I just read elsewhere that Bill Wilson may be purchasing NULA. Apparently "from a reliable source". Anyone hear or know anything about this? Given that Melvin is likely going soon to retire sooner than later I believe Bill would be a good guy to run it.
Friend, you are very wrong. Bill Wilson is a Arkansas fellow, ( that lives on his ranch in Texas alot ) that builds some of the finest firearms made. Built his reputation on shooting 1911's and then got in the business of making custom's. His shop, it's big, is in NW AR. He does alot of weapon platforms, AR's, pistolas, etc. for DOD, and other 3 letter folks..... I'm privileged to know several workers there, been through the shop, etc................. My dept. was the first LE dept. to carry the company's LE AR15's. I wish they would give tours to the public because alot of folks on The Fire would love to see how the elite military weapons are made. Also, many parts for other higher end firearm companies are being produced. They have a problem finding enough workers because background checks prohibit any felons. The class III stuff prohibits that. Lots of meth, etc in the area ( as well as in many parts of the country ). Company name is Wilson Combat.
Friend, you are very wrong. Bill Wilson is a Arkansas fellow, ( that lives on his ranch in Texas alot ) that builds some of the finest firearms made. Built his reputation on shooting 1911's and then got in the business of making custom's. His shop, it's big, is in NW AR. He does alot of weapon platforms, AR's, pistolas, etc. for DOD, and other 3 letter folks..... I'm privileged to know several workers there, been through the shop, etc................. My dept. was the first LE dept. to carry the company's LE AR15's. I wish they would give tours to the public because alot of folks on The Fire would love to see how the elite military weapons are made. Also, many parts for other higher end firearm companies are being produced. They have a problem finding enough workers because background checks prohibit any felons. The class III stuff prohibits that. Lots of meth, etc in the area ( as well as in many parts of the country ). Company name is Wilson Combat.
I hope Bill Wilson is able to purchase the business and the 3rd time sell is the charm! I'm a very big Melvin Forbes fan and Bill Wilson would be able to take NULA to the next level. Fieldcraft who????? LOL. Alot of the competition have caught up somewhat with Melvins ideas, etc. but quality is such a major key, ie Colt Light and Forbes. Mr. Forbes is the TRUE PIONEER of the very accurate ultra light rifles! Again, I hope it happens.
I have no doubt Wilson Combat 1911’s are fine firearms, I’ve shot a couple of them, but I would by an Ed Brown every time over them, and likely save a nice chunk of change in doing so. Heck, last I looked, a guy could by two of the phenomenal Dan Wesson Valors and still have cash left compared to a Wilson. My point is that everything I’ve seen with the Wilson combat name is overpriced, significantly. I’m an Arkansas guy, and like to see Arkansas companies, brands and people succeed, but if Wilson buys NULA, I expect prices to go up significantly.
I have no doubt Wilson Combat 1911’s are fine firearms, I’ve shot a couple of them, but I would by an Ed Brown every time over them, and likely save a nice chunk of change in doing so. Heck, last I looked, a guy could by two of the phenomenal Dan Wesson Valors and still have cash left compared to a Wilson. My point is that everything I’ve seen with the Wilson combat name is overpriced, significantly. I’m an Arkansas guy, and like to see Arkansas companies, brands and people succeed, but if Wilson buys NULA, I expect prices to go up significantly.
A significantly more man-hours of labor go into a Wilson Combat than a Dan Wesson.
I have no doubt Wilson Combat 1911’s are fine firearms, I’ve shot a couple of them, but I would by an Ed Brown every time over them, and likely save a nice chunk of change in doing so. Heck, last I looked, a guy could by two of the phenomenal Dan Wesson Valors and still have cash left compared to a Wilson. My point is that everything I’ve seen with the Wilson combat name is overpriced, significantly. I’m an Arkansas guy, and like to see Arkansas companies, brands and people succeed, but if Wilson buys NULA, I expect prices to go up significantly.
A significantly more man-hours of labor go into a Wilson Combat than a Dan Wesson.
I've had both, both are fine weapons.
2 Wilson's remain, the DWs were sent to new homes.
I have no doubt Wilson Combat 1911’s are fine firearms, I’ve shot a couple of them, but I would by an Ed Brown every time over them, and likely save a nice chunk of change in doing so. Heck, last I looked, a guy could by two of the phenomenal Dan Wesson Valors and still have cash left compared to a Wilson. My point is that everything I’ve seen with the Wilson combat name is overpriced, significantly. I’m an Arkansas guy, and like to see Arkansas companies, brands and people succeed, but if Wilson buys NULA, I expect prices to go up significantly.
A significantly more man-hours of labor go into a Wilson Combat than a Dan Wesson.
No doubt that’s true but at what point do you reach the point of diminishing returns? If 2 pistols shoot and perform equally well then what does one get for the additional man hours and astronomical price? I’m not knocking Wilson or any semi custom makers….. I’ve owned and sold several, I just never saw the $2000-3000 more as being worth it.imho
Some appreciate the difference in fine rifles and pistols. Most get them to tell their friends. Same ones who buy products to go in their beards and pay someone to groom them.
seems odd melvin would tell me to send my rifle in for a re barrel and we talked about the issues and pricing increases he is dealing with if the company was sold and this was yesterday
seems odd melvin would tell me to send my rifle in for a re barrel and we talked about the issues and pricing increases he is dealing with if the company was sold and this was yesterday
Maybe the deal was just struck and it won't close for a few months.....plenty of due diligence to be done.
well we would be a month into the buy out and it would seem machines would be in shipment I would think to their new location not to mention crucibel steel got sold and douglas doesnt know when they will be getting stainless in for a barrel and that is what i want but melvin said send it and he is ordering other things to make guns....just seems odd but its not my business so i can only speculate
Nothing was mentioned to me when I sent my gun in last month to Melvin. It will be a couple months turnaround because of the rebarrel job. He must be in business still that long at least. I was hoping to get a second one done, might not be enough time I guess.
Melvin does the rebarreling/conversions himself outside of NULA. That’s why you make the check out to him directly. I’m speculating but doubt Wilson will make the rifles using Melvins equipment and instead use cnc machines so Melvin can still continue to do work on NULAs.
They have a problem finding enough workers because background checks prohibit any felons. The class III stuff prohibits that.RH
I am looking forward to retiring soon as I get my medical condition taken care of, wonder what the pay rate and vacation schedule is like. I could relocate for the right gig, although the GF probably wouldn't like it.
I have no doubt Wilson Combat 1911’s are fine firearms, I’ve shot a couple of them, but I would by an Ed Brown every time over them, and likely save a nice chunk of change in doing so.
You do know Ed Brown's 1911s are every bit as expensive and reliable/accurate as the WC 1911s right?
Surely you would at least go to Brown's website and verify the utter BS you are spewing.
I have a Wilson CQB Compact that I have had for years, back when they were sub $2500 it was gifted to me by my uncle before he passed, I have owned full size Wilson, Baer and Brown, and sadly let them go for trivial unjustified reasons related to either weight or size.
To try and put DW or any other mass produced 1911 up against any of the top shelf 1911 builders is ludicrous at best, but I would put DW and S&W 1911s up there above a myriad of other options.
FTR, I wouldn't put Kimber in the same basket as a Philippines made RIA, I have had a dozen of those over priced and unreliable turds and was disappointed every damn time.
I like all the secrecy and 'ask me how I know', 'not at liberty to say', and 'cant reveal the real deal' stuff. Do you guys have a secret skwirl society, complete with handshake? Maybe a cool clubhouse? Is Darla involved?....
OK, here's what I know, from a 2-hour conversation with Melvin a few days ago. Am getting weary of hearing different stuff--which will all be public soon anyway.
Bill Wilson has basically purchased NULA. The rifle production will be moved to his factory in Arkansas. For those wo don't know Wilson Combat, they make very high-quality 1911 Colt-based handguns, AR rifles, and (more recently) pump shotguns. Have shot their handguns and ARs considerably, but not the shotguns.
Bill was already thinking of adding a bolt-action rifle to the line-up, and when Melvin decided to semi-retire made a deal to produce NULAs in his Arkansas plant, which has CNC machinery. He'll be able to produce them quicker, and very well. Melvin has already sent the mechanical drawings to Bill.
The NULA back-up service will remain in West Virginia. This includes any modification of existing NULA rifles, or upgrades in Colt Light or Forbes Rifles. Melvin said they usually have about a dozen Colt Light Rifles on hand for upgrades.
Nah hopefully they keep it 4, with Talley lw’s. For folks that actually “hunt” and don’t wander around black bears ascairt throwing their rifles around like stupid cuunts… 👊🏻
Your bitch/whine hasn’t happened yet. No one is interested in a trout rifle, except you.
Now is when you really spill your guts and brag about “Pards” shootin train cars at 1400 with the fixed 6 big stick dumbfuuck imagination and pretend!!! Haha 😂😂
You could always start a Thread,if/when you "saw" your FIRST one. Hint.
