR has a really strong boat tail on it. I can't believe nosler would release a bullet that claims such a high BC and then have it so low.

I'm taking my initial findings with a grain of salt, maybe the whole shaker. First go 'round was about finding pressure and velocity. Next trip I'll focus soley on drop. Who knows, I mighta screwed up something. It happens, well.....once anyway. Got another plan so stay tuned for next weeks episode. Looking forward to see what others are finding too.....

Many details, scope height over bore...

Ill be testing them tonight at 500 and ill report to you guys.

Litz's numbers are:
150gr Sierra .463
150gr Matrix RBT .451
150gr Berger VLD .514

162gr A-Max .599

I doubt the 150 IB will be .525, and I suspect that the LR Accubond will be in the low .500s too.

I am waiting for my 7mm 168's LRAB to arrive and I will also test them at longer ranges.

Why the hell don't they just hire Brian Litz to figure this stuff out instead? Or is more complicated than that? What did Hornady do to come up with .625 vs. Brians .599?

doesn't the bc vary depending on the speed the bullets are pushed at?? also none of those bullets have the hybrid bullet design which further ads to the ballistic limits they are able to push the bullet design to. look at all bergers hybrid designs they all have a little better BC than regular vld bullets. with the length of the 165 matrix and the 150 lrab being about the same I would image the bc would be close. anyone know what the actual number is on the matrix 165??

Anyone heard if berger is still going to be producing the 170 grainer for the 270,last i heard it was almost done its testing phase. At the time it was futher in development then the 190 grain for the 7mm.

I think because Berger hired him. I have confirmed two of his numbers out to 500 yards - for the Nosler Partitions in .308" 200gr and .284" 175gr. Nosler says those 175gr bullets have a BC of .519 when it seems to really be in the .45 range. All the more reason to go out and test + practice instead of believing ballistics charts.

Edit - I shouldn't say "confirmed" because I didn't measure velocities at range. I measured my muzzle velocities with a 35P and then used a GPS to confirm altitude. I used a range finder to confirm various distances to targets. I then used a ballistics program to calculate clicks required to have impact at point of aim. When using Litz's BC numbers the calculations were pretty much spot on to what I was seeing at the range.

Cummins real world bc of the 165 matrix is about 640.
I shot the 150ablr at 500 a few nights ago and was very happy with results. Grouped very well. I plan to load some more and test the bc at longer ranges and try to shoot through a chrony at distance.

************ 150 ABLR Part II *************

Well [bleep] and save matches. Went out for round 2 tonight and I'd say results were impressive. Tried to duplicate everything I did the first time out for the most part. I ran the 58.0gr H4831SC load at 3.375 over the chrono again and averaged 2817fps (2781 previously). The brass I used previously was prepped with an older set of RCBS dies. The stuff I shot tonight was done with a new set of Reddings, everything neck sized. I noticed a bit more neck tension when seating this time around, so I reckon that could account for the increase in velocity. The 58.0gr group I shot last week had the 2 together and one jumper. I took another 3 tonight that were 0.020 shorter and I'm glad I did. Those are 3/4" squares which are ideal with 6x:


I then ran the 58.0gr 3.375 load at 502 yards (Leica 1200). Last go round I just tried to run the elevation dial to compensate for drop. Friction adjustments and a slide ring ain't making bacon. Instead, I set up a 6' stand and made no changes to the scope (M8 6x42) and figured I'd let the chips fall where they may:


I also ran a plumb bob from the center of the target down the entire board, as it sat a little wonky. The tape you see is the same dangle as the target sat at the 502 yard line.

Group sucked ass, but I Machine Gun Kelly'ed 5 rounds. Tape measure is stuck in the middle of the bull.


Ran the Ballistic App on my iPhone (yes, I hear you sis [inside joke]) and actually used the locator job and the whole 9 yards with the 2817 velocity (I only had 3 of the 3.355's, these were 3.375) and holy schit, this is what it puked out:



I don't believe a damn bit of it, but like I said...[bleep] and save matches.

