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Mack Brothers Titanium EVO SA
Proof CF 22” .264 1:8 Sendero Light
Manners EH2
SOL M5 DBM
TT 700 Special
Precision Armament M11 Brake
APA 34mm .856 Rings
Steiner MX7i 4-28x56mm MSRII*
Modular Evolution bipod

My friend Scott Weichel of Live Oak Accuracy did the build. Many thanks to F3 at FIST Industries for supplying the stock in double time!

*Will swap in a Nightforce NX8 2.5-20x50 Mil-C (C623), as soon as I can get my hands on one.

Starting load development with Starline SRP brass, H4350, 147 ELDM, and REM 7 1/2 primers. I might give WIN 780 Supreme, RL26, MRP, and H1000 a try too. I’m not sure if I need SRP Mag primers for the slower powders.


Nice rig! Good choice in projectile too. wink
I like that, kingston.
Great rig. Been using CCI450 in my Creedmoor and Lapuas with good success.
Dandy Brian!!!
I really like the looks of that rig kingston. Very nice. Very anxious to see how load development goes with the Starline brass and those 147's. I really like the way they fly out here in breezy West Texas. Good luck, keep us posted if you don't mind.
That is absolutely....errr, I like it.
Sweet rig....

Ditch the SRP brass.... you’ll thank me.
Nice rig!

Can't go wrong with a Creed' and a Flatty....grin
I like your stock choice a lot too. I'm still a fan of the McMillan HTG, and I believe your is almost the same but with a higher comb. Very nice.
A Steiner AND srp brass?

You’ll make the Fires heads ‘splode!!!

Very nice set up man.
Thoughts on Mack Bros Evo after you’ve run it a bit please.
Very nice.
Good thing you got that big 'ol break to tame that beast.
Super nice rig.

I imagine load develop will be a breeze. You didn't mention its final build weight, though. With all those lightweight components such as the titanium action and the PR barrel, looks like you had a certain application in mind. A lightweight sheep/deer rifle maybe? Looks like the stock is fiberglass, not carbon fiber, but I can't tell for sure from the pic. If it is fiberglass, rather than carbon, I'm curious why you went that route, schedule maybe?

Also, what trigger did you install?

Again, it's a sweet rifle, and we're all anxious to hear how she performs at the range and in the field.

And, oh yeah; the beard, skinny jeans and toothy grin suit you well.
Weichel jumped my build again...Grrrr!

Great looking rig...Enjoy 😎
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Weichel jumped my build again...Grrrr!

Great looking rig...Enjoy 😎



You don’t answer your phone. Your stock showed up today and things are moving along.
Kingston I can’t thank you enough as my Evo is getting gap and mailed soon.

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Scott is amazing
Flat brimming? Flat brimmed ball caps were the norm until farmers stared bending them to fit the contour of a their mailboxes, looking for those government checks.
Originally Posted by Higbean
Thoughts on Mack Bros Evo after you’ve run it a bit please.


+1.
Originally Posted by viking
Flat brimming? Flat brimmed ball caps were the norm until farmers stared bending them to fit the contour of a their mailboxes, looking for those government checks.

smile


Nice rifle Kingston !

Fred III I love that Americana paint job ..
Nice rifle Kingston. I love my low buck redneck R700 short barrels version of it.
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Originally Posted by viking
Flat brimming? Flat brimmed ball caps were the norm until farmers stared bending them to fit the contour of a their mailboxes, looking for those government checks.

smile


Nice rifle Kingston !

Fred III I love that Americana paint job ..

Turned out better than I thought.

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Kingston I’m getting closer Should be here by the end of next week.
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How did the match go you get to the prize table??
Thanks everyone for your compliments. I more than a little pleased with how this turned out.