Slow day,only one new rifle and one new scope(thus far)...though more than a "bit" of Mail remains. You be sure to stay tuned,Whine aloud and relish in your Brokedicktitude,despite it being your only "move". Hint.
Do NOT "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint.
Keep up, lil Kim I’m sure has her ass up in the air, and the fat tongued window licker is shiitin himself in your lap, while you dream up your next escapade…. 😂😂
Nah hopefully they keep it 4, with Talley lw’s. For folks that actually “hunt” and don’t wander around black bears ascairt throwing their rifles around like stupid cuunts… 👊🏻
Jud-
Being D&T’d with 5 holes won’t negate the use of talleys, if that’s going to be a deal breaker for you.
Not a rumor!!! Wilson Combat purchased NULA in early April and is being moved to Arkansas, Don't ask me how I know!
thats bs, and i know for a fact otherwise but am not at liberty to speak details
We will see about the 27th of May at the NRA Convention.
The event time table has been changed. Now scheduled to happen this coming Monday.
these time tables are comical and are both news to Melvin. its amazing how your in the loop with your finger on the pulse of the deal and one of the parties involved in the deal is oblivious to them.
OK, here's what I know, from a 2-hour conversation with Melvin a few days ago. Am getting weary of hearing different stuff--which will all be public soon anyway.
Bill Wilson has basically purchased NULA. The rifle production will be moved to his factory in Arkansas. For those wo don't know Wilson Combat, they make very high-quality 1911 Colt-based handguns, AR rifles, and (more recently) pump shotguns. Have shot their handguns and ARs considerably, but not the shotguns.
Bill was already thinking of adding a bolt-action rifle to the line-up, and when Melvin decided to semi-retire made a deal to produce NULAs in his Arkansas plant, which has CNC machinery. He'll be able to produce them quicker, and very well. Melvin has already sent the mechanical drawings to Bill.
The NULA back-up service will remain in West Virginia. This includes any modification of existing NULA rifles, or upgrades in Colt Light or Forbes Rifles. Melvin said they usually have about a dozen Colt Light Rifles on hand for upgrades.
Rather surprised it took Bill so long to get around building bolt action rifles. He has had accomplished builder(s) employed for a good while there. I look forward to seeing the finished product from WC.
OK, here's what I know, from a 2-hour conversation with Melvin a few days ago. Am getting weary of hearing different stuff--which will all be public soon anyway.
Bill Wilson has basically purchased NULA. The rifle production will be moved to his factory in Arkansas. For those wo don't know Wilson Combat, they make very high-quality 1911 Colt-based handguns, AR rifles, and (more recently) pump shotguns. Have shot their handguns and ARs considerably, but not the shotguns.
Bill was already thinking of adding a bolt-action rifle to the line-up, and when Melvin decided to semi-retire made a deal to produce NULAs in his Arkansas plant, which has CNC machinery. He'll be able to produce them quicker, and very well. Melvin has already sent the mechanical drawings to Bill.
The NULA back-up service will remain in West Virginia. This includes any modification of existing NULA rifles, or upgrades in Colt Light or Forbes Rifles. Melvin said they usually have about a dozen Colt Light Rifles on hand for upgrades.
Mule Deer, You have it correct. Official news was to be released at the NRA Convention in Houston about the 27th but that has been changed.
yes mule deer is correct and Melvin also was sending a rifle with the blueprints. as of yesterday nobody told Melvin of the may 27 date, or any announcement date.
Due to our recent purchase of the New Ultralight Arms (NULA) assets there will be a super lightweight high quality 300 HAM'R built on a mini action this fall available from Wilson Combat.
Fhuqk ALL the "proprietary" Goat Fhuqk Bullschit and simply offer a 7" RPM 223 with 2.600" COAL and i'll happily take mine with (5) 8x40's in the roof. Hint.
Then go 224and 243 Grendel,both in 7" RPM. Hint.................
Fhuqk ALL the "proprietary" Goat Fhuqk Bullschit and simply offer a 7" RPM 223 with 2.600" COAL and i'll happily take mine with (5) 8x40's in the roof. Hint.
Then go 224and 243 Grendel,both in 7" RPM. Hint.................
Big time +1 on the 223. Would be the best thing going if it's run as a production model.
The 224 & 243, though very interesting rounds, are a bit "proprietary" for me....6.5 Grendel all the way before those two if it's production.
5x on the screws would be a plus regardless if someone goes rail or just rings. Extra connection on one and extra spacing on the other.
Would love to see the action stainless but can live with CM on it...if I have to. For me, I can't desire the barrel to be anything besides stainless.
Due to our recent purchase of the New Ultralight Arms (NULA) assets there will be a super lightweight high quality 300 HAM'R built on a mini action this fall available from Wilson Combat.
Is this enough proof for the non-believers? The information came from THE TEXAS HUNTING FORUM.
your trying to hard to be relevant bud, its already been established that the deal is in the works, im sure its in lawyers hands at the moment, but the early april purchase date was bogus, it wasn't offered until late April and agreed upon in may. the may 27 purchase notification press release date is bogus, it was never discussed with melvin and still hasn't been as of Thursday, no money has changed hands. its funny how people spew bs to be relevant. ive heard it from one of the horses mouths and he is laughing at this thread and the nonsense people outside the loop are saying.
Due to our recent purchase of the New Ultralight Arms (NULA) assets there will be a super lightweight high quality 300 HAM'R built on a mini action this fall available from Wilson Combat.
Is this enough proof for the non-believers? The information came from THE TEXAS HUNTING FORUM.
your trying to hard to be relevant bud, its already been established that the deal is in the works, im sure its in lawyers hands at the moment, but the early april purchase date was bogus, it wasn't offered until late April and agreed upon in may. the may 27 purchase notification press release date is bogus, it was never discussed with melvin and still hasn't been as of Thursday, no money has changed hands. its funny how people spew bs to be relevant. ive heard it from one of the horses mouths and he is laughing at this thread and the nonsense people outside the loop are saying.
ilikeguns, would you care to call or email Mr. Wilson? I can give you his number and his email.
what for? will he be able to verify your relevance in the conversation? the facts are out there now. bill Wilson bought nula we know that. i don't need "the texas hunting forum" you speak of to get my info or a link to wilsons website with no info about nula in it. i personally know Melvin, i know what's happening, and the statement is now up on nulas website. not may 27 as you predicted, not Monday as you predicted. don't spread misinformation your as bad as cnn
Due to our recent purchase of the New Ultralight Arms (NULA) assets there will be a super lightweight high quality 300 HAM'R built on a mini action this fall available from Wilson Combat.
Is this enough proof for the non-believers? The information came from THE TEXAS HUNTING FORUM.
your trying to hard to be relevant bud, its already been established that the deal is in the works, im sure its in lawyers hands at the moment, but the early april purchase date was bogus, it wasn't offered until late April and agreed upon in may. the may 27 purchase notification press release date is bogus, it was never discussed with melvin and still hasn't been as of Thursday, no money has changed hands. its funny how people spew bs to be relevant. ive heard it from one of the horses mouths and he is laughing at this thread and the nonsense people outside the loop are saying.
ilikeguns, I'm not sure where you "think" you are getting accurate information, but you are not!!!
My wife and I spent a VERY enjoyable day and evening meal with Melvin and Patty on Apr 20 and pretty much agreed on a deal, then the following Mon we came to an agreement over the PH.
A asset purchase agreement was signed and money has changed hands. Melvin has sent us sample parts, prints, various IP and has been great to work with helping us rapidly move forward on this project. The website has been turned over to us and has substantial edits including a nice quote on the home pg from Melvin and WC is now listed as the contact.
WC employees will be in WV receiving training from Melvin and his team within the next couple of weeks. We are trying to fast track this project so we have fill a substantial number of orders Melvin turned over to us and get the product into the marketplace. Melvin and team are completing all the guns they had in process at the time of the purchase. Also Melvin's team will continue to service the Colt and Forbes rifles.
Congratulations on the purchase and best of luck moving forward.
Will you be offering a full stainless version once the transition is completed?
Not initially, we're going to focus on the M20S and M20 built to Melvin's spec in the calibers listed on the website first, then add the M24, etc.. However a SS version is something I'd really like to eventually do since the team in our machine shops love cutting stainless.
Not initially, we're going to focus on the M20S and M20 built to Melvin's spec in the calibers listed on the website first, then add the M24, etc.. However a SS version is something I'd really like to eventually do since the team in our machine shops love cutting stainless.
What version will you offer in 300 Ham'r? You mentioned a mini action?
Not initially, we're going to focus on the M20S and M20 built to Melvin's spec in the calibers listed on the website first, then add the M24, etc.. However a SS version is something I'd really like to eventually do since the team in our machine shops love cutting stainless.
What version will you offer in 300 Ham'r? You mentioned a mini action?