Wow, that's wild.

Very cool!

If I am reading your post correctly....

I just ran JBM with your load, BC/speed/weight.

JBM says....500 yds
-48.9 -9.3 2122.0

Your load 502 yds
-48.3 -9.2 2131.0


Appears that Nosler's BC is on the money!

And that is what I was hoping for.

Who'da thunk it?


16bore why don't you believe it? You just proved it!

I will bet that bullet has another 100 fps in it from a 22" tube...likely RL25 will bring it out of a 22" barrel. Think I will get some and try them in a 9 twist Brux..

Wonder how 16bore's numbers would compare to a high BC 6.5 140 from a 6,5/06?

Tell you what Bob, Berger will go out of its way to make sure we un-thunk it.

I figured there was alot of skepticism, but I'd hate to be Noz and think I'd knowingly mis-publish bad info and get caught, not good for their reputation.

1500 lbs at 500 yds is nothing to sneeze at...

So those doing fine in a 10 twist?

I would call that a pretty good group, for 500 yards with a 6X scope.

16Bore- Thank you for the follow up. I have only been able to shoot them at 500 once so far but they were very accurate and less drop than my 150VLD. Have you considered shooting them thru the chrony at distance to see the velocity at say 300 and check that vs the drop chart data??

So after reading over this last night I went right on the 'net to find some... whoa! Can't find any! Anybody seen any available?

http://www.10xtacout.com/

SU should be interesting.

Move over Berger. mtmuley

Thank you Aviator

Thanks for the reports on the 150 ABLR.

I do have to admit that I'm anxious for results beyond 500 yards though. 500 yards seems too close to show real problems.

I had the 140gr NAB match advertised BC out to 800 yards with a T3 270 Win. This bullet was dead-nutz vs calculated drop using JBM. Same rifle shot the 140gr Horn BTSP per advertised BC to 500 yards, but was way off at 800 yards. In other words, 500 yards didn't tell the whole story for the BTSP. Maybe it didn't stabilize as well as the NAB? I don't know.

Similar thing happened just recently with a BAR in 270 Win. Rifle shoots handloads and factory ammo under 1 MOA. Its a freaking tackdriver, regardless of action type. With 140gr NAB it matches the drop chart at 500 yards for advertised BC. At 800 yards it was more than a foot low. Fiddled with chart to match actual and nothing lined up.

I'm excited about the 150 ABLR, but would like to see confirmation of BC with tests beyond 500y.

Thanks again for the reports, this is still good stuff.

Jason

Ive been creeping along this thread since it started and i have been liking what i see. As a dwindling .270 fan I think this might have just put some beat back in my heart.

I have been patiently waiting for these to come out in 7mm(unless there already out and i just cant find them) to try in both my rem mag and wsm.

Has anyone done any penetration tests with photos of recovered bullets yet?

My question is not just for Jason -
I am wondering if you guys are using the G1 versus G7 BC in your ballistic programs and if so why? I thought the G7 model was better predictor of drops for boattail bullets at long range -600 yds plus distances.

I am glad to to see the bullets are shooting well. I will have to look for some to try in my rifles. Thanks!

Maybe 4thpoint needed to run it using G7? 505 is all the room I've got to play, so someone else will have to take it from there....

Well there 16, if all holds firm..... you'll have to shoot a crow or two with that load.... and I'll table up to a big'ol plate....

table for two........

Hope there's still some ballistic pixie dust residue left on the remnants of crow..... cause it still defies conventional wisdom(?).

Have never used the G7 numbers although I know its supposed to be more accurate. G1 has worked so I haven't changed, although you guys make a good point. I should check those drops vs the G7.

The G1 numbers have worked with that T3 I mentioned earlier and the 140gr NAB, a 300 Win Mag and 200gr NAB, and another 300 Win with 200gr NAB. Not a big sampling, but three rifles with bullets that matched their advertised G1 at 800 yards.