Hig,

The Evo is fantastic. The bolt cycles slick and has fed flawlessly. Fearing the world would discover them and they’d be impossible to get without a crazy wait, I ordered four actions after seeing them at SHOT. They’re well designed, finely made, and a relative bargain. I thought about offering you one, but then Fred and Beaver talked me out of two... :-j


LJB,

I used a Trigger Tech 700 Special. I’m running them and the TT Diamond in almost everything. The stock was actually supposed to be a EH2 (carbon fiber by designation) with molded in color, but this is what showed up from Manners. The bbl inlet was also wrong. In an effort to keep things moving, We just moved forward. The rifle balances perfectly and shoots lights out.

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Kimber7man,

See above.



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Spoiler Alert.....

The rifle’s a *$4cking tack driver! It handles really well, fits really well. I love the EH2 with the 22” Proof Sendero Light— the balance is perfect. The EVO action is super slick and has feed perfectly. It’s probably my favorite rifle.

The rifle showed up Tuesday afternoon. I got a scope mounted and built some loads to find pressure. Over the next three days, really two—Thursday was a washout, I continued load development, running several 400 yrd ladder tests. Ultimately, I settled on a 46.4 gr RL26, 147 ELDM’s seated .045 off the lands in Starline SRP brass with BR4 primers. The load was doing 2783fps out of a new bbl. I’m at about 155 rounds to date.

SL brass was sorted first by length and then by weight. Necks were graphited and run over a carbide mandrel, mouths were chamfered inside and outside and flash holes were deburred.

Yesterday, I shot a PRS match with this little beauty. Of the 48 shooters, I was the only one shooting a lightweight titanium and carbon fiber rifle. The other 47 entrants wielded rifles weighing two and three times more. I think they thought I was a little nuts. By the end of the day, I’d registered a first round cold bore hit at 975 and finished as one of only two shooters who’d shot a perfect stage. The stage I aced was 12 shots in 90 seconds from prone: three at 314, three at 326, 3 at 348 and 3 at 502. Steel 45% IPSC targets were arranged to the left and right of a cut ascending up a hillside. Wind was gusting rightish to leftish 7-18mph.


Congrats Brian - great shooting
Nightforce (C623 )NX8 2.5-20x50mm MIL-C en route!
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Nightforce (C623 )NX8 2.5-20x50mm MIL-C en route!




Will be interested to hear your opinion on that reticle.
I shoot the MSR2 in the MX7i and K525i. I’m a big fan of the floating center dot. NF’s center dot is a little heavy at .05mil, but I think I’ll like the 2/10 graduations on both windage and elevation. When measuring a target with the MSR2, I’m often forced to use the inverted miling L in the lower left quadrant. It would be much simpler to just use the main reticle. NF’s layout of alternate groupings of 2/10, 8/10 and 4/10, 6/10 hash marks should be pretty quick and intuitive.
I can’t STAND the floating dot!

Wish they’d just dupe an MQ as I have no trouble spliting into 5ths.
Outstanding setup you've got there!
Nightforce NX8 C623 in hand—these are gonna sell like hot cakes! Review next week.
Looking forward to it ese.
you do have a nice rifle but i have a question i don`t think my Creedmoor has much recoil why did you put a noisy brake on your rifle ? plus where i shoot FTR class they are not aloud or legal either in Minnesota for FTR competition .
He's free to do what he wants. He don't have to be 'aloud', like in Nazi Minnesota. And he don't have to answer inane questions from the peanut gallery.
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you do have a nice rifle but i have a question i don`t think my Creedmoor has much recoil why did you put a noisy brake on your rifle ? plus where i shoot FTR class they are not aloud or legal either in Minnesota for FTR competition .

Originally Posted by huntsman22
He's free to do what he wants. He don't have to be 'aloud', like in Nazi Minnesota. And he don't have to answer inane questions from the peanut gallery.


I’m going back to bed! I agree with hunts 💯%.
King wants to watch his bullets hit at all ranges.
Peter you crack me up.
Originally Posted by huntsman22
He's free to do what he wants. He don't have to be 'aloud', like in Nazi Minnesota. And he don't have to answer inane questions from the peanut gallery.