I am excited to get one of those
Edit: Saw the 20 Short
Same 20S Melvin has been building will be available in .223 Wylde, 300 HAM'R and .350 Legend. If the 6mm ARC truly takes off and there is ever ammo available we'll probably add it too
It is always GREAT news,when someone who actually fhuqking shoots and understands same,gets to hold the reigns. Colt likes to Hilariously prove same,if only on accident and to their great chagrin. Hint.
The 6 ARC abounds,with ammo literally falling offa shelves and I've yet to see a box of HAM'R or Legend ammo upon same. If you can divulge,what do you factor '20 Short COAL confines to be? It'll be best in ARC and BR,by miles. Hint.
My fingers are crossed for the advent of same,wearing a S/S receiver,as they will simply fly off the fhuqking shelf. Here's hoping the transition is fluid and fast,if only for my selfish reasons to obtain multiples same...............
It is always GREAT news,when someone who actually fhuqking shoots and understands same,gets to hold the reigns. Colt likes to Hilariously prove same,if only on accident and to their great chagrin. Hint.
The 6 ARC abounds,with ammo literally falling offa shelves and I've yet to see a box of HAM'R or Legend ammo upon same. If you can divulge,what do you factor '20 Short COAL confines to be? It'll be best in ARC and BR,by miles. Hint.
My fingers are crossed for the advent of same,wearing a S/S receiver,as they will simply fly off the fhuqking shelf. Here's hoping the transition is fluid and fast,if only for my selfish reasons to obtain multiples same...............
If you are wondering about the rumors you may have heard. Here is the story. Yes Melvin has sold New Ultra Light Arms to Bill Wilson at Wilson Combat. If you are worried about not being able to get your rifles serviced don’t worry I am going to be taking over that part out of the same building that we were in. Under a different name of course.
Former 20 Short COAL was 2.500",which will work for some folks in 223,even in Wylde. Given the advent in projectiles,I want a shorter case,which allows greater projectile length and that negates same from the race. Hint.
Going Grendel or BR,simply kicks windows of opportunity open and that COAL will happily feed them all. BR here,with .224" Beer Can and .243" Sugar 110 SMK,if only for conversation,at said COAL. Hint.
Keeping ogives at neck/shoulder juncture,paints a rather purty picture(assuming throat geometry is sound) and a 7BR would be Skookum. Hint.
Congratulations on the purchase and best of luck moving forward.
Will you be offering a full stainless version once the transition is completed?
Not initially, we're going to focus on the M20S and M20 built to Melvin's spec in the calibers listed on the website first, then add the M24, etc.. However a SS version is something I'd really like to eventually do since the team in our machine shops love cutting stainless.
Bill, Thank you for the reply. SS would motivate quite a few up here and elsewhere I’d imagine. Best of luck with the new endeavor.
I emailed Tressa about my willingness to donate some time in testing a prototype 6mm ARC bolt gun.
She’s an enabler that way.
Although I get the feeling testers for your rifles are either in-house, or lined up pretty deep.
In any case, count me in for a 6mm ARC bolt gun when you start down that road.
The 6mm ARC I built with WC parts into a hunting AR for my wife is a better shooter than either of us.
I can see a 300 HAMR bolt gun if done with a 16-1/4” threaded barrel with a shoulder to land a suppressor.
That would be pretty handy.
I came to WC late in life, but am addicted now.
David
Originally Posted by BWilson
Same 20S Melvin has been building will be available in .223 Wylde, 300 HAM'R and .350 Legend. If the 6mm ARC truly takes off and there is ever ammo available we'll probably add it too
I've only been around halfa dozen or so Mel Rimfires and they are fhuqking dismal in feed/function/deformation. Hint.
Flipside. Hint.
Though in fairness,I've only (4) Vudoo's which are fhuqking flawless and a Dozen plus Annie 54's,which also pale in feed/function. Hint...................
Pass the S/S RAR in a Boyd's(though they now come in Rutlidge),in the parcel expressly designed for Ruger rotary mags,by them who designed same. Hint..................(grin)
Will the pricing be similar, higher or lower...or is it too early to say at this stage?
For now we've left retail the same. We will sell through dist/dealer/retail so street price will probably be less. That said, we hope to be able to lower the retail once we know our costs. We will be mfg the actions and barrels in much larger qty than Melvin has in the past on high efficiency CNC/EDM machines so this should lower costs.
If you are wondering about the rumors you may have heard. Here is the story. Yes Melvin has sold New Ultra Light Arms to Bill Wilson at Wilson Combat. If you are worried about not being able to get your rifles serviced don’t worry I am going to be taking over that part out of the same building that we were in. Under a different name of course.
Bill thanks for answering my questions. After you have been producing these rifles for a little while, besides the option of a stainless steel action (even though I prefer a chrome-moly action and stainless barrel) another option may be a hinged floor-plate design. Although this would add a few ounces, the rifles would still be extremely light. But as I said, only as an option to the blind internal magazine. Thank you.
Dood, I just sent an order in for a Nula about 4 weeks back-wonder what this is going to do to my order?
All current orders have been turned over to WC to fill with the exception of 11 or so guns that Melvin already had in process at the time of the sale.
Mr. Wilson how much are you geusstimating a base line mod 20 in .308 will cost once you get up and running efficently production wise. Prices on them I have surfed on the web are outrageous right now honestly.
I think a "Campfire Special" build and group order would be a great way to kick things off! Especially when the stainless actions are ready for production!
Dood, I just sent an order in for a Nula about 4 weeks back-wonder what this is going to do to my order?
All current orders have been turned over to WC to fill with the exception of 11 or so guns that Melvin already had in process at the time of the sale.
Mr. Wilson how much are you geusstimating a base line mod 20 in .308 will cost once you get up and running efficently production wise. Prices on them I have surfed on the web are outrageous right now honestly.
Come on. Even if he knows at this point do you really expect a price release on a product that isn’t even made yet?
Will the pricing be similar, higher or lower...or is it too early to say at this stage?
For now we've left retail the same. We will sell through dist/dealer/retail so street price will probably be less. That said, we hope to be able to lower the retail once we know our costs. We will be mfg the actions and barrels in much larger qty than Melvin has in the past on high efficiency CNC/EDM machines so this should lower costs.
Mr Wilson, its fabulous to see you taking time to post on this forum and keep your finger on the pulse. Its great to know a good thing Mr. Forbes created has potential to be even greater. This is especially refreshing given the shelving of the Fieldcraft. I'll be a customer I'm sure. The best of luck to you.
Mr Wilson, its fabulous to see you taking time to post on this forum and keep your finger on the pulse. Its great to know a good thing Mr. Forbes created has potential to be even greater. This is especially refreshing given the shelving of the Fieldcraft. I'll be a customer I'm sure. The best of luck to you.
13.5 is pretty standard but I think 13 is better than 14. I would think with a deposit put down ordering the lop you want would be fairly easy to arrange. A deposit and patience should get the stock and barrel length you wish. I wouldn’t expect a bunch of different chamberings contours and such.
i dont think so....looks like they come with barrel lengths but that is it if you look at the web site.....more of a production than custom specially if they go thru dealers...but it is early in this journey
I hear a bunch of guys who, for the most part, didn't order a NULA when Melvin was in charge bitching about custom options when, for the most part, they won't order a NULA when Wilson is in charge.
Hopefully you'll be able to get whatever your willing to pay for from Wilson Combat. That is unless Wilson Combat decides to sell the NULA at Barrett Fieldcraft prices, then you get what you get.
not sure if the bitchn applies to me but you would be wrong in the assumption if so...not bitchn just stating and i am glad the rifle line continues and Melvin is still working on the older ones
i will add something for Mr Wilson to consider i have a few nula rifles and with the current trend of larger turrets on scopes the ejection angle seems to always throw the brass up into the scope...it seemed the fieldcraft rifles handled this better with a different ejector location and may be something to consider....thanks
If that means mine it’s a foolish comment. No one has bitched about anything. If you consider any of the conversations in this thread as bitching I’m sure you have hurt feelings pretty often.
Bill thanks for answering my questions. After you have been producing these rifles for a little while, besides the option of a stainless steel action (even though I prefer a chrome-moly action and stainless barrel) another option may be a hinged floor-plate design. Although this would add a few ounces, the rifles would still be extremely light. But as I said, only as an option to the blind internal magazine. Thank you.
All of our barrels are stainless and we're already looking at a bottom metal (Aluminum) version as we convert paper prints to CAD
Dood, I just sent an order in for a Nula about 4 weeks back-wonder what this is going to do to my order?
All current orders have been turned over to WC to fill with the exception of 11 or so guns that Melvin already had in process at the time of the sale.
Mr. Wilson how much are you geusstimating a base line mod 20 in .308 will cost once you get up and running efficently production wise. Prices on them I have surfed on the web are outrageous right now honestly.
It's just too early to know what our costs will be and also how much raw materials will cost when we get into production, but I'm hoping we can reduce the price some.
As I posted earlier, we will sell via dist/dealer/retail so actual "street" price will certainly be less.
I know that you and your team will do it right but please keep the option for a custom LOP.