I've had other rifle/bullet combos that match the advertised G1 out to 600 yards but I never shot them farther.

I was at the local sporting goods store and they had 2 boxes of 150 ABLR in-stock. Almost bought both boxes, but sold the BAR to a buddy and sold the T3 to get a 375 Ruger. No more 270's in the house!

I've been on the fence regarding another 270 Win or something smaller like a 6.5 Creedmoor or 260.

Shot a few this morning through a m700 XCR 270WSM, 68.3grs Retumbo gave 3025 fps and 1.8" 3 shot group @ 306 yards (little over half moa). Very impressive

This bullet turns the 270 into a new animal...especially for Elk size game !

I have to agree with others and will be trying to test the BC at 700 or 800 yards. Running some numbers through JBM for BC of .625,.590 and.560 shows only 1.5" difference in drop at 500. To me that is very tough to measure. Those same numbers at 700 show 4.8" difference and might be a bit easier to measure. For my main purpose which is hunting a 1.5" difference at 500 isnt going to mean anything. I will still be well within the vitals of my intended game. 5" at 700 might become a miss though.

I was driving through bend and stopped by nosler. They had a couple of bags of 7mm 168 ablr's on the shelf so I picked them up. I'll have to see how they shoot in my 7 wsm Montana. Too bad I just sold my 7 LRM. They might be decent in my 7-08 at about 2650.

Bb

Bb,

That's what I'm hoping to get out my 7-08 with the 168 ABLR. It shoots the 162 Amaxs lights out and hoping for the same with these.

Im sure you know this already but drop doesn't really mean much at long range because it is constant and clicks will adjust for that. The difference of .625 to .560 will be the big deal in wind drift that will make the difference.

I was referring to the difference in drop at the published BC and what the actual BC might be at longer ranges. Dialing is only accurate with a proven BC IMO.

gotcha

Was it insufficient for elk before? I didn't know that!

Just curious why some guys think the BC will not hold up?

I mean if you can build bullets in 6.5 and 7mm with BC's over .600 why is it not possible to build them in .277 that have the same characteristics?

It's absolutely possible to build them..... physics say it's not gonna be very likely that a 1/10" .277 will stabilize a bullet with a .600 BC. The 6.5s and 7s are typically 1/9".... that was my point earlier. Hornady recommends a 1/9" for the 162 with the same BC as Nosler lists the 150 .277 ABLR. Berger tried and tried to build a ballisticaly solid .277 bullet.... but .55 was the best they could do. I'm thinking if Berger couldn't make it happen.... there's no way, aside from pixie dust, that Nosler could beat Berger by 75 points. Furthermore, Nosler is notorious for bloating BC numbers.... sometimes to the tune of 10% or more.... see Varmint Hunter Mag for the article on that.

I was thinking that Nosler had been making bullets for quite some time and wondered why they are just now doing it. I guess they finally responded to the LR demand. Usually if it seems too good to be true, it is. I'd like to see results from others, especially way out there....

Then again "Nosler has been making bullets for quite some time", so why wouldn't it work, right???

This is not correct. The original 130-150 .270 bergers are lower than optimum as they designed them to work with some jump vs jammed in the lands as the .270 is primarily a hunting round (vs limited by 1/10 twist). The BC can be improved as noted by Eric Stecker below. I see they added a hybrid 130 option that increases BC from around .46 to .5. Maybe will see 140, 150 gr options someday.

This is what Eric Stecker wrote (AR) on another forum when Berger released the 130s:

"Since we knew the 270 cal bullet were going to be used mostly by hunters we adjusted the VLD design to be more magazine fed friendly. Also, a slightly shorter secant ogive tends to shoot well with a jump so you can take your round out of the chamber and not worry about sticking the bullet in the rifling (and getting an action full of powder in the middle of your hunt). We did everything we could to keep the hunter in mind. As time passes and interest grows for a higher BC 270 cal we can make some down the road"

Lou

We'll see...... I'd bet a box of'em that it's closer to .550 than it is to the listed .625....

