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Posted By: nimrod1949 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/02/23
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Horizon and Hornady submitted the 22 Creedmoor to SAAMI in June.

Standardizing 1:8 twist.

Building ammunition around the 80 grain eldM and developed a 80 grain eldX
Posted By: Higginez Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/02/23
Very cool!
Posted By: Jackson_Handy Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
Very pumped about this.
Posted By: beretzs Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
Originally Posted by Higginez
Very cool!

Yeah man, that's some great news. That does get me a shade pumped!
Posted By: Big Stick Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
8" is a mistake,as are the 80's. Hint.

7.5" gets you the A-Tip in all atmospheres and I find it strange brew to concoct something,that won't even eat your own wares. It all plays nice in typical 2.800"-ish COAL OEM mag confines. Hint.

88's will do nice things in 8" and that's better than 9". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Posted By: beretzs Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
I have a 7 twist HH that should find it's way onto a Montana honestly. Kinda think that'd be the combo I'd like the most. And probably least amount of money overall to get there.
Posted By: Big Stick Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
I only have (5) rifles so chambered,with only 1-7",7.5" and 8" represented. Hint.

The 224 Speedmire shines brightly in a Montucky and The 'Horn has (3) of 'em. 88's are a Holy Fhuqking TERROR,no matter what they are inserted into and 80's are piles of fhuqking schit in comparison. Hint................
Posted By: Higginez Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
Makes you wonder what the 90 Atip is designed for.
Posted By: SKane Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
Originally Posted by Big Stick
8" is a mistake,as are the 80's. Hint.

7.5" gets you the A-Tip in all atmospheres and I find it strange brew to concoct something,that won't even eat your own wares. It all plays nice in typical 2.800"-ish COAL OEM mag confines. Hint.


Agreed, 1:7.5 or 1:7 is the way to roll.
One of the rifle manufacturers will see the forest through the trees.
Posted By: Big Stick Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
Montucky,Waypoint and Element. Hint.............(grin)
Posted By: smallfry Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
Originally Posted by Big Stick
I only have (5) rifles so chambered,with only 1-7",7.5" and 8" represented. Hint.

The 224 Speedmire shines brightly in a Montucky and The 'Horn has (3) of 'em. 88's are a Holy Fhuqking TERROR,no matter what they are inserted into and 80's are piles of fhuqking schit in comparison. Hint................
How is the standard chamber/throat dim. look in your opinion?
S
Posted By: Big Stick Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/05/23
I've not seen specs/prints,so can't comment. Hint.............
Posted By: Reloder28 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/10/23
So, which barrel length maximizes the performance without being too long?
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/10/23
I'd not fret a 18"
Posted By: 65BR Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/11/23
R28 - you said Maximize performance.......well anything over 23-24" is more than I want, but I would go 22-23 if you want good handling vs a say 26" - blast it going to go up obviously. If you are not running a can, and want a portable sporter to carry, I would go 22-23 with a #2 - #3 contour, given the 22 bore, should shoot fine. I do like short stiff barrels, but my ears matter also, even with hearing protection, so there comes a point.....

Bore size and powder capacity as you can imagine affect powder burn per length, therefore performance and blast. Just depends on application. For a handy truck gun, a 17-20" works well, but one will lose some speed and increase blast. IIRC, Heavies have less 'loss' as you shorten tube vs running lighter bullet weights.

I would expect a nominal loss of 35-40 fps per 1" (starting at say 24/26) just a SWAG........
Posted By: Reloder28 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/11/23
Originally Posted by 65BR
R28 - you said Maximize performance.......well anything over 23-24" is more than I want, but I would go 22-23 if you want good handling vs a say 26" - blast it going to go up obviously. If you are not running a can, and want a portable sporter to carry, I would go 22-23 with a #2 - #3 contour, given the 22 bore, should shoot fine. I do like short stiff barrels, but my ears matter also, even with hearing protection, so there comes a point.....

Bore size and powder capacity as you can imagine affect powder burn per length, therefore performance and blast. Just depends on application. For a handy truck gun, a 17-20" works well, but one will lose some speed and increase blast. IIRC, Heavies have less 'loss' as you shorten tube vs running lighter bullet weights.

I would expect a nominal loss of 35-40 fps per 1" (starting at say 24/26) just a SWAG........

Thank you.
Posted By: raghorn Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/11/23
Originally Posted by Reloder28
So, which barrel length maximizes the performance without being too long?
FWIW
I’m running 3484 fps with 75’s and current lot of RL22 out of my 22” barrel.
Id not want anything longer
Posted By: Reloder28 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/11/23
Originally Posted by raghorn
Originally Posted by Reloder28
So, which barrel length maximizes the performance without being too long?
FWIW
I’m running 3484 fps with 75’s and current lot of RL22 out of my 22” barrel.
Id not want anything longer


Thank you. I think I will go with 22”.
Posted By: 65BR Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/12/23
You are welcome, you will do fine I am sure, look forward to hearing of your build specs and results, and perhaps pics!
Posted By: Reloder28 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/12/23
Originally Posted by 65BR
You are welcome, you will do fine I am sure, look forward to hearing of your build specs and results, and perhaps pics!