It is an option, but when we build a gun to sell it will have a 13" LOP
I'm not sure there is a industry "standard" on LOP, throughout all brands 12.5, 13, 13.25, 13.5 and 14 are all used.
Personally I like short and lightweight guns (all my ARs have a 12.5" LOP carbon fiber stock or has the adj stock set at 12.5". If you feel 13" is too short, just move your support hand slightly further up the forearm which will bring the butt back into your shoulder.
Some rifle stocks such as on Remingtons get away with a 13.5" LOP by having the pistol grip relatively close to the trigger which results in the trigger finger having a large bend in it, however this design keeps the thumb far enough away from your nose under recoil and also gives a reasonably long distance from the front of the pistol grip to the recoil pad. Other brands eg some European brands have the pistol grip further away from the trigger and your trigger finger is not bent as much...however if these stocks had a 13.5" length of pull, the thumb gets too close to your nose, and the distance from the front of the pistol grip to the recoil pad is shorter... so a longer LOP is better on these designs of stocks. The point I'm making is that the ideal LOP for any particular individual varies according to the design of the stock. Note I am addressing this to those who say they like a certain LOP.
I know that you and your team will do it right but please keep the option for a custom LOP.
It is an option, but when we build a gun to sell it will have a 13" LOP
I'm not sure there is a industry "standard" on LOP, throughout all brands 12.5, 13, 13.25, 13.5 and 14 are all used.
Personally I like short and lightweight guns (all my ARs have a 12.5" LOP carbon fiber stock or has the adj stock set at 12.5". If you feel 13" is too short, just move your support hand slightly further up the forearm which will bring the butt back into your shoulder.
I understand why a "standard" LOP would be appropriate for a production rifle. I am 6'6" and prefer a 14.5 to 15" LOP for all-around use on a bolt rifle. Anything under 14" is uncomfortably short using that same shooting style you have described above. My current NULA M20 in 308 has a 14.5" LOP and is comfortable but would not want it any shorter. A custom / semi-custom was the main draw for many to Melvin's rifles. The ability to get a LW rifle that fit me was a huge draw for me.
The Colt light rifle, Forbes and Barrett iterations were production rifles. The Barrett was the only successful rifle IMO. I also appreciate the Kimber Montana rifles but it fits my 6 and 8 year old kids better as a "youth" rifles than it does me as a large adult man.
I know that you will make awesome rifles for the masses but I hope that does not alienate the folks that came to Melvin for a custom rifle not just a lightweight rifle.
I know that you and your team will do it right but please keep the option for a custom LOP.
It is an option, but when we build a gun to sell it will have a 13" LOP
I'm not sure there is a industry "standard" on LOP, throughout all brands 12.5, 13, 13.25, 13.5 and 14 are all used.
Personally I like short and lightweight guns (all my ARs have a 12.5" LOP carbon fiber stock or has the adj stock set at 12.5". If you feel 13" is too short, just move your support hand slightly further up the forearm which will bring the butt back into your shoulder.
I understand why a "standard" LOP would be appropriate for a production rifle. I am 6'6" and prefer a 14.5 to 15" LOP for all-around use on a bolt rifle. Anything under 14" is uncomfortably short using that same shooting style you have described above. My current NULA M20 in 308 has a 14.5" LOP and is comfortable but would not want it any shorter. A custom / semi-custom was the main draw for many to Melvin's rifles. The ability to get a LW rifle that fit me was a huge draw for me.
The Colt light rifle, Forbes and Barrett iterations were production rifles. The Barrett was the only successful rifle IMO. I also appreciate the Kimber Montana rifles but it fits my 6 and 8 year old kids better as a "youth" rifles than it does me as a large adult man.
I know that you will make awesome rifles for the masses but I hope that does not alienate the folks that came to Melvin for a custom rifle not just a lightweight rifle.
As posted before, custom LOP is available, see "Standard Features/Customization" at the Rifle tab on the website under the M20 spec
I know that you and your team will do it right but please keep the option for a custom LOP.
It is an option, but when we build a gun to sell it will have a 13" LOP
I'm not sure there is a industry "standard" on LOP, throughout all brands 12.5, 13, 13.25, 13.5 and 14 are all used.
Personally I like short and lightweight guns (all my ARs have a 12.5" LOP carbon fiber stock or has the adj stock set at 12.5". If you feel 13" is too short, just move your support hand slightly further up the forearm which will bring the butt back into your shoulder.
I understand why a "standard" LOP would be appropriate for a production rifle. I am 6'6" and prefer a 14.5 to 15" LOP for all-around use on a bolt rifle. Anything under 14" is uncomfortably short using that same shooting style you have described above. My current NULA M20 in 308 has a 14.5" LOP and is comfortable but would not want it any shorter. A custom / semi-custom was the main draw for many to Melvin's rifles. The ability to get a LW rifle that fit me was a huge draw for me.
The Colt light rifle, Forbes and Barrett iterations were production rifles. The Barrett was the only successful rifle IMO. I also appreciate the Kimber Montana rifles but it fits my 6 and 8 year old kids better as a "youth" rifles than it does me as a large adult man.
I know that you will make awesome rifles for the masses but I hope that does not alienate the folks that came to Melvin for a custom rifle not just a lightweight rifle.
As posted before, custom LOP is available, see "Standard Features/Customization" at the Rifle tab on the website under the M20 spec
Mr. Wilson, Thank you for the clarification! I misinterpreted your initial response.
I know that you and your team will do it right but please keep the option for a custom LOP.
It is an option, but when we build a gun to sell it will have a 13" LOP
I'm not sure there is a industry "standard" on LOP, throughout all brands 12.5, 13, 13.25, 13.5 and 14 are all used.
Personally I like short and lightweight guns (all my ARs have a 12.5" LOP carbon fiber stock or has the adj stock set at 12.5". If you feel 13" is too short, just move your support hand slightly further up the forearm which will bring the butt back into your shoulder.
Well that puts me out of the market. I am comfortable with a 14" LOP. I have one rifle with a 13.5" LOP and I feel like I'm going to get scoped.
I know this is the 24hr Campfire, but there is no reason to be snarky.
The website says that, yes, and when I talked to Mr. Forbes a year ago I could have the LOP I wanted, but Mr. Wilson just wrote he is now sticking with 13" and to adjust your hold if that is too short. So yes I have been following the thread. It does look as though if a person orders one he/she can get a LOP they want, but those that are sold retail will have a 13" LOP. If that is incorrect please correct.
13” LOP is short for me! I would not be interested in a rifle with that sort of LOP.
Were you interested in NULAs 8 days ago when they offered customs lengths?
All last week I was so excited to call Melvin this morning and place my order for an 18" .308. On Saturday night I decided to do some reading and learned I won't be talking to Melvin after all.
For me the, the first $2400 was the rifle itself while the second $2400 was getting an original work of art by a master. Not sure how I feel now that Melvin's hands won't be involved.
I wonder if the sale will trigger some NULAs coming out of the safes and onto the auction sites for 'cast & see' prices?
OK, did some research on this LOP issue that so many seem to have their panties in a wad over.....
We currently have 80 guns on order, the requested LOP ranges from 12.5" to 14.25" with an average of 13.39" with the most frequently ordered LOP being 13.25"
So we're going to change the "standard" LOP to 13.25"
As to contours we are working on that, but will probably be something kinda between a #1 and #2. On lightweight AR barrels we've had good accuracy with straight contour barrels as thin as a .150" sidewall (Example: .308 .610" dia.). With the popularity of threaded muzzles we'll obviously have to increase the diameter before the threads on a .610" barrel up to .740" like we do on AR barrels to allow for a shoulder if threaded 5/8-24.
Thanks for the interest and please be patient, as more info becomes available we will update the NULA website.
hang in their Bill its the internet where you can get information if you want or be snarky i guess...but thanks for keeping a great rifle platform alive
For decades, Remington used 13 3/8" as standard on the 700. Always seemed like a sensible number. Right on your 13.39" average. Depending on stock design, 13.2-13.6" seems sensible as a standard starting point.
Just got off the phone with Lamar at Wilson Combat. If they have someone this patient and knowledgeable answering phones I would bet it is a reflection of their culture of hiring and training.
After speaking with Lamar, I'm super optimistic NULA fans are in great hands with WC. The WC emploees just found out about this last week so Lamar has to get back to me on a couple questions before placing my order.
hang in their Bill its the internet where you can get information if you want or be snarky i guess...but thanks for keeping a great rifle platform alive
Something about WC's purchase and Bill being a former watchmaker gives me great comfort about NULA's future. I am, however, hoping that a Lefty isn't too far off in the distance. Well done, Melvin and Bill.
OK, did some research on this LOP issue that so many seem to have their panties in a wad over.....