Don't get me wrong... .550 is still good (and better than I roll out of the .260/123Amax)... but, it ain't .625.

You need 1/8 - 1/9 to spin .600+ in a 6.5....
You need 1/9ish to run .600+ in a 7...
So, it makes absolute sense that you can run a .600+ .277 in a 1/10?

dogshooter, dude there isn't enough information I have seen to make a conclusion that nosler is way off on the BC of the bullet. in fact we have one person that tested the bullets in this thread and they tracked spot on, granted the group is kinda big for the distance and its hard to tell with certainty what the POI is.

the reason the BC is lower on 270 bullets is because how many guys are putting together a short throated 270 win custom?? I have one but I am sure its the exception. most factory 270's have very long throats, in fact my factory 270 chamber there was no way the lands could be reached and still seat a bullet. so they needed a more conservative bullet design to shoot well in these types of chambers, the new hybrid design makes it such that the bullet can be designed even more aggressively than the best VLD designs of several years ago. I am surprised it took bullet makers so long to come up with the hybrid bullet shape.

Berger's twist calculator gives a value of 1.28 for a 150 grain .277" bullet 1.39" long and travelling 2900 fps at 70 degrees and sea level from a 1:10" barrel. They classify anything from 1.0 to 1.5 as "marginal stability" and over 1.5 as reliably stable.

Who knows, maybe you don't absolutely have to have as much twist as we think to get away with a high BC. Berger recommends 1:11" for their 7mm 140, and 1:10" for their 168's. Those bullets have pretty respectable BC's and are obviously only .007" bigger in diameter...

Maybe I screwed up then.......

Good discussion on the twist.

My concern hasn't been the twist or BC, but how well these new LR bullets do at longrange (i.e. low velocity). Nosler recommends "1300 fps" on the low-end to "unlimited" on the top. That seems like one heck of a bullet, if it really opens well at such a low velocity, yet retains weight well at high impact speeds.

For comparison, the regular Accubonds are listed as "1800 fps" and "unlimited".

I know for a fact that a .600+ bc .277 bullet stabilizes in a 1-10" twist rifle. My brother and I have both tested the 165gr matrix bullets in 1-10 rifles both 270wsm his is a custom rifle and mine is a factory model 70 extreme weather with only a 24" barrel and there bullets stabilized just fine out to 300yards where I shoot my lader test. So the stability question is not a factory and for a hunting rifle anything over .530bc will be great it's only a matter of wind deflection after that.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/accubond-long-range-117118/index4.html

Another test of the 150ABLR.

Ran it again tonight, same schit, better story. Either I did the same wrong things as last time, or the same things right. Either way, time to mass produce.......

Still choking on the feathers from the last serving of crow....

Has anyone shot them into milk jugs, phone books etc to see how they hold up? The accuracy and b/c reports look great! Thanks!

Maybe the lesson here is, for those ordering a new 270 barrel, simply order a 9 twist. I have one now, a Brux, and IIRC got my first 9 twist 270 barrel back in the 80's....but did it for completely different reasons back then.

Good point on the 1-9" twist. The last two barrels that I ordered, a Douglas in .257 Roberts and a Hart in .280 Remington, were both 1-9" simply because of the higher BC bullets that are coming available and the fact that we may be forced to go lead-free at some point in time for our hunting bullets.

Here is a write up of the 210ABLR tested for expansion. Very impressive results so far.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/accubond-lr-comparison-g7-bc-test-115818/index4.html

I've been mulling over a 30-06 AI with those chubbies.....

HILARIOUS!!!

Why hilarious? The BC's are holding up. Other tests show it as well. A bullet that can perform at close range and out there too. Typical Berger slut arent you? mtmuley

Cause your funny................take a slut to know a slut ! LMAO!!!!

Funny. Funny is I bet you try them. Funnier is if you admit they may even be a good bullet. Maybe I'm an Accubond slut. mtmuley

LOL..................your right I will try em and IF they shoot you can best believe I'll add them to my reloading!!!!! Just waiting on my shop to get some!!!!!!

