I am going to have a new rifle built, thinking of a 6.5 CM or a 7mm/08, what ye say. Rifle will be built on a Remington 700 SA platform, rifle will be used for hunting dear out west.

Flip a coin,

heads one choice

tails the other.

Look at the coin.

If you're not happy, then you know which one.

ya!

GWB

Pretty much equivalencies. If you want to be able to use factory ammo, then the Creedmor. If strictly handloading, doesn’t really matter.

I have the 7-08 and love it. Can't imagine life without it. Does everything I ever wanted. Absolutely count me as a fan of the cartridge.

That said - were I to do it over, 6.5 would be my choice likely. When I shoot this barrel out - 6.5 will be the replacement. Easier to get off the shelf ammo as prime concern, even tho I reload and IMO you need to reload to take advantage of the 7-08 and high BC bullets. Just not really available off the shelf.

I happen to be using 162 Amax's in mine. I can get VERY close BCs in the 6.5 with a 143. Faster, lighter etc.

Or exceed with the 147.

Best to have both

I'm with this guy

Depends on what you already have. I'm heavily invested in 308. There isn't enough difference between 308 and 7-08 to own both so 6.5CM was an easy choice for me. I can't see enough difference between 6.5CM and 7-08 to own both of those either.

I do. Both good guns, both SA 700’s.

7-08 with a Hart, Creed with a Shilen, both accurate

I find myself using the 7-08 more, can’t say why, just like it.

Fav 7-08 load now is the 140 SGK, HPBT over Varget. Big Game is about as accurate and faster. The 120 NBT works well, too. Not quite as accurate but close and kills about as well.

Haven’t given the Creed enough attention.

DF

When it comes time to pass this rifle down to a child or to sell it, the wide range of commonly available factory ammo in 6.5 CM might make it more desirable/useful to the next owner.

Load 140gr SGK SP’s in my sons over RL15
He’s killed a bunch of deer and a black bear with it and haven’t caught one yet.

I shoot 120gr NBT’s in my 7-08AI.

You need 270’s, 280’s, 6.5-06’s to support the 7mm-08 and Creed. Probably 308 and 30-06 too

I hear you there.. 338 Feds, 358 Wins, 338-06, Whelens, etc.. They all need support.

You guys making lots of sense, but ya preaching to the choir.

Ha!

DF

If factory ammo the 6.5.

I love my 7mm-08

Agree.

DF

I think I am leaning towards the 6.5CM, thanks for all of the input

Do you give her a running head start? The Creed will require less lead on a moving target. Go Creed.





I’ll show myself out….

If only deer then either will do if out west and hunting elk might want to go with 7-08 and heavier bullets.

I'd go 7mm08. I have 3 of them, one I've had since the 80's has a 20" Douglas bbl on it. The other two have 24" bbls (Lilja and a Krieger) and both shoot close to 2900 FPS with 140 gr Nosler partitions. That equals my 22" .270 velocities.

7-08. I have a 6.5 that I mostly play with. I wanted a soft recoiling, efficient cartridge for practice in the same rifles I hunt with - Kimbers. The 6.5 Creed was the easy button for that equation. But - I've always wanted a 7-08. I have a 308 and there isn't a alot of difference between the two. Before I get chastised - the 7-08 can shoot a bit flatter with higher BC bullets.....

I think of the 7-08 as a short action 270. And the 6.5 as the 243 big brother.

HA! I was thinking the same thing when I read it and let it go.. I was figuring a smart Canook would latch onto it!

For deer, I'd go with a 6.5 for the extra room in the box and the availability of ammo and components.

The 08 line is a way better start to a build on a Rem 700 SA. I have and have built a few, they are very capable of fine performance with a squared, trued action plus an excellent quality, twist and weight barrel.

6.5 CM is a round that should have never been invented. The 6.5x55 was introduced first and some gun freak decided he wanted to use the same bullet and start playing with higher pressures. Only then was the CM introduced. If you want a 7mm, go with a 7x57. If you don't handload, get a 280 REM. Why use a 7-08? Here again : 308 necked down to a 7mm....and why?!

The incredible STUPIDITY of fhuqking Texans and their “knowledge”,never fhuqking disappoints in it’s HILARITY. Hint.

Wow +P+!

Fhuqking LAUGHING!………….

Tell that to the long range target shooting crowd.

Doubt there are many 6.5x55 rifles in the competition games . Same for 7x57.

If one wants a "higher pressure" 6.5 why not go 6.5-06 over either of the Mausers? Actually use a case that's proper for a long action cartridge.

LOL ..... Do you actually believe that? I shoot a 257Roberts and 7x57 and the CM trumps them both. Fits better in SA and comes in modern guns with proper twist bbls.

Did you need a laxative to help pass that load of crap?

Someone's ass HAS to be jealous of the crap that came out of your keyboard.

Don't forget the almighty 284 Win, my personal favorite

What the hey, Its entertainment.......

But I will admit that I am partial to the 7mm-08.










Merkel K1, 7mm-08, 140 gr. Nosler Accubonds



Ditto!






Ditto!



Remington Model 7 Custom Shop, 7mm-08, 150 Gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips.



Nosler M48, 7mm-08, 140 gr. Accubonds



Browning Micro Medallion, 7mm-08, 140 Gr. Nosler Accubonds



Ditto



Ditto, 140 gr. Barnes TSX

ya!


GWB

GW, that spotted deer sure looks to be in good /fat shape. You have nice rifles. Have you ever had a S&B scope ?? My favorite with a German #4. Cheers! Alan

That is an Axis Stag. They are free range Exotics that proliferate in the Texas Hill Country. Axis tend to be heavier than native Hill Country White-Tail Deer. He weighed 184 lbs. live weight. I particularly remember as I managed to load him by myself at a time when I weighed 182.