Count on it.
Posted By: Reloder28 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/13/23
Originally Posted by Reloder28
Originally Posted by 65BR
You are welcome, you will do fine I am sure, look forward to hearing of your build specs and results, and perhaps pics!


Count on it.

Actually, I purchased my first Sig Cross in May. It is a 16” barreled 308. Fell in love with it, so I bought another, shipped it to the gunsmith to install a 22” Benchmark barrel.

Got to thinking that since these rifles were sort of a switch-barrel setup, I’d buy a third & have it set up with a 22 Creedmoor barrel. So, that’ll be the extent of the build per say. I have no doubt it will shoot bench rest accurate.
Posted By: 65BR Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/14/23
Very nice. I am sure it will do great.
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/15/23
Brux 7 twist spout heading off to Kali. Now to buy up some 88's.....
Posted By: 65BR Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/15/23
K7 - nice. I know years back I mentioned a '22-CM' after the 6.5 and later 6 came out. With heavy for cal bullets, the only downside I see for deer/hog sized game and under, is bore life. Recoil should be minimal, and case life should be much better than say an OEM 22/250 and Swift.
Posted By: nimrod1949 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/15/23
Originally Posted by Kimber7man
Brux 7 twist spout heading off to Kali. Now to buy up some 88's.....
You’re going to love it.

Midsouth has been good to me for 88s

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....24-diameter-88-grain-eld-match-250-count
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/16/23
Thanks.
I went with Red River Reloading and bought the big box. Works out to just about $0.22/bullet... Now I'm set for a goodly spell...
Posted By: 6MMWASP Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/16/23
And I was about to send you a message that I could send you some.
Posted By: nimrod1949 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/16/23
Originally Posted by Kimber7man
Thanks.
I went with Red River Reloading and bought the big box. Works out to just about $0.22/bullet... Now I'm set for a goodly spell...


Good deal. I'll have to check them out!
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/17/23
Originally Posted by 6MMWASP
And I was about to send you a message that I could send you some.

Thanks for the thought, Mike!
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/17/23
Suggestions on freebore and neck? Smith suggested a .259 neck in case I want to neck down Lapua 6 creed brass - what's the thickness of the Alpha? 0.100 freebore good for the 88's?
Posted By: Reloder28 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/22/23
Without starting another thread & since we are on the subject, I am not as versed on twists as I could be. The barrel I intend to purchase is a 7.5" twist. The only reference I have is my old Ruger 77, tang safety in 220 Swift. While I do not know what the twist rate it was, It shot commercial Norma 55gr ammo into one ragged hole. Based upon the performance of that round on Texas Whitetail's I was thinking I'd like to stay in that bullet weight range as opposed to tailoring the barrel to a specific bullet weight. I have no idea going into it. The thought of 60's sounds like a great prospect listening to y'all discuss it. I would not mind 50's either. Again, any input is appreciated.
Posted By: Idaho_Shooter Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/23/23
Your old Ruger is (99% sure) a 14 inch twist. It will stabilize everything up to and including most 60 gr bullets with the exception of polymer tipped 60 gr or monometal bullets.

I shot thousands of the Hornady 60 gr spire point from a couple of 22-250 rifles with the standard for the day 14 inch twist. I killed my first deer with that bullet.

If you never intend to shoot a heavier bullet than a 60 gr, then a 12 inch twist barrel will do anything you ever ask.

We used to hear "overstabilization" mentioned occasionally. It is not really a thing, with good bullets. What is a thing, is spinning a soft point bullet so fast that it can come apart. This might be a concern if one attempts to run a 40 gr 22 cal soft point at 4300 fps from a 22 Creed in a 7.5 twist barrel.

If you intend to work with heavy weight bullets like the 75 gr and heavier, then get the 7.5 twist and consider a 60 gr your minimum bullet weight.
Posted By: Reloder28 Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/23/23
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you intend to work with heavy weight bullets like the 75 gr and heavier, then get the 7.5 twist and consider a 60 gr your minimum bullet weight.

Great minds think alike. I had already considered that…..though I know so little.
Posted By: SKane Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/23/23
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
If you intend to work with heavy weight bullets like the 75 gr and heavier, then get the 7.5 twist and consider a 60 gr your minimum bullet weight.

Spot on!

Though if there's any inclination of shooting the 88's (ELD-M), a 1:7 is the better bet.
Posted By: Big Stick Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/23/23
8" will stabilize 88's in my atmosphere at Low Tide...I shoot that RPM in multiple rifles. Hint.................
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/26/23
Kali Kid and I agreed upon .150 freebore, looking forward to it...
Posted By: Big Stick Re: 22 Creedmoor SAAMI - 08/26/23
Nice place to be. Hint.............
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