Good luck withthem then. I haven't had time to get the 210s past 100 yards yet. mtmuley

What's your initial impression of the 210's? I wouldn't mind knocking the dust off my 06....

Thanks Guy................same to you!!!!!

Would you mind referencing where this is documented? The only tests I've seen so far didn't go beyond 500 yards...

Jordan,

A guy on LRH ran them to 1K in a 270win.Ive only ran them to 500 so far but hopefully will get to shoot a few at 1K this weekend.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/accubond-long-range-117118/index4.html

Thanks!

I'd still like to see some more in-depth BC testing before giving the green light on the published BC numbers.

Let us know how your results turn out!

Jordan, 805 gave the link of the test I read, and of course his test too. 16bore, I'll know more when I have more time to shoot longer. I think my RUM is gonna like them just fine. Hope to hunt muleys in the Missouri Breaks with them this fall. mtmuley

I don't have anything out at long range yet, but I did all the load work at 200 yards. Best so far is RL25, with the 150 ABLR running 3140 out of my 270WSM.




Then, after I shot that, I ran one into the ater jugs at about 8 yards to see how they would hold up.











They have seemed to be pretty accurate right outta the gates for me. Speed is really good and they seem to be quite easy to get decent speeds for them.

This rifle might go along as my back up elk rifle this Fall. Did real well with 150 PT's and 140 AB's in the past..

Another note about the 150's in the 270 and the 168's in the 7mm WSM, they both seemed to prefer to shoot a little better starting around .050" off. I know it isn't set in stone, just what I have seen with my two rifles and the new ABLR's. Have had pretty good luck with them so far.

I was planning on getting some more time to tweak the 168 load for the 7 today, but rain has kinda crushed that for today.

I ran a few of the 7mm 168's from my 7wsm Montana on Saturday. The load I tried went about 1 moa at 100. I was running h1000 and they clocked right at 3000.

This afternoon I found some on the 150g 270's at sportsmans so I bought a box. I have a b series action 700 bdl in the basement that I picked up for a doner. It was very clean and in excellent shape so I never have torn it down. I just put a nitrex 3-9x42 on it and through together a few loads with the 150's over 7828 to try out. I've never been a big 270 fan but I've had a few and this load of 7828 used to run my 150 partitions at 3000 fps.

If this shoots with these AB LR's at 3000 it will have me considering a 270 again. I've got a few other long actions and some 1st gen ti barrels and I might be able to find a fluted Alaskan Ti barrel. I may be piecing together a loner/backup gun in 270. One good thing about 270's is that I can always get cheap brass and nosler usually has 2nds in that caliber.

Bb

There are quite a few using 7828 and getting right at 3000 with the new 150 ABLR's. Pretty good accuracy too. I kinda thought with this new bullet, it'll breath a little life into the old 270's that have been collecting dust for awhile.

3,000 FPS in a 270???? Schitfire and save matches.....

Tried my old 7828 load with the 150 AB LR in a 22" bdl 270 win. Accuracy wasn't great but it clocked right at 2970 fps.

I don't want to burn a lot of powder and bullets in the old bdl doing load development because it's not a gun I'll likely hunt with. I may dig out the adl synthetic action I have and a 1st gen Ti 270 barrel and Ti take off stock and through together a faux Ti 270 this week.

I was thinking about rechambering a 7-08 Ti barrel I have to 280 AI and putting it on that action and in that stock but if I can get close to 3000 from these 270 AB LR 150's it'll be easier to just go that route.

Bb

Interesting post there fellas. Maybe you can't make chicken salad outta chicken schit....
ABLR weight retention.....