As to S & B scopes


Yes, four that come to mind.........












I would not mind owning more, but they tend to be scarce at the dollar value I am willing to pay!

ya!


GWB

Both great cartridges; if forced by horrible circumstances to choose just one, it'd be a 7-08.

Sorta in the same boat. With a safe full of rifles the 7-08 gets chosen more than the others for hogs and WT’s.

DF

My 7-08 Montana has been the cause of many very nice rifles going down the road because they just don't get used. It's too hard not to grab the Kimber and I have no interest in owning a bunch of rifles that aren't used.

In 2024, 6.5 Creedmoor makes the most sense. Some may not like it, but the numbers don't lie.

And that's where I sit as well - it's a high bar to pass to kick a Montucky in 7-08 down the road.

GWB, if you don't mind me asking where is this range?








Thanks Deans

Pearland Shooters Club

https://www.pscshootingclub.com/

ya,


GWB

My fav 7-08 is a SA M-700 with a Hart barrel, Rem std sporter contour, put together by Bobby Hart, wearing a Conquest with elevation turret, ballistic tape for the 140 gr. SGK HPBT load. Timney trigger.

McM Hunter's Edge was glassed, fitted, bolt handle slot filled and cut to carefully fit bolt handle. I got it unpainted, sent it back for paint after doing all that work.

Would be the last one to go. And, I have a very nice Creed with Shilen barrel in a McWoody with Conquest.

DF

Why not a 7mm Creedmoor? Move the shoulder a scooch further out so there’s no crush fit chambering in a 6.5 and have at it.

6.5 Creed!

If you shoot at a public range all the 6.5 brass you could ever use is free along with .308 and.223.

Hip

Good point.

And the Creed is king for a non reloader.

As a reloader I prefer the 7-08. If I wasn’t, the Creed would win out.

Both work well.

DF

7-08 would be my first choice if hand loading. If you’re interested in shooting the heavier bullets, you’d do well to do homework on mag length options to accommodate. 6.5 Creed is the easy button. Really no wrong choice though.

You could make a lot of 7-08 brass out of that free .308 brass.

Not agreeing, but heard one guy say the 7-08 was the .308 with the “suck” squeezed out.

I like my .308, too. It’s a Kimber Classic with 5C Broughton barrel. Just don’t use it as much. OEM barrel was a bust, shoots great with replacement.

DF

Don't lean to much you might fall over LOL. I love the 7MM-08 have two of them.

7 mm-08 and the 6.5 Creedmoor are both excellent cartridges , my vote would be for a 7mm-08 mainly because i built a custom Remington 700 action/ rifle in 7mm-08 5 - 10 years before anyone ever manufactured any rifles or ammo for this fine cartridge . the main reason i chambered a rifle to 7 mm-08 is i had so much once fired brass in 308 WIN. and in those days new 308 Win. brass was cheap to buy also .another shooter i knew Carl Gustason chambered his rifle in 25 caliber - 08 and called it 25 X his rifle was very accurate too but the chambering never did become a standard rifle cartridge as did a 7mm-08.

Has anyone run the data on how these two compare with heavy for caliber bullets in shorter barrel lengths? I’ve been meaning to sit down and put it into a program, but haven’t gotten to it yet.

I had a 6.5 Creed in a Savage Mod. 16 Weather Warrior. The rifle shot fine but was balky feeding which I attribute to the sharp shoulder angle. For that reason and the fact that the 7/08 would do what I need and is a proven round I would choose the 7/08.

Most of the cartridges based on the .308W are pretty good on accuracy. If you want a 6.5 maybe try the .260 Remington.

I doubt it. I’ve had several rifles chambered in 6.5 CM, and they’ve all fed smoothly and reliably, despite the shoulder.

I would say the feeding issues was from the gun alone. Just like the RAR's feed like schidt. Not because of what they are chambered for, but because they just feed like crap. I've seen that with some of my friends Savages with cheap mags, Tc Ventures, and other dollar store rifles. Its the nature of the cheap rifle beast. I've had Sako's, Tikka's (T3x and CTR's), and AR10's chambered for the 6.5 Creedmoor, and they fed flawlessly.

I have two different Americans. The 350L feeds from a steel dura mag and the 5.56 has the pmag. Both feed fine. Better to be lucky than good I suppose.

The Savage 16 Weather Warrior isn't exactly a cheap poorly made rifle. I have owned 2 different .308Ws and a .270 that fed and chambered just fine. It's not an expensive rifle compared to some but they are well made and accurate. It's understood my case was a sample of one. With disclosure I sold it to a lady deer hunter and it burned up in a house fire.

For me it would come down to what projectile I wanted to build around. 147 vs 180?

Haaaaahahahahahaaaaa

I love my 7mm08, whether using 120gr NBTs, 140gr of various flavours or even Federal Blue box 150gr. That said, I'm seriously considering adding a 6.5 CM as well as the contrarian in me wants it because of all the hate it gets...
Flip a coin and get either and doubt you will be disappointed. Or, as wiser men than me have already suggested, get both!

Same here. Out of 3 safes full of rifles, the 7-08 Montana gets the nod for everything. It'll be hunting Canada moose this year in Alberta.

Sharper shouldered, shorter cases generally may not feed as slick as sleeker, longer cases.

My Creed is on a SA M-700. It feeds great.

That may be a Salvage thing, not known to be the slickest. But even with barrel tool marks seen thru a good borescope, they tend to be pretty accurate.

I don’t have one, not in the market for one.

DF