We currently have 80 guns on order, the requested LOP ranges from 12.5" to 14.25" with an average of 13.39" with the most frequently ordered LOP being 13.25"
So we're going to change the "standard" LOP to 13.25"
As to contours we are working on that, but will probably be something kinda between a #1 and #2. On lightweight AR barrels we've had good accuracy with straight contour barrels as thin as a .150" sidewall (Example: .308 .610" dia.). With the popularity of threaded muzzles we'll obviously have to increase the diameter before the threads on a .610" barrel up to .740" like we do on AR barrels to allow for a shoulder if threaded 5/8-24.
Thanks for the interest and please be patient, as more info becomes available we will update the NULA website.
Looking forward to your influence on the rifle. The NULA stock is 7-8 oz. more than the Manners Classic Ultralight. That's weight that could go into the barrel. Also, with a no. 1 or even no. 2 contour barrel, the fore-end has waaay too much meat around the barrel as it does around the action. Be great if you could slim up the stock a bit.
I have two NULA’s currently and have owned four in total. While I’m excited that Wilson Combat will continue Melvin’s rifle, I’m going to miss the full custom options that have always been a hallmark of the line.
I wish the M20 was a tad heavier. A 5lb rifle in 284 or 308 might be a tad sporty. I've never shot one but have heard from more than 1 owner the perceived recoil is less than it would seem. I've been toying with building/buying another 0.284 cartridge and the 284 win always seemed like a good choice. A 139 LRX in a 284 win would likely cover alot of ground
What is the mag box COAL on the M20? If I recall it's close to 3"?
I’m late to the suppressor game but for me it’s changed my mind on just how I want to build a rifle.
I believe the barrel contour he’s talking about with the end to step up would be awesome. Light short and suppressed. I know many people do not want them but I do know anyone who has used them and stoped.
I wish the M20 was a tad heavier. A 5lb rifle in 284 or 308 might be a tad sporty. I've never shot one but have heard from more than 1 owner the perceived recoil is less than it would seem. I've been toying with building/buying another 0.284 cartridge and the 284 win always seemed like a good choice. A 139 LRX in a 284 win would likely cover alot of ground
What is the mag box COAL on the M20? If I recall it's close to 3"?
The mag box is 3" on the M20's. I'm a big fan of them.
I've wished for a touch more forward balance from time to time but never wished for heavier overall when hunting. Since moving to other mounts/rings than TLW's and heavier scopes I've really not wished for any heavier on the rifle.
Kaleb mentioned suppressed shooting and I really like it when just "shooting" but I don't hunt with it. Suppressed has LOTS of advantages but I can't stand carrying them for anything other than a short walk. They do add forward balance so that is a consideration. Everyone has different preferences though....THE reason for a custom is getting exactly what you want.....and the trade off is more $.
I wish the M20 was a tad heavier. A 5lb rifle in 284 or 308 might be a tad sporty. I've never shot one but have heard from more than 1 owner the perceived recoil is less than it would seem. I've been toying with building/buying another 0.284 cartridge and the 284 win always seemed like a good choice. A 139 LRX in a 284 win would likely cover alot of ground
What is the mag box COAL on the M20? If I recall it's close to 3"?
I've been hunting with a NULA .308 for at least twelve years. It has a #1 22" barrel and it weighs just under 6 lbs. with a 6x36 Leupold. Recoil is noticeably less than I anticipated, even with 180 grain bullets and its not uncomfortable to shoot even off the bench. Whether it's stock design or something else, I don't know, but recoil is quite manageable. I can say the same for a NULA 28 in 7x61 Sharpe & Hart, but I had Mr. Forbes put a 26" #3 barrel on that one as I anticipated a heavy recoil. Recoil is not at all unpleasant. It weighs just under seven pounds with a 2.5x-8x Leupold.
I haven't measured the magazine box on the .308 in quite a while, but I know it can handle a longer OAL than other .308 magazines. It may be 3". I no longer do any load development with this rifle; I've settled on a Barnes 150 TTSX and H4895 powder. Works well on elk. OAL is conventional .308 at 2.81".
I just ordered my first Nula. I spoke with Melvin yesterday after submitting a work order last week. I hope he builds my rifle. Is Melvin fulfilling the current orders? I see that many of the options I selected not available on the current website.
I just ordered my first Nula. I spoke with Melvin yesterday after submitting a work order last week. I hope he builds my rifle. Is Melvin fulfilling the current orders? I see that many of the options I selected not available on the current website.
If you talked to Melvin yesterday, I’d hope you would have asked him who’s building it.
I ordered a matte finish .308 Win. with a 22 inch number 1 contour barrel, in original forest camo. I didn’t know about the transfer of ownership. No fault of anyone, I have saved a long time to afford my dream gun. I have always wanted model 20 in forest camo made by Mr. Forbes.
I ordered a matte finish .308 Win. with a 22 inch number 1 contour barrel, in original forest camo. I didn’t know about the transfer of ownership. No fault of anyone, I have saved a long time to afford my dream gun. I have always wanted model 20 in forest camo made by Mr. Forbes.
I’m sure you’ll be thrilled with it, congratulations.
I just ordered my first Nula. I spoke with Melvin yesterday after submitting a work order last week. I hope he builds my rifle. Is Melvin fulfilling the current orders? I see that many of the options I selected not available on the current website.
If you talked to Melvin yesterday, I’d hope you would have asked him who’s building it.
Like many others, you didn't bother to read the rest of the thread. The first Wilson rifles won't be showing up for several months.
yeah but on page 5 Bill states all current orders are turned over to them to fill with only 11 remaining with Melvin to finish so a lot of things going on here that we are not privy to probably
The area around here is chapparal with dense thorn brush, sharp rocks, and nothing but 45 degree hills in all directions. I want an ultra-light, short oal rifle to put some foot miles on these brutal hills.
Trying to decide between a 16" or 18" NULA .308 Win.. I'm not too interested in a radial break as I don't want to kick up dirt when shooting prone off of a day pack. I also don't want a compensator blasting back at me or causing adjacent shooters' ears to bleed.
That leaves me with the noise, recoil, and blast from a 16" or 18" barrel or threading a 16" barrel and trying a titanium linear compensator. Some linears say they reduce recoil by 25% plus redirect noise and blast away from shooter and adjacent hunters/shooter.
I've hunted with nr33 ear plugs and Walker's Raptor Bone Conduction Bluetooth Electronic Hearing Enhancer so noise shouldn't be an issue. How brutal is the blast from an uncomp'd 16 or 18 inch .308?
I shoot an 18" AR in 7.62/308 quite alot and I don't find it bad myself, but I have shot short barreled rifles for a long time so maybe I am just accustomed to it. I'd think a bolt gun around 18" would be quite handy if built correctly and still very capable. Just my thoughts.
looks like the stock will be the slowest part of the rifles....they sure have quite an investment in machines
FYI, that video only shows our newest machine shop and a portion of another, we have 4 machine shops total in AR now with close to 90 CNC/EDM machines. Sister company Lehigh Defense has 19 Swiss CNC lathes running 24/7 in South Dakota also which will move to our new plant in NE TX this fall.
I shoot an 18" AR in 7.62/308 quite alot and I don't find it bad myself, but I have shot short barreled rifles for a long time so maybe I am just accustomed to it. I'd think a bolt gun around 18" would be quite handy if built correctly and still very capable. Just my thoughts.
I hunt almost exclusively with a suppressor on my guns and rarely shoot past 300yds (my average shot here on the ranch in NE TX is 80yds on hogs and 150yds on deer) and find that I don't give up much performance with 16.2" barrels. My personal rule of thumb is 14.5"-16.2" for suppressed and 18"-20" for non-suppressed guns. However, if I was out west or anywhere where 300yd+ shots were common I'd certainly go longer for the increased velocity and better trajectory.
As I get older I've found that I just don't like long heavy rifles anymore!
The magazine box is 2.5-inches long. The Ultimate Mountain Rifle is available for the following cartridges:
223 Remington (Wylde) with a 16-, 18, or 20-inch barrel
300 HAMR with a 16- or 18-inch barrel
350 Legend with a 16-inch barrel
Model 20
.......and the magazine box is 3 inches long. The Ultimate Mountain Rifle is available for the following cartridges:
243 Winchester with a 20- or 22-inch barrel
6.5 Creedmoor with an 18-, 20-, or 22-inch barrel
7mm-08 Remington with a 20-inch barrel
284 Winchester with a 22-inch barrel
308 Winchester with a 16-, 18-, or 20-inch barrel
The above are Mr. Wilson's planned offerings from the start. Limited info but it looks like a really solid first group to be offering. I'd think the 6.5 Grendel would be a more likely candidate than the 6BR or ARC, and that's not an argument against either of them, just thought on sales for most folks.
I'm not sure how much leeway there is on opening the 20S mag box to 2.6-2.75, I'm guessing it could go all the way to 3"....as long as it doesn't hurt feeding on shorter rounds having a touch more mag length isn't a bad thing.
Any way Mr. Wilson decides to go, I'm exciting he's carrying the torch.
The standard magazine boxes on Model 20s have been three inches long since Melvin started making them in the 1980s.