Well, Im glad the poster ran the little 100 and 110 test cause they did exactly what I thought they would do. I've seen those little suckers partitioned and they are amazing. They go down the tip to ogive and then get really really thick jacketed. Thicker than any other accubond I've seen. That bullet is designed for a special purpose...short to medium range close up hunting with the 6.8. Hog hunters are having a ball with those little 100/110 accubonds. I've got some here and am planning on doing some testing and using for wis deer hunting where shots are not over 100 yds in most cases. I WOULD NOT be using the long range accubond for the same.
The poster, I'm afraid, is living in a wishfull world where they would make a jacket like the little 100 accubond and have an accurate long range bullet. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I believe alot of the accuracy of that LRAB is coming from a thinner match grade jacket that can form to the barrel rifling better and most likely be made with better concentricity.
I can't argue that the LRAB will or won't hold up on elk shoulder at 100 yds. It isn't designed for that shot...but that doesn't mean you might not get that shot in the field.
I do beleive the real intent of the LRAB is for beanfield, powerline, tundra, pronghorn, .....wide open spaces hunting. Although some claim the bergers do it all...all the time I still don't think the perfect all around bullet exists....but just like picking a golf club for your next shot....the shooter can decide and pick what he thinks will work best.

Heres those little 100/110 accubonds partitioned....note the huge diffs between those and others in the same wt class....

http://www.noslerreloading.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=18940

BTW....noslers new 3030 ballistic tip round nose for the 3030 is built alot like those little accubonds. Thin jacket and big hollow point at the top....about 40% down the bullet....kaboom...super thck jacket stopping further peel back.
They haven't picked up traction with the 3030 shooters but I think it might be the best bullet out there for the 3030. My marlin will put 5 under an inch at 100 yds.

Damn, gotta' wonder how people ever killed elk with cup and core bullets for a bajillion years.

And how did Jack Nicklaus play golf with a driver that wasn't as big as a boxing glove??!! LOL

How did Earl Anthony bowl 300 games w/o a bowling ball that hooked 2' in the last 3 ft of lane!

16 thanks for the link. To me looks like pretty good performance from a bullet built to expand as low as 1300fps. Id take expansion like at 100 yards.

Wonder why he don't just whack a fricken hog with it and see what happens. Milk jugs ain't critters. mtmuley

Without a doubt. Hoping one of my buddie's in BC whacks a moose or an elk soon. He is running the 150 ABLR's out of his 280 Rem at around 3030FPS. I figure the terminal results from the 280 should be pretty close, but to be honest, they are still tougher than most plain jane cup and core bullets, so I am betting they are going to go deep enough on most large game. Plus, they will still have the energy for the longer shots to expand and still penetrate. I know they aren't a miracle bullet, but they aren't weaklings either.

I pieced together a faux Ti in 270 win the other day and tried the 150 AB LR's over 7828 and h4831sc. It didn't like either load at all, maybe 3 moa. I still have to think that 6.5's and 7's dominate over 270's for long range. One high BC bullet is a good start for 270's but if your gun doesn't like it.....

I also tried the 7mm 150's in my Montana 7wsm. They clocked 3220 fps over 7828 and shot about 1.5" which is about average for this rifle. I might play with seating depths and charge weights a bit and see if I can dial it in a bit.

Bb

If somebody wants to try a few I could part out a box and send some for 60 cents each plus shipping if you post your results after testing them. I don't have the time right now to work em up and test them like I want to. I have 7mm 168's and 150's and 270 150's.

Bb

Send them here BB...

I'll try them in the 7-08...

Send me a PM...

I'd like to try some of those .277 150 grain AB/LR. Say 20 or 30?

c/22

Finally got out and was able to shoot at longer range. I was using the published bc and fired this 3 shot 5" group at 700 yards. About 1/2moa low. Using a G7 bc of .295 puts my drops exact. I am going to retest soon and also recheck my zero.Less than 2" vertical.

Very nice. Looks pretty danged good.

Thanks man. I was surprised when I got to the target and very pleased with the vertical.

Tweaking that what did the true range bc come to looks to be very close to published 1/2 moa is close to with in the g1 air ratio

G7 BC was right at. 300 but I want to reconfirm zero and test a bit more.