Better watch out Don, he'll tell you how much of a badass he was 30 years ago, then challenge you to a bar brawl...
30 years ago I could hold my own.....
Hey Kingston what is the total weight of that rig , minus scope?

Also could you post a pic of skinny jeans and flat brim hat? smile

And I like that you are allowed the loudner aloud...... smile good thing you aren't in Minnesoda.....

And Scenar, internet brawl's is the new norm.... we have to get used to it....;)
I don’t know fellas, but the fire is sure burning clean since there hasn’t been a green twig smoking it up.
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Hey Kingston what is the total weight of that rig , minus scope?


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Call it 9lb 2oz + magazine

I shot this rifle at the New England PRS Pro Series 2 Day Match this past weekend. I had an issue with the stock so swapped a McMillian A5 Thumbhole for the match. I’m also shooting Live Oak Accuracy’s brake rather than the M11. LOA’s brake does a particularly good job mitigating muzzle rise.

Shooting a lightweight rifle in PRS puts one at a major disadvantage. When you can’t reliably spot your hits (hit or miss) you forfeit a principle feedback data stream. With this particular rifle, clear observation of impacts at ranges inside approximately 600yrds. is compromised by recoil—even with the scope set at 12-16x. This coupled with the fact that many PRS stages in the 300-600yrd. range require positions other than prone and/or complex shot\target string sequences.

I’m at the greatest advantage when shooting from prone at relatively unobscured targets. Targets that are easy to find in the scope after recoil. Similarly, stages with targets at ranges in excess of 800yrds. and the accompanying extended time of bullet flight, also present significantly increased opportunities for viewing impacts through the scope. The wind is the biggest variable. If you can’t see where you’re hitting, you’re shooting half blind.

For reference, the McMillan weighs 1lb 5oz more than the EH2.

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Originally Posted by huntsman22
30 years ago I could hold my own.....


Not me I was 10 but I’m no slouch as I stand. 😉.

Scenar what powder charge of H1000 was the Atip getting in your 6.5 saum
Mine doesn’t seem to like them as much as 143eldx’s but it’s getting in the .5”’s
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by irfubar
Hey Kingston what is the total weight of that rig , minus scope?


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Call it 9lb 2oz + magazine

I shot this rifle at the New England PRS Pro Series 2 Day Match this past weekend. I had an issue with the stock so swapped a McMillian A5 Thumbhole for the match. I’m also shooting Live Oak Accuracy’s brake rather than the M11. LOA’s brake does a particularly good job mitigating muzzle rise.

Shooting a lightweight rifle in PRS puts one at a major disadvantage. When you can’t reliably spot your hits (hit or miss) you forfeit a principle feedback data stream. With this particular rifle, clear observation of impacts at ranges inside approximately 600yrds. is compromised by recoil—even with the scope set at 12-16x. This coupled with the fact that many PRS stages in the 300-600yrd. range require positions other than prone and/or complex shot\target string sequences.

I’m at the greatest advantage when shooting from prone at relatively unobscured targets. Targets that are easy to find in the scope after recoil. Similarly, stages with targets at ranges in excess of 800yrds. and the accompanying extended time of bullet flight, also present significantly increased opportunities for viewing impacts through the scope. The wind is the biggest variable. If you can’t see where you’re hitting, you’re shooting half blind.

For reference, the McMillan weighs 1lb 5oz more than the EH2.

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Give the NX8 review already!!
Glad manners is standing behind the stock.
I also started using Thunder Beast’s new bipod with spiked feet. So far I’m mucho happy. Leg extension is overwhelmingly mechanically positive. Flipping down the legs doesn’t require depressing a button, yet legs stay up when you want them to. The tilt lock/tensioning mechanism works as advertised—set and forget, unless you jamb the lever into something when getting into position. My only real bitch is that it doesn’t come with spiked feet, they’re another $50...