John,
I’m not sure this is accurate. My model 20 in .260 built in 1997 does indeed have a 3” magazine, but my model 20S’s built in 2003 and 2012 both have 2.5” magazines. I think you meant the model 20 has always had a 3” magazine which is true, but the model 20S has a 2.5” magazine.
Apparently you didn't notice that I typed 20s, NOT 20S. 20s is the correct term for multiple Model 20 magazines, which is what I was addressing, not the Model 20 Short (20S) actions.
Apparently you didn't notice that I typed 20s, NOT 20S. 20s is the correct term for multiple Model 20 magazines, which is what I was addressing, not the Model 20 Short (20S) actions.
I have a ULA Model 20 in 284 Melvin built for me in 1990 that I have drug all over North America. I'm pretty sure it came with a 2.75 inch magazine box because I always had to watch the cartridge length because of that. When I sent it in 4 or 5 years ago for a face lift I had Melvin put the 3 inch magazine box in the stock at that time.
When I bought the rifle I had Superior Ammunition load me up about 20 boxes of 284 140 grain Nosler Partitions of which I still have a couple left. All the cartridges are just a shade under 2.75" long for that reason. Had to shove that Partition quite a ways in the case on top of the 55 grains of IMR 4350 to keep it under 2.75".
I have a ULA Model 20 in 284 Melvin built for me in 1990 that I have drug all over North America. I'm pretty sure it came with a 2.75 inch magazine box because I always had to watch the cartridge length because of that. When I sent it in 4 or 5 years ago for a face lift I had Melvin put the 3 inch magazine box in the stock at that time.
When I bought the rifle I had Superior Ammunition load me up about 20 boxes of 284 140 grain Nosler Partitions of which I still have a couple left. All the cartridges are just a shade under 2.75" long for that reason. Had to shove that Partition quite a ways in the case on top of the 55 grains of IMR 4350 to keep it under 2.75".
That is interesting. You got me curious, so I measured a 20 built in 1988 - 3.0” box.
No offense taken believe me. I was hesitant to even mention it. One thing for sure it is a shooter/killer. Was, is, and always will be with that load. Never shot anything else in it.
I have a ULA Model 20 in 284 Melvin built for me in 1990 that I have drug all over North America. I'm pretty sure it came with a 2.75 inch magazine box because I always had to watch the cartridge length because of that. When I sent it in 4 or 5 years ago for a face lift I had Melvin put the 3 inch magazine box in the stock at that time.
When I bought the rifle I had Superior Ammunition load me up about 20 boxes of 284 140 grain Nosler Partitions of which I still have a couple left. All the cartridges are just a shade under 2.75" long for that reason. Had to shove that Partition quite a ways in the case on top of the 55 grains of IMR 4350 to keep it under 2.75".
That is interesting. You got me curious, so I measured a 20 built in 1988 - 3.0” box.
I have a ULA Model 20 in 284 Melvin built for me in 1990 that I have drug all over North America. I'm pretty sure it came with a 2.75 inch magazine box because I always had to watch the cartridge length because of that. When I sent it in 4 or 5 years ago for a face lift I had Melvin put the 3 inch magazine box in the stock at that time.
When I bought the rifle I had Superior Ammunition load me up about 20 boxes of 284 140 grain Nosler Partitions of which I still have a couple left. All the cartridges are just a shade under 2.75" long for that reason. Had to shove that Partition quite a ways in the case on top of the 55 grains of IMR 4350 to keep it under 2.75".
That is interesting. You got me curious, so I measured a 20 built in 1988 - 3.0” box.
I will take them both...
Oh wait, wrong place
Going to be some serious quick draw on nulas for a while!
I have a ULA Model 20 in 284 Melvin built for me in 1990 that I have drug all over North America. I'm pretty sure it came with a 2.75 inch magazine box because I always had to watch the cartridge length because of that. When I sent it in 4 or 5 years ago for a face lift I had Melvin put the 3 inch magazine box in the stock at that time.
When I bought the rifle I had Superior Ammunition load me up about 20 boxes of 284 140 grain Nosler Partitions of which I still have a couple left. All the cartridges are just a shade under 2.75" long for that reason. Had to shove that Partition quite a ways in the case on top of the 55 grains of IMR 4350 to keep it under 2.75".
That is interesting. You got me curious, so I measured a 20 built in 1988 - 3.0” box.
I will take them both...
Oh wait, wrong place
Going to be some serious quick draw on nulas for a while!
just real glad I picked up the 7mm-08 earlier this year...really should do everything I want/need for the rest of my lifetime. Just need to figure out how to smooth out the action some
Was going to try and buy a used CLR or Forbes and send it to Melvin for any and all upgrades he do to it so I could have a functional piece of art from a master. Was also going to try and get the stock paint scheme I've always wanted that is pictured at NULA -> MENU -> RIFLES -> Model 20 Short.
When I called Melvin and he said he was sweeping and to call back some other time, it was apparent to me Bill Wilson saved an amazing rifle, designed by an amazing man and Bill deserves the sale.
A BWC NULA 18" .308 Win. should be coming off the line just in time for Santa to get his FFL and sneak it under me Christmas Tree.
Thank you to my FFL and Wilson Combat's Lamar for working everything out for me.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
Man glad I was able to pick up a ula model 28 300 win. Picked it up on the 25 of this month, looked on the nula website and found out the company had been sold to Wilson's. And now the model 24 and 28 are on temporary hold. I did talk to Melvin yesterday, and they are still doing almost all the other work for pre Wilson ula rifles ( barreling, painting, ect) but not building new ones anymore:( Every time I've talked to Melvin he's been great to deal with. Wish the best of luck to Wilson's on the great opportunity to continue building great rifles.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Yeah, the Republican party moving too far right and voting for a democrat is always a sound stance.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Barack Obama Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Yeah, the Republican party moving too far right and voting for a democrat is always a sound stance.
I had never heard the "too far right" quote. Not sure what too much freedom and liberty for all looks like but sounds like Mr Cooper was listening to some npr on his drive to work.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Barack Obama Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment.
So did every other party line voting libtard. I just think most people prior to obama were ignorant of how maniacal democrats are.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Yeah, the Republican party moving too far right and voting for a democrat is always a sound stance.
I had never heard the "too far right" quote. Not sure what too much freedom and liberty for all looks like but sounds like Mr Cooper was listening to some npr on his drive to work.
It sounds like you are an idiot and defending your hubby for voting Obama.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Barack Obama Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment.
So did every other party line voting libtard. I just think most people prior to obama were ignorant of how maniacal democrats are.
Stupid is the word, but I know you clams don't like that. Please continue to defend the c*nt.
Man glad I was able to pick up a ula model 28 300 win. Picked it up on the 25 of this month, looked on the nula website and found out the company had been sold to Wilson's. And now the model 24 and 28 are on temporary hold. I did talk to Melvin yesterday, and they are still doing almost all the other work for pre Wilson ula rifles ( barreling, painting, ect) but not building new ones anymore:( Every time I've talked to Melvin he's been great to deal with. Wish the best of luck to Wilson's on the great opportunity to continue building great rifles.
This is good news as i picked up an older ULA 260 awhile back that is need of a complete restoration. Any clue of cost to do a thorough once over Safety check, paint stock and rebarrel would be from Mel??
Man glad I was able to pick up a ula model 28 300 win. Picked it up on the 25 of this month, looked on the nula website and found out the company had been sold to Wilson's. And now the model 24 and 28 are on temporary hold. I did talk to Melvin yesterday, and they are still doing almost all the other work for pre Wilson ula rifles ( barreling, painting, ect) but not building new ones anymore:( Every time I've talked to Melvin he's been great to deal with. Wish the best of luck to Wilson's on the great opportunity to continue building great rifles.
This is good news as i picked up an older ULA 260 awhile back that is need of a complete restoration. Any clue of cost to do a thorough once over Safety check, paint stock and rebarrel would be from Mel??
Yessir i do like the 260. Just thinkin id like to add 3-4 inches of barrel length and have rifle completely gone over and restored by Melvin while his service is still available. This rifle is due for a makeover
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Barack Obama Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment.
So did every other party line voting libtard. I just think most people prior to obama were ignorant of how maniacal democrats are.
Stupid is the word, but I know you clams don't like that. Please continue to defend the c*nt.
250Rag_age will be nicer after he gets his soup and a diaper change.
Yessir i do like the 260. Just thinkin id like to add 3-4 inches of barrel length and have rifle completely gone over and restored by Melvin while his service is still available. This rifle is due for a makeover
Can Melvin turn CLRs and Forbes into a NULA or just ULAs?
Even thought I just ordered a .308 18" NNULA it'd be nice to pick up a 284 for when I retire and have time to do some reloading. Plus I still really want something built by Melvin.
I know we hate cooper and his rifles but I dont remember why…?
"This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.
Cooper is a player in one of the little-told dramas of the 2008 presidential campaign: how Obama has been able to out-raise Republican John McCain among swaths of the business community, outperforming previous Democratic presidential nominees in drawing business support.
Cooper changed sides, he said, "probably because of the war. And also because the Republican Party has moved so far right in recent years."
He also likes Obama's message about "the retooling of America, which involves the building of middle-class jobs and helping American small business be competitive with those overseas."
To be fair, John McCain's track record of back stabing up and coming Conservatives with 'China Rich' Bitch McConnell didn't have the Republican base very excited.
obama's Illinois senate tenure was fairly innocuous and his radical anti-American college years were pretty well hidden during the campaign.
I didn't hear anyone predict how evil of a pos obama would turn out to be or how many acts of treason he'd commit.
Also, I sure love my Cooper Custom Classics.
Barack Obama Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment.
So did every other party line voting libtard. I just think most people prior to obama were ignorant of how maniacal democrats are.
Stupid is the word, but I know you clams don't like that. Please continue to defend the c*nt.
250Rag_age will be nicer after he gets his soup and a diaper change.
Keep defending the liberal pukes, you liberal puke.
NO H.S. Precision "Fans" in the house?!? You Whining Bitches are fhuqking SOFT! Hint.
Fhuqk Lon Horiuchi! Now shut the fhuqk up Karen(s),Google as you must and let GOOD folks,take a "good" business over. Bill has the Thrill,so shut the fhuqk up and happily pay that bill. Hint.
You Gawwdamned Fhuqking Whining CLUELESS Kchunts are a HOOT! Hint..............
NO H.S. Precision "Fans" in the house?!? You Whining Bitches are fhuqking SOFT! Hint.
Fhuqk Lon Horiuchi! Now shut the fhuqk up Karen(s),Google as you must and let GOOD folks,take a "good" business over. Bill has the Thrill,so shut the fhuqk up and happily pay that bill. Hint.
You Gawwdamned Fhuqking Whining CLUELESS Kchunts are a HOOT! Hint..............
I noticed that you were sucking-up big time the other day as well as crying about "only" 2.5" internal length on the 20s.
Your Day Dreaming Delusions,are taking you to places that don't exist...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Punctuation don't aspook me and there is nobody better with Engleesh,than I. When I cite a particular,it's crystalline,not that I don't enjoy the HILARITY of your Drooling Fhuqking Retardation,copious WELL founded Insecuritires and never ending Hurt Feeler Reports,to correlate your perpetual "Victim" status. Hint.
Hi. Long time, intermittent lurker. This thread is how I found out about the NULA sale. I was surprised, but not shocked to learn Melvin had sold. Good for him, and I hope it works out for Mr. Wilson & Co. New Ultra Light Arms and Wilson Combat are two solid brands to combine and build on.
I did speak with NULA the other day- being concerned about the status of my order and who would complete it -and it seems that my rifle will be one of the final eleven Mr. Wilson referred to earlier in the thread. I’m thankful to Mr. Forbes and everyone else at NULA. I’m glad to hear that someone will continue his work on the originals going forward, and I appreciate “getting in under the wire” with my order.
I’ll never forget what Mr. Forbes told me the day we finalized my build over the phone last July while I was near full “fanboy”. It was very apropos-“I’m just working man that wants to build a great rifle for a good price.” The humility, patience and measure Mr. Forbes has engaged me with every time we’ve spoken has been a pleasure. Thank you, sir.
Apparently a different version of the "Model 20 Short" action was used to build rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC etc. Does anyone know how this differs from the usual "Model 20 Short" action...if at all?
Apparently a different version of the "Model 20 Short" action was used to build rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC etc. Does anyone know how this differs from the usual "Model 20 Short" action...if at all?
Apparently a different version of the "Model 20 Short" action was used to build rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC etc. Does anyone know how this differs from the usual "Model 20 Short" action...if at all?
I previously carefully looked at the Website and have just now looked at it again. I can't see any answer to my question. Obviously the bolt face will be opened up, but are there any other differences at all, for those rifles that were chambered in 6.8 SPC or other wider-than-.223 short cases?
Apparently a different version of the "Model 20 Short" action was used to build rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC etc. Does anyone know how this differs from the usual "Model 20 Short" action...if at all?
I previously carefully looked at the Website and have just now looked at it again. I can't see any answer to my question. Obviously the bolt face will be opened up, but are there any other differences at all, for those rifles that were chambered in 6.8 SPC or other wider-than-.223 short cases?
The M20 is for standard short action cartridges and the mag box has an OAL of 3".
The M20S is for "shorter" short action cartridges, with various bolt faces, like the .223, .300 bo, 358 Legend, 6.5 Grendel, etc..and has a 2.5" mag box.
The Short version of the Model 20, NOT the standard Model 20, was often chambered in 6.8 SPC, .22PPC etc. Apparently, there was a benchrest version of the Model 20 Short (with the 2.5" magazine box) that was used for these chamberings rather than the usual Model 20 Short. This is what I was told by someone who actually owned a NULA chambered in 6.8 SPC. Now I don't know whether this is true or not...hence the question. Obviously I am fully aware of the differences between the Model 20 Short and the Model 20 which is used to house .308 length cartridges. Could people with comprehension difficulties not reply to this question.
Fhuqk ALL the "proprietary" Goat Fhuqk Bullschit and simply offer a 7" RPM 223 with 2.600" COAL and i'll happily take mine with (5) 8x40's in the roof. Hint.
Then go 224and 243 Grendel,both in 7" RPM. Hint.................
Yeh, the box is 2.5", obviously they're not going to build a 2.64" box just for you.
Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for doing the BEST you can,with what INCREDIBLY little you "have" to "work" with...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pardon my simply shooting all and then some,as you feverishly GoogleFu a FIRST Fhuqking Clue,you Amazingly STUPID Fhuqk. Hint.
I reckon "math" is TOUGH for your Retardation too,but 2.500" will always be reliably shy of 2.600". Now even you "know". Hint.
Beings the 20 is a 3.00+" COAL platform and that most 223 receivers are shoe horned versions of lengthier platforms,there's plenty of room to realize the aforementioned 2.600" COAL,within same. Hardly "daunting" to time bolt stops and mag confines with said focus. Hint.
I get it,that you are at the LIMITS of your "abilities" and your Minimum Wage "means",which is the ONLY fhuqking reason(s) your Dumbfhuqkery is soooooooo reliably fhuqking FUNNY!. Hint.
Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for doing the BEST you can,with what INCREDIBLY little you "have" to "work" with...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pardon my simply shooting all and then some,as you feverishly GoogleFu a FIRST Fhuqking Clue,you Amazingly STUPID Fhuqk. Hint.
I reckon "math" is TOUGH for your Retardation too,but 2.500" will always be reliably shy of 2.600". Now even you "know". Hint.
Beings the 20 is a 3.00+" COAL platform and that most 223 receivers are shoe horned versions of lengthier platforms,there's plenty of room to realize the aforementioned 2.600" COAL,within same. Hardly "daunting" to time bolt stops and mag confines with said focus. Hint.
I get it,that you are at the LIMITS of your "abilities" and your Minimum Wage "means",which is the ONLY fhuqking reason(s) your Dumbfhuqkery is soooooooo reliably fhuqking FUNNY!. Hint.
Bless your heart for trying though.
Hint.
P.S. and by the way,your Edit "helped" you none.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Sure, you thought this on page 4 about using the Model 20 3.00 length action for the .223, the next page you asked "If you can divulge,what do you factor '20 Short COAL confines to be?" Hint.
It just so happens,that I'm not the gent that bought the Company. Now even you know. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!
There's a constant in The Industry to shoe horn receivers and that will only come as a SURPRISE! to you. Teeker 7mm Rem Mag receivers are the same length as their 223 receivers,if only to try and slap your drooling crossed-eyes straight. Hint.
Question was/is,are the 20 Shorts a DEDICATED receiver shortened length,or a shoe horn,under the pending Establishment. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING,at your "knowledge" and KEEN "understanding"! Hint................
It just so happens,that I'm not the gent that bought the Company. Now even you know. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!
There's a constant in The Industry to shoe horn receivers and that will only come as a SURPRISE! to you. Teeker 7mm Rem Mag receivers are the same length as their 223 receivers,if only to try and slap your drooling crossed-eyes straight. Hint.
Question was/is,are the 20 Shorts a DEDICATED receiver shortened length,or a shoe horn,under the pending Establishment. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING,at your "knowledge" and KEEN "understanding"! Hint................
This is still not true. Your question was not whether the Model 20 Short was a dedicated shorter length receiver than the Model 20, it was whether the internal length of the magazine of the Model 20 Short will fit a 2.600" COAL. (obviously it won't!!!) FYI, it is a shorter length action.
The only differences between 6.8spc and the 223 of the 20s is the magazine box dimension is wider to accommodate the larger cases and the bolt face is larger.
Originally Posted by Riflehunter
Apparently a different version of the "Model 20 Short" action was used to build rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC etc. Does anyone know how this differs from the usual "Model 20 Short" action...if at all?