I’m still hot on the idea of the Cyke Bipod, but refuse to pay full price for one. That said, I reluctantly paid full price for the TBAC Bipod and in the end I don’t regret it in the least.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/bipod
Those spiked feet would be hell on paint I’m sticking to rubber as my hood is very polished. 😂
Originally Posted by fredIII

Give the NX8 review already!!
Glad manners is standing behind the stock.


Tom Manners called me personally to address the stock. He and I have both been traveling, but Tom was anxious to assure me that he’d get it sorted.

I got the NX8 mounted this afternoon. It’s really bright and really crisp. Parallax ranges from 11yrds to infinity. With such a wide range of parallax, depth of focus is rather shallow. I need to spend some time behind it with a notebook before I can comment meaningfully. Eye relief also appears to be somewhat critical. It’s certainly svelte and compact and when adjusted properly, the NX8 delivers a smashing view.

TBC...
WTF happened to the stock?
The forend walked to the right toward the tip resulting in the barrel rubbing on the left side of the barrel channel. I first noticed this when temps got up to near 100°F while woodchuck hunting at the farm, then at a match the following week, it persisted. The forend does not come back when cooled.

Apparently with a barrel channel inlet as large as this (Proof Light Sendero), the stock should have been made in carbon fiber and/or had the barrel channel lined with carbon fiber.
Thanks Kingston, I really like that blueprint. That would make a fine hunting rifle. I am thinkin and plannin... scary I know..... but I came up with a similar blueprint in my mind, was thinkin of a 17" barrel and a lightweight suppressor. With a NXS 2,5-10 it would be a handy package.
Originally Posted by fredIII
Originally Posted by huntsman22
30 years ago I could hold my own.....


Not me I was 10 but I’m no slouch as I stand. 😉.

Scenar what powder charge of H1000 was the Atip getting in your 6.5 saum
Mine doesn’t seem to like them as much as 143eldx’s but it’s getting in the .5”’s


That load is actually IMR 7977.(61.2)
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
Originally Posted by fredIII
Originally Posted by huntsman22
30 years ago I could hold my own.....


Not me I was 10 but I’m no slouch as I stand. 😉.

Scenar what powder charge of H1000 was the Atip getting in your 6.5 saum
Mine doesn’t seem to like them as much as 143eldx’s but it’s getting in the .5”’s


That load is actually IMR 7977.(61.2)



🙏.
Originally Posted by huntsman22
30 years ago I could hold my own.....


Hell, we all could. Now I just want to hold my beer.....
Here’s a few NX8 pics. I had the 6-screw NF rings in stock. The regular 4-screw rings might have looked better. It’s got the Hawkins M5 pattern DBM installed.
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Originally Posted by kingston
Here’s a few NX8 pics. I had the 6-screw NF rings in stock. The regular 4-screw rings might have looked better. It’s got the Hawkins M5 pattern DBM installed.
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That’s a sexy MF’er! King.
Do you think the brake is going to handle all the recoil from that beast?
I see one of these shirts in your future....😎

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156 showed up today.
Start at 55 grains of RL26.

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Thanks again king. I’m gonna need Mac bros once I figure out what to build. Snagged another seekings gen1 bottom for the manners stock momma said keep it and pay up lol. Got a weird call to make Monday morning. Kinda thinking a 243ai with a 7t proof lite but still debating.

NEW loading Pard is happy.

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Originally Posted by kingston
Here’s a few NX8 pics. I had the 6-screw NF rings in stock. The regular 4-screw rings might have looked better. It’s got the Hawkins M5 pattern DBM installed.
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Wow, that's super nice!


I even ordered a new camouflage shirt for the antelope hunt next month. 🤙🤙🤙
Pics will be awesome.


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If I ever get a Big sheep tag I’m going with the orange version.
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156 EOL .005 Jump VS. 147 ELDM .065 Jump
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156 EOL .005 Jump VS. 147 ELDM .065 Jump



What magic tool did you use to measure them. LOL.
I trust the eol on meat way more than the eldm.

Did you get a gizmo with the creed.
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