The only differences between 6.8spc and the 223 of the 20s is the magazine box dimension is wider to accommodate the larger cases and the bolt face is larger.
Originally Posted by Riflehunter
Apparently a different version of the "Model 20 Short" action was used to build rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC etc. Does anyone know how this differs from the usual "Model 20 Short" action...if at all?
The only differences between 6.8spc and the 223 of the 20s is the magazine box dimension is wider to accommodate the larger cases and the bolt face is larger.
Originally Posted by Riflehunter
Apparently a different version of the "Model 20 Short" action was used to build rifles chambered in 6.8 SPC etc. Does anyone know how this differs from the usual "Model 20 Short" action...if at all?
Thank you for that information.
Riflehunter, I have a model 20 chambered in .20 Titan (.20 Grendel). Let me know if you need measurements.
I obviously don’t have a clue but I can’t fathom it working for them as is. Prices are the same but you took away the custom hands on part of the man/man’s shop building you the rifle. Wilson may build a better gun but you’ve took away the Melvin part.
I think they will have to get some rifles out there and get people fired up for them or cut the price in half.
I obviously don’t have a clue but I can’t fathom it working for them as is. Prices are the same but you took away the custom hands on part of the man/man’s shop building you the rifle. Wilson may build a better gun but you’ve took away the Melvin part.
I think they will have to get some rifles out there and get people fired up for them or cut the price in half.
I don't have a NULA and never dealt with Melvin but it wouldn't shock me if Wilson didn't see the premiums people were paying for lightweight rifles with limited supply from Kimber/Barrett. Probably said "I already make a 1911 better than Kimber and I have a pile of good machinists here - it makes sense for me to try and apply what we know with what Melvin does and be a player in that market"
I get why Wilson did it, but do we even know if they're going to retain the NULA name/marketing/faith and goodwill or will they re-brand and thus differences in customer experience between them and Melvin aren't as stark for returning customers of Melvin's?
It's interesting to me from a market fit/business perspective as I doubt I'm in the market for a NULA/Wilson rifle - just interesting is all.
From my perspective, the fieldcraft was what the “production” nula should look like. Full stainless and roughly half the price. Obviously that isn’t what we will see; at least initially.
I struggle with the notion of a $4200 production gun without Melvin’s touch. But I wish the new owner the best with his endeavor; and will await reviews as they become available.
From my perspective, the fieldcraft was what the “production” nula should look like. Full stainless and roughly half the price. Obviously that isn’t what we will see; at least initially.
I struggle with the notion of a $4200 production gun without Melvin’s touch. But I wish the new owner the best with his endeavor; and will await reviews as they become available.
From my perspective, the fieldcraft was what the “production” nula should look like. Full stainless and roughly half the price. Obviously that isn’t what we will see; at least initially.
I struggle with the notion of a $4200 production gun without Melvin’s touch. But I wish the new owner the best with his endeavor; and will await reviews as they become available.
Agreed
Yep. Barrett is they only one who ever got it right on the "factory" level
$4200 seems spendy for what we hope might equal a fieldcraft
From my perspective, the fieldcraft was what the “production” nula should look like. Full stainless and roughly half the price. Obviously that isn’t what we will see; at least initially.
I struggle with the notion of a $4200 production gun without Melvin’s touch. But I wish the new owner the best with his endeavor; and will await reviews as they become available.
Agreed
Yep. Barrett is they only one who ever got it right on the "factory" level
$4200 seems spendy for what we hope might equal a fieldcraft
I agree with all of the above. I'm hopeful it will be a success for Mr. Wilson and his employees, but the things mentioned have to be considered.
With a NULA you could order exactly what you wished for in the rifle, a custom rifle...though Mr. Forbes might let you know his thoughts on it.
Of what I currently understand with Wilson, you're limited to choosing from the chamberings and barrel lengths that they list. Nothing wrong with that, but that's no longer a custom, it's a production rifle. I'm hopeful they'll turn out great rifles...the pattern is there...but I'm not sure how much demand there will be for a production rifle at custom prices.
From my perspective, the fieldcraft was what the “production” nula should look like. Full stainless and roughly half the price. Obviously that isn’t what we will see; at least initially.
I struggle with the notion of a $4200 production gun without Melvin’s touch. But I wish the new owner the best with his endeavor; and will await reviews as they become available.
Agreed
Yep. Barrett is they only one who ever got it right on the "factory" level
$4200 seems spendy for what we hope might equal a fieldcraft
I agree with all of the above. I'm hopeful it will be a success for Mr. Wilson and his employees, but the things mentioned have to be considered.
With a NULA you could order exactly what you wished for in the rifle, a custom rifle...though Mr. Forbes might let you know his thoughts on it.
Of what I currently understand with Wilson, you're limited to choosing from the chamberings and barrel lengths that they list. Nothing wrong with that, but that's no longer a custom, it's a production rifle. I'm hopeful they'll turn out great rifles...the pattern is there...but I'm not sure how much demand there will be for a production rifle at custom prices.
Jay stated my feelings on the matter perfectly.
I could stomach $4200 when it was built specifically for me, with Melvin's touch. It seems excessive for a production gun, no matter how high the QC is. No offense to Mr. Wilson intended
I actually prefer to have the chrome-moly action and stainless barrel rather than all stainless, except if regularly in very bad weather for extended periods. The most important feature I like with the Model 20 Short is the 2.5" magazine box which means I could seat out to 2.46". I also really like the stock with its cheekpiece and a good forearm grip. I'd pay the $4200 plus $50 for 13.5" LOP if they would do a 22" barrel chambered in 6.8 SPC II. At 6lbs including scope and mounts, holding 4 in the mag. it would make a magnificent 300 yard mountain rifle.
Your Day Dreaming Delusions,are taking you to places that don't exist...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Punctuation don't aspook me and there is nobody better with Engleesh,than I. When I cite a particular,it's crystalline,not that I don't enjoy the HILARITY of your Drooling Fhuqking Retardation,copious WELL founded Insecuritires and never ending Hurt Feeler Reports,to correlate your perpetual "Victim" status. Hint.
Bless your poor poor(literally) Emotional heart.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............
You're just completely incapable of even opening your mouth without "muther-effing" and "Kchunt" ing the other guy aren't you? And you have no idea what an embarrasment you are to yourself either.
Your VERY Tender Feelers and schitload of Insecurities,just "happen" to make less than zero fhuqks to me,but your High Pitched Nasal Whine sure is fhuqking soothing...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Bless your poor poor(literally) heart though,as I rather enjoy you Professional Victims and your Melting Snowflake Routines,which are assuredly NO "Act".
I ordered my ultimate elk rifle from Mr. Forbes ten or so years ago: a NULA 28 in 7x61 Sharpe & Hart Magnum with a 26" #3 barrel. Even with added weight per Mr. Forbes suggestion, it balances perfectly, is accurate, and recoil isn't bad. Weight with Leupold 2.5x-8x scope is under seven pounds and eaily carried in the mountains. Shoots very well and on it's third barrel. It does fine on bull elk with either Partition or Barnes bullets. Great rifle...
I would like to handle a NULA stock. I was excited about the Fieldcrafts and even made a trip to Whittakers to pick one (or 2) up. Could not get along with the stock on those at all. Hard for me to get past Montanas.
I ordered my ultimate elk rifle from Mr. Forbes ten or so years ago: a NULA 28 in 7x61 Sharpe & Hart Magnum with a 26" #3 barrel. Even with added weight per Mr. Forbes suggestion, it balances perfectly, is accurate, and recoil isn't bad. Weight with Leupold 2.5x-8x scope is under seven pounds and eaily carried in the mountains. Shoots very well and on it's third barrel. It does fine on bull elk with either Partition or Barnes bullets. Great rifle...
10 years and 3 barrels is a heck of a accomplishment especially on a hunting rifle. Congratulations on all the shooting.
I ordered my ultimate elk rifle from Mr. Forbes ten or so years ago: a NULA 28 in 7x61 Sharpe & Hart Magnum with a 26" #3 barrel. Even with added weight per Mr. Forbes suggestion, it balances perfectly, is accurate, and recoil isn't bad. Weight with Leupold 2.5x-8x scope is under seven pounds and eaily carried in the mountains. Shoots very well and on it's third barrel. It does fine on bull elk with either Partition or Barnes bullets. Great rifle...
10 years and 3 barrels is a heck of a accomplishment especially on a hunting rifle. Congratulations on all the shooting.
I got carried away with load development. I tried twelve bullets and about five or six powders and shot lots of groups, a few at 300 and 400 yards. At about a thousand rounds on the first two barrels, accuracy deteriorated significantly. I'm pretty well through with load development. This third barrel has no more than about 350 rounds on it since NULA installed it almost three years ago.
My first NULA, a Model 20 in .308 that I bought twelve or more years ago, also has had many round throught it, but it still has the original barrel and continues to be capable of very small groups.
Today I checked on the 16 incher I ordered last year. Was told it is taking longer than expected as they want their people to know each step of Melvin's process exactly as he did